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Sean Stone

That's what I grew up with.

Danny Jones

Yeah. That's how I. That's how I got into all this stuff. I mean, regardless of school, which I didn't pay attention to. Yeah, yeah.

Sean Stone

I mean, that was kind of. Kind of my. My experience of, you know, talking, you know, my. My conversations with him back in the 90s, because he loves history and, you know, he would encourage me and he'd have, like, you know, William Blum's book about the CIA and, you know, Black Ops, that kind. That kind of stuff. And I would read it. And we traveled the world, too. We went to, like, in 2000, we went to Serbia and Kosovo and saw, you know, the. The aftermath of the US bombing of Belgrade and the war there. And then 2001, we went to Israel and West Bank. My dad was trying to interview Arafat for a documentary he was doing called Persona Non Grata. And so I was with him when he was interviewing Netanyahu and Peres and Barak. And we went and talked to some guys from Hamas. We interviewed Al Aqsa Martyr Brigade guys there. They had to. We were in Rama on the west bank and they had to literally, like, put us in a black van, so we didn't know where we were. Drive us into the city going blindfolded. You know, the guys wore masks during the interview. Like, you know, we had so stuff like that, you know, that was part of my education as a kid.

Danny Jones

Wow, dude. What a crazy experience for you. What were you in your, like, your early 20s back then?

Sean Stone

I was 16.

Danny Jones

16 years old. Doing this shit with your dad.

Sean Stone

It was 2002. Sorry, that was right after nine. Eleven. Yeah. Holy shit, dude.

Danny Jones

What a wild upbringing.

Sean Stone

Yeah. Yeah.

Danny Jones

What, like a way to shape your view of the world, like, so early in life.

Sean Stone

Like, it gave me a lot of perspective, you know, a lot of contrast when you travel. Because I was, you know, I grew up traveling, you know, at six months we were in Mexico, doing Salvador. A year we were doing Platoon in the Philippines. Two years doing two years old doing Wall street in New York. Three was like talk radio and born on the fourth of July, which was Dallas and back to Philippines. So, you know, and it's like five was five, six was the Doors, seven was jfk. So it's like. Yeah, I mean, I was being formed by a lot of political films, right. And stories that were counter to the mainstream narrative. So by the time I was like 16 in high school, I was writing my thesis paper on like this was right after 9, 11, I was writing my thesis paper on how our policy was actually fomenting Islamic terrorism. Wow, that was like in senior, like a senior senior in high school, not even in college. Like how our foreign policy was like overthrowing, you know, not. It was overthrowing nationalists and promoting like the Muslim Brotherhood type of groups, you know, which is really what, you know, what still was going on all the way through, like, you know, through ISIS and the overthrow of Gaddafi and Libya. I mean it's always been that policy. It's been like overthrow anyone that's a nationalist, that's like pro sovereignty and a strong leader. You know, Nasser was one of the prime examples. You know, it's like, let's foment the Muslim Brotherhood against Nasser back in the 50s and 60s. And all of a sudden the Muslim Brotherhood becomes this terrorist network that, you know, to this day I would say it's still terroristic and it's its orientation, but it's. You know, people don't. People think that this is like, that this is some kind of Islamic thing and it's like, yeah, I mean it has Islamic elements, but Islam is a very vast religion. You know, people don't even realize the biggest Islamic country in the world is. Well, the most Muslims in the world are in India. And the biggest Islamic country in the world is Indonesia. So there's not many terrorists coming out of the biggest country in the world. You know, they're mostly peaceful people. It's like. But you get these groups that are oriented towards jihad, but a lot of them are like operating under the auspices of us, British, Israeli intelligence, oftentimes working with Saudis, Pakistani intelligence, whatnot. You know, kind of like the Taliban and the pre Taliban, the Mujahideen in the 80s when we were supporting them in Afghanistan back in the 80s.

Danny Jones

So it's like we were working with Bin Laden.

Sean Stone

We foment the terrorists.

Danny Jones

Yeah.

Sean Stone

We allow them. We work with them, We Then use them in Bosnia or in other countries where it suits us.

Danny Jones

And we discard them when they're no longer valuable to us.

Sean Stone

I don't know if we ever discard them.

Danny Jones

Well, we discarded bin Laden, right? Allegedly. You think bin Laden's still alive?

Sean Stone

I don't know who bin Laden is.

Danny Jones

What do you mean you don't know who bin Laden is?

Sean Stone

Do you remember with Oswald and the Kennedy assassination, there were multiple Oswalds. People spotted and had, like, seen different Oswalds. He was. He was basically CIA, right? It was. It was either. It was probably. Probably initially like Naval intelligence, because he came out of the Marines. He was a Marine.

Danny Jones

Yeah.

Sean Stone

But, you know, he gets. He goes over to Russia, he defects to Russia, goes to Russia, marries a Russian daughter of like, a military man, like a general or something, comes back to the U.S. you don't think he's working for intelligence the entire time. And if he's not working for intelligence, he's being monitored by intelligence the entire time. So before the assassination, and this is in the film, like the film JFK gets into it, it's like there are multiple spottings of Oswald, but it doesn't look. It doesn't look the same as Oswald. It's like a second Oswald. Because the. The locations don't match up. They've got like a guy at the gun range who's like, firing, like. Who's like shooting it, like. And he's like, ah, I wish it was that sucker Kennedy. You know, that kind of shit. He's like, saying stuff to draw attention. So it gives you the indication that Oswald was like. They were already basically having like, multiple Oswald sightings so that you can potentially use him as a patsy later. And with bin Laden, I feel like, you know, he was CIA in the. At some point between the 80s and 90s, some people saw him as Tim Osman. You ever heard that name?

Danny Jones

Sounds familiar.

Sean Stone

Yeah, there was. They basically like people like Michael Ricons and Shudo, who was like a fascinating guy working with intel. He went to prison for a while, but he met Tim Osman and he's like, yeah, that's all that was, Osama bin Laden, but his CIA name was Osman. And he was like, over here at different points working with, you know, training or let's say working with our intel communities. So I don't know who bin Laden is. I don't know if it's like what was killed was just one of the dummies or, you know, or just some guy that they said was bin Laden, but I think it's Just an intelligence.

Danny Jones

I always thought the story of him being dumped off the ship was very odd.

Sean Stone

Yeah, let's kill the most, like, wanted guy in the world and dump his body so no one can actually identify it.

Danny Jones

Yeah, all the. All the answers I've been given to that question, when I've asked it never seem to add up. Like, yeah, why are you questioning this? No one cares. You know, who cares? We had. We had pictures. We. No one wanted to. We didn't want to provoke them anymore. We wanted to give them a proper burial or whatever.

Sean Stone

Yeah, now the whole thing reeks. And then even like the whole dipping of like, then in the story is that now people are circulating that he was actually being protected by the Iranians before he went to Pakistan. And you just. It's, you know, it's like, it's. It's one of those things where it's the boogeyman, you know, whenever you. Whatever the intel community wants to create a boogeyman, you know, you need these type. Type of things, you know, like. Yeah, like ISIS or whatnot. Right. And some of those guys were, you know, were in our prisons, for example. Right. We're in some of those guys in our prisons during the Iraq war. Then they get released and they pop up. And the main guy I remember, I can't remember which one is the head of the isis. People were saying, like, yeah, he was spotted with John McCain when McCain went over, right? And he, like, he was seen with this guy in photos, and then all of a sudden he becomes the head of isis. So again, it become. It's like, I always put it like this, terrorism, just like gangs, just like drugs is not like some foreign thing. It's all under the nose of enforcement, law enforcement, police. You know, it's like any neighborhood, right, the police know who the gangsters are. Same with the intel community, you know, and when they want someone to operate, as in London, for example, they wrote a whole book, Londonistan. The British are letting all these Muslims come in. It's like they're running them, you know, they're basically letting this. These clerics who are proselytizing for jihad and whatnot, they let them operate under their noses because that's how you. Either they're on the payroll or they're being monitored because they want to foment radical Islam. Because, you know, you need an enemy.

Danny Jones

Because you need an enemy.

Sean Stone

Well, yeah, I mean, there was like a report from Iron Mountain that people don't know to this day, like, if it was a real report or not. But it's pretty interesting to read it. You can find online. And one of the great quotes is that the unifying, it's like what is it? The unifying ethos? No, like the unifying ethos of a society essentially is for war. The unifying, like it's what unifies a society is war. So ever since 47, the US takes over as basically the superpower of the world. We create the national security state. That's what we are. It's a national security state. You gotta justify having a total surveillance society, having a society devoted to overthrowing governments, which we've done over 70, 70 plus coups and operations in countries all over the world. You need to have a bad guy, you need to have a villain. And the Soviets played that role for you know, what, 50 years roughly. And then at the time that the Soviet Union was collapsing, around the time of, you know, 70s and 80s, you have the arc of crisis. That was Huntington Brzeginski in like within Carter's. They became part of Carter's administration essentially. But these are like trilateral Commission guys and they're promoting the idea of what Huntington called the clash of civilizations. So basically everyone can be turned against each other. And there's nothing like once you, once you lose the communist threat, it became more cultural and religious. And his whole thing was like, there are these countries that are fault lines, like Yugoslavia, which basically starts to get blown up by the 80s and 90s, right? And that's like Yugoslavia is a country that has Slavs, Croatians, Slovaks, I mean it has different ethnicities, but it also has religions. It has Catholics, East Orthodox, Muslims. And one of the easiest things to foment is Islam versus the West. So countries like Lebanon get blown up. Countries like Yugoslavia in, in Afghanistan, it's, it's working with the Muslims against, against the Communists. In Iran we foment, we essentially back Khomeini to take over against the secular regime. As I said, that's been a strategy going back to the middle always. The British in the Middle east have always played this kind of hand. So the Shah gets overthrown and you get a Muslim Shia fanatics who are pitted against the Sunnis in Arabia and the rest of the Middle east, you see. So like everywhere you go, because we

Danny Jones

thought that they would be able to deal with Saddam Hussein's people.

Sean Stone

It's a balance.

Danny Jones

And it completely didn't work at all.

Sean Stone

It worked for a bloody war. I mean we supported, we, we gave the chemical, biological arms, all kinds of stuff to Saddam to fight Iran. For eight bloody years of conflict, probably million, what, millions of people died in that war. And then at the end of the war, we turn around and we say, okay, Saddam, we're going to check your military power.

Danny Jones

I just had Scott Horton in here. Tell me the whole story about this guy named Chelabi who like sold us the curveball.

Sean Stone

Yeah. What's he called? Curveball Chalabi.

Danny Jones

Yeah, yeah. Some like two bit con man who was trying to, they were going to

Sean Stone

prop him up at one point is to be like the new president of Iraq when they overthrow Saddam. But I don't think that was ever a real plan. I think that was just being like proposed as a possibility. The same way like we're talking about putting Pahlavi back in, in Iran. There's not like, there's not a, that's not a realistic play. You're not going to bring some guy from outside to like John Karriaku said

Danny Jones

he wouldn't survive the walk from the plane from the tarmac to the terminal.

Sean Stone

Pahlavi.

Danny Jones

Yeah. When he, when he got back. When he, if he makes it back to Iran. Yeah, he won't survive. He won't even make it out of the airport alive.

Sean Stone

Yeah. I mean, look, I mean, the Iranians, I mean, a lot of these guys are much more like pro Iran than I am. I'm not like pro regime. I don't like the Islamic Republic. I wish we would go back to a more secular rule in that country and frankly in the world. I mean. But the point is that since the 70s and 80s, we've been fomenting along with British, the British intelligence groups, the Israelis, we've been fomenting these conflicts because as I said, it's the easiest way to create conflict is to, is to go around religious fault lines. You know, it's like. And then, you know, even now, I mean, to this day, like, we've got cartels and things operating and people are more freaked out about Islam in America than they are about the cartels. It's pretty crazy.

Danny Jones

Running around in our forests.

Sean Stone

Yeah, it's pretty crazy.

Danny Jones

California, it's pretty crazy.

Sean Stone

You know, and it's like in Texas, they're more like, they're not waging a war on the cartels. They're more freaked out by Islamics who are like less than 5% of the population. Right. You know, because religion is just so easy to get people on that fear.

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Sean Stone

Yeah.

Danny Jones

And then when you talk to somebody like Beck who is explaining like, no, it's not, it's more compatible than with Christianity, than Judaism, of course. And you know, these, it's been hijacked this narrative. They, they, you took this narrative and they hijacked Islam to paint this narrative to Americans to make us fear.

Sean Stone

Yeah, well, I mean, just go to the essence to me, like the main point is that Muslims honor Jesus as essentially as a messiah. He's basically born, he's Born of a virgin, they honor the Virgin Mary. I mean you read the Quran, the Quran is all the story of Abraham, the story of Moses, the story of the Jewish prophets. Right. So it's basically the Old Testament.

Danny Jones

I've never read any of it.

Sean Stone

Yeah, I mean that's not all of it, but most of it is like derived from the Old Testament stories. And a lot of really just, it's like Old Testament meets New Testament. It reminds me of like the Aryan heresy or one of these heresies that occurred in early Christianity. Basically before the Catholic church had codified with like Nicaea and whatnot, had codified the religion, there were various sects that were like, I think there were like the Arians and others that basically saw Christ as a divine emissary. But they wouldn't say Christ is God. They'd be like, you're a divine emissary, you know, but you're God cannot be like you, you can't be God and God is the creator of all and you know, like you're an extension.

Danny Jones

Couldn't be capital G God.

Sean Stone

Yeah, it gets confusing. It's like we're all God's children, but Christ is the special one. I mean it gets like. So they kind of ignored all that to say like, no, Christ is a divine emissary, he's able to work miracles, he has the Holy Spirit, he's of a virgin. But because of that mentality, I think the Muslims basically took that, that, that theology and that's why Islam honors Jesus. Now obviously there's like, I told you, like Indonesia is the biggest Muslim country in the world population wise. Almost 200 million Muslims majority, you know, are not jihadists. Majority in fact like one of the, probably one of the more peaceful societies. And then you get, you know, like the Muslims of the modern like of the Middle east, that a lot of them are Arabic. And it's a different cultural thing, you know, like anything like you talk about, people think the. Okay, like the hijab.

Danny Jones

Yeah.

Sean Stone

I mean first of all, like why you guys freaked out about hijab? Nuns do the same thing. It's, it's like a spiritual, It's a spiritual, it's a spiritual practice. Now I don't agree with forcing women to wear a hijab like Iran was doing. Apparently they've laid off now. Like I don't think you should force someone to. But the idea of wearing a hijab shouldn't be something scary considering that it's obviously goes back for a reason. The nuns do that for a reason. They also cover their hair for a reason. That goes back to that tradition in that region. You know, the Jews do as well. The Orthodox Jews do the same. Like, as far as covering the, you know, the headscarves and things like this. This has to do with, like, regional traditions. And then you get, like, the veil, which, you know, again, is more of. To me, to my understanding, it's more of, like, a traditional thing going back to, like, desert Bedouin type of peoples, you know.

Danny Jones

Now, when it comes to things like imprisoning people for converting from Islam to Christianity, is that, like, only in Iran or is that. Is only a. A Shia thing?

Sean Stone

No, I mean, look, technically. Technically, conversion. Well, there's a couple things. I mean, one, there's supposed to be no compulsion in religion. That's in the Quran. There should be no compulsion in religion. So the fact that any society is operating on this religious compulsion thing is to it. To me, it's like, it's wrong and it's. Again, it's used for power. But as far as conversion, like, yes, if you leave Islam, yeah, you can be punished for that, which I also think is. It's wrong.

Danny Jones

Is that in the Quran, do you know?

Sean Stone

I think it's in the Quran. It's either Quran or Hadith. So I. But either way, I don't think it's the right approach. You know, I don't think that these things. You know, again, there's different. There's different extremes when it comes to Islamic interpretation. And that's why I'm saying, like, so much of the conflict that we have seems to be. It's not all of us all coming from the West. But I'm saying that we have literally worked to promote Islamic extremism. I mean, you go back to, like, the British in the region. The British put the Saudis, which were a Wahhabist, more extreme version of Islam. They put the Saudis in control of Arabia. That was supposed to go, remember in Lawrence of Arabia, the movie, they gotta go into some of this politics of, like, the different tribes and then the Hashemite, who is played by Alec Guinness, I believe in the film, instead of getting Arabia, which was what he expected, they gave him Jordan and, like, basically Transjordan. And what was like then, like, you know, Palestine. So a lot of this is just like empires coming in, carving stuff up and then saying, okay, you know, we're giving Israel to the Jews. We're giving, you know, Syria, Lebanon to the French. Palestine was being overseen by the British.

Danny Jones

Yeah.

Sean Stone

So again, it's like all this Kind of gerrymandering, right, Going on.

Danny Jones

Yeah. Well, one of my friends actually sent me this video on Instagram. I'm gonna send this to you, Steve. You can play this. And it was. It was showing how, like, less than three years after World War II ended, that Israel was poisoning waterways and villages with typhoid. And like. Like, it's just so crazy that the people who just got done having this stuff done to them turn around that fast and immediately start doing it to other people.

Sean Stone

People have. If people are interested. I mean, people have heard about the Nakba, essentially the expulsion of the Palestinians or the local Muslims from, you know, from it. From what was then Israel.

Danny Jones

Right.

Sean Stone

It was planned. Dalet was the operation. And there's been some very good books written about historical. You know, based on historical documents and evidence about the expulsion. And it was done, you know, sometimes execution and murder, but mostly it was done by things like that, poisoning of wells, driving people from their villages. And, you know, there's a lot of grievance around that. That's why, you know, it's like, I don't agree with Hamas saying, you know, let's exterminate Israel. And Iran. Having that ideology is very dangerous. It's destabilizing for the region. But the truth is, you know, Iran is currently destabilizing the region, but Israel is also, you know, has been a destabilizing force since its inception because it was based on, you know, on a conquest, on a war, which, unlike most wars, the refugees didn't have a right to return. And that's what people don't understand. That's what's different. Most war, if based on conquest, the refugees have a right to return. Israel can't give them the right to return because then they will become a minority. The Jews will become a minority in their own country. So they will not give the expelled. The expelled Palestinians the right to return to their. Their villages, their. Their land, you know, their olive garden, olive trees, all that they had basically cultivated for hundreds, if not thousands of years. And that's why this war is so entrenched in that region. We've been entrenched in quagmire from. Since 48, essentially.

Danny Jones

Yeah. Tim Dillon had a great bit on his episode the other day. He was explaining how America is Carmela from the Sopranos, and Israel is Tony Soprano. And we're meeting with the shrink, trying to explain like, he's cheating on me. He has all of these broads that he's banging, and all I do is do his laundry. And that's how it was hilarious. But, like, we are. We're Carmela from the Sopranos.

Sean Stone

You know, I never watched. I never got into that show. I'm not a big, like. I don't know. I was never that much into, like, the gangster culture. I love Godfather, but to me, it was more a story of family, you know, than gangsterism.

Danny Jones

Yeah, no, yeah, it was just a. It was just a classic show. But the gangster. I mean, the Mafia stuff has been, like, a integral part of the history of. Of this country, you know, and like the special ops stuff and all the COVID ops. I. Even jfk, I mean, there's a huge, like, Mafia involvement in all that stuff, which is crazy.

Sean Stone

Somebody, you know, an old. He's. He's from one of those families. He told me. He said, look, the Mafia were basically started descent, being sent here by what he called the Illuminati. And the Illuminati are like. His way of understanding is like the old banking families of Europe, like, the real. You know, the real owners of Europe. Right. And it was basically about collecting on finance, like they were investing in America and the mob, especially, like the Sicilian type, you know, Mafia whatnot. Like, they were enforcers to make sure that the. The labor unions weren't getting out of control. Because that's what the mob does. They control unions. Right, yeah. To make sure that the labor wasn't getting out of control. That. To ensure that, yeah, productivity continued. And that's, you know, basically that the debts got paid. And then by the 60s. So. Yeah. You mentioned Kennedy. So, like, Kennedy. Kennedy family. Joe Kennedy. I mean, apparently they were working, you know, with bootleggers, which mob. Which basically mob elements. Right. Bootlegging. Back in the 20s when alcohol was illegal. And then. So, you know, basically Joe Kennedy and company were like, you know, asking for the support of the Mafia, Giancana, people like that. When JFK ran, even though RFK had been this watchdog on, you know, when he was. Rfk, was at the Justice Department. Yeah, right. And he was. I think. Who did he expel? He didn't send Giancana. He sent one of those guys down to, like, Guatemala, Honduras or Venezuela or something, you know, like, deported him. So, you know, basically they. You know, he was. I mean, he obviously went after Hoffa and whatnot. But, you know, there was a lot of betrayal from the mob because JFK basically reneged. He didn't. He didn't take Cuba back. You know, he. JFK came in, he allowed. I get into this in my RFK legacy documentary. JFK as president, basically like, you know, he comes in, he allows Dulles, who's running the CIA, to run this operation to try to, you know, send what, like a thousand guys into Cuba to overthrow Castro, right? It was a joke. I mean, it was basically Dulles knew the operation was never going to work with a few, you know, a thousand guys. It was, the intention was to, they

Danny Jones

needed air support, right? And he canceled that last month.

Sean Stone

It wasn't just that. It was like, the intention really was, it was almost like a give me, you know, give me an inch and take a mile. Dulles wanted Kennedy to commit. He felt like if he would do air support and then anything, basically he would then escalate. The intention was let me start with a small invasion and then rather than have egg on my face for this debacle, commit the US army to go in and overthrow Castro. That was Dulles intention. And JFK was too smart. He said no, that's it. So he pulled, he actually allowed the airstrikes. It was some kind of delay. There was a mistake, it was a miscommunication. The airstrikes didn't get there on time. But Kennedy realized what they were trying to do. They were trying to bait him, his own intelligence community. And rather than get baited into a full on invasion, US invasion, he said, no, we're not. And obviously the, the Cubans were pissed they didn't overthrow Castro, but the Mafia was pissed too because those were their casinos in Cuba, right? And like they want, you know, they wanted the island back. So, so everyone hated JFK at that point. And anyway, so the mob was certainly an element in the assassination, but I don't think that they were the controlling element necessarily.

Danny Jones

What is your 30,000 foot, mile high view of the JFK thing? What do you think that was? Do you think there's, do you think there's any simple way to distill what that was about or do you think it's just too much of a hornet's nest?

Sean Stone

No, it's not just a hornet. I think it's a gateway drug. I think everyone should look at it.

Danny Jones

There's so many flavors of it.

Sean Stone

Everyone should get high on it.

Danny Jones

Yeah, and I agree.

Sean Stone

You start opening up that, that portal and you look at a lot of things, you look at the relationship of CIA with mafia and how we, how entwined, entangled they were in that whole again the dynamic of power essentially and the nature of power in America. So you've got CIA, Mafia relationships, you've got the military industrial complex, the Pentagon and all that, wanting Kennedy to commit to war in Vietnam, which, you know, they're like, look, if Kennedy won't even overthrow Castro, who's like 90 miles away. And he, you know, he clearly has said he doesn't see the Vietnam civil war. It was North Vietnam and South Vietnam at the time. He doesn't see us supporting South Vietnam with too many troops. They had a certain number of advisors at that point, a few thousand troops, like more Special Forces types. But Kennedy was like, it's a civil war. You know, they got to figure it out for themselves. So he was never going to commit to, like, a full war in Vietnam the way that Johnson did. You've got the Federal Reserve bankers. Kennedy, he did transition US in 62 to issuing currency from the treasury for the first time. So some of the money being issued in 62 was actually from our Treasury. And there was an executive order based on his relationship with Indonesia. That was Sukarno at the time, because of the gold that they were going to basically use. The gold, I think, from Indonesia. This goes back to World War II gold that the Japanese had stolen. There's a whole story around that, that we got our hands on it. But essentially, Kennedy was going to use the gold to back dollars coming out of the Treasury. And there was, at that, 62, some money issued for the treasury for the first time since Lincoln had done it. Oh, wow. So bypassing the Federal Reserve, which. All our money comes from the Federal Reserve, it's all issued with interest as a loan from the Fed. All of our debt. So it actually starts with debt owed to the interest owed to the Federal Reserve. So that's a private bank. Anyway, so the point being Kennedy was interested in bypassing that and bringing it back to constitutional money, which is gold and silver. It's only constitutional money, and it's only. All currency is supposed to be issued from the treasury, not from a private bank.

Danny Jones

Interesting.

Sean Stone

So there's that. There's the alien question, because Kennedy was interested in the UFOs and the little men or whatever they had discovered. And there's some pillow talk at one point I read. I mean, it was like him and Marilyn, like, notes from, like, an FBI or whatnot. FBI? I think it was an FBI.

Danny Jones

Marilyn Monroe.

Sean Stone

Yeah, it was like an FBI transcript of their conversation and Kennedy mentioning to her, like, what do you think? Should I disclose? Could I disclose that there's these beings, essentially alien life on Earth. So there's that component. Well, he mentioned it. They were being monitored. You know, FBI was monitoring their convos Engleton, probably from CIA, was probably monitoring. I mean everyone was curious obviously what the President says and knows. So there's all these different elements to the Kennedy assassination. When you start like looking at it going, who killed him? Because it's such a plot that you imagine that everyone wanted, everyone wanted him dead. Everyone was happy to see him go. Right.

Danny Jones

There's lots of motives.

Sean Stone

Yeah. So that's why, you know, when you read stuff like, you know, from people who say that they were there and you get like mafia hitman and you've got people like Howard Hunt who confessed on his deathbed to his son that he was there and yeah, I mean various CIA operatives, you know, but the question of who organized it, there's been some suspicion about various CIA guys that were running it and ultimately was Allen Dulles the controller or could it have been outsourced to foreign power? I mean, I think without like having direct knowledge, you know, of who gave the command, it's very difficult to speculate.

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Sean Stone

I don't know if he did it with Timothy, but Timothy gave me lsd. It was Mary. It was. She was married to a CIA guy.

Danny Jones

Mary Meyer.

Sean Stone

Mary Meyer. Mary Pinchot Meyer, was it? Pinchot.

Danny Jones

Pinchot, yeah.

Sean Stone

Yeah. But she was married to Cord Meyer, who was one of these CIA operations guys. Yeah, that was.

Danny Jones

And she was whacked after this, right?

Sean Stone

She got killed.

Danny Jones

Didn't she get killed, like out on a jog or something?

Sean Stone

Yes, she was jogging or walking, jogging in D.C. area, and someone came up and killed her. Again, she knew too much. So, yeah, I think. And Cord died too. He killed himself, I think. But he was one of these guys that was operating, you know, overthrowing people, you know, overthrowing Mosaddegh in Iran and, you know, Arbenz in Guatemala. Like, you know, he was operational with CIA. But as far as another element, speaking of drugs was, this is my friend who's like, again, like from one of the mafia families. He said that the mob was moving to really push drugs big time. By the 60s, right? That was gonna be, as we saw, like the explosion. And the first, it was, well, cocaine to a certain extent, but heroin and then Coke and crack, right. 70s into the 80s, talking heroin, coke and crack became like the big drug in the U.S. and that was the Mafia was. Do you remember, like in Godfather, the first one, when they're having that conversation and they're basically like, we don't, you know, we can't start selling heroin and drugs. We can't start selling drugs basically to our communities. Like, only the blacks will take it, remember? Right, yeah, they're like, yeah, the blacks will take it. We don't have to worry about it. And it's like, I don't know, like, once you start bringing it, it's going to destroy us. And that was why there's a falling out. And that was true. That was a real falling out in the Mafia, like Genovese and people like that were like, big into the heroin trafficking. And that was again, CIA Mafia connection going back. So again, you've got like the. The Marseille, you know, Corsican connection, right? But you've also got huge pipe, you know, basically a huge market from Vietnam, which is why they wanted the golden triangle, heroin. And that becomes, then, you know, a major export during the Vietnam War is. Is. Yeah, is heroin, opium, all that stuff, right? And yeah, so again, if Kennedy doesn't. If Kennedy doesn't commit to the Vietnam War, it's going to be harder to get that easy access, that cheap access. To the, to the heroin. And then thereafter also they were already looking at South America, Bolivia and places like this for the cocaine. So it was already strategized that the drugs were gonna play a huge role in the international black. Like black ops and black fine. Like financing shit, black finance. Off books financing. Right. You want off books? Money talk, you know, Guns, drugs, human trafficking. I would say probably the three biggest.

Danny Jones

Yeah. And so I had. Are you familiar with John Newman?

Sean Stone

Sounds familiar.

Danny Jones

John Newman wrote like, I don't know how many JFK books. At least. At least two dozen JFK books. And I believe he was a consultant on the first JFK film that you got, your dad did. And he's been writing stuff ever since. He's old dude, he works at. Older guy, works at George Washington. So he's somewhere up there, one of those schools up there. And he was basically telling me when he was on here that his whole view of the whole Kennedy thing was that it was a military coup and that like all the Joint Chiefs were conspiring against him, including like Lemitzer and Taylor. And so essentially his view is it was a military coup and the CIA was just the COVID up. And one of the smoking gun pieces of evidence he found was he found a CIA cable from the Mexico City desk to Langley or whatever. And what it was was an indication of a flash, an FBI flash stop being taken off Oswald's file the day before Kennedy was shot. And Oswald being a defector and being there, being on that, on the route where the President was. He says Oswald being on that route is the equivalence to a flea being at a Lysol convention with all of the. Everyone that was watching him 24 7.

Sean Stone

Yeah.

Danny Jones

So the fact that the CIA acknowledged that his FBI flash stop was being taken off of his file the day before is extremely suspicious. So he got a hold of the, of the CIA officer who was the one who signed off on that cable, that CIA cable. And he went and interviewed her before she died.

Sean Stone

Yeah.

Danny Jones

And I forget exactly what his response, what her response was to him, but she was basically. She basically said. He goes, what's this? What's this mean?

Sean Stone

Yeah.

Danny Jones

And she's like, this is very indicative of something that they didn't want anyone to know about, that they're keeping very close to the chest. That's all I'll say.

Sean Stone

Yeah, well, I mean, it wasn't official. I mean, it wasn't like at the time. Who was it? McCollen was the head of the CIA and he'd been appointed by Kennedy So it wasn't like official CIA. We're talking David Harvey guy. David Harvey was one of the guys that hated the Kennedy brothers. And he came back from. I think he was in Rome. He was stationed in Rome, which would indicate people like Angleton have. James Angleton was in Rome at the end of the Second World War, helping to run the rat lines of the Nazis that we were bringing out of. Out of Germany. Right, right into. Into America and, you know, into South America.

Danny Jones

Yeah.

Sean Stone

And Harvey came back and he was in the US and people like, you know, people are like, why was he, you know, why was he basically in town for that, for this operation? I mean, so there's, there's the, the old boy network, the old OSS network of like Harvey Hunt, people like that. Right. Who basically Dulles, who were around from the World War II days. And that's why I say some of the operational stuff. People have always speculated, like who was, who was Hitler's favorite, favorite SS guy. He's like a. He rescued Mussolini. He's a, he was a. He was a famous SS officer. And he, he got part. He got pulled out from the rat lines as well. And who. Look up who.

Danny Jones

The SS officer who rescued Mussolini.

Sean Stone

And there is some speculation. Scorzani.

Danny Jones

Scorzani.

Sean Stone

There's some speculation like he could have been involved with operationally, like helping to oversee it. You know, it's like former. Yeah, Scorzania is a great character. This guy Scarface, the real Scarface. And so again, you've got, you know, you're so close to the Second World War. You've got like literal, like, you know, real fascists, like real ex Nazis, because remember, that's who was plotting against de Gaulle in France the same time that Kennedy is killed. They've already nearly killed the Gaul multiple times. Remember Day of the Jackal? The book and then the film based on it was all about these various right wing French fascist groups that were trying to take out de Gaulle because he had surrendered Algeria essentially. And they looked at him as a traitor. So the same time that these. So again, it's like this kind of. It's more international than just national, I think is the way that I look at it. Because again, you're the President of the United States. You're having a major impact globally. As I said, drug markets, wars. Wars affect finance, it affects, you name everything. Weapons, oil. I mean, everything is geared, in a sense you could say, since the Second World War, economically. That's why to this day, we spend almost a trillion dollars A year on war between surveillance and security.

Danny Jones

Insane.

Sean Stone

It's literally an organizing principle of the state. And so to your point about the Mexico cable, it reminds me of the man who Knew Too Much, which was a great book by Dick Russell. And that was. Who was the CIA officer in that book? The man who Knew Too Much. He pulls up in a Mexican bank like a week before the assassination, shoots it up and he basically wants to go to jail because he knows that they're gonna kill the President.

Danny Jones

Oh, yes, I remember this. Oh, sorry.

Sean Stone

It's not the man who Knew Too Much. It's. Look up the Dick Russell book. The man who. I thought it was the man who Knew Too Much.

Danny Jones

Man who shoots up bank before Kennedy assassination.

Sean Stone

It's not the man. It is the man who Knew Too Much. You see Richard Case. Nagel. Yeah.

Danny Jones

Yeah. Okay. Former US intelligence officer and CIA contact claimed that the KGB hired him to assassinate Lee Harvey Oswald in order to prevent the JFK assassination.

Sean Stone

Yeah.

Danny Jones

What?

Sean Stone

But he got himself arrested by firing a shot in the Belfast. I was in Texas. Sorry, I thought it was in Mexico. But it's like. I mean, you get stuff like this and you just go, what in the world?

Danny Jones

So people knew there was two months before. That's crazy. Yeah, that's insane.

Sean Stone

Right? It's a great book. It's worth reading. The Men who Too Much.

Danny Jones

There's also another. Another fascinating.

Sean Stone

And Dick Russell ended up working with Rob Reiner on their podcast, which they recently did before Rob got killed, about the JFK assassination. That was like the last thing that Rob did, I think.

Danny Jones

Yeah. There's also that crazy book called Mary's Monkey. Have you heard that one? Yeah, that one's wild too. About all the crazy medical vaccine research with Alton Ohner and Mary Sherman who got incinerated by this Linac machine and they covered up the murder.

Sean Stone

And then like, what explains something I didn't understand when my dad made jfk, he. Remember the, the Dave Ferry character played by Pesci. And he's. He's got cancer and he's dying. He's dying of cancer. And he's also researching. He's got a bunch of mice in his house, like all these lab.

Danny Jones

Right. Lab rats all over.

Sean Stone

Yeah, yeah. And that was because they were doing. They were working with the mice to try to.

Danny Jones

Cancer weapons. Right.

Sean Stone

Well, both to create fast acting cancers and to prevent it. Like how to stop. How to basically create the cancer and to kill the cancer. That's what she was. One of the things that she was working on fire Call.

Danny Jones

Yeah, that is. And that's what. That's the reason that they had that linear accelerator in the. In the basement of that hospital there in New Orleans. And they were basically shooting cancer tumors with that freaking linear accelerator machine and trying to figure out how to like turbocharge it or find out ways to do weapons. And one of the. Part of that story is that when Oswald went to Mexico City, he was bringing vials of that stuff that they had developed in an attempt to go from Mexico over to Cuba to try to get it, to kill Castro with it.

Sean Stone

Well, again, I mean, Oswald's being, you know, he seems to be, you know, working with us, but then they would cheap dip him and make him look like he was pro Castro and. Yeah, but he was. I think he was just an operative, you know, I think he was one of these guys that was just. Probably just saw himself as a soldier, you know, as a good soldier, right to the end. Too bad those notes were destroyed, right? The ones that. That were taken when he was detained in Dallas. You know, the notes that, you know, of the interview, all that's gone. So he was interviewed, remember, before he was killed. It was like two days later. He was killed after the shooting. Yeah.

Danny Jones

So he was interviewed after the shooting, before he was killed.

Sean Stone

Exactly. And those. Those. Those notes are gone. No one. I don't think anyone's seen them. Maybe they. Maybe they were hidden, but they probably.

Danny Jones

Yeah, why haven't we. We were supposed to see the JFK files, right? Didn't Trump say he was going to release all those?

Sean Stone

Well, they have been a lot, but the problem is, like, we don't know if all of it's been revealed, released and then more importantly, like what's. What's. What hasn't been destroyed. I mean, when Richard Helms, who was the director of the CIA when he. When he got fired by Nixon, he went and shredded everything.

Danny Jones

Right.

Sean Stone

And we know. We only know about MK Ultra, right, because of like a few boxes. Like literally.

Danny Jones

So if MK Ultra wasn't in the first box he burned, that must have been like way tamer than all the

Sean Stone

shit he did burn. I mean, could you imagine, like with. They probably destroyed so much about the Kennedy, Oswald, all that stuff.

Danny Jones

Oh yeah, right. Roswell. Yeah. Oh yeah. Dude, there's probably so much crazy that was burned.

Sean Stone

What.

Danny Jones

What do you got, Steve? Oh, this is the transcripts. Yeah. And then I was talking to John Kiriakou a couple days ago and he was telling me that like he has people that he knows, sources that tell him that the reason they won't release the rest of the JFK files is because they point to Israel, and then you have the whole Israel, Israeli angle of it with the nuclear. Nuclear material and all that stuff.

Sean Stone

Well, so, I mean, the motive. Okay, so the. Which, yeah, I mean, there's a good book that kind of gets into the Israeli motive. The Israeli motive. I don't doubt. I don't. I mean, Ben Gurion hated Kennedy.

Danny Jones

Right.

Sean Stone

Kennedy even talked about, you know, basically said, look, you guys should. You should either repatriate the Palestinians who were kicked or forced out by the creation of Israel. You should either bring them home to let them settle, or basically give them some kind of, you know, economic ability to rebuild or, you know, what's called reparation. You know, give them reparation. That's, you know, that's. The Israelis don't want to do that. So there was that component. Then there was also the Israeli nuclear facility, which they lied about. You know, he was. Kennedy was concerned about nuclear proliferation. And so the fact that the Israelis were developing the nuke at that time, they certainly did not want inspection. They did not want. Yeah, they did not want the US to stop them from developing it. So, yeah, I think that there's a motivation. The problem for me is the evidence of who in terms of the people that are pretty clearly involved. Again, even you get Howard Hunt giving his deathbed confession to his son about being in Dallas. It's like, okay, so who are the Israeli operatives? Now, you can look at people like Meyer Lansky, who's Jewish Mafia character, very connected to the Italian mob, partnered with. What was his name, the famous. Who was Lansky's partner in the Mafia? Lucky Luciano, for example. Right. That was Lucky's partner. Right. So Meyer is one of the brains of, you know, the Mafia in America. So certainly someone like him. And he, you know, he, amongst a number of others, were supporting the creation of Israel from the beginning. So, yeah, you have those elements involved, but as far as the actual, like, Israeli ability to kill the president, that's not so much. Well, that's why I just. I don't know. Like, I haven't seen the evidence for it. People say it, but it's like, okay, you can say anything, but present some evidence to show which elements exactly, we're talking about and what their role is in the assassination.

Danny Jones

Yeah, yeah, that makes total sense. I mean, the only ones that would have had the true ability to do it would be the American military. And, you know, with all their connections in the Mafia, in Organized crime and you. And also utilizing foreign people.

Sean Stone

Well, it has. It has to be. I mean, even Secret Service has to be told to stand. Like, you know, when. John. The whole organization of the parade route, the fact that, as you said, like, people like Oswald were working on the parade route and allowed to, you know, allowed to be there. It's like the fact that the motorcade, the convoy, that they didn't have police bikes next to the President. Johnson said to them, oh, the President wants to, you know, don't obstruct, you know, his view of the crowd. So they're told to come back. Johnson wants. He tried to switch it up to get Connolly out of the front seat. Oh, he did, yeah, because Connolly was his buddy. But he couldn't. He couldn't change that. So Connolly ended up getting shot, not killed. There's a moment even on the tarmac when the plane lands, and you can see the video of it where there's one Secret Service guy who's about to go and jump on the side of the President's car, right? There's like a little like a runner on the side running board where the security. The security is supposed to be on that running board. And he's literally. You can see him being called back on the tarmac. No, no, no. He's like, what's going on? He's like. He's like about to jump on the. On the runner to be right there. Position to protect the President, essentially. And he's called back on the tarmac. So enough people have to be involved with. With the security, with the assassination, with being able to move people in and out. You know, that's the CIA, the pilots. Tosh Plumlee just put out a book. He was one of the CIA pilots.

Danny Jones

Oh, yeah.

Sean Stone

He talks about, you know, flying in. Who did he fly in? Roselli, who was the mobster hunt? Charles Harrison, who was Woody's father. Many people. He was a mob hitman who many people suspected of being there that day. And Charles Nicoletti and another guy. So Tosh talks about who he flew in to Dallas that day. But certainly, I mean, look at who, like my dad said in JFK, find the 50 best marksmen in the world and find out who was in Dallas that day. Even Carlos the Jackal, apparently one of the Carlos the Jackals who was famous, like, you know, apparently was there that day. So a lot of, like, a lot of people were there, even if they were as the decoys, even if they were as distractions, if you get that feeling like it was this There was no way he was going to exit alive.

Danny Jones

Mm. And it seems like he almost kind of knew it was going to happen. There was that speech, the speech that he made before that was like. I don't remember it word for word, but it was like it signaled, like, if you. You could translate that speech. It sounded like he knew he wasn't long for the Earth.

Sean Stone

Well, he was sick, too. Don't forget. He was very. He had these. I can't remember what the illness was, but, you know, this is why, like, he had spinal problems right.

Danny Jones

From war or whatever.

Sean Stone

No, I think even before.

Danny Jones

Oh, really?

Sean Stone

Yeah, yeah, even before. And can't remember what the condition is. But essentially he was degenerating. And some people said, like, he. You know, he may not even survive to, like, his 50s. I mean, he was like, 45 or something when he died, but he was. I think he knew he was not long for the Earth.

Danny Jones

Yeah.

Sean Stone

And that's probably why he was trying to do these, you know, these. These things, like make rapprochement with the Soviet Union, basically saying, let's do a joint mission together to the moon. You know, let's work on the space program together. All this stuff was like, as I said, everything he did antagonized the. The comp. Let's say, you know, the military industrial complex that essentially operates on enemies and war. And if Kennedy had basically said, let's move to rapprochement, let's not have a cold war. Let's not justify these massive military spending. Let's focus on peace, pull everybody out of Vietnam, like space travel. And if we had done that, I mean, again, it would have changed our history. But I don't think consciousness, I guess we weren't ready for that. We had to play out this crazy. This crazy mindset that we've still experiencing us versus them. And I think we're getting past it. I think we are kind of getting into a more global mind in a sense of. Not a hive mind, but a global awareness and consciousness, you know, of our common humanity across religions, across cultures, across languages. Right. I don't know if we were there at the time. Maybe that's why, you know, that's why destiny prevailed, in a sense, that he played the role of King Arthur in Camelot. Camelot, you know, is a moment. And essentially, once he knew that he was in Camelot, well, Arthur's. Arthur's end is tragic. Right, right. Arthur ends because his own people betray him. Lancelot, you know, betrays him and. And Guinevere runs off with Lancelot, and the kingdom descends into civil war.

Danny Jones

Right.

Sean Stone

So it's very interesting that, you know, you be careful the myths you choose to live by.

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Sean Stone

Yeah, he was my dad's partner for, like.

Danny Jones

Oh, he was actually partners with him.

Sean Stone

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Mil son was.

Danny Jones

So he was in the. I learned about him through watching the BB Files documentary because he was all over that documentary.

Sean Stone

Is that the. Tucker's new documentary?

Danny Jones

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know. I don't know if Tucker made the documentary. I think it was Alex Gibney that made that film.

Sean Stone

Oh, really?

Danny Jones

Can you confirm that? Alex Bloom. No, Alex Gibney.

Sean Stone

I don't think Gibney did it.

Danny Jones

It. No. Oh, yeah, you're right. Produced by Alex Gibney. Okay.

Sean Stone

Oh, he produced it.

Danny Jones

Okay. There you go.

Sean Stone

Okay. So the BB Files is not the one Tucker did.

Danny Jones

So. No, it was that. That same one was on Tucker's website.

Sean Stone

Right.

Danny Jones

So he was like. So the BB Files documentary premiere, directed by Alex Bloom and by. Produced by Alex Gibney. Tucker Carlson acquired the film and streams it on his platform.

Sean Stone

You know, I have to watch it. I haven't seen it yet. That. That's Cool.

Danny Jones

Yeah, it was just a lot. Lots of, like, security footage of interrogations from the investigations on into bb.

Sean Stone

That's interesting.

Danny Jones

And.

Sean Stone

Because the whole thing is how this guy survives for so long. You know, he was literally on the cusp of being indicted and.

Danny Jones

Yeah.

Sean Stone

You know, and. And.

Danny Jones

And, like, it was so. It was so weird. It's like. It's like he goes around and he expects people just to give him free stuff. Like, people just give him gifts, like stupid gifts, like. Like alcohol or whatever. They like the different. What kind of champagne, what kind of cigars? And they're interrogating him about, like, why did you ask him for $5,000 worth of cigars? He's like, I don't know. They just give them to me or whatever. And then Arnon Milchin was like. He's like, I don't know. He was like. It was part of the deal. I just had to give him all these cigars. Very weird.

Sean Stone

Arnon just.

Danny Jones

No, not Arnon himself.

Sean Stone

Oh, he didn't give him cigars, though.

Danny Jones

Just the. The idea, like, how, like, they're interrogating people for giving him cigars and. And alcohol and stuff like this. And it's almost like he's like. Like they need to do this to. To impress him or something. Or like, maybe it's some sort of. I don't understand, gift.

Sean Stone

I mean, it's very normal in the VIP world and politics and whatnot is gifting. Right. That's how you get around tax declarations. You're giving someone gifts instead of money. That doesn't surprise me. Netanyahu, he's a dark one. He's very dark personality. I mean, I met him. I think he's a sociopath, but I don't get the impression that he. That he has much empathy. And, you know, you go back into the story about, was it not before Sharon, who was the Israeli prime minister that was killed in the 90s? I'm blanking on his name, that assassination. There's, you know, Neha was there at the time. He was riling up the right wing at that time. Rabin. And Rabin was trying to work on, you know, towards a peace deal with Arafat. You know, this was in 90. What, 95, 94, 95. I remember. And it was really shocking, you know, his assassination. And, you know, some people really wonder about Netanyahu having a role in that beyond fomenting the right. So basically not agitating the right, basically calling Rabin a traitor. I mean, Rabin was a hard. Right. Guy who Basically said, look, enough war. We need to make peace with our neighbors. And for that, he was killed. So, I mean, I don't know. Netanyahu and Hamas are like, they're two sides of the same coin. No wonder that, you know, Israel has been accused of financing Hamas. It's like that's, you know, you gotta. Like I said, you create your. You create your enemies because that's the level of, you know, of consciousness that they're playing at. Yeah, it's an endless war game. It's a blood game. So with Arnon, I mean, you know, people think because he was a producer on JFK that he directed my dad away from the Israeli connection.

Danny Jones

Right.

Sean Stone

As I said, my dad spent. He came. My dad came back to do another documentary series called JFK through the Looking Glass. And that was both a documentary and a series. Yeah, he wanted to re. You know, he went to reassess with the documents that did come out post after the film. There were a number of documents, government documents, archives that were released in the 90s and even before this newest batch. And then I wanted to, like, re. Approach it and just say, look, what do the documents say? What do the forensics say? And get back into the story again.

Danny Jones

Yeah.

Sean Stone

And I mean, my dad understands, as I said, the Israeli motivation. We have not seen the evidence of, you know, who. Which. Which operatives in the assassination were Israelis. Where is the Israeli command component?

Danny Jones

Right.

Sean Stone

That's something that, you know, it's like the British have a motivation, you know, but sure, we don't know. Like, without pointing to certain people and saying, okay, that one's an operative of Britain or Israel, like, it's very difficult to say that they killed him, you know, and so as far as, you know, Milshon Milshan was a producer on jfk, but he was a partner with my dad on a number of projects, and they fell apart because he was supposed to make Nixon with my father. So my dad went to make Nixon and Arnon basically reneged on the deal or whatever. He backed out. So my dad went on to make Nixon without him, and they parted ways at that point.

Danny Jones

Point was, did Arnon have any sort of, like, creative input or was he just financial or.

Sean Stone

No, I mean, he was a. He was a finance guy. I mean, he knew good scripts. He believed in direct. I think he believed in my father at that point. You know, my dad had three Oscars. I think, you know, he believed in him as a filmmaker. Yeah, it wasn't, you know, you're talking, you know, creative input. It depends On. There's very few directors, as they say, who get final cut in Hollywood. Right. That's a rare thing. So you always have a lot of input on projects from studios, producers. But also input is part of the creative process. Anyway. You're gonna get notes, you're gonna. But I don't know, you get stories like the Kubrick Eyes Wide Shut thing and whether or not there were things cut out of that movie. I wish I had really.

Danny Jones

And the Shining.

Sean Stone

It's so interesting. I wish I had known more about this conspiracy theories around Eyes Wide Shut. Well, I don't know about the Shining. There was never any. Because Kubrick died before the Eyes Wide Shut was complete. That's why people suspect that there's all the suspicion that there were things taken out.

Danny Jones

Yes.

Sean Stone

Of the final cut. Because he died.

Danny Jones

Well, Rogan had one of the producers of that movie on his show. Right. And he was just producer. It was somebody who was involved in making that movie.

Sean Stone

I don't think it was someone in me. I think it was someone who knew someone, but I don't think it was directly involved because I could have sworn it was. It's one of those things, like, I wish when. I wish I had known this, because when my dad made Alexander. Are the video monitor guy. Right. So the guy that sets up which one was Alexander with Colin Farrell and Angelina Jolie about Alexander the Great.

Danny Jones

Oh, okay.

Sean Stone

So the guy that ran the Video village and the video monitor had done Eyes Wide Shut. Now he would know. He would know.

Danny Jones

Was it Roger Avery?

Sean Stone

Yeah, Roger Avery, Exactly. So Avery. I mean, Avery is coming from a secondhand account. It's a room. That's why I said I would have loved to ask, is he still alive, Video monitor guy, if he knew. Yeah. If you could find him, you could ask him. Was there footage that you saw? Because you're monitoring. You're obviously like, you know, you're monitoring the monitors. If there was footage that stands out to you that was taken out of the. Of the cut. Because then, you know, because people get all this. 20 minutes was cut out, and they show more of, you know, everything from, I've heard Reptilians to, like, children. I mean, you get all these, like, rumors, and it just gets, like. It gets kind of crazy. But, you know, you want to get to someone. Like, the scriptwriter wrote a book about it. He never said anything was, like, drastically different. So, yeah, you have to find someone that really was there, that would know.

Danny Jones

Well, yeah, the astronauts that went on the Apollo missions also wrote books about that.

Sean Stone

That's a question, isn't it? Well, they're Masons, so you wonder about the Masonic nature of the operation. And I always want. Look, to me, the moon landing. I always say, look, I think we went to the moon. I don't think we went with the technology that they showed you. That's my stand on it, that we have much more advanced ships and craft. And what they showed us, the little tin can kind of stuff is for public consumption.

Danny Jones

I think if we went to the moon. I think it's possible we went to the moon, but. But I don't think it's possible that that footage is real.

Sean Stone

Well, you've seen the Bart. Was it Bart Sobrels documentary.

Danny Jones

Yeah.

Sean Stone

Where they're supposed to be three, like two days out or three days out, and they pull back the camera and they're just in the upper. Upper atmosphere or something in the stratosphere, basically. They're not. Have you seen that?

Danny Jones

I think so.

Sean Stone

It's the. What really happened on the way to the moon?

Danny Jones

I've seen the movie. I don't know if I remember the exact moment you're talking about, though.

Sean Stone

Yeah, it's. It's like. It's part of the. The great reveal is he's got this NASA face.

Danny Jones

Oh. Where they're in. Okay. When they're in the capsule and they

Sean Stone

pull out and they shoot from the back of the capsule. I think it's what really happened on the way to the moon. I think it's even on YouTube.

Danny Jones

A funny thing happened on the way to the moon.

Sean Stone

A funny thing happened on the way to the moon. And they're basically at the back of the shuttle, like, shooting out the window. And so the Earth looks really small in the window. And then they open the aperture and like, they're. They basically stop recording. Or they thought they stopped recording. They stopped broadcasting. They opened the aperture, and you can see that the Earth is really big outside the window.

Danny Jones

It's like taking up the whole entire window. Exactly. Not just a little severe sphere, if

Sean Stone

we can find it.

Danny Jones

It'd be cool. We showed it on the show on the product. I've actually had Bart in here with Charlie Duke.

Sean Stone

Oh, really?

Danny Jones

One of the last Apollo astronauts to walk on the moon. There's only, like three that are alive, and he's one of them.

Sean Stone

And.

Danny Jones

And it was a complete shit show, Bart. You know, it was not a good combination of personalities. First of all, I don't really think we got anywhere. I don't. I was not convinced by either of them.

Sean Stone

Yeah.

Danny Jones

I wasn't convinced that Bart was right, and I was not convinced by Charlie Duke that they actually went to the moon.

Sean Stone

Right.

Danny Jones

He was kind of a broken record. He kind of just saying, like, if I didn't go to the moon, how do I get all these moon rocks? You know, one of the biggest problems with the thing was the radiation. You know, what's one of Bart's big points in his documentary is the Van Allen radiation belts.

Sean Stone

Yes.

Danny Jones

He's saying that human beings wouldn't be able to survive passing through that back and forth with that thin little layer of aluminum. And because the, I guess the Soviets sent like, dogs and stuff to those radiation belts, none of them survived. Like, and even a monkey, I think, like, no human being he believes has ever survived passing through that. And there's even videos we pulled up of Von Braun giving presentations on the Van Allen radiation. Yeah. Saying like, and there's other astronauts, even

Sean Stone

to this, even recent.

Danny Jones

There's modern astronauts that talk about, like, we need to solve the problem of radiation before we send people this far out into space.

Sean Stone

Yeah.

Danny Jones

And we showed those videos to Charlie Duke, and I said, charlie, when you were planning on. When I'm sure there was a lot of planning, right. To go to the moon. I'm not a guy, I'm not. I'm no expert, but I'm sure there was a hefty amount of planning that you guys had to go through. Right? And he's like, yes. I'm like, so what sort of preparation did you guys go through? Or what did they at least warn you about when it comes to the radiation Bells? He said they never discussed them.

Sean Stone

That makes no sense.

Danny Jones

I know.

Sean Stone

Did he ask him about how the stars look on the moon?

Danny Jones

I did. I don't remember what he said about the stars. So what I understand is about the stars is like, they could see it with the naked eye, but with the exposure of the cameras because the surface of the moon is so bright, if you expose for the moon, you're going to lose the stars.

Sean Stone

That makes sense.

Danny Jones

Sense, yeah.

Sean Stone

But I'm sure to the naked eye

Danny Jones

they'll be like, it must have been insane. Right?

Sean Stone

That's what I was curious. Like.

Danny Jones

Yeah. Well, so when I asked him, I was like. I was like, can you just walk me through what was going through your mind the moment you opened the door and you walked on the moon for the first time? And he was just said, excitement, excitement. Just exciting. I'm on the moon. It was exciting. And I'm like, man, if I walk to the moon. I'd have more words than exciting, like, man.

Sean Stone

Right.

Danny Jones

You know, that's just what I feel.

Sean Stone

I mean, I know I've walked the Himalayas and I've had, like, surreal experiences just being at, you know, whatever, 15, 20,000. Right, right.

Danny Jones

Yeah. So this is the video that you were discuss. You were referring to earlier of the.

Sean Stone

This is from the first. This is from the first.

Danny Jones

Apollo 11. 11.

Sean Stone

Yeah.

Danny Jones

Yeah.

Sean Stone

And so they're. They're. They're supposed to be like, two or three days out at this point.

Danny Jones

Yeah. And see, there's another hatch, window hatch over there.

Sean Stone

Well, I don't know if that's a hatch or just a light. It looks like a light.

Danny Jones

I think it's a hatch. We actually pulled up a 3D model of that capsule. And there's a hatch there.

Sean Stone

Yeah. So there's that thing looks. So that looks like a light. Right?

Danny Jones

So it does look like a light.

Sean Stone

It's supposed to be the Earth. That is the Earth. But it's supposed to be, like, far away. Right. Because we're two, three days out.

Danny Jones

All that black around it on the border.

Sean Stone

Open up the aperture.

Danny Jones

So he believes there was a transparency in front of that window that, like, made it look like it was the actual full shape of the Earth. Yeah. This is the light hitting the edge of the. Like, the windowsill. Yeah. So, yeah, you're seeing in front of it. You can tell, like, how. So how's the camera? And he explains in the audio of this video how he says, we have the camera pushed up against the glass, I believe. And then you hear the. Also you hear somebody saying, talk.

Sean Stone

Yes.

Danny Jones

There's, like, a delay.

Sean Stone

Oh, yeah. There's definitely the fact that we could transmit all the way from the moon to the phone of the President's. The President's phone. I mean, look, I'm more interested by the black programs or like, the secret program, secret space program kind of stuff, like the Gary McKinnon hacking. Remember the Gary McKinnon story, hacking our NASA and basically seeing these craft that are in the sky. This is the kind of stuff that resonates more with me of how we're going to travel through space. Right. Very advanced propulsion systems, probably. We're probably at. You know, I don't know if we've achieved fusion. I would imagine that's feasible, but not be disclosed to the private sector or to the public. And, I mean, it's the kind of stuff that I saw, like, before the show. I told you, like the night of the Palisades fire.

Danny Jones

Yeah.

Sean Stone

It was. Okay, so the Palisades fires start in la and basically you knew it was being set up because we had just come off of the heaviest rainfall, like in decades. Like, literally LA was like. Because we always had to worry about, like droughts and stuff and whatnot. So, like it had been. We'd been coated with rain. And then for nine months they stopped cloud seeding. They stopped the cloud seeding programs, which are acknowledged, you know. Cloud seeding. Right, right.

Danny Jones

I didn't know that was happening in la.

Sean Stone

Oh, yeah, yeah. Okay. So they stopped the cloud seeding program. So basically from like March or whatever, it was like nine months till January of 25. So from like March or so, no rain. So we know we're nowhere. In a dry spell, we're nowhere. And we know we're now in like in a drought and it's January and. And the Santa Ana start kicking in. Now every, every year we get three or four Santa Anas a year. It's normal. Santa Ana winds are eastern winds coming from the desert, drawing dry, basically blowing dry air. And they can get fierce. And it's like everyone who lives in Southern California knows Santa Ana and you know what's coming with it. So you know that it's like a fire hazard. It's just like clockwork. So the fact that you've got this sort of this perfect brew, right, of try Santa Ana wins, coming fast. In this case, they get up to 100 miles an hour or something, which is pretty crazy.

Danny Jones

100.

Sean Stone

Well, I can't remember if it hit 100, but it was blowing hard, right? It's blowing really hard. And so, yeah, basically we've got this perfect storm. All it takes is a little fire. And apparently there was like an arsonist that they claim started it, but I

Danny Jones

heard it was Spencer Pratt that started it.

Sean Stone

You've been watching too much Democrat cnn. But the point is that, like, we knew, you know, you know what's coming, right? The fire department, everyone knows what's coming. So the fact that there's pretending to be caught unawares is completely hogwash. Because every couple years, the last, I mean, since like 20, what was it? The Santa was the Santa Susana fire, where they blew up. Like, they basically burned down like an old nuclear station and looked like a mushroom cloud over la. And I took off. I'm like, I don't know. I don't know what people are breathing right now, but I'm not going to breathe it. I went east to Palm Springs, but the point is, you can see it like Clockwork, they are burning these areas. The paradise fire, the Malibu fire. It's just coming. It's just coming nonstop. So that night, basically, after the fires just started, the winds are blowing bad. I was at a dinner south of Santa Monica. So I'm driving north, my friend's driving, and we're going up Sepulveda, which is right next to the 405, going from south to north. And I swear to you, we're driving at night. A streak of light appears across the entire sky. But it was a streak. Like, you could see, like, it cut the sky. And it's just like a light from. Right from east, heading west. And we hear a voom. Almost like a sonic boom of energy with the light, basically. See, we see the streak and we feel the sonic boom of energy, almost like shake the car. And it's like, whoa. It was a big car, like an suv. And I was like, what was that? And then, you know, she's like, driving. So she looks up and she's like, there's like some kind of, like, craft or something. And it's like she couldn't identify what it was, but it was. It was moving fast enough to give us to shake the car.

Danny Jones

Right.

Sean Stone

And then, I don't know, I saw some videos.

Danny Jones

Interesting. It made a loud sound.

Sean Stone

Well, it's. It's the power. It's like a sonic boom. Like, of the. Of the energy of something.

Danny Jones

No, fast.

Sean Stone

Right, right. And. And I just, you know, I don't know, I saw some video from, like, various, you know, of the stations that were covering. It looked like something like a little light was moving around the fires. And almost like it was, you know, you can say crazy, but, like, setting, like, lasers to, like, start. Start fires, like, to hit the. What I would imagine is they would have hit the. Some of those power cables and spark them and to basically perpetuate the fire.

Danny Jones

Whoa. That's crazy.

Sean Stone

It makes sense. If you want a fire, it makes sense. Like I said, I mean, these things. To me, it's like. Like. Like the Maui fire. Like, you gotta. You gotta make sure that these things burn. Burn the area out. If you're looking to buy it up on mass, which is, you know, kind of what's happening. Buy a, you know, cheap property, build out a smart city, whatever it is, you know, that they're doing.

Danny Jones

So what do you think those lights were?

Sean Stone

No, I'm saying I think it was a craft.

Danny Jones

A craft.

Sean Stone

I think it was one of these craft that, you know, are off books. Kind of like, people talk About a lot. The triangle craft, the TR3s they're called. I think they basically never heard of a TR3. No, they like triangle shaped craft that

Danny Jones

like Phoenix lice type thing.

Sean Stone

No, these are ours. These are like government, like, like space, like secret space program kind of stuff. Black triangle craft. Yeah, they're like, they seem to be like a very advanced stealth bomber. I mean for. Remember they didn't announce the stealth bomber to what, the first Gulf War, I think.

Danny Jones

Right.

Sean Stone

Until then, if you saw a stealth bomber, you'd be like, that's an alien shit.

Danny Jones

Oh yeah, for sure.

Sean Stone

So I just think TR3 is advanced, you know, advanced crap.

Danny Jones

So that thing right there is what it looks like, the TR3?

Sean Stone

Yeah, that's the one that people have seen a lot of. I'm not saying that's what I saw. I'm just saying that that's to me an example of like one of these black program crafts that we've got.

Danny Jones

That's wild. Yeah. I've had people on here tell me that they think that even the Phoenix Lights things were government thing, government balloons and stuff like that.

Sean Stone

Well, I mean we had the drones showing up all over the east coast and no one stills and told us what those were.

Danny Jones

Oh yeah, right. I forgot about that.

Sean Stone

In 24. They were all over the east coast, the drones.

Danny Jones

Wasn't that supposed to be Iran?

Sean Stone

Yeah, we didn't shoot them down because we were scared of the Chinese, I mean, or China.

Danny Jones

Was that what it was?

Sean Stone

Yeah, it was like. But I'm like, okay, so we don't shoot them down. Why, what's going on?

Danny Jones

Yeah, the Chinese, the Chinese balloon. Oh my God. Yeah, it's too much, too much craziness happening in the news cycle to pay attention to.

Sean Stone

Kind of have to just allow things to like reach you. That's what I feel. Like the information that's important will reach you. And a lot of it is distraction. A lot of it is designed to like take away our energy and distract us and keep us feeling disempowered and weak. And that's why, you know, I like to just come back to like things that I can affect in my reality, you know, walk my path, you know, and just don't get over too caught up with the things I can't change.

Danny Jones

I mean it's like with technology and the media and like how we have so much access to everything instantaneously, it's like a double edged sword, right? It's like on one hand, yeah, it's making people more aware of like the evil and the corruption that's happening around the world with world leaders and with governments and stuff that we, people like you and me, want nothing to do, nothing to do with. And it's probably making us more united at some level, at least people that are aware of it.

Sean Stone

Yeah.

Danny Jones

And on the other hand, it is the perfect tool for governments that want to keep secrets because they no longer have to worry about keeping stuff secret because now they can just flood the zone with. And it's impossible to pick the wheat from the chaff. Right. It's impossible to pick the needle out of the haystack of what's real.

Sean Stone

They've always been doing this. I mean, this is psy war. This is psychological operations. I mean, imagine the only difference is they used to have three channels and now there's 3 million. So now you have a little bit more diversity in choosing your vector of where you want to get your information from or try to make sense of the world through. But yeah, I mean, it's very frustrating. I mean even being in California, right, We're, we're just in LA seeing typical election shenanigans, which I think 2020 was like a big wake up call for people to realize, yeah, this is the strategy. It's basically wait till election day, find out how many votes you need and then just basically mail in as many after the fact. We need 50,000. We get 50,000. We get 40,000 from skid row. We get 40,000 from Skid Row. You know, no ID. Everyone's got a ballot, even illegals. It's like just, yeah, just flood them, you know, just flood the zone. And it really makes this country feel like a men in republic when we should be using a blockchain or something to identify. Like, you know, every voter should have like a blockchain number and should be able to go and see their vote right there on the blockchain. Oh, that's my number, that's my vote. It should be reflected publicly.

Danny Jones

Yeah. And then, you know, how many people don't vote, right? Like how many people that. I feel like the people that are most aware of this stuff that are paying the most attention, the younger folks don't even vote. You know, it's only the people, the older folks who are more tapped into mainstream news like FOX and cnn, that are the ones that are going out and voting. Like, I think the perfect example of that would be this recent Kentucky race with the, the, the Senate race in Kentucky with, with Thomas Massie and then the other guy, right, where like every commercial That, I guess they just spent million. What was it, like 13, $14 million on that race in Kentucky. And then if you watch the guy's commercials that was running against Massey, he never says a word in any of the commercials. All it is is Trump talking. It's. It's videos of Trump saying, this guy's great war hero.

Sean Stone

Yeah.

Danny Jones

Strong handshake.

Sean Stone

Yeah.

Danny Jones

Vote for him.

Sean Stone

Yeah.

Danny Jones

And then at the end of the commercial, it goes, I'm Ed Gallery and I approve this message. That's the whole thing. And the guy won because those are people that vote. The people that watch that shit.

Sean Stone

Yeah. I mean, I don't. I don't. I don't vote simply because I think it's all a racket. Yes, it would be. Look, we've got a. We've got a system where both part. You know, the Republicans are supposed to be limiting spending, but they spend just as much as the Democrats ultimately. Well, at least on the national level. Right. We're talking about the national debt. It just continues to grow and grow and grow, no matter who's in office. At the state level, I don't know. I know that California is a horribly run state, and it's been run by one party, really, at least since Schwarzenegger. So it should be an indication that there's something wrong. But it's like they just. How do you say it? They swap out the tires.

Danny Jones

They swap out the tires.

Sean Stone

Yeah, that's pretty much it. The car's broken down, but they swap out the tires.

Danny Jones

Well, California is interesting, too, because you have, like, so much craziness happening with, like, the homeless issues and everything else. And at the same time, it's that. What was it? What is it? California. The number three GDP of any country in the world. Like all the.

Sean Stone

Yeah, about six or something. Six.

Danny Jones

I think it's insane because of all those giant tech companies, it's huge amount

Sean Stone

of revenue, don't know where it goes. It's one of those mysteries, kind of like the New York City budget, you know?

Danny Jones

Yeah.

Sean Stone

They'll all go.

Danny Jones

Yeah. And it's also very fascinating how all those tech people are. Well, especially silic. We were in. When were we in San Francisco? That was like four years ago, something like that. San Francisco? Yeah, we were in four. We were in San Francisco. And this was my first time ever being in San Francisco, like four years ago, something like that. And like, I had not been aware of the fact that you have to leave your car unlocked so people just. They won't break your windows. Like the dude we were visiting. He's like, just leave your rental car. Don't. Don't leave anything in there. Leave the door unlocked because they're going to get in one way or the other. It's easier for them to open the door than to break your window.

Sean Stone

Road Warrior.

Danny Jones

That's crazy, dude. And we just, we just found purses laying on the street, looted. You know, apparently they're trying to fix

Sean Stone

that now, but what the point, election season, they gotta. They gotta make it look better.

Danny Jones

Right, Right. Or when they brought G, when G came to San Francisco, they cleaned it up big time.

Sean Stone

Right, right, exactly like. Yeah, yeah, but window dressing I found.

Danny Jones

I find it interesting that you have like all these tech oligarchs, like, talking spiritual now. Yeah, they're all getting spiritual.

Sean Stone

They're into the spiritual war.

Danny Jones

Yeah. And you got, well, Peter Teals more into the Antichrist stuff, but he's like, you know, trying to project himself as being some. There's big, some big Christian church there, apparently, where all the, all the tech people are now, like, converting to Christianity and all these big tech investors are. There's one, there's one tech company that. Not tech. There's one company that invests in tech companies. I forget what the name of it now, but, yeah, they're all involved in like, preaching the Bible to people in Silicon Valley, which is very wild.

Sean Stone

It's interesting. Are they bringing revelations to bear? Is that the. You know, it's kind of makes you wonder, right, like, if they have to do whatever they can to justify the total surveillance society.

Danny Jones

Yeah, right.

Sean Stone

And it's like, I look at things as, let's say, the uniparty, maybe a little bit of. Maybe a little bit of quarreling between those that are totally globalists and those that are more like, hey, we want to see America sustain as a nation, as a republic. I think that's kind of, to me, the, the real heart of the battle, that's what Trump is supposed to represent, is more of the nationalist impulse against the globalist impulse. Right. But in the meantime, they're all moving towards total surveillance society and digitization. I mean, whether or not we, hopefully Trump has been opposed to this idea of the digital currency, the digital digitization of like, all currency and whatnot. But, but that's kind of where, where things are going on the tech, the tech side of it, Right. It's like it's a total digital, digital identification. We all have digital avatars. We all are tracked and monitored and our habits, I mean, everything is. Is known and knowable.

Danny Jones

So it's like someone was just telling me that TSA just made some. The. The TSA is making a big change where they're going to require people to do mandatory facial scanning now if you want to travel.

Sean Stone

Yeah, I mean, I've seen that coming. I mean, they basically. For years, in the last few years, ever since COVID it's been like, you know, I go abroad and, I mean, I've accepted it because I understand, like, that we have. I have a. Some level of a public figure. So it's like, okay, you know, that's my public face. But, yeah, when you want to fly, like, they'll take your. They'll just do facial recognition. They don't even look at your passport. Now, that was a few years ago. I noticed that.

Danny Jones

I've noticed those at airports, but I've always.

Sean Stone

The craziest thing to me, actually, was coming back and not having to go through customs. I was like, wow, it's been kind of cool, like the old days.

Danny Jones

That's already happening

Sean Stone

most of the time. I mean, I go through. Been through Florida a lot, like Miami and stuff.

Danny Jones

Yeah.

Sean Stone

There was no customs what. And no customs declaration, which was what, really. Which is interesting to me. You know, like, they used to give out the forms, like.

Danny Jones

Yeah. Oh, yeah, Yeah.

Sean Stone

I haven't seen those in, like, in ages.

Danny Jones

Really. I feel like. I mean, when. So when you're. When you're laying there, the flight attendant comes and passes you out those forms.

Sean Stone

I haven't seen that in ages.

Danny Jones

Interesting. Maybe I just haven't noticed.

Sean Stone

I think it's all facial recognition now. So they just know you. They're like, okay, we know who you are. We're just tracking you. And that's. I don't know. I mean. And so, like. And you even see, like, in going to Miami airport, they'll be like, you know, they have the cameras, they say, like, five miles out, they're like. They start the surveillance and stuff.

Danny Jones

Yeah.

Sean Stone

They notify you. I've accepted. I look at things like, you have to. Okay, you have to understand that there's a. We're all playing publicly, like, public commerce. All the commerce is public. Right. Everything. Like, people think that their money is theirs. Well, no, the cash, all that. That can be seized.

Danny Jones

It's all digital.

Sean Stone

Can all be seized. No, it's not just the digital. It's the Federal Reserve note. It belongs to the Fed. It's a promissory note. Right. It's not constitutional money. Constitutional money is gold and silver. The other stuff is just right.

Danny Jones

But money in your bank account is essentially. Yeah, it can be seized.

Sean Stone

Seized the bank. You know, the bank can do a bail in. They can take it, they can mess with it. I mean, if they want, they can mess with you. Right. Like, you name it. So you have to understand there's a public face to all this commerce. We have to regain ourselves as the private person, not the citizen. Not beholden to that government commercial game, essentially, because government is over all of it. It's all government over the private sector, but entwined with it. That's why these big contracts are going out to the companies that become the trillion dollar companies or whatnot. Multi billion dollar companies. They're getting big contracts with government. But ultimately it's government. It's government. And behind it is the private central banking system lending money to the government to be the tax collector. That's the government's job. It's there to collect taxes. Right. To pay back the banks.

Danny Jones

Right.

Sean Stone

You know, Yeah.

Danny Jones

I guess at some point it's just futile to fight it. You just kind of like got to go with it.

Sean Stone

Well, that's why I say focus. Prioritize your private side, your private life to understand, like, you as a spiritual being. I believe, like, that's what matters. Like, get right with your creator, get right with yourself. Focus on what you can do in your own life. Because ultimately, again, this is a much bigger game of commerce and, you know, states and empires and things that, you know, transcends any of us. Yeah, that's why I just went back to, like, the last thing I did was just writing a book about 10 things to learn as humans. You know, just to be human in a world that's like increasingly transactional, increasingly disorienting and disassociative. Like, let's just come back to like, the myths.

Danny Jones

The myths. Back to the myths.

Sean Stone

Back to the myths.

Danny Jones

Back to the ancient texts.

Sean Stone

Yeah, the threads. Exactly. The threads that we have. Like, you know, whether it's, you know, whether it's the stories or the myths, you know, the things that, like whether it's, you know, biblical, whether it's Greek, whether it's, you know, Asian, Buddhist, Hindu, it's like there are certain stories that, that, that transcend time. Right. Why? Because they have lessons for us.

Danny Jones

You know, it's definitely interesting diving into a lot of that stuff. It's. It definitely gives you a very unique perspective when you actually read it versus, like listening to the distilled version of it. Stories that you hear, like, on the Internet and stuff like that. You know, what led you into this freemasonry stuff?

Sean Stone

Curiosity. I mean, I've been studying, you know, because. Going back to like what we were talking about at the beginning, you know, the alternative, like the alternative version of U.S. history. Right. So I was, you know, my dad was giving me books to read and I was just like, you know, checking out his library and you know, I was still in high school and you know, getting, getting books like Jim Marr's Rule by Secrecy about the. The Templars and the Masons and things like that and David Icke's work, you know, and all these different secret societies and you know, the world of the esoteric. So I, you know, I picked, I carried that through with like through college. I was really, you know, just studying history and learning everything I could. And at a certain point you get to like this kind of this door where it's like either you open the door and you start to experience, you start to enter the realm of like the esoteric and actually like, you know, invite. Invite the spiritual path and open up to these things that are. Must be lived. You can no longer read. You have to actually live it.

Danny Jones

Yeah.

Sean Stone

And so yeah, this started in 2009 that my friend and I met this guy who was friends with my dad and like he. He and I went ghost hunting together and we would go to like as one does. Yeah, well, yeah, you know, when you're. If you're in Jersey in haunted. In haunted New Jersey, you know, there's.

Danny Jones

Is Jersey known for lots of ghosts?

Sean Stone

You know, I read Haunted nj. There's like a magazine I've heard there's like more.

Danny Jones

I heard there's more cemeteries there than like anywhere.

Sean Stone

It's kind of crazy. It's not that many people. So I mean. Yeah, I guess Jersey called me back. So it was Jersey, New York. We would just ghost hunting these different like abandoned mental hospitals. Greystone was a massive one, massive one. And we just, you know, went multiple times, break in at night, find a place to park, you know, run, you know, run around till we found like an open door, you know.

Danny Jones

How old were you when you were doing this?

Sean Stone

I mean I was like 24, 25, you know. And yeah, it was a trip, you know. So I made my first film about. About those. I started working on my first film. Basically it took three years to get made. So in that time when I was like ghost hunting, working on the film. Yeah, I went into, you know, basically I got initiated into masonry and. Yeah. And went, you know, been through, you know, again. That was. It's all kind of intertwined in my consciousness, you know.

Danny Jones

Did you believe ghosts were real before you did that? Or were you, like, on the fence? Or were you.

Sean Stone

No, I had the impression that there's too many stories, you know, when you study and read and understand, like, there's something happening on Earth and, you know, the Bible talks about it. The Elohim and the fallen, you know, the fallen ones and that come from the heavens and land on Mount Hermon and take female wives. This is the Sumerian book. Well, this is Sumerian, but the Book of Enoch talks about it. The Bible references it, but they didn't let Enoch be an official canonical book. Right.

Danny Jones

Yeah. It's all very, very, very similar to the original Sumerian shit. Like the stories. The stories definitely come from that.

Sean Stone

Oh. I mean, the Noah story is a Sumerian text about the flood and the king who gets chosen to survive it. But as far as the intermingling of demigods and humans, it's also Hindu. I mean, Greeks talk about it. Alexander's story was, you know, the mom said that Zeus slept with her, and that's where Alexander was born from. The son of a God, like Achilles or like Hercules. Right?

Danny Jones

Yeah.

Sean Stone

Bloodline stuff, you know, genetic modification stuff that, you know, who knows? But I was. Anyway, so I was. I'm of the. Of the mindset that I needed to experience multidimensionality, to believe, like, fully believe it. So I was open to it and I was like, okay, you know, let's. Let's go. And it's just at a certain point, you're just like, okay. The synchronicities become so great.

Danny Jones

Yeah.

Sean Stone

The experience has become extremely strange. High strangeness, I call it. And I mean, I'm gonna put out this documentary, I think, just for free or whatever, just because I want people to see it for themselves based, you know, basically the footage that I got at that time, 2010, 1112, of possessions of, you know, demonic phone calls, of. Against, you know, synchronicities, and, like, just things that you can't really can't. Like, rationally, I guess you could try to find, like, a logical explanation, but at a certain point, you just know there's this. Is. There's more going on here than meets the eye, you know.

Danny Jones

So what was the process like of going into the. The Church of the Freemasons?

Sean Stone

Yeah, I mean, I don't know if it's a. If it's a church in that sense, because, you know, they do honor. A lot of them are of different faiths. Right. They can Be.

Danny Jones

Are they really?

Sean Stone

Yeah. Christian, Jewish, Muslim. My understanding of Masonry people are like, because of my Tucker interview, they're like, you're badmouthing Masons. I'm like, I don't see anything about Masons. I just think it's an initiatory group. Right? Initiatory in the sense that there's something going on at a higher level, and I think higher even, like, dimensionally higher, because that's something that I felt and that I've been told about. Like, when you do these rituals or the ritual of just, you know, doing the dialogue, it's a play, right? Like, it's a play and you, you know, you. You walk to, like, different, you know, the north and the south and the east and the west and all that. And, like, you walk to different places and you say your lines and blah, blah. It's a play, but it's a ritual that is being observed multidimensionally, I believe. And that was why I got called right after the. The first initiation. You know, the phone call was almost like, you know, literally. He said, like, how did you like the meeting? This voice, you know, it's like, how did you like the meeting? And I was like, it's interesting game you've got, you know, that kind of thing. But it. It wasn't like. It wasn't answering my questions about, like, who you are and whatnot. It was really just telling me that they were watching me, whatever these things are. And, you know, they were watching me all the way back.

Danny Jones

Did it just sound like a dude?

Sean Stone

It was a man's voice and then it was a woman's voice, and she sounded more demonic than he did. Oh, yeah? Yeah.

Danny Jones

Demonic how? Like. Like you hear in the movie, like,

Sean Stone

oh, wow, like, kind of like, what did she say? Yeah, very witchy. Don't make me show you something to really be scared about that kind of thing, you know. Very witchy. Yeah, they were just watching. I mean, they were observing. They were letting me know that they watch. I was in, like, I was pretty. Like, it was a pretty intense time because between that and other things that were going on, I went on Alex Jones show at that point, like 2000, I want to say 2011. I was on for the first time on Alex's show talking about these things, you know, And Alex was so funny. He was just like, ah, it's probably the NSA or the CIA. You know, they're just messing with, like, listen, those guys definitely.

Danny Jones

Those guys are definitely embedded in all the cults.

Sean Stone

They are. Well, well, I mean, that's one of the theories about a lot of the alien stuff, right? Is that like they're open. Okay, so one of the theories about it is that some of these beings, these aliens that have been showing up are demons that have been like portals that have been opened by people like Aleister Crowley. So like it wasn't Crowley, it was his acolytes Hubbard from the Scientologist Parsons. Hubbard and Parsons, right. So Hubbard goes on as. Found the Scientologist before he founds the Scientologists. He's working with Parsons and Parsons is like. And he's. I think he was writing Crowley about Hubbard. He was like enamored by Hubbard. He's like, this guy's like so thelemic. He's so willful, you know. And Parsons had up the OTO here, right? In Pasadena, not here in pa. And Parsons was a rocket scientist. The jpl. Some people say JPL is actually not Jet Propulsion Lab, it's Jack Parsons lives, right? So brilliant guy ends up dying in a weird freak way that makes you wonder what really happened. You know, he blew himself up or something.

Danny Jones

Which also L. Ron Hubbard stole his wife.

Sean Stone

I think he did. He stole his girlfriend. I think became his wife. But before that they did a. Working a. Babylon Working, working.

Danny Jones

Babylon working.

Sean Stone

Yeah, yeah, Babylon working. It's cool.

Danny Jones

What does that mean?

Sean Stone

They were trying to bring on. What was it? The scarlet woman, I think. I think they were trying to re. Invoke the scarlet woman from like book revelation kind of stuff. Bring on the scarlet woman and that becomes the girlfriend of Parsons. That. No, she shows up in their life after this. Some. Marjorie. Is it Marjorie Cameron or something? I can't remember. Anyway, it's an interesting story, but the point was that, yeah. Nokian magic, which. The one time I read some Anakian magic, I got a phone call from a demon saying, are you a sorcerer? So, yeah, Marjorie Cameron shows up. And so anyway, this is crazy. This is wild stuff, man.

Danny Jones

I'm telling you.

Sean Stone

You start messing with this, things happen. It opens portals. But some people think because the ritual was in 46, that it opened the door to the UFO sightings starting in 47, right before Roswell. That was like the first major wave. And then Roswell is what, like right around July 4th, really? And so some people thought that this was actually like. Yeah, like they were doing these workings and opening portals to these beings to come through. Anyway, that's there. There are definitely people in. In the. The military intel world that would believe, you know, that believe this stuff. And that's why, look, if you know it's there, you do find your faith. So that's why I don't scoff at people like Thiel finding Christianity if it's genuine. Because when you know this stuff is real, you do look for faith. You do basically look to solidify your faith in your Creator, because that's the only power you've got against these things. And if they look at the potential for AI as demonic or the portals being opened by, let's say, those windows, you know, these dark mirrors. Because that's. Yeah, that's what these are. These are dark mirrors. You know, every phone, every screen is a dark mirror. In the old days, what did, what did witches and conjurers work with? Dark mirrors. That's how they would invoke the spirits in a dark mirror. You know, black. They call them black mirrors.

Danny Jones

Right.

Sean Stone

But that's what we're surrounded by now, black mirrors. So, so what was left and right? Maybe?

Danny Jones

So what, what, what are, what is a demon? What do you think a demon actually is?

Sean Stone

Low vibrational, frequent low vibrational entity? I would say so. Again, I think you can feel these things, like, based on the feeling it gives you. Like, if something like brings like a higher. Like, I don't think that the demons can operate from like a place of heart and love, right. And high and up. They're going to operate from like from here down. So they're going to feed on our, our appetites, like our lesser, our lesser appetites, you know, and that's why the seven sins, it's all like, you know, Dante's Inferno, Greed and lust and theft and murder and treachery and all that, you know, that leads you into hell.

Danny Jones

Okay, right.

Sean Stone

And then if you, you know, if you start to work with the heart, you know, ask forgiveness, be aware of people, you know, people that you hurt, things that you do that, you know, that hurt others. Like, you start to have more awareness, more reciprocity in relationships. Like, that's, that's, that's where we want to be as humans, right? So the demons, I think they feed on and operate at that lower level. And when you as a human are operating at that level. And we all do it some extent. To some extent, but like, the more we do, like, the more that they can attach to that. And that's why I think that there's a lot of entities that do attach to humans. And the more, you know, the more you surrender to them, essentially.

Danny Jones

Yeah. I'm reading this book, I'm reading this book about Satan, right? Now that Jacques Vallee recommended, and it's this French book written by French Carmelite. I forget who wrote it. Somebody, some French people wrote it. And the case the book makes is that that sort of way of being, that Satanic way of being is the default mode for humanity. Like, humanities are, by default, satanic, unless you accept Jesus into your heart. And that's the only way you can get rid. That's what the book says.

Sean Stone

I don't agree with that. I don't. I think that Jesus is a path, in a way, but I think there's plenty of people around the world who are not Satanic who don't believe in Jesus, but are still good people.

Danny Jones

Right.

Sean Stone

You know, in the sense that. I mean, that's kind of like the old, you know, Jesuit, you know, thing like, we have to convert you heathens, otherwise, you know, you're damned to hell kind of thing. Right, right, right. But I think that Jesus is the way, in a sense of, like, he's an example. He's like. He's. He's an example of, like, the perfected human. Right. So certainly, you know, it's a great model, you know, to follow, to embrace, to love. But the idea that, like, you have to follow Jesus to be good, I don't think that's accurate. I think that people inherently know right from wrong when it comes to hurting others. Empathy, I would say that's, to me, the Brahmap.

Danny Jones

Yeah.

Sean Stone

Are you empathetic? You know, even as a kid, are you empathetic or are you a sociopath? Are you one of those kids that, like, kills animals?

Danny Jones

Right.

Sean Stone

Hurts other people and, like, gets off on that, gets high on hurting people?

Danny Jones

Right.

Sean Stone

Or do you say, like, oh, I hurt you. I'm sorry. That's the key. That's empathy.

Danny Jones

Does Crowley or Parsons ever talk? Is there. I mean, I've never read my. I haven't read anything on what they were doing back then. But do they talk about how they were able to do this? I mean, it says, like, sex rituals and like that, but, like, specifically, like, what?

Sean Stone

So the rest of the Babylon working, they singing in Nokian magic. I mean, Nokian magic. You can find books on it. Just like it's. It's incantations that John Dee put together. The. The Queen. Queen Elizabeth's, you know, head sorcerer.

Danny Jones

Yeah.

Sean Stone

And that's powerful stuff. As I mentioned, I did. I did a. I. I picked up one of the books in my library and I started doing. I read the. The incantation, really. Then meditated and 30 minutes later, I got a phone call from one of these unknown numbers and it was literally like this like thing coming through. Are you a sorcerer? Oh. And then it was like. And it was garbled. It was really hard to understand the rest of what it said.

Danny Jones

Did you call the.

Sean Stone

Kept talking and talking and talking. Then it disconnected.

Danny Jones

Did you call the number back?

Sean Stone

It was unknown number.

Danny Jones

An unknown number?

Sean Stone

Yeah. Yeah. I would get these like Unknown numbers or 6, 666-666-6666 numbers. It was like. It was a wild time, bro.

Danny Jones

It was CIA. They were on you.

Sean Stone

No, one of them was a ball worship. That was like a ritual. Yeah, it was one time. It was like I put on Alex Jones because I was like, this is like I recorded it. But like, they called. I was with my friend who was also the mason. And it was 666 and it was like, literally they were going like they were invoking ball. They were like they were trying to draw our energy into their ritual. It sounded like they were calling us and like talking about ball and all these kind of. Of chanting kind of voices and we're just like, what, what do you. You know, what do you want? You know? But it's never. They don't. They're never clear, you know, that's the point. Yeah, it's always. It's like they're trying to pull you energetically into something. That's what it feels like.

Danny Jones

Who? Who?

Sean Stone

The entities.

Danny Jones

The entities.

Sean Stone

The entities. I mean, the entities are like. And again, I don't think all, like aliens are demons. It's just there's different entities with different agendas. Some, as I said, you can feel it by the freak. Like by the by where you're at. Like, does it feel like it's parasitic? Like it's sucking on you? That it's like that it's dark? Or does it feel loving and you know, of like, of God? I mean, I think that there's so many entities in this. On this planet that we don't see, you know, that are invisible to the naked eye. Because we only experience like less than 1% of reality.

Danny Jones

Right.

Sean Stone

You know?

Danny Jones

Right. Well, I think it's very interesting, you know, that all of these people like Jack Parsons and L. Ron not necessarily discard him, but like Jack Parsons and Werner von Braun and all these people that were like the foundation of the space program were like so involved in this non material. This like non material sort of spiritual crazy stuff like this. Right.

Sean Stone

It was Von Braun. Braun.

Danny Jones

I believe Von Braun was. Yeah, I believe. I mean, he was definitely like one of the. Wasn't he also connected to Parsons somehow? And like, I don't remember about. I know that there was lots of Nazis that were very much into this stuff, and they were like, allegedly creating some. Some kind of like, very advanced esoteric technology.

Sean Stone

Well, that goes back to like the SS cult. Yeah, the Death Head. Right. The. The. The thing like, Himler was really into the. The Grail lore and he had. They had the castle and they had like, this. Was it the black sun or. They had like this ritualistic markings and they seem to have been doing some black magic.

Danny Jones

But, like, my overall point is, like, it seems to be like, there's way more to some of the peak of technology and the space program and the history of the space program. There's way more to it than just the basic materialist view of science. Right. There's definitely some crazy magic because I

Sean Stone

don't think we understand what space is.

Danny Jones

Right.

Sean Stone

You know, this kind of goes like, the question of, like, it'll be fascinating to go up to the. The. The space station even, or just, you know, just out of the atmosphere and just experience what space is. You know how it affects consciousness.

Danny Jones

Yeah.

Sean Stone

Because like I said, just. Just hiking in the Himalayas, like, you, like. My consciousness was like. I felt like I was walking with like, Eden or something. Like some like. Not Eden, but like some pre Diluvian world, you know, before the floods, before the. Before humans came. It's like the mountains are just like, have this ancient power to them.

Danny Jones

Yeah.

Sean Stone

And then, you know, what is space? It's really mysterious. It's not. It doesn't. I don't think it's a vacuum. I think it's probably filled with like, plasma. You never heard this? The plasma science, like the whole, like. What is it called? Like, lightning bolts of the gods and all the plasma physics.

Danny Jones

Remind me.

Sean Stone

Yeah. Just basically plasma is like. It's called like the four state of matter.

Danny Jones

Right? Right.

Sean Stone

Yeah. So it's ionically charged. Yeah. But the idea is that, like, there's literally like plasma across space and. Okay, so it's not an empty vacuum.

Danny Jones

Right.

Sean Stone

Filled with plasma.

Danny Jones

Okay, interesting. Yeah, yeah.

Sean Stone

There's a whole physics around it, like, in how, like explaining, like, how the universe is designed differently than what the current cosmology wants everyone to believe, that it's sort of like a big bane bang expansion and like leading into like a. You know, to heat death. Right. Like, currently, it's like, it's just expanding to death. Right. We're all gonna. Everything's gonna get so far apart that it's all gonna end up in, like, in a death of the. Of the universe.

Danny Jones

Right, right.

Sean Stone

You know.

Danny Jones

Yeah.

Sean Stone

Plasma physics has a completely different cosmology.

Danny Jones

Well, like that we're trying to fit the universe into, like, a different ontology. Right. Is what's going on? Like, there's just the idea. I've had some people explain this to me before. How, like just the idea that the universe had to have started at one point and is going to end at one point and was created at a time and a place by a single person or entity.

Sean Stone

Yeah.

Danny Jones

Is kind of a fallacy.

Sean Stone

Right.

Danny Jones

Because there's constantly. We know for a fact that there are planets constantly living, being born and dying. The same thing with solar systems and galaxies and universes are constantly being destroyed and emerging all over the place. Place. So, like, the idea, like that idea that this is like a linear thing is kind of a.

Sean Stone

It's biblical. It's biblical goes back to the Bible story. And that's why, you know, who. You know, you. Makes you wonder, was the Bible written really in Babylon, you know, when the Jews were in captivity in Babylon? Is that really where the Bible was created, the Old Testament?

Danny Jones

Right.

Sean Stone

You know.

Danny Jones

Yeah.

Sean Stone

Because again, it's like a mixture, as you said, like, it's a mixture of some Sumerian myths, some Egyptian stuff, but there's definitely this idea of like, you know, God creating the universe and then essentially, like, reaching to this crescendo, this twilight of the gods moment of the apocalypse or Armageddon.

Danny Jones

Right.

Sean Stone

And then the return of the king. Yeah. You know, you really do wonder what this is. Are we just, you know, how do you say, are we going to play out the mythology that we've chosen?

Danny Jones

Yeah. How. How deep do you think, like, the world leaders or like the upper echelon of bankers and secret societies that control the world are really into this kind of stuff.

Sean Stone

I think the ones that are in the know are very into it. I think the ones that are, like, dynastic, the ones who count, like, who actually know their bloodline, who actually, like, care about title, and they're initiated. So as I mentioned, like, the Masons, like, the Masons are a vast initiatory group. Once you're. Once you're there, I think you get selected into more like you, you know, paths get, you know, you get selected into more like secret groupings, you know, or whatnot. You can end up with oat, you know, in the oto, for example, which is like the Crowley kind of, you know, sex and blood. Magic kind of stuff. You know, you can end up with the Templars. You could end up with other. Any number. I mean, there's so many, especially in Europe. I mean, Europe is filled with like, you know, the old dynastic bloodline families that I think have, you know, that's always been the rumor. Like they're much worse when it comes to like the cannibalism of kids and the kind of like the blood sacrifice kind of stuff that it's much darker in Europe than here.

Danny Jones

Really.

Sean Stone

Yeah.

Danny Jones

This is all kind of. This whole conversation we're having is like a conversation that you'd be laughed out of a room for having two years ago. Right. And it's like now that the Epstein files have come out and like all these things have been, I mean it's for one, for whatever, like Val, you could say validated. I mean the government hasn't really acknowledged any of it. They just kind of dropped it on us and we're like, we're left to fend for ourselves, to rationalize it for ourselves.

Sean Stone

Totally, totally.

Danny Jones

But like the fact that that was dropped on us is pretty crazy because you can't dismiss it anymore.

Sean Stone

Yeah. It's what. How to make. How to make sense of it. I mean, I had to deal with like making sense of this stuff back in like the 90s and 2000s.

Danny Jones

Yeah.

Sean Stone

You know, when I was first reading about the Franklin scandal and whatnot. And that's why I did the the Best Kept Secret docu series to try to give people like a little bit of a thread or a path. Path to make sense of a world where, you know, governments, politicians are involved in the trafficking and protecting it because the comp. The politicians are themselves either involved or compromised.

Danny Jones

Yes.

Sean Stone

You know, kind of with like, with the drug traffic. I mean, I literally touched on all these different threads, you know, the issue of like how we are mind controlled through media, through storytelling. Right. To basically like think of these things as fantastical or far out or you know, they drop little hints like in the Verdrinochrome in Fear and Loathing. Right. Where he's like, he's tripping and he's seeing the dinosaurs. Reptilians essentially. Right.

Danny Jones

Yeah.

Sean Stone

But it's coming from such a far out source that you're not taking it very seriously. Except Hunter Thompson was a very good journalist because as crazy as gonzo as he was, he really was like immersing himself in all this, these, these things. In fact, he was even part of like Nixon's. You know, he was part of like Nixon's campaign, like these journalists, like, covering the campaign. I mean, he was. He was a serious journalist. He was just crazy because he opened himself to, like, everything.

Danny Jones

Yeah.

Sean Stone

And ultimately killed himself because I think he knew too much. And that's. Well, I mean, going back to, like, the nature of, like the book, the 10 Things to Learn, it's like we are in the world having eaten the apple. We are in the world of mind. And everything that we think has to have some expression in our reality. So we actually have a lot of power. But we have to start with recognizing the power of our thoughts and where our attention's going. Because all these things can only occur because we're allowing them to occur. The dark stuff that's going on, we're allowing it. We accept it. And if we didn't, we would have stopped it collectively. We collectively are accepting these things.

Danny Jones

Yeah.

Sean Stone

Sadly. Sadly to say. And people will be like, outraged and be like, how can we accept? It's like, no, thankfully, we're starting to recognize what we've accepted because so many times for so long, people turned a blind eye for so long, culturally, like you said it was, you laugh. Someone talks about something like, you know, human sacrifice.

Danny Jones

Yeah.

Sean Stone

They'd laugh. So basically, by ridiculing, you're accepting rather than inquiring, investigating, saying, wait, no, I want to know more. Wait, this isn't okay. It's not acceptable. We have to stop calling people crazy for having, you know, seen things or observed things or learned things that are uncomfortable. Only when we face the darkness are we going, are we going to be able to shine light on it and that will bring it to an end.

Danny Jones

Yeah.

Sean Stone

But as long as we try to be, you know, as they, you know, they've maintained the polite society around all this stuff, you know, whether it's pedophilia, whether it's, you know, darker crimes, it's like so much has been hidden.

Danny Jones

Yeah.

Sean Stone

And now it's really time to, like, be like David, who's like, you know, transgressed. You know, he's King David. Remember he. He took, you know, he basically impregnated a married woman. He sent her husband off to die. Basically kills the guy so he can hide his transgression. Guess what? He's got to get right with God. I'm like, that's where we are. We have to get right with our creator and really acknowledge the reality that we have co creative collectively and stop making it them. Because that's always the excuse. They're the bad ones there. Yeah. But have you done the homework? Have you done your inner work? Are you spreading light? Are you doing, you know, are you, you being as good as you can every day, even just in a small way. Because if we all make like, if we all clean up our own, our own mess, the reality will change.

Danny Jones

Interesting. You think you could have like a bottom up effect on the world.

Sean Stone

It's the only way. Be the change you want to see in the world. It's the only way. You can't change other people.

Danny Jones

So if we all, if we all start meditating and doing, saying Kumbaya and getting right with ourselves, with our communities, with our families, this can somehow stop the absolute chaos we see happening on the global stage. Somehow.

Sean Stone

Yeah.

Danny Jones

Wow.

Sean Stone

Changes the priorities. Changes the priorities.

Danny Jones

I like, I like it.

Sean Stone

Yeah. Because it's the things we need to learn. We all fail. We all have, you know, we all fall. We all have our, you know, our falls from grace, our, you know, our, our breakdowns. Right. But like, what happens after that? You know, after that you have to like, we have to learn to surrender, to cry.

Danny Jones

Yeah.

Sean Stone

To be transformed. Right. Because that's how like then we recognize what we actually like, what our priorities are. What do we actually care about? And when we realize what we care about, we also realize what we hate. And so hating is not a bad thing because it's an energy force. But we have to learn like, okay, you can be like Hitler and try to like hate, you know, I'm gonna hate and I'm gonna exterminate that which I hate. Or you can be like Gandhi and be like, no, I'm gonna not hate the person, I'm gonna hate the system and I'm gonna work to change the system, you know, and even when someone kills him, he still forgives the guy that kills him.

Danny Jones

Yeah.

Sean Stone

You know, he literally is like Christ, he's like, I forgive you.

Danny Jones

When you describe that, that sucking feeling of like the parasitic demonic force that you call. Well, I feel like that is something that is inherent with, and that comes with money and power. Because it seems like the people who have the most money and the most power are the ones that sort of lose empathy.

Sean Stone

They're the most afraid. Yeah, it's the thing is like, you know, when you, when you've got an image, it's like if you have an image to maintain or you have money to maintain. Right. And you realize like the power and the responsibility. Well, you now you have to, if, you know, when it comes to the wealth, you can live with that reptilian brain which Is like our root right of our brain. It's like that ancient fear, I have to strike before the other one strikes me. It's stupid game theory. You know, it's like, screw the other guy before he screws you kind of mentality.

Danny Jones

Yeah.

Sean Stone

You know, you end up. You know, you end up sociopathic.

Danny Jones

And this is a story. This is oldest. This is the oldest written word. Right. I mean, we have these same stories. It's like. It's so spooky to me how, like, some of the stories that you read in this Epstein files parallel some of the happening with, like, ancient Roman empires, you know, like Tiberius and the Romans.

Sean Stone

They look. I mean, there's an interesting question. How much was picked up from the east through the nature of, like, once the Republic fell, right. It was like, it turns into an empire and they go eastward and there's a. Who was it? Was it. One of the writers basically said, if you look in the Roman, like, look in the names now of all the Roman families. They're all basically from the east. They've been like. We've been bringing Babylonian people basically into our. Into our empire. It's no longer traditional Rome. It's now been like, we've adopted Eastern ways, Babylonian ways, practices and more hedonism. And I mean. Yeah, the stories around Capri, where was it. Tiberius was in Capri, where he had his villa. And that's where like, he would have, like, the boys. And, you know, they did. They threw people off the cliff, I think, and. Yeah, all that kind of stuff. Yeah, the debauchery. I mean, it became. And then, you know, they. Yeah, they became hedonistic. They became. They. They operated with cults.

Danny Jones

And there was an archaeologist who excavated that island and they found just like off the edge of that cliff, just tons of skeletons of children.

Sean Stone

Yeah, yeah. And so they had cults of power. So, like, if you're not initiated into the right cult, you won't know, you know, the kind of dark stuff that you say, you won't understand. You won't have power in that society. You have to be initiated. So it was, you know, how do you say. Yeah, it was not a great model. I mean, people are, you know. Yeah, they. They built an infrastructure. They. They had what, water, you know, piping and like, you know, some amazing. Yeah, what do you call it? The water aqueducts and things like this and some great architecture. But no. And then they. They basically ended up relying on mercenaries and gradually it collapsed. They had to. I mean, the interesting question is, like, Catholicism is very much Roman adoption. Right. It's like the continuation of the Roman Empire by turning the Emperor into a Pope and the Roman Senate into the Roman Curia. And so ironically, the Roman Empire has survived in the form of the Catholic Church because spirit, that was the only way to survive. You know, they didn't have the, the moral impetus, but they could find a spiritual impetus to survive. And now the Catholic Church is still one of the wealthiest groups in the world. I don't know if they're the wealthiest maybe. The wealthiest, right?

Danny Jones

Yeah, for sure. Yeah. And then like, you know, also like some of the crazy disgusting that was happening back then that they were doing that makes no sense to us today, but they probably believed helped them some way. Like drinking the, like they would have like old ailing aristocrats who were like dying of some sort of disease. They would slit the throat of some young 20 year old warrior and drink his blood. Yeah, that was gonna.

Sean Stone

We still, I mean now we know the power of like, you know, how do you say, of like blood transfusions from young people. Isn't that what, isn't that like a new thing now?

Danny Jones

Oh yeah. There's a guy who's famous for it, Brian Johnson. There's this guy, he like thinks he's gonna, his goal is to live for as long as possible. And he like started out, I think, taking the blood of his kid, injecting it into himself I believe.

Sean Stone

Yeah, yeah. Well, it' bonkers.

Danny Jones

People are.

Sean Stone

Saturn. It's Saturn. So what did Saturn or Kronos in the Greek myth, right? Saturn, Kronos. What is he? You know, he's the, the Lord of time. And he's unwilling to, to transfer power. I mean that's the nature of time. It's like it has to surrender, right? There's a, there's a, there's a not. There's a circularity to it, it's a cycle. But he refuses. So he eats his own children, remember? And then, and eventually his wife gives him a stone instead of Zeus, right? So he eats the stone and Zeus is able to grow up, become strong enough poisons his father, his father throws up his other children and that become so the Greek gods, that whole pantheon of what was it, like nine gods or whatever they are born from basically Zeus freeing them and then they throw Kronos into the pits of, of Hades essentially or Tartarus or somewhere. And he gets overthrown eventually, you know, because you can't stop what is inevitable. You know, the passing of the torch, the process of, you know, of accepting a New role. He doesn't want to, you know, he doesn't want to give up the crown. He wants to. You know, a lot of these boomers are like that. They want to be the king forever.

Danny Jones

Yeah.

Sean Stone

It will never happen.

Danny Jones

That painting is one of the most fucking dark demonic, scariest fucking paintings ever. So that thing, that thing eating the children. It's the God who eats his each children or whatever.

Sean Stone

It's the Spanish painter. What's his name of. Why am I blanking? I. I love his work. He also did like a baphomet looking goat head, like demon. And he did some fascinating stuff. Is that Francis Goya? Yeah, Goya. Yeah. See, I got Sebastian Gorka's name in my head. I'm like, gorka, Goya. Okay.

Danny Jones

Yeah.

Sean Stone

See what they do, there's too many names to keep track of. But Goya did other paintings with like the goat head right there, like the Black Sabbath out there on the left there's the goat head. That's like a. Yeah, that's an interesting one. And then also see this, they're having like a Sabbath and she's offering the skeleton child. What is going on?

Danny Jones

The goat.

Sean Stone

Yeah, that's Goya. And it makes you really wonder. And then go to the far. That's. That's a great shot from the. The When Napoleon. When they were battling against Napoleon. Napoleon's brother was running Spain. Yep, in the 1800s. But then on the far left there, there's another. Is that another satanic thing on the left above?

Danny Jones

Oh, up here.

Sean Stone

Yeah, that one. What's that? What's going on here? That's another black touching a little bit more.

Danny Jones

Oh, what is going on?

Sean Stone

Which is coven. Those owls, Bats and stuff. Bats or owl? No, you're right, they're owls. Owls, maybe owls. There's like a human. There's a human. That's a demon, like an incubus in the sky.

Danny Jones

When was this painted? When was this created? Does it say Steve?

Sean Stone

So it's probably around 18 something.

Danny Jones

1800.

Sean Stone

So one of my friend of mine told me she was doing research in the Spanish. So Spanish, right? She was doing research in the Spanish museum, like a national museum in Madrid, I think. And she goes. She was like there at night, like, and it was. She like started hearing these like something like echoing and she got curious and she went off to like an area that was roped off and she basically like got close enough to like see, she said there was like a bunch of cloaked people and they were doing some kind of incantation, drawing upon the energy of paintings in the museum, like Ghostbusters 2 style. Jesus. And that would be the kind of thing that again, royals would have access to people of. It's not just the kings and queens. I mean, obviously all these countries in Europe still have kings and queens, but they've got the princes, they've got the dukes, they've got the titles and stuff. That's why I say there's a lot of stuff that goes on still, but under the guise of it's a democracy or whatever, if you're really in power, you don't want to claim it. You want to be behind the scenes.

Danny Jones

I had this guy on who's a coroner in France and he does autopsies on ancient people. So on the remains of ancient people, he did work on the remains of Picasso, Napoleon. And he was also explaining that there's these paintings that were going around that were allegedly painted using the blood of King Louis XIII or something like this, and are using his heart because his heart allegedly was like sold on the black market. Someone took his heart and someone allegedly bought his heart. And the story was that that his heart was used to paint this painting. Remember this painting, Steve? And so, so he did an examination of the painting and he tested the red pigment in the painting, like took a sample of it, put under microscopes and tested it all that. And sure as like he tested the DNA and all that stuff. It was the actual heart fibers in the red pigment of the painting that belonged to that king.

Sean Stone

I'm not surprised.

Danny Jones

Insane stuff what they were doing, man. And then he also showed us. Have you seen the.

Sean Stone

Is this a.

Danny Jones

Is this. Oh, this one's actually in the Louvre. So yeah, if you look at the red. The red pigment on her dress, that's from the heart of which king? Let's get the king. Right? Oh, there, there it was. It was down there. King Louis. Lou Louis the 13 and 14. Yeah.

Sean Stone

Wait, no, yeah, both kings.

Danny Jones

Many of them.

Sean Stone

Wow. Wow.

Danny Jones

The mummy brown and the marvelous glaze.

Sean Stone

The restroom. I think if you look up the Sean Stone Alex Jones interview, you might find.

Danny Jones

We'll be right back. The skull of Mary Magdalene. Have you seen that at the basilica

Sean Stone

in France And Saint bomb.

Danny Jones

No, I think it's.

Sean Stone

That's where she was. She. She died. Right? They have a. A. The. Yeah, the sanctuary devoted to her in s. Bomb. It's a cave. It's really cool.

Danny Jones

Right, so there's no. This is. This is somewhere else. Steve, find. Show. Show the. The skull of Mary Magdalene. It's like it's like. Looks like it's in the space helmet, dude. It's wild looking. I. Oh, I have that. There you go. So right there. Yeah. Relics of Mary Magdalene. So this is allegedly the actual skull of Mary Magdalene in San Bom. Oh, is that where it is? Okay, okay. Saint. So this guy, this French guy, Charlier. Philippe Charlier, who is the corner, he's been trying to get them to give him permission to examine the skull and test it to see if it was really her.

Sean Stone

Why not?

Danny Jones

And they won't let him.

Sean Stone

They don't want it to prove to be Hitler skull.

Danny Jones

They don't want.

Sean Stone

They want exactly being Hitler skull. Could you imagine?

Danny Jones

Oh, my God, dude.

Sean Stone

You know, because apparently, remember the skull that the Russians had that they said was Hitler? They remember, right, that they got possession.

Danny Jones

Oh, yeah. So he was a part of that. What was Charlier, this guy I'm telling you about. So he. He actually did an examination of not the skull, but the teeth of the jaw, part of the jawbone of Hitler.

Sean Stone

Which one? I don't know, because the one the Russians had was a woman. Oh, what? Yeah, I was like, remember, like most likely Hitler escaped the bunker.

Danny Jones

Right, right, right.

Sean Stone

And there's. That's even come out recently, I thought. Was it. Which files, which batch of files was it Epstein, CIA, Some files was talking about this that like Hitler escaped, you know, escaped Germany after, you know, during the war, and they faked his suicide.

Danny Jones

This was in some of those declassified files. Yeah.

Sean Stone

Then this just come out.

Danny Jones

I vaguely remember something like this, but I.

Sean Stone

Information overload.

Danny Jones

Yeah. See what you can find.

Sean Stone

It's too many. It's too much to keep track of. What's real, what's. What's hallucination, what's AI hallucinating?

Danny Jones

Well, I mean, what are the chances that all his top generals made it out alive, but he was the one that was noble enough to sink, go down with the ship.

Sean Stone

Oh, yeah, exactly. No, you know, Borman was a major one. That was his like chief secretary and yeah, he was, you know, again, the. Like you said, the rat lions got a lot of them out. So why wouldn't he have been the first to basically say I'm, you know, get me out of here?

Danny Jones

Yeah, right. And he probably went to Argentina as to how the story goes. Right?

Sean Stone

Yeah, yeah, that's one of the. The destinations.

Danny Jones

Man, I'm so pissed we can't find this audio recording of this demon calling you. That would have been great. When does the documentary come out?

Sean Stone

It'll be out. It'll be out in like a few weeks here.

Danny Jones

A few weeks. So are you going to put it on YouTube?

Sean Stone

Yeah, I should get it to you guys. I should get. I should get you guys the. The documentary. You can play a clip from it or something. I know.

Danny Jones

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I would love to see it. Yeah. But the story, the story of. The story of all that, the history of all that, and of course, you know, how Hitler's life ended. It's very, very interesting. It's very. The story doesn't seem to make sense with the official narrative because, like, when Felipe, this corner I'm telling you about, when he was getting permission by the KGB or the FSB or whatever it was to go get access to it, it was like, like lots of interrogations these guys had to go through to get into and interviews they had to go through to get access to their archives where they had the Hitler skull all. So where's the jawbone?

Sean Stone

Yeah, I mean, that's where it says that the DNA tests show that was a woman's skull. But what is it? What are the new files that are out about Hitler escaping to. To South America?

Danny Jones

Yeah. There was new government declassifications, new declassified files by the government that alluded to Hitler escaping or Hitler surviving. So you would type in something like declassified files, Hitler escape. Type that into your AI and see what it will come up with. It should have something.

Sean Stone

Your AI should know something about that. I mean, I. I use. I use AI a lot. I think it's. It's people. You know, people are funny because they're like, well, AI makes mistakes. I'm like, yeah, you're not supposed to treat it like. Like, God. You're just supposed to use it, you know, as something that can do really rapid research and give you some feedback. It's a perspective.

Danny Jones

Right.

Sean Stone

You know, I think that's the key. You have to keep in mind. It's a perspective. It is not meant to be infallible.

Danny Jones

Well, I mean, whenever people try to, like, condense and give you like one trough to get all your information, you should always be skeptical of it. Jerusalem Post. The Hunt for Hitler CIA agent. Okay, no, this is not it. This is. Anything about declassified files here, here.

Sean Stone

Just probably the evidence classified.

Danny Jones

Yes.

Sean Stone

Yeah. M authorized. The clash Innovation of documents.

Danny Jones

Okay. Who is this guy? Javier Melee, the President of Argentina. Oh, I see. Oh, there you go.

Sean Stone

Yeah.

Danny Jones

Oh, I do remember this. Authorized declassification of these documents after the meeting with Simon Wiesenthal. Center officials say February. The Daily Mail also Cited former UN war crimes investigator who is more cautious about claims of Nazis aiming to build a Fourth Reich in Argentina, where Peter Thiel is now building his giant compound. Nothing to see here.

Sean Stone

It's curious. It's all curious.

Danny Jones

It is.

Sean Stone

It's like. Well, you know, a lot of things that we can only speculate about. Right?

Danny Jones

Yeah. Yeah.

Sean Stone

So I like. You know, I like to work more from the evidence and. And, you know, build from that, you know, or lived experience.

Danny Jones

Right? Yeah, definitely, man. Well, dude, thanks for doing this, man. This has been super fun.

Sean Stone

It's. It's. It's been a. It's been a ride. I mean, we've gone from. From JFK to the paranormal.

Danny Jones

Yeah. We're all over the place.

Sean Stone

Program to the occult seems pretty.

Danny Jones

There's nothing we haven't covered.

Sean Stone

It seems pretty fair.

Danny Jones

Yeah. The only thing we haven't covered is psychedelics.

Sean Stone

Well, which ones?

Danny Jones

You tell me.

Sean Stone

I mean, I'm more of an ayahuasca. I've done iboga. Boga was pretty. Trip was pretty like a. It's. Bogo was a little bit stronger than ayahuasca, but not too. Not dissimilar. Only thing I could say with iboga was the machine. Elves showed up on that one.

Danny Jones

Oh, yeah.

Sean Stone

And I didn't get the machine. I usually get the yellow em.

Danny Jones

You get the elohim on ayahuasca?

Sean Stone

Yeah.

Danny Jones

Good Lord. I'm too scared to try ayahuasca. I'm terrified to be stuck in that state for that long.

Sean Stone

Well, you don't have to be. I mean, you can just take one. One, you know, glass full will. Will only take you so far. If, you know, you don't choose to continue and drink, like, two cups or three cups, it'll only take you for, you know, maybe, like, a couple hours. And it may not take you that deep either. Mm. You know, the first round, my first dose may not take you all the way. Right. So you can just feel, like, how you. Your body is responding, and if you're ready to go deeper, right, then you drink more, you know, but it's not like a mushroom where you eat.

Danny Jones

Have you ever done a regular dmt?

Sean Stone

Yeah, I smoked it.

Danny Jones

Okay.

Sean Stone

Yeah.

Danny Jones

I just had a dude in the other day who was the patient zero for this intravenous DMT study where they put you on an IV of DMT for, like, a couple hours, and they, like, interview you and interrogate you the whole time. And because they're trying to, like, figure out what's actually going on, that's Cool. Figure out, map the realm. Figure out if there's anything there. Figure out what it really is. Pretty interesting.

Sean Stone

I think it's interesting because, you know, you, like I said what I see it as, you can communicate with, you know, whatever entities or your higher self, however you want to like perceive it. You can ask questions and with intention. So if, yeah, if someone is kind of doing it more in a clinical state, they can, they can ask questions that, you know, because the nature of consciousness is such that, you know, as I believe we're co creating the reality. Right. And so as soon as someone else is entering your sphere of consciousness and asking you to like talk to these beings, now you're directly talking to these beings through that person. You're part of the experience. You've altered. Yeah, you've altered the, you've, you've altered the experience.

Danny Jones

Yes.

Sean Stone

By being present. Right, right. Just as an observer, let alone when you're asking questions.

Danny Jones

Right.

Sean Stone

And yeah. So again, like where our consciousness is underlying, like that's all that I, I, that's all that we can say exists is my consciousness is all that I can say. I know, right. I can never know your consciousness. I can only know you through the experience of my consciousness, through the filter of my consciousness. And so like we're just kind of swimming in this.

Danny Jones

We know it's there, but we don't know what it is or what it comes from. You know, it's like a mystery. It's just like the mystery. It's just like all the biggest mysteries, you know, Is there a God who built the pyramids? And what the hell is consciousness? What happens after we die?

Sean Stone

Well, I think, you know, the Egyptians would have said you're building your, your life, directing it towards the afterlife. And that's sort of the Christian mystery too. It's like, you know, we're directing ourselves through our, our work and our, our thoughts, our, our beliefs, our, our life. We're directing it towards the afterlife.

Danny Jones

Right.

Sean Stone

That's very Egyptian. The Egyptians were all about that, like preparation for the hereafter. And then I think the idea is that through remaining conscious, through the death experience, the intention is to project your consciousness into your next incarnation with intention where you want to be, what you want to experience next.

Danny Jones

Right. Well, it is interesting that people that experience, when you do experience these kind of extremely psychedelic drugs like DMT or Ayahuasca, it does seem very similar to what people describe when they, they have near death experiences, you know.

Sean Stone

Yeah.

Danny Jones

So it's like what is that

Sean Stone

the fact that, like, consciousness is not. Not the brain creating consciousness, but consciousness exists and we tune into it.

Danny Jones

Like we're. We're an antenna.

Sean Stone

Yeah, yeah. And we're like. We're able to. I think that makes sense more by, like, parts of the brain being shut down. That's why the drugs allow us to, like, open up more. But it's. Be careful, like, you know, the nature of drugs. Like, I like the plant medicines more, but in a. In a. With an intentional setting, you know, people can get lost in the realms. Because, again, like, you talk about, like, demons in, like, the lower astral planes or whatnot. The realms where these entities exist that can oftentimes, like, attach and feed on you and feed on, you know, ego, essentially. Right? So it's like the ego of, you know, cocaine or something. You know, people feeling like they're Superman. Yeah, right.

Danny Jones

Hunter Thompson.

Sean Stone

Yeah. I mean, but so many people, I think, you know, went down that hole of, you know, I've seen it. I don't. I know I don't touch it, but like, a lot of people I've seen with cocaine, it's like. It's part of why my dad had to kick cocaine because he was like, you know, you just. Everything you. Everything that you do, you think is great. If you're writing a script like, you think it's fantastic, you've lost all.

Danny Jones

How come all the greatest writers were on cocaine?

Sean Stone

Who?

Danny Jones

Hunter Thompson, for one.

Sean Stone

I don't know if he's the greatest writer, but.

Danny Jones

Okay, he's one of the bad, not the greatest, but he was very good. Good,

Sean Stone

prolific.

Danny Jones

Who is the guy who wrote Cujo? And why am I blanking on his name? Stephen King. Stephen King was going crazy on cocaine and alcohol when he was writing some of his best stuff, Cujo, like, famously, he was, like, on coke the whole time.

Sean Stone

Yeah, I guess. I mean, look, it's an upper. You know, so there's something. Gives you energy. Yeah, but.

Danny Jones

Right, but I mean, there's something else there, though. I feel like maybe not just cocaine. Yeah. Maybe it's just drugs. Maybe there's some. Something to do with drugs and creativity that seemed to go hand in hand.

Sean Stone

No, I mean, look, they're. Again, they're portals, right? So it's like you're opening, you know, you're. You're. If you're inhibiting some parts of your brain, that's like putting restrictions on you, allowing your imagination to roam more. Right. You're allowing yourself to. Just. To experience more, to take more in, to be more, you know, Connect potentially more alive. There is something to that. It just, I think also with cocaine, it's like, like I said, people can really. They buy their own bullshit too much. It's like they think know. And so, yeah, maybe you have some success, but you can really be in the ego.

Danny Jones

Yeah.

Sean Stone

From what I see.

Danny Jones

Well, I think that's probably even psychedelics to an extent. Right.

Sean Stone

Like, can be.

Danny Jones

It seems like I've heard a lot of people, researchers, people a lot smarter than me about this stuff, explain how they believe that what psychedelics do is they manifest what's already there in the psyche and they sort of like reinforced ideals or beliefs, maybe subconscious that you're not aware of.

Sean Stone

Sure.

Danny Jones

And they bubble them up to the surface, which is why, you know, you get this sort of like a lot of people in the psychedelic space sort of like turn into door knockers. They become evangelists for it. Right. They think that they have all the answers. Right. And it's. It's very strange. And there was this famous study which I've talked about at nauseam on this show. I'm sorry, but there was this f. This John Hopkins study with religious professionals. Have you heard of that? Where they took religious leaders from Judaism, Christianity, I think Hindu and Islam, and they gave them all psilocybin and they documented what their experience was and all of their experiences were basically mapped by their religious belief and the religious background.

Sean Stone

Yeah.

Danny Jones

So like what they saw and all that kind of stuff.

Sean Stone

Stuff. See, it's one of those things where it's like chicken or egg though. Because I believe the soul incarnates into that path for a reason, for a learning experience. So is a person inventing the reality based on their understanding of theology or have they been born into that theology to understand it?

Danny Jones

Like born into a belief?

Sean Stone

Yes, yes. You've chosen a certain culture, a certain belief system to explore it as a soul.

Danny Jones

Yeah, I guess that's possible.

Sean Stone

You see, so it's something that we can't really know, but you can feel into like, you know, why did I. You have to live something. How do you say? Like you have to trust that you've chosen something for a reason. To grow in a. You know, to grow in a certain path, to grow in a certain direction. Sure, right, yeah, certain, whatever, in certain tradition. And it can be a country, a culture, language, all these things, you know. But I believe like the co creative experience is like. Yeah, we've chosen to walk this path.

Danny Jones

Very interesting. Well, thanks again, man, this has been fun. I need to go try some. AYAHUASCA Alaska.

Sean Stone

On that note, let's do it for sure.

Danny Jones

Tell people where they can find your stuff. Your YouTube, your documentaries, your books, all that fun stuff.

Sean Stone

Yeah, I mean, I just keep it simple. Sean Stone.info my website. Okay. I think that's, like, an easy hub for people to go and just link from there. Okay.

Danny Jones

Fantastic, dude. Well, thank you for doing this, man. We should do it again sometime.

Sean Stone

That's great. My pleasure.

Danny Jones

All right, good night, everybody.