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Steve

We're live. Carl Wood.

Greg

All right. Hey, what's happening, bro? Yeah.

Steve

Oh, too listening for a very long time.

Greg

Wow.

Patreon Host

Wow.

Steve

And I'm glad we finally got connected.

Greg

Yes.

Steve

We had dinner with Kurt Metzger the other day.

Greg

We did.

Steve

Fantastic.

Greg

I just can't believe I was just

Steve

sitting like a fly on the wall listening to you guys go back and forth. I had no clue what you guys were talking about.

Greg

I barely did. I still. I'm trying to catch up on what was going with that, but I can tell that the people around us definitely were in for a treat, you know?

Steve

Yeah. Yeah.

Greg

People would pay good money.

Steve

There were some moments when the waitress would come up and we had to, like, shut up for.

Greg

Yes, I'm used to that. I'm used to that. I've learned from my wife. Just when the waitress is around, don't put her through that.

Steve

So you're saying you were just saying you're deaf in one ear from a.

Greg

Yeah, I'm deaf in my right ear. The thing is, is we. We think about a lot of medical stuff different these days, but I had meningitis when I was three, whatever that is. And I came out of it deaf in one ear. And that's about as lucky as I could get. Some people are paralyzed. Some people die. And now when I saw Del Big Trees vaxxed. There's a point in the movie where he talks about how there were vaccines tainted that caused meningitis. And the pharmaceutical companies, instead of just destroying them, shipped them up to Canada. Now, I was. I grew up in Missouri. Missouri is a little far from Canada. But it just set off the thing in my mind, like, oh, if this has ever happened before, it could have happened in Missouri, too. This happened when I was three years old. What's the prime vaccination age? It's three.

Steve

Right.

Greg

The story was always that my dad took me fishing and I was messing around with some dirty water. But how does that story come about? The doctor asks, hey, what have you been doing lately? Dad says we went on a fishing trip. Doctor says that's it. Must have been the dirty water, the stagnant water.

Steve

Really?

Greg

Well, because no one knows. But now I think it's probably vax damage. Hard to say.

Steve

Yeah. Who knows? You only need one ear for podcasting. That's true, bro. For the last couple days, I've been binging all of your Tracy Twinman episodes. And, dude, totally condolences off the wall.

Greg

Yes.

Steve

Never heard anything like this stuff before. I mean, I was vaguely familiar about her. I kind of kn kind of the stuff she talked about. But, like, why don't you basically, like, break it down for people? Like, how did you just. How'd you come across her? How'd you get in touch with her and explain break. Break down who she is, folks?

Greg

Well, I mean, I've been doing the show for, like, 15 years. Yeah. So I'm 41 now. I was in my mid-20s. I'm embarrassed by a lot of the early shows, but back then, the circle was much smaller than it is today.

Steve

Right.

Greg

And it wasn't that hard to find people, and there weren't a lot of places for these people to go to, Talk at length. And when I started the show, it was like Alex Jones, who talks over all his guests, and Coast to coast am, which is a radio show, which has a commercial break every time they start to get deep into something. So I was like, maybe I could do this and just not talk over my guests and not do any ads at all. And that was my success for the first decade. But Tracy Twyman was definitely in there. She's an occultist who I learned after her death. She was very involved, not just a researcher, you know what I mean? She's not just sitting at home reading the grimoires and the book. She was involved in a lot of occult groups and wild stuff. You know, you look at pictures of her now, and she's wearing the freemasonic pendant. And it's not like I didn't know, because one of her books is Clock Shavings, where she talks about channeling or using a Ouija board to channel the biblical Cain and Baphomet. So you're channeling Baphomet? Yeah, that's the one I look at a lot that I'm like, what is that? Were you a Freemason? And I never knew it.

Steve

She looks like part of Amin's congregation.

Greg

Yeah. Even the background, the. The church she's in front of, is

Steve

that real or is that Photoshop?

Greg

I don't know, but that there's only really a few pictures of her because my show is audio only up until just like a year ago. And back then, a lot of shows were.

Steve

Did you ever meet her, a person?

Greg

No, no. But I did get some reputation of reputation damage when she died because somebody put out a video. They called her dead man Switch. But she doesn't say that in the video or anything. But she talks in the video about how she was upset at me and one of my childhood friends who used to talk to her on the phone. They get each other worked up and conspiracy paranoia. She was mad at me that I wouldn't go live and talk about this obscure school in England that she thought was a child trafficking hub. And I'm like, tracy, I don't, like, go live. You know, people have an infrastructure. Like, I'm. My YouTube's been in shambles forever. Like, going live is a YouTube thing. So I was like, you can give me the information. I'll look at it. We'll figure it out. I like to go in prepared. I brought notes for this. I'm not even running the show. So she just basically turned and was like, well, who do you work for that you won't do this? I'm like, tracy, just. I might do it. Just relax. And then eventually she was found hung in her garage. And there's a lot. Like, I wouldn't have said this, but Kurt Metzger said it because I listened to him when he was on here. Apparently. Story is there was, like, dirt on her back, like, implying that she was dragged and that she didn't hang herself. I don't know. When you're channeling Baphomet, either magic is real or it isn't. And you could maybe have like, gone too deep in that regard. There's a lot of things that could have happened, but it came back on me because this video came out that she said was her dead man's Switch.

Steve

But who released the video?

Greg

Some guy who runs an obscure blog about Burning Man.

Steve

Oh.

Greg

So I. I didn't know him. I tried to talk to him a little bit, and it just seemed like he wanted the attention for getting her last word out through his pog. Yeah, I've heard there's other videos out there. I heard there's other videos out there that discuss who she was really afraid of at the time. Can't really talk about it too much. We'll get sued.

Steve

We will.

Greg

We could. A couple of my. I can't say friends, but a couple. Acquaintance. Nah, you don't want that. You don't want the smoke. Do you know Clyde Lewis?

Steve

No.

Greg

Clyde Lewis is a radio guy, used to come on right after coast to Coast. He's been doing it forever. Tracy was his producer. The show is up in Portland. My buddy Ron Patton's the producer now. But that's a tight circle of conspiracy folks up there.

Steve

Okay.

Greg

And Clyde got sued, and he got.

Steve

By the same.

Greg

By the person. Yeah. By a certain person in Tracy's life who doesn't like it.

Steve

Talked about somebody close to her.

Greg

Somebody close to her.

Steve

Okay.

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Wow.

Greg

Yeah. You. You really don't want to go any deeper. And honestly, after 15 years in the conspiracy game, I just start being like, what is the value?

Patreon Host

Right.

Greg

And what is the value of knowing? Like, I know kind of what I need to know. And going past to that last 10%.

Steve

Yeah.

Greg

Probably isn't smart.

Steve

Yeah. You know, the other day, I was. I was texting with Heather, the. Heather Lynn.

Greg

Heather Lynn's the best.

Steve

And I was. She sent me somebody. We were talking about somebody, and I asked her. I'm like, what do you think this guy's motive is? She goes, I've been doing this for so long, it's a waste of time to think about people's motives. She's like, you just get the. Get the information.

Greg

That's true. And I get a lot of trouble.

Steve

Wow, That's a great point. I never. I. You need to think about it. That's a great way to think about it. Yeah.

Greg

One of my big questions is always, what do you think motivates these people? Because I'm trying to get to the core of why some of these conspiratorial things exist. And you never know. I mean, partly it's eugenics, partly it's money. I do think there's a spiritual element. That's what Heather Lynn is great at, is folding in the spiritual element. She referred to the secret societies as the brotherhoods of secret math. And I really like that. And because, like the Anunnaki story, you know, it's all about these civilizing tricksters. If you're of the Graham Hancock flavor, then it's like the progenitor civilization came and taught us how to be civilized. Right. But it's either aliens or it's like the Atlanteans. But part of the science and the math and all the things they taught us was agriculture. And that's where a lot of people think of agriculture as a positive. But, you know, she frames it kind of as a. As negative thing, because the Actual world that we're not really spending much time in is incredibly abundant. It wants to be abundant, it wants to provide. But we have built a structure, the matrix around everything and we've taken people away from that. Agriculture is one of the first things. Why didn't they teach US to plant 100 apple trees that yield apples every year? They didn't teach that. They wanted us to, to. To get things that harvested every year so you could put it in a grain silo for the king and then parse it out to the common people. Like that's a whole different game. But there's plenty of things you can plant that create abundance and yield every year. Funny how that didn't come up with the Anunnaki, the good guys who taught us how to civilize and all that.

Steve

Right? Well, they need an excuse to exist and they have no reason to exist. If we can take care of ourselves and be self, self sufficient. They need, they need we, we need to be reliant on them for something.

Greg

Exactly. That's the big conspiracy. So the brotherhood of secret math, her whole thing was entropy, and them putting themselves in the position to take the skim off basically all interactions. Then you can go through the. What is the East India Company? And that whole era of time, you know, they're really just middlemen. They try to get to the middle of everything. I mean, income taxes, essentially, they're just a skim. So if there is an occult thing going on with the Anunnaki, they taught them the algorithms, they taught them the formulas for extracting wealth from the many and being the few. And they've been doing it since Babylon.

Steve

Right. And this is the same story of the people in like the Epstein files. The whole point of everybody in the brokers, the broker class.

Greg

Yeah, she says that too.

Steve

They're just in there sifting or skimming off of wars, civil wars, different kind of conflicts, figuring out whatever way they can, whatever they can do. Brokering a deal between the Rothschilds and the President's administration in the United States to, you know, where. Figure out a way where we can do a deal, broker some sort of a peace agreement where we make $20 million for sending two emails.

Greg

Yeah, exactly. And that, that should have been a red flag to people when in the Epstein files, I think the most interesting thing learned, besides the jerky stuff, was him just saying, I'm a representative of the Rothschilds. He didn't say Mossad. He didn't say Israel. No, he said a specific family of bankers that has been in the game the whole time. That's the thing. It's. What is it? The 13 Illuminati bloodlines? I think they're still active. Clearly they're still active. Epstein was their lap dog.

Steve

And what do you. I mean, the fact that in the depositions, the recorded depositions we got with Hillary Clinton and with Les Wexner, they both just handed over the name Rothchild, not even asked about it. They just. They brought it up on their own without being interrogated. No, no, qu. No one asking questions said anything about Rothchild. They volunteered that.

Greg

Yeah.

Steve

I found that to be kind of odd.

Greg

It is a little odd, but to me, it just speaks to there being no real risk.

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Right.

Greg

You know, when I was in my 20s doing this, the mindset is, oh, if we can just get to the truth, then we can change things and implement some of this stuff and we'll fix everything. Right, Right. And now that I'm 40, I'm like, well, the truth is nice to know, but at some level, you could almost say it's, like, not much different than watching reality tv. It's drama, it's intrigue, and nothing's going to change, you know, so.

Steve

Well, the funny thing about the truth is it doesn't have to make sense.

Greg

It doesn't have to make sense. The universe is under no obligation to explain itself to you, and it makes sense. I think that was a Carl Sagan thing.

Steve

So back to Tracy Twineman. So she was summoning Cain.

Greg

Yeah, she says she was saying she

Steve

was talking to Cain.

Greg

She was saying she was summoning the biblical Cain and, of course, Baphomet. So that was one of her early books, too. It got really crazy when she wrote a book called Genuflect, which is a novel that she wrote. It's incredibly dark and weird. One of the last things she said to me. We mentioned this at dinner because Kurt's really into this. I mean, not into it, into it. But she said, at the end of the day, the secret is it's all about the anal birth of the homunculus.

Steve

The anal birth of the. I remember you guys saying this.

Greg

Yeah. So Kurt will go off on this stuff, but to me, it's like some of it doesn't really conform with biology as I know it. So I don't know what to make of it. But there's a lot of magical texts that talk about that sort of stuff. The creation of a being, of life outside of the conventional intercourse. And some people say the big secret at the end of the OTO and Freemasonry and all that stuff. The big secret is sex magic, which does make sense to me because in the pre digital industrial world what really is there, you know, energy, consciousness and sex. So you go into ecstatic states of orgasm, extended orgasm. You can probably do some funky stuff with psychedelics and consciousness and music and music and orgasm. I mean, I'm sure you're a little bit into the, the cathedral stuff, right?

Steve

Yeah, well, I know like the Elusinian mysteries had a lot to do with possibly psychedelics, music performance and sex.

Greg

Yeah, well, I think there's a lot of weird stuff going on with the Antiquatech thread where people say that there was a point where a lot of the ether based technologies and stuff was actually implemented and then they came and they shut it all down. Like, you know, a lot of the cathedrals were not originally Christian cathedrals. The story goes, they were compromised. They were converted over. And that the cathedrals, when they have all this stained glass patterning and stuff, those are frequencies. Like you can blast water cymatics with the same frequency and some of those frequencies, the pattern that gets made is what is on the stained glass. So frequency can heal and that sort of stuff. You get the pipe organ going, which they also don't really use anymore. The big church bells you ever seen after World War II, there's all these photos of like piles and piles of giant church bells. It's like, what is that about? The theory is that the church bells were healing. They would produce the frequency that being around them would put you in altered states or heal you. And after World War II they're like, get all that out of here. We're Rockefeller medicine. Only you know that Rockefeller medicine is really World War I. But the big theory is that a lot of these cathedrals were built with positive intention. There were healing centers, spiritual healing centers. There wasn't much of a division between spiritual and medical healing like there is now, and that some of the remnants are still there. If you look at the windows and some of the carvings that are there, you'll still see parts of it, but no one has the information anymore.

Steve

So was there religion involved in these cathedrals before the church took it over? Were they like pagan religions that were like doing this type of healing stuff? Was it like, were they performing rights and stuff or what? How do you know this stuff?

Greg

Well, the argument is that it was Gnostic, but there was no group of people that call themselves Gnostics. You know, Gnostics are, you know, the Cathars and other sects. So I don't know. I think people just stumbled upon it and then. And doubled, tripled down. A lot of people think Egypt, you know, was big on that. Do they have a religion? Sure. I don't really know what to call it. They had pantheons of gods.

Steve

Yeah.

Greg

But they also. If you look at some of those. Some of those etchings and stuff, it looks like they were doing that healing stuff as well. But we. We just don't know. We have no context for the past. So many regard. It's. Yeah, it's messed up.

Steve

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Greg

But Tracy. So, yeah, her. Her material was just really about the mechanisms behind a lot of the occult stuff. Have you ever seen the Masonic tracing board? You might be able to pull one up. They all look kind of the same, but checkerboard floor. The two pillars above each pillar, there's usually a sun and a moon. And then a lot of them, there'll be a staircase in the middle or a ladder in the middle that kind of goes up to the sky. And they'll be either like a window or an opening. So her theory there, she would call it hidden hyperspace kingdoms.

Steve

Like the Kardashian foyer.

Greg

I like the Kardashian foyer. So.

Steve

So this is called a Masonic tracing board.

Greg

Yeah. And you see how there's like this ladder up to the sky? Yeah, these ones are all. That's probably the. The closest one. Usually I see it in the middle and there'll be like a window. But imagine you were trying to depict encoded language. This idea that they through consciousness, through probably group meditation, they could open up a slimmer space outside of the material reality and maybe go there for meetings or go there to have their own little Epstein parties. Like literally outside of time and space so there's no chance of getting caught. It's almost like a dream reality. Time probably slows Down. So when they say, like they were seeking immortality, imagine every Friday night you can go with the boys, you go down to the basement, you do the rituals and you all go to a space. You astral project to a space and it feels like you're there for weeks, but it's really been 15 minutes. And while you're there, you can dream up anything. It's like a group lucid dream. Any kind of debauchery could. Could happen and then you could come back and be home by dinner. So this is a Tracy premise that the exotic states of consciousness would lead to this place where astral projection would allow you to be in liminal places and carry out all kinds of acts. Astral projection is real. And we all know that sometimes when you have a dream, it feels like a full day. But they say that that actual dream was only like 15 minutes. So some of the pieces are there for that to be true. I don't get read in on what the Masons do.

Steve

Did she ever participate in any of this stuff?

Greg

I believe so.

Steve

She never admitted it, though.

Greg

If I were to ask her directly, she probably would. These interviews are fresher in your mind than they are in my mind, so I don't know. Did I ask her? I don't think I did, but at the time I assumed she was primarily a researcher. And after her death I learned actually she has a lot of strange connections to French occultists and people who are really deep in it, who aren't really public figures at all. So I think some of this was experiential. I think she got a lot of this from diving headfirst. I. I say she was a reckless researcher. That's the term I use. So did she kill herself? I. I don't know. I could see her getting so deep into the occult that it drove her to kill herself. I could see her poking a bear that didn't want to be poked and that prompted her to be found in the garage like she was. There's many different catalysts possible, right? It's hard to say.

Steve

Yeah, yeah, it really is. It's. But like, one of the things that really kind of like gave me pause was how she was explaining how she had all these long conversations with. With Kane, but she was doing it through a Ouija board. Yeah, I'm like, how long do you have to sit there to have an in depth conversation going from letter to letter to letter to letter? Must have been months.

Greg

It's an investment. But she was.

Steve

And how does K. Does Kane speak English?

Greg

See, I'M not really Catholic, so I don't really put a lot of stock in the biblical characters as, like, people you can contact. But if we're talking about her perspective, she thought they could be contacted. Baphomet, too. Is Baphomet an actual thing or is it a symbol? Because the. The people who run the Magical Egypt Channel, they say when you look at scans of the brain, there's a certain level of the brain where you can look at the scan and it's a mirror image of the Baphomet figure. So just like the eye of Horus is like the pineal gland, they say. So they say a lot of these symbols are actually derived from looking at the brain itself. Is Baphomet the same? I mean, they've made a pretty good case to me that it is.

Steve

Yeah, yeah, it is. It is. It is so weird, you know. You know, maybe these things could be some sort of, like, similar symbolic. Something symbolic that, like, transcends different religions and different cultures. People just put different masks on them, you know, different. Just different, you know, same archetype, different name. You know, kind of like Prometheus and Satan and, you know, all that stuff.

Greg

Yeah, that's the other thing. A lot of people, conspiracy researchers, they gravitate towards Christianity because they say, they look at what the elite do and they say, well, that's Satanism right there. I don't know if it's Satanism.

Steve

Right.

Greg

I think it's something very odd and dark and evil, but I don't know if they're in this Christianity, Satanism paradigm.

Steve

Yeah, no, no, I don't think so. It seems all the stuff that, like, Anton lavey was doing was more of, like, circus stuff. Like circus Satanism, you know, like, it wasn't truly. It was more like, you know, some Dungeons and Dragons nerds. Yeah. Running around with staffs and coats and, like, you know, listening to Marilyn Manson.

Greg

There's that, too. That's why a lot of the magic practitioners did magic with a k in the 90s and early 2000s. I think that's lame. I think it's kind of cringe, and I think it's also outdated. But you kind of have to decide if magic is real or not. My friend Gordon White, who died recently, he had a great website, Rune Soup. It's got all this. It's probably the best. It's like the Library of Alexandria, the digital library of Alexandria for a culture and magic subjects. I hope it stays up. Who knows if it will? But he used to always say, you have to drill down on your own personal metaphysics. It's like, is magic real or not? Is it all larping D&D bullshit or is there some true mechanism there? And you got to decide for yourself, really. And if it is real, then what does that mean? Like these things we see the elite do and invest their time into, they must have an effect, right? Or why would they do them? Mentioned the Kardashians. There was this thing the other day. It was one of the Kardashians is dating an F1 racer. Not my world, but there was a scandal where she picked up one of the other racers towels, like sweat towel, and like dabbed her forehead and put it back. And you're not supposed to do that person's towel. You know, you don't mess with. It's like, you know, on the basketball court, you don't take someone else's towel or whatever.

Steve

Well, you're a Kardashian, so who cares?

Greg

Yeah, I guess you do. You do what you want. But this person who was apparently a very good racer, did not place in the race. And there's this theory that the Kardashians are a multi generational coven of witches. So I know it's crazy, but you think about. Think about how. How Kanye went off the rails and then think about this action that she. She did. She took this towel, dabbed herself, and then like the energy of this, the towel transfer, this person did not place in the race. So is magic real? Are there people who use it and anyone who uses it because it does require an academic study? I mean, I could have brought these books. I just bought them because I got super curious. But these two books that are 800 pages each, the history of the occult and grimoire magic, I mean, it is a deep study and these things are written at a high level. This isn't Harry Potter shit. It could all mean nothing. But you can't say it. It's easy to get into. It's very dense study. So anyone who gets deep into it to the point that they can use magic with any kind of real talent, they know not to talk about it. So are they. Are the Kardashians witches? I don't know. They seem pretty successful at life. What is magic supposed to do?

Steve

Man, I hope they're witches.

Greg

I do. I do.

Steve

Not really.

Greg

Well, I don't really care. They're not part of my life.

Steve

If I knew they were witches, I'd probably watch more of their stuff.

Greg

It's hard to say, but I think magic is real.

Steve

What is magic? How do you define magic?

Greg

Well, Gordon used to say it's a probability enhancer. Some people say it is making changes in consciousness that can be seen in the outside world.

Steve

This is why the making changes in consciousness that can manifest in the outside world.

Greg

Yeah. Because again, it gets really deep into what is your concept of reality itself? Is it primarily hard matter or is it primarily consciousness?

Patreon Host

Right.

Greg

If it's primarily consciousness and we operate within a shared dream. Well, in your dreams, you can make changes that are pretty radical. That wouldn't really apply to what we consider consensus reality. But what if some of that can spill over? What if this is a shared dream and our belief that it is real and solid is the thing that makes it so. And you can maybe you can push on that a little bit. I mean, what's remote viewing? Remote viewing is real. I think you would agree, Right. We've been far enough to see that's real.

Steve

So why would the military spend so much money on it if it wasn't real?

Greg

Right. So scale that up. Astral projection is real. People do it all the time.

Steve

It's funny you say that, dude. I was just listening to a podcast this morning with Jesse Michaels and this dude, this kid who was a part of this gate program.

Greg

Yes.

Steve

When he was young, he literally got pulled out. He was like, really advanced for his age in. I want to say he was probably seven or nine, something like that, so fourth or fifth grade maybe. And he got pulled out, had a psychiatrist that he was talking to or a psychologist that he was talking to in school and told all these stories how he eventually got pulled out a public school for a period of years, went to this special place called the Bakersville Something Institute or whatever it was on Jesse Michael's latest video. It's incredible. And basically it was like stranger things in real life. It sounded exactly like the Montauk Project stuff where they're trying to figure out his consciousness. They think there's something about prepubescent kids that have this. Certain kids this young have this ability to whatever this. Do this magic stuff you're talking about and, like, manipulate reality with their consciousness or manipulate the material world with their consciousness.

Greg

The gate program is a huge rabbit hole. I interviewed Whitley Strieber, you know, big UFO guy, real communion and everything. And when we got to talking, he made some offhanded comment about being taken to some school like that. And I was like, hold on, let's drill down on that. And he elaborated. It's a similar story with a lot of people Especially the GATE program. Because when they did this, we didn't have the Internet. But now you can go to Reddit and you can find like X Gate kids talking about their experience together. Some of them were made to drink a pink liquid. Many of them don't have any memories.

Steve

This kid was talking about that.

Greg

Yeah. Some people think the pink, the pink liquid was radiation exposure. To see how they would deal with radiation exposure.

Steve

Didn't Bob Lazar drink that same shit too?

Greg

He says. I think he says he does. He did. Dean Raiden was just on Rogan. Rogan not long ago. And this is it.

Steve

This is the video I was talking about, right? On Jordan Jozak, on Jesse Mike.

Greg

That's a new name for me. So when Dean Raiden was on Rogan, he went off on how the Crusades and all that. Yes, we know that they wanted Catholicism to be, well, Christianity to be the dominant thing.

Steve

Right.

Greg

They went around the third world, killed all the indigenous people, destroyed their belief systems. Well, Dean went a little bit deeper and he said what they were doing was knocking out people who had that psychic ability. They wanted to monopolize not just spirituality, but baseline consciousness. And anyone who had these effects, they wanted to wipe them out. So that's why I get back into like what is the unadulterated natural world. I don't really like the Matrix language, but what else is there? So there's an industrial overlay over what the natural world is. And that's basically the world we all live in. And we don't really engage with the natural world that much, but it seems like mechanisms of consciousness that can affect reality are baked right into our own heads. And you can't get rid of our heads, but what can you do? Yeah, a centuries long campaign to destroy our knowledge of it, to hide all that knowledge and to keep us distracted all day. I mean, how many hours of the day are we staring at a screen now? And it just keeps going, right? It started with, I mean, who knows exactly where it started, but you have radio, the family's all sitting around. Radio get TV sucks up more time. Internet sucks up more time. Social media now it's almost never ending. No one takes the time to meditate and see what it's all about. No one takes the time to see if they can push up on reality a little bit. They win. This is a paid message from GoFundMe. Meet Juan Naola. When his son was hospitalized for a viral infection, Juan started a GoFundMe to pay for medical expenses.

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Greg

People really trust on GoFundMe. How did Juan raise $5,000 in less than a day?

Steve

He posted a short video on GoFundMe

Greg

telling his story in 30 seconds.

Patreon Host

30 seconds. Be specific, be quick and tell what

Greg

are you going to be using the funds for. I was nervous to do it because it doesn't feel okay to ask money. But you shouldn't be nervous.

Patreon Host

Sometimes you just have to do it

Greg

and see the results. We were able to save my son's life thanks to gofundme that we still

Patreon Host

have my son with us.

Greg

Start your GoFundMe today at gofundme.com that's gofundme.com gofundme.com this message reflects one person's experience because you can't like same with abundance. You know, we were talking about this at dinner. I've been working on this, like, solo show. I was going to call it the Higher side Guide to Life because so many people present the conspiracy archetype as like a negative thing. You'll drive yourself crazy. You end up hung in the garage or something. I think if you're getting closer to truth, it should add value to your life. It should improve your life. Right. And I was kind of determined to make that case. But I think the value is of conspiracy culture overall is you find out that they're always lying to us about pretty much everything, and then you kind of disengage your attention from it and engage in the natural world, which is built more for happiness and abundance. You go outside, anywhere in Florida, greenery, everywhere, right? None of it produces food that's a little fucked up. It all could, you know, there could. All this stuff that we see out there could be food producing. It just isn't. Isn't that interesting. So to me, the power is in the abundance of the natural world and consciousness. The two things people don't really know much about at all. I'm 40 years old. I don't think any of my friends have ever eaten a fruit off of. Off a plant directly. You know, it's pretty rare, especially when they plant it themselves. And, you know, I sent him some data.

Patreon Host

The.

Greg

The four things I've learned since I moved to Florida a couple years ago. Four easiest things to grow, Barbados cherry, cranberry, hibiscus, mulberries, and java tacobas. Three of those things I never heard of about two years ago. But then you look them up and the nutrient content in these Things is far greater than their comparisons that are available in the grocery store. Mulberry has more vitamin C than blueberries or raspberries by far. The Barbados cherry is basically a Brazilian grape. It grows on the trunk. It's weird. It has more nutrient content than a traditional grape. If you look at the Barbados cherry, I mean, it is off the charts. He's got the numbers there somewhere. But compare it to a Bing cherry. It's night and day. So isn't it interesting that the easiest things for me to grow are 2 or 3x the nutrient content of the things available in the grocery store, if they were even of good quality. And it cost me nothing. I mean, it cost me 100 bucks to get some plants and put them in the ground.

Patreon Host

Right.

Greg

Nobody has ground. Everybody's in these apartments. They've done everything they can. It's just an incremental. Keep us away from the natural world and keep us away from the inner world of developing our consciousness.

Steve

Well, also, we're in Florida. We're surrounded by water and we're surrounded by wildlife. We have. There's tons of. There's tons of wildlife around here. Whether you want to go to the Everglades or want to go to, like, the middle of Florida. And we're surrounded by ocean. We have. There's tons of fish, tons of stuff in the ocean here. And it's like, it's an abundance of stuff that you can get naturally out of from the earth that you don't have to buy at Publix.

Greg

Yes, it's true. And so this is the best example. The Barbados cherry. Look at the vitamin C line compared to a Bing cherry. 1600 plus milligrams of vitamin C versus A Bing cherry, 7 to 10.

Patreon Host

Wow.

Greg

This is something I grow in my yard that my kids eat. You can't get it.

Steve

What is a Bing cherry?

Greg

Just a standard cherry.

Steve

This is the stuff you buy at the grocery store.

Greg

Yeah, something. It's in your cocktail.

Steve

Okay.

Greg

It's just pretty much a standard cherry. We can probably.

Steve

You can grow the Barbados ones here.

Greg

Yes. The frost it up pretty hard. But even look at the vitamin A line. 38 micrograms.

Steve

I don't know what that is, but way less potassium. Well, Bing's better for heart, health, and blood pressure. Interesting.

Greg

Yeah. You know, and it's not going to be one to one, but if vitamin C is important, as they say.

Steve

Yeah, look at that.

Greg

I mean, you eat one Barbados cherry, how many Bings would you have to eat to get that much vitamin c? So that one, look at that one. Barbados cherry is a thousand, is 1,800% of your daily value. So this is something you cannot get and most people don't know exists. I put it in the ground and it yielded 200 of them.

Steve

Right?

Greg

To me. This is where conspiracy mind, the conspiracy mindset should lead people. I, I've been toying around with the term green pill, but I'm so sick of the pilled stuff. The red pill, the black pill. Yeah, but you know, I'm green pilled now, where I really do think that

Steve

turned into a real hippie.

Greg

Well, what more do I need to know about 911 or Covid, you know, what more do I need to know? This, this actually has value to me, right. You know, If I unpack 911 to the, to the point that it's like, is it nanothermite or is Dr. Judy Wood right? What difference does it make to my kids lives and the lives of my family? This makes a fucking difference totally. Both of them are things we're not supposed to talk about. Or I mean, you could say that no one cares if we talk about this, but it's clearly not taught in school. It's clearly not available to us in the matrix world. And this is one of the things. So. And I even did some research on other areas because I grew up in the Midwest and I knew people would listen and say, well, I mean, that's Florida. Okay, well the pawpaw was what Native Americans grew more than anything else. We don't have that anymore. It also has a crazy high vitamin nutrient content. Also, there's another slide. That's because I looked up what are the most common things that grow easily in the Midwest that are not common, commonly available in stores. And I got like four different berries I'd never heard of. And then I compared them to blackberries and blueberries. Sure enough, more nutrients. And it's like, what the hell? What is that right? To me, that's, that's the big conspiracy. They definitely want us weaker. Fluoride in the water, EMFs everywhere, glyphosate on all of our food. You know, it's all trash. And that's the other thing. I'm comparing glyphosate free organic food picked right off the vine to stuff in a shipping container that's been sitting there for two weeks that ends up in your grocery store. Even organic stuff is covered in preservative things. So there's another slide in there where it's like, so there's a lot of esoteric Nutritionists who talk about the spiritual energy in the plant and all this. I don't know about that, but even conventionally speaking, when you pick something from the tree, it starts losing its new nutrient content. Right. Then very quickly, if it's been sitting in transit and then on the shelf, and then you buy it and then you take it home, and then it still sits on your counter a few days. Based on some of these estimates, in a week, it's easy to. Easy for it to have lost 30% of its nutrient content.

Patreon Host

Right.

Greg

So we need to start picking our fruit. We got to start. We got to start planting our stuff and picking it up.

Steve

Yep.

Greg

You know, why do you need to be online anymore? That's. That's the thing is, I feel like after 15 years, I know that the system won't change. Another thing Gordon used to say is, what makes you think you get to fight Sauron? You know, like, he loved Lord of the Rings, but he's like, a lot of us are the Bilbo Baggins. What does Bilbo do? You know, you make small changes in your area that have outsized impacts that change the. Feels, the positive field.

Steve

Yeah.

Greg

And I kind of believe that, like, I'm not going to get to confront the Rothschilds directly. That's okay. I don't need to.

Steve

Yeah. There's also, like, you know, even if you go to a place like Costa Rica and you get the bananas, they have grocery stores there. You can buy bananas, mangoes, all those fruits, whatever, you buy them, they're literally going bad the next day, maybe two days later. Right. You can leave those same fruits that you buy at Publix here in Florida on your countertop. And they're good for a week, two weeks, I know even longer sometimes. And that doesn't happen over there because they. They're not freaking juicing them up with all these preservatives and shit.

Greg

So I think that matters a lot. It's a little boring to talk about permaculture and food, but it's like, this has value. You'll. How many podcasts will you hear about fluoride in the water? You know, you can spend thousands of hours. You'll never hear people talk about this, but look right there, day 8 to 14, 30 to 50% loss in fragile vitamins. I believe there's also something in here. It says, oh, yeah, at the bottom. Vitamin C. Which nutrients disappear first? Vitamin C. Interesting. Oxidation causes it to lose its impact very, very quickly.

Steve

Right.

Greg

B vitamins as well.

Steve

Yeah.

Greg

There is no. You can't put that in a pill. I don't believe. You know, if you look at how they discovered that, by the way, like, all these people were getting scurvy, right? So they looked at the oranges and fruit and like, oh, they have a vitamin C deficiency. Well, how did they determine that? If you look at the literature, so say some of the naturopaths that I listen to, they determined it by cutting up the orange, taking out the parts, spinning them in a centrifuge, mixing them with formaldehyde, using various dyes so that you could see them under the microscope. Because you can't see living, like things under the microscope very easily unless they're heavily manipulated. And so then they said, oh, that thing, that little squiggle right there, we're gonna call that vitamin C. And that is why oranges are healthy. It's like, actually, maybe it's the whole orange. Maybe there isn't one thing in the orange you can take out and put in a pill and sell on a shelf. You just gotta eat the fucking orange.

Steve

That's a good point, man.

Greg

So to me, this is just. This is where I'm at now. I've got an acre of land, I moved out of California. Gotta move out of California. Can't be a conspiracy guy living in California.

Steve

Depends what part of California you're in.

Greg

Yeah, that's true, but I came out here to get more land and to try to dip my toe into these waters. And it's going quite well. Like I said, like the four things that have been easiest to grow. Moringa is another one. Moringa. You can buy powdered moringa, but you cannot buy fresh moringa.

Steve

Interesting.

Greg

Yeah. So here's. Here's moringa. Or no, this is mulberry.

Steve

What is moringa?

Greg

Moringa is a green. So I compared moringa to kale and spinach. So look at the protein line of fresh moringa. Look at the iron line, the calcium and the vitamin C. Vitamin C. You don't eat your greens for vitamin C necessarily. That's your fruits. But on protein, iron and calcium, it's winning. And where is it? In the grocery store?

Steve

Right.

Greg

Again, you can buy it powdered, you can add it to your smoothies. But if we're going to talk about the nutrient loss over time, do you think powdering it helps? You know, my kids go out and they strip a thing of moringa and they pop it in their mouth. I think that's good for them. I'm just. I'm doing what I can because again, the bilbo Baggins thing. Like, we aren't going to beat the system. We aren't going to topple it. All you can do is find a way to get yourself off the teat of the system. Because we all know the phrase, you don't bite the hand that feeds. If you're dependent on the system, what kind of critic can you truly be?

Patreon Host

Right?

Greg

So that's kind of my attitude now, is if I want to criticize the system, I need to wean myself off of it. It's not easy. I'm definitely not a farmer. It's not in my nature at all.

Steve

Right?

Greg

But doing what I can.

Steve

Well, I mean, Greg, a lot of people in this country, they can't afford fruits and vegetables from the grocery store, especially for, you know, fresh stuff. So the government is going to be kind enough to offer us a free, universal, worldwide vaccine that will cover all this stuff. So we don't need to do that.

Greg

Got to vaccinate the astronauts.

Steve

March yourself and your children into the low, into your local clinic, and you can get this vaccine and it'll solve all of your problems.

Greg

Amen. I mean, it's easy to believe that, right? Another thing about the conspiracy mindset, and what did bother me for a long time, is when you have your initial wake up moment and you're like, oh, everything is bullshit. Money isn't real. It's all built on debt. How if the banks print the money and every loan is given out at interest, who has that interest? Only the banks print the money. So you're in debt always. Which means they got you by the balls and they're gonna make the decisions, major decisions in your life. It's gonna be about trying to get out of the musical chair system that is debt. Well, back in that day, I was a GameStop store manager. There was no shot for me. I had quit my job or I mean, I had quit school, dropped out of college. I had. I was. Retail management only was my resume. I had to throw a fucking Hail Mary. I started the podcast because I was like, the only way for me to find success, the way I determine it, which is really like, no, boss, wake up when I want to decide what I do tomorrow and make enough money that I don't care about the bills, really, I got to do it myself. There's no one who was going to hire me into that position of success the way I deemed it.

Steve

Right?

Greg

And then what I learned is, like, Americans are bred to be consumers. Give them something to consume. You know, I can't believe how Successful the podcast has been. And it's because I did not know. Because unless you produce something, you don't know how eager people might be to buy it, you know, hypothetically. But I knew I ran a two million dollar store and they paid me $35,000 a year to run it. That's crazy.

Steve

That is crazy.

Greg

So you got to get out of that. So there's so many people there. And that's what would bother me is I would say ignorance is bliss because we got our friends that are working at similar shitty jobs, but they're happy. It's like, I would resent that. I would get envious. Like, man, I wish I could just do this job and be happy. Wouldn't that be nice? It's a lot easier than trying to throw a fucking Hail Mary and make something work for myself.

Steve

Right?

Greg

That's that. That's that ignorance. Why? When you awaken to a lot of that bullshit, the economic stuff, it gets kind of scary because now you are in a position where if you want to find happiness, you have to extract yourself from that. It's hard to do. Not everyone can start a podcast. I mean, apparently they can. You know, 15 years ago, I felt saturated already. Now it's truly saturated.

Steve

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

Greg

But now the. The other side is, I would not tell everyone to start a podcast, but I would say you can align yourself with some of these naturally abundant things and make a pretty good living. I know someone who has a nursery because if you grow a mulberry plant, you can cut off parts of it, put them in pots, and then they'll grow and then you sell them and it just keeps doing. It keeps regenerating. So you can keep doing that. Biochar is a popular thing. You've probably heard the theory that the Amazon was actually cultivated. It's not just a natural thing.

Steve

Right. They've looked at Liza Graham Hancock thing, right?

Greg

Sure. They look at, you know, all these kind of different radars and they find that there is a method to the madness, that when you look at the rubble, which is where old cities and structures used to be, it's more dense there, implying that that was cultivated rather than just a random distribution through the jungle.

Steve

So, right.

Greg

What they found is terra preta is what?

Steve

Right.

Greg

That's biochar. It's basically just biomass burned. And you know, you do some stuff to it and. And then it's like. It's like ash and you put that in the soil and it works really well. Biochar at the nursery, I go to is 900 a cubic yard. Anyone could make it with lawn clippings and tree trimmings and the food scraps you have. So if you have a backyard and you get a big metal drum, you could start a biochar company off of trash and probably make 100 grand a year. You could, like I said, you could trim off the twigs that aren't going to go anywhere. Take your tree trimmings from your fruit producing trees, put them in the ground, go to the farmer's market and you could get started that way. There are paths to making really good money that involve engaging with nature. And this archetype of the poor farmer doing the backbreaking work, barely getting by miserable life, one harvest away from complete absolute ruin that was injected into us for a reason. The earth is abundant and it wants, it's like, help me help you. It really wants to help. I just interviewed Joel Saladin, who's like one of the most famous farmers there is. Polyphase Farm is his big thing. He talked about Azita Baxter, a bacteria that it pulls nitrogen from the air for you into the soil. If there's 8% organic matter in the soil, it just, it emerges out of, out of nothing. And it is a living bacteria that pulls nitrogen down from the air.

Steve

It emerges out of nothing.

Greg

Well, that how the Amazon get there. I mean, you set the conditions right and things emerge right. You know, it's, it's a weird thing, but there is a magical quality to setting the conditions right. And then things come. It's like the chicken or egg question really, like how did we get it? How did it start? It emerged. So this bacteria tends to emerge and it fixes the nitrogen in the soil for you. One of the main things you need in healthy soil, there is almost no soil that has 8% organic material in it. You're looking at 2% tops in most areas. So he's cultivated his land over a couple decades and now it's working for him. It's like a snowball effect.

Steve

Where is it?

Greg

I believe it's in Kentucky or Tennessee, somewhere near Appalachia area. But when you look at the Amazon as an example, it is abundance on steroids because someone got the ball rolling and those people aren't even there anymore. And you look at it and you're like, what the hell is that? There's species that exist there that exist nowhere else on earth. Many thousands. How is that possible? What is the relationship between magic and the natural world? And how do things emerge? Is it all just evolution? Is it all just cross breeding and this and that. I don't know. I don't think that justifies and explains everything you see in the Amazon, right? So I used to get stoned and watch these Planet Earth things about the mating rituals of birds. It's insane. It is Avatar. It is like Avatar. So I think some of that can be brought back. Our ground is dead. Because they knew. It's just like, you kill off the people who have any spirituality outside of the paradigm. You kill off the people who have any talent in the realm of consciousness and magic, and you destroy the land. And it's increasing in. It's an attack that keeps increasing. So you kill the land and you take people off of it economically. So many people can't afford land. I had to come to Florida to do it. Luckily, I have a job where I can live wherever I want. But I couldn't have had an acre of land in California. Probably couldn't have afforded it. I paid 35,000 in income tax to the state of Florida, the same salary I used to make at GameStop.

Steve

Wow.

Greg

I couldn't in good conscience let that happen every year, right? With the kids. I couldn't just. My kids. And you have, you know, you have kids too. It's like, what did the next 30 years look like for these kids?

Steve

Yeah, it's hard to know, right?

Greg

We gotta. We have to be prepared to help them out in ways that, like, we probably didn't need to be helped or even our parents didn't need to be helped. The big thing about boomers is, like, why can't you just pull yourself up by your bootstraps where you had every opportunity in the world handed to you.

Steve

Right?

Greg

You know, why are people quiet quitting? Why is Gen Z not working? Are they lazy or have they divested? Because they're like, fuck all that.

Steve

Yeah, the Amazon's very interesting.

Greg

It is.

Steve

You know, we've. I've had people on here who live in the Amazon who explain it being like a whole, not like living in a whole nother dimension. Because when you go down there and you're just surrounded by all the millions and millions of beating hearts, from the insects to the birds to the monkeys to everything else, it, like, unlocks this, like, buried, hidden sense that you. That we have inside of us, where we're just like. Like our intuitions sort of like really come online when you're there. And it's interesting because it's so disconnected from the modern world, from technology, from everything else. And, like, you're grounded in Nature maybe like the true reality of what this is. And, and he explains like every time he comes back to New York, he gets depressed and he misses the Amazon is like, fuck yeah, this sucks. Yeah.

Greg

The electrification of the big cities is a whole nother thing too. Like they've really driven us, they've domesticated us and driven us into the pens and they're going to get worse too. Now people are like rallying against 15 minute cities. Right?

Steve

Yeah.

Greg

It's like you're already there.

Steve

Right.

Greg

What, what are you so worried about? That's really much different from the way you live now.

Steve

Yeah.

Greg

Publix will be closer. Isn't that good? If you consider Publix the good place to get food, which it is not. If you consider it a good place to get food, why not make it closer?

Steve

Right.

Greg

So I think a lot of people, they get paranoid about the new incremental movements in the big conspiracy, when really all that attention should just be spent to divesting from it. Because it's either going to get better or worse. If it's going to get worse, what are you going to do to make your life better? It's all it is.

Steve

Right. But that's progress. That's how we define progress.

Patreon Host

Right.

Steve

Is more safety, more. It's more fail safes for us. We don't have to fear as much. It's more of like a comfort for, for normal everyday people. Right.

Greg

Sure. You got to sell it somehow.

Steve

Yeah. That's how they buy it though.

Greg

That is the sales pitch. And the, the alternative is that living in a rural area and, and doing all the work yourself is really hard. It is, but I mean, you've had guests that talk about grounding. You have had guests that talk about the value of natural sunlight. What are you doing when you move a wheelbarrow of dirt from one yard of the one side of the yard to the other, you know?

Steve

Right.

Greg

We can't all look like you. I'm skinny and fat at the same time. I'm working on it though. I'm working on it.

Patreon Host

Okay.

Steve

Well, yeah, no, I mean, I mean the natural sunlight is very important and with like the advancement of, or I don't know if you call it an advancement, but with like the explosion of these, these gig economy workers that are just like sitting at their laptops in their house all day, taking random jobs to get them through the week or through the month or whatever and never having to go because they live in like a huge building and they're stuck in a little apartment that's really bad. And I had this girl, Alexis Cowan explained to me that that's like the same thing as like what happens to the orcas at Sea World when they're not out in the, in the ocean and they're stuck in these little pens. They literally go crazy.

Greg

Yes.

Steve

They go psychologically insane. And that's the same thing that happens to humans when they're not experiencing the normal circadian rhythm.

Greg

Yes. And I'm so glad you said that because another thought that I've been on lately is when you see boomers that are out there, like with their, on their lawn and they're looking at every little blade of grass and they're getting the corner and they're making sure there's not a dandelion there, which is actually, you know, very nutritious and healthy for you, but making sure there's no weeds, making sure it's all pristine. I one time in Vegas, went to the Siegfried and Roy place where they keep all their big cats. It smelled like pissed. There was areas where it was like beaten into the ground, where these big cats just run this track back and forth, back and forth, back and forth. They are psychologically damaged. They are a wild animal that has been caged and domesticated against its will. That's what I think of the boomer who's doing that with his lawn. You are supposed to be a steward of the earth. You are supposed to be cultivating abundance for everyone around you by engaging with the earth and everything around you. And because your brain is broken, you're just growing grass and you're making sure that the grass is nice. It's a pathology in my, in my mind. In my mind.

Steve

That's a fucking good observation.

Greg

It was only when I started working with the land and thinking about this whole thing, like Jim Gale, a couple other people I've interviewed, they talk about how many acres of grass and lawn is being grown compared to food producing land. It's insane. Everyone should just scrap the lawn and plant fruit trees and fruit bushes, but the hoas won't let you again. At every turn, there is a mechanism to keep you from actually engaging with nature and from consciousness. They can't cut off your head, but they will do everything else to keep you from engaging with your inner world and having outsized effects. But yeah, the domesticated boomer is a fun thing to think about. Just because it's like it's a pathology. You're, you're obsessing over something, but there's something in your subconscious that knows you should engage with the landscape.

Steve

Yeah.

Greg

But it's manifesting itself in absolutely the wrong way. And it is like a caged animal.

Steve

It is, it's very. That's a very good analogy. That's hilarious actually.

Greg

I like it.

Steve

Going back to the Amazon stuff, can you find Steve, what the conventional explanation is for the terra preta in the Amazon? Because the whole idea of the Amazon being man made, that's not accepted. Right. That's kind of like a Graham Hancock conspiracy theory that he's come up with.

Greg

I don't know anymore.

Steve

I've heard so many people go back and forth on this. I don't know like what the accepted narrative is.

Greg

I think it's somewhat accepted now. I think again, I just don't know. I'm so deep in it, man. I don't know what regular people think anymore.

Steve

Right. It's okay. It's the highly fertile man made. Oh wow.

Greg

Enriched soil created by pre Columbian indigenous populations. The American B in the Amazon basin

Steve

form between 450 and 950 CE.

Greg

There you go. Organic waste including charcoal, biochar, animal bones and food scraps. Now once you get it cooking, there's biomass all the time, just like kind of replenishing the soil. When I had our, I mean we were installing our own food forest and then we got some help and they installed some things that don't grow, that don't produce food. And his whole thing was, oh, this is chop and drop. What you want to do is just come through with a machete, chop it, it'll regrow. Just chop it, throw it on the ground and like, let's fix the sandy Florida soil. You got to get the, you got to get organic material on the soil.

Steve

Right.

Greg

Because it's all dead. So this will take years and it'll probably be my life's accomplishment to get one acre of land somewhat fertile and then I'll die.

Steve

Well, at least your kids will have it.

Greg

Yeah, I told them they're not allowed to sell anything. We are acquiring land in this family and you never sell it because what are you going to get? A couple hundred grand? It goes fast, right? The land. This is, this is what we're doing.

Steve

The biggest problem with Florida is the toll roads. Like one of the big, like the toll roads they're trying to build between interstate from coast to coast because they're, they're blocking off the, the natural wildlife corridors that exist here. Because it's so obviously because Florida is like this narrow pathway from south to north. The wildlife, they have to Be able to navigate, like, during different seasons, like from. They. They migrated from the top of Florida back down to the bottom towards the Everglades. And when they have all these toll roads and stuff, you're blocking them off because. And there's. There's constantly being more toll roads and more huge subdivisions with like thousands of cookie cutter homes being proposed to be installed in the middle of Florida in between all these toll roads.

Greg

Yeah.

Steve

It's insane.

Greg

It is.

Steve

And, and you know, that's. That's one of the big issues with Ron DeSantis, the governor of Florida right now. And what he's been. He's been doing, like, to his credit, like, one of the few things you can say that's good about him is that, you know, besides the COVID stuff, is that he's actually been working with some of the activists to get. To stop these toll roads and to. And another thing that they did was a lot of the. The cattle ranchers in Florida, like the native cattle ranchers who own this, like hundreds and hundreds of acres of cattle ranches, they were getting huge offers from real estate developers to basically, you know, these people were like third, fourth generation cattle. They got handed this land right from their great great grandparents. So like, they may not live here anymore. They may not. May not. They may be leasing it out to like, other farms and they're getting like multi million dollar, hundreds of millions of dollars offers from real estate developers to develop their land and sell their cattle ranches. And what I think Ron DeSantis implemented. I could be wrong. Make sure it was him. But basically what got passed in Florida is that now Florida will pay those cattle ranchers, like a huge amount of money to not sell it to real estate developers, so that now they're incentivized to not sell it. Which is great.

Patreon Host

It is.

Greg

But I don't love that move either because it requires tax dollars. It's a subsidy kind of. And they're not using the land the right way. It's better than nothing. It's better than a high.

Steve

Better than sending it to Israel.

Greg

It's better than a toll. Or China's buying up our farmland. Appare. They say so.

Steve

Yeah, but isn't our government. I mean, I heard the Florida government or the. We're giving Florida taxpayer dollars to Israel, like as donations.

Greg

Oh, yeah. I mean, federal dollars as well.

Patreon Host

Uhhuh.

Greg

Yes.

Steve

Is this it?

Patreon Host

Okay.

Steve

Controversial solar road expansion championed by DeSantis, originally conceived as McOr's to. Oh, this is the toll road stuff.

Greg

So we've covered Toll roads. We covered growing food. What other should we talk about? The weather? What else will get people to get off of this thing?

Steve

Bro, a lot of people. Hurricanes were CIA weather. Oh yeah. Weapons.

Greg

Yeah, sure bro.

Steve

I had literally when those, we had those last two hurricanes two years ago or a year and a half ago, whenever it was when those Helene and Milton came through and like flooded the out of us, I would talk to maybe like 5 or 6 of my norm, Normie everyday family members who aren't into any crazy conspiracy stuff. And they all thought the CIA sent these hurricanes to Florida.

Greg

That's good. You know one of the craziest things about Dr. Judy Wood's work, you know she is the one who wrote where did the Towers Go? It is a great like college level textbook full of full color images about the wreckage of the Twin Towers. She, her whole argument is look at the actual wreckage and there are things going on in the wreckage that are way beyond belief. Two planes did not knock down those buildings because why are there fused metals and why are there just all kinds of bizarre stuff? She has her own terminology. And when you look at it, when you flip through the pictures and you're like, yeah, there's some weird stuff going on in the wreckage. What did they do with the wreckage? They got it out of there as soon as they could, right? There were all these stories like they're putting it on barges to China. Get it out of there. That's another thing about conspiracy.

Steve

What did they do with all of it?

Greg

They got it out of there.

Steve

Where? Do you know where they put it?

Greg

I don't, but I know that you're not supposed to, you're not supposed to fuck with a crime scene. But yet in the case of Charlie Kirk, in the case of 9 11, they fuck with a crime scene, they cover it up and obscure it as fast as they can. Why? Because the evidence of what happened is there. But with Dr. Judy Wood, that morning there were weathermen in New York talking about a hurricane that was headed their way and the hurricane unprecedentedly spun off out into the ocean. Why this is important is because on 9, 11, the morning of. And why this is important is Judy Wood says that the field based technology that they used to take down the Twin Tower, she calls it dustification, they didn't just fall, they like literally turn to dust. This field effect technology affects hurricanes. So when they employed it over the World Trade center complex, it's almost like, like a magnet pushed the hurricane out to the ocean. No one talks about the hurricane because two Buildings fell that day. Well, more than that. But the point is it is a bit of circumstantial evidence to try to wrap your head around what really took the Twin Towers down. If it's. If a technology that is not public took them down, it's going to be very hard to figure out. Right? And that's what I think happened. Because this abundance stuff, it's not just food. There's been. I mean, I brought these notes because the main thing I didn't want to forget was all these people who have stumbled across abundance in a technological sense, a scientific sense, ether physics. Stanley Meyer got cars to run on water. There's a. And all these people, they either die prematurely, they have their labs and work destroyed, they have their patents purchased, and they get scammed out of the company. It's the same play. It's the same play as getting us off of. Yeah, China buys tons of scrap metal. And that was like right away they. They got it the hell out of there. Look, January 26th, I mean that's even a little outdated. My understanding is the very week of 9 11, instead of analyzing everything and looking for the dead bodies and doing all the things you did, they got that the hell out of there. And 9 11, the ground zero area, it bubbled and boiled for like a week after. Did two planes do that? Two planes did that, huh? Makes no fucking sense. The thing is they lie to us about everything. And that's really. I think you're better off starting from that position. I wore this hat as a fun little thing, I think when you were on Rogan, you said you got to be a real fucking idiot to believe that the moon landing is fake.

Steve

Right, right, right. I was being real fucking joking. I was.

Greg

Well, yeah.

Steve

Anyone who believes that is automatically painted as a fool.

Greg

Fair. Well, that's good. I mean, I am a fool and I'm fine with it because I just think that the default. That would be like the one example. If you believe that the Apollo missions are what they are and take them at face value, it'd be the one example where a military adjacent organization, because I think we can all say NASA's military adjacent. Did they ever display their best technology live on tv? Pretty, pretty rare for that to happen. But they did it then. And then they broadcasted it live. I have to look this up every other month. My memory is. My memory is shot from the weed

Steve

you have to sell yourself every other month.

Greg

I cannot believe that. The official story is that the Apollo moon landing where they walked on the moon was actually live broadcast from the moon. I have to remind myself, because it's such an outrageous thing.

Steve

It's outrageous.

Greg

Absolutely not true. People still believe it because they want to, but it would be also the one example. They lied to us about COVID They lied to us about 9, 11, World War II. There's some questions to be asked, but they were honest about the moon landing operation Northwoods. That was for the good of mankind. And we are totally genuine and authentic in our presentation of it. I don't believe it.

Steve

And it looks the most real.

Greg

Oh, it looked. Yeah, it looks.

Steve

Just looks so real. Right?

Greg

But that's the thing is, I think the. Where the conspiracy community should be focused is on these inventors who had a better concept for natural abundance. Again, it's not just the soil, but the air too. Ether is real. I've done electric culture experiments, which is so simple. But it's just a copper rod that wraps around a wooden dowel and you stick it in the ground and it draws etheric energy from the air into the soil, and your plants grow better. I don't know why it's real, though. And there's been people who have created devices that harness etheric energy. I really do think that there's a story to be told that connects alcohol prohibition, reefer madness and the Hindenburg. So strange, right? Have you ever heard the alcohol prohibition conspiracy? The alternative take?

Steve

Remind me.

Greg

So the official story is that all these little housewives were just upset about how drunk their husbands were getting. So they went out there and grassroots campaign and they championed it and they got alcohol off the market because people were getting too drunk. That's the official story of prohibition, that it was about drinking. Right. And then we hear these alternative stories of, like, the mob got into it, right? Speakeasies and all this.

Steve

I thought the mob stuff was accepted.

Greg

Well, it is accepted, but. But the point is that it's always framed as based on drinking, right? No, it was a competition for oil, alcohol. Cars could run on alcohol. Farmers could take their chicken, or I keep saying chicken because we give our kitchen scraps to our chickens. But you could take your kitchen scraps, ferment them in a bin, create alcohol and run your own tractor, run your own car, Run your own. They took that away with prohibition. That was what it was about. The government doesn't give a fuck if you drink yourself dead. They don't give a fuck. But we've been sold this lie that it was all about drinking and that these nice little housewives with no power whatsoever somehow Accomplished something because that's rah rah America. They were funded by Rockefeller. It's pretty easy to look up that Rockefeller funded the temperance movement. That's the money. Why did he care? Because he makes money on oil. So prohibition was about keeping alcohol out of the market so we could have an oil only economy. Move on to reefer madness, move on to marijuana. Same exact story. I've grown weed in California. I know how easy it is. They call it weed for a reason. Grows so fast you can grow four crops a year in a spare bedroom. You should be able to make good money. I didn't know anyone who had money. So we just offset one of our own costs, you know what I mean? But it as a textile, it works great. It can replace plastics. It also worked as a fuel. I think one of the slides I gave is like a little infographic about Henry Ford. One of his early cars. Not only did it run on hemp, but it was made out of hemp and it was stronger than steel.

Steve

What?

Greg

Yeah. I couldn't believe it. My.

Steve

Do we have any evidence of car?

Greg

10 times. One of Henry Ford's first cars ran entirely on hemp ethanol and the body was constructed from hemp plastic. 10 times stronger than steel. So this again same story. They did not care about people smoking weed at all. They cared about this. So you have to find a way because another, another proof is that hemp and marijuana are not even the same. I mean they are. That's the male part of the plant. But hemp will not get you high, right? The female part of the plant gets you high, right? So why, why is hemp banned? Why did they lump hemp in it makes no logical sense unless you understand that.

Steve

I thought this has something to do with the printing press and what was the guy's name? William Randolph Hearst.

Greg

So the printing press obviously was way before that. But William Randolph Hearst is part of the story. He is a wealthy robber baron who owned a lot of redwoods. And of course the timber industry, the paper industry.

Steve

Paper, Right.

Greg

So another thing, I was reading this the other day. When they make paper, they call it wood pulp. Wood pulp has to involves a lot of a chemical processing. It's actually bad for your skin. It absorbs into people's skin. They use I think formaldehyde or arsenic, some crazy shit like that. So again, it's like the better product is the one you can grow in three months in your backyard. The better product is the one that the farmer can put the kitchen scraps in the like that's Right. But they, they could not win with a fair fight. They could not win in a free market. A bioplastic composite of hemp, soybeans, wheat straw and flax. Things people can grow.

Steve

Now what about the find? We, we know for a fact that they had alcohol powered cars.

Greg

Yes. I could have brought this big book that I have from David Bloom, the First cars. Yeah, well, ethanol, you hear about ethanol. You're right, it's used today. They brought it back after 100 years because they're like, okay, we'll pepper it in. But even so, there's even a conspiracy about lead and gasoline. So.

Steve

Right. I've heard this one.

Greg

Gasoline was a worse product than alcohol for fuel. But they added lead to it and it helped it become more stable or whatever.

Steve

The gas.

Greg

Yeah. That alone, leaded gasoline has killed millions of people breathing it in, being exposed to it. And then they just removed it later because alcohol was already off the market. Once you clear out the, the opposition, the alternatives, then you can be like, okay, fine, we'll bring it back. But just think about the damage and the autonomy lost of those two items. Just those two. You know, if we had our own people would value land if they knew what they could use it for, to grow their own stuff that they would just chop up and use as energy. So that alone is very interesting. Then you fold in the Hindenburg. People who have seen the images of the Hindenburg, it's a big fiery ball falling to the ground. So the Hindenburg, right? Yeah, the blimp. First off, if you look up, how many people died? It's not that many. It's like half the people jumped as it was coming down to the ground slowly, like a balloon. They jumped off and they were fine. Like majority of people. It's crazy that more people didn't die. It's not like a plane crash, plane goes down, you're dead.

Patreon Host

Right.

Greg

Why did they stop using zeppelins? 100% because of one crash. They don't do that with planes, they didn't do that with trains, they didn't do that with cars because it didn't run on oil. And in fact the Hindenburg, I can't remember. So most of the blimps at this time. So like sky cruises, Right. They were luxurious sky cruises and they were viable. They'd go across the ocean. It was just another form of travel. But it wasn't controlled by the oil only mafia. So at the time I believe it was helium that they used for blimps. Helium is non flammable. The US Government had a monopoly on helium and they refused to export it to Germany, who made the blimps. So the Germans said, fuck it, we're going to still use the blimps. We got to use the blimps. We built the blimps. We're using the blimps. So they decided to put hydrogen in the blimps instead. Hydrogen is flammable. So then there's reports of somebody who saw the Hindenburg that day. He said that he saw a spark, shoot at it. They shot an incinerary round and they shot it down and it lit on fire because they were using a fuel that they had to use because of the US Monopoly on helium. If they had been using helium, it never would have happened. Blimps can just take off like a helicopter. You don't need a giant airport that's government controlled. You don't need all this stuff. So again, our birthright, my buddy Schwab. Not buddy, but a guy I've interviewed a few times. He says they took us off the good timeline by all this stuff. So what are we looking at here? The model?

Steve

What do you got here, Steve?

Greg

Well, this just backs up what he's saying. Like cars originated as. As a. Ethanol powered. And then gasoline came up and then ethanol died because of prohibition. Yeah, right.

Steve

What is the connection, what is the link between is ethanol and alcohol?

Greg

Ethanol is just alcohol. Yeah, it's just alcohol as a fuel. It's corn. And now in today's world, it's corn. They say 10% ethanol. That means 10% fermented corn.

Patreon Host

What?

Greg

It could be 100% if we let Henry Ford's vision take hold. So here's another weird thing. Henry Ford. I own the book, but I haven't looked at it. You'd have to get the actual name of it. Henry Ford wrote a book about the Jews. Very, very negative book. I think it's called like the International Jew. And like, it's bold. Just the title is bold. Why did Henry Ford. That's the thing. I'm not anti semitic. I don't even care. But I'm interested in why this guy who's considered an American hero for the invention of the automobile. I'm interested in why he has such a problem with Jewish people to where he would, you know, billionaire. But he's still willing to risk the blowback of putting out a book like the International Jew. It's interesting. Why. Oh, there we go. It is the name of it. The world's. Yeah, the world's foremost problem put out in 1920. The international Jew, the World's Foremost Problem. That's bold.

Steve

This is his book.

Greg

That's bold. Henry. Yeah.

Steve

Where's the author? Steve?

Greg

Don't make me wrong.

Steve

Oh don't prove him wrong.

Greg

It's definitely written by him. I here.

Steve

It doesn't say the author on there.

Greg

I do just say. But I'm pretty sure they do this.

Steve

How would they show you a book? I've never seen a book without the author printed on that.

Patreon Host

Henry.

Greg

Yeah, it did say it. You're referring to. Is this anti Semitic?

Steve

They're making it very difficult.

Greg

Henry Ford. The copy I have has his name on the COVID but it was funded by Henry Ford. He wanted this book to be written.

Steve

Ford's publishing company compiled these defamatory weekly articles into four distinct bound volumes. The International Jew, the World's Foremost Problem. What else? Jewish Activities in the United States. Jewish Influences in American Life and Aspects of Jewish Power in the United States.

Greg

So what is he on about? I think what he's on about is the oil only oligarchy. I drove here afford God speed, you

Steve

know,

Greg

praise be to he. But the thing is is that he saw something going on. He saw mechanisms, moving forces beyond his power that were taking his invention and making it a cash cow for them. I find that interesting. So you can take prohibition, the legalization or illegalization of marijuana and the Hindenburg and all three of the same story, which is these were competitors to oil. The oil people are the bankers. The bankers and the oil people are the 13 bloodline Illuminati families. This is conspiracy in a nutshell. So what can we do? We could probably resurrect some of that technology a little bit. We could probably start trying to build things that run on alcohol only that you can make yourself. Now it is dangerous because like I said, I mean I got paperwork here that's just all these people who have done this stuff, some of them is not, it's not even super like esoteric. Some of it is esoteric where it's free energy devices that use ether physics. But other stuff is like here's a guy who found a cavitation device that would separate the H from the O and water and then it would, it could run for 200 miles a gallon or even just taking conventional oil and using a similar process to make conventional oil run 200 miles, a conventional gasoline run 200 miles per gallon. These people like they get wiped out.

Steve

Yeah, I've heard the story about the guy who created the water powered car and how he got assassinated at like a. Was it a cracker Barrel or something?

Greg

Yes, they. I just interviewed somebody who said it was a cracker barrel.

Steve

He was like poisoned by somebody.

Greg

His last words were they poisoned me.

Steve

Right.

Greg

He was meeting with people to talk about his technology in a restaurant. Got sick, walked the parking lot, died. Yeah, because this is the stuff you don't with like how much of the.

Steve

I always wonder like how much of these stories are just telephone game, you know, just like, just like the ancient religious stories like the Bible.

Greg

That's why I stacked the deck here. Because any one of these in isolation could be. I don't know.

Steve

Right.

Greg

But I mean I. Do you think that 30 of them are. Because the template's the same.

Steve

Right.

Greg

You know? John Andrews Navy Water fuel powder in 1917, Portuguese born inventor named John Andrews approached the US Navy claiming he could convert tap water into a 3 cent per gallon gasoline substitute using a proprietary chemical powder. He successfully demonstrated the fluid before Navy officials at the New York Navy Yard, running a motorboat engine, used his mixture entirely. Impressed, they were prepared to build a secure testing lab for him. Before the official contract could be finalized, Andrews completely vanished, taking the powder with them. Rumors swirled that he was kidnapped by foreign agents or brought or bought out by oil executives. I mean I've got like 30 of these fucking things and the story is always the same. I'm inclined to believe it's true. Like the big conspiracy. We can talk about like what's going on in Antarctica, did the moon landing happen? These things don't affect our lives. What affects our lives? We could have abundance.

Steve

Yeah.

Greg

Kind of a big deal. Your money could go a lot further. Even with all the scams. Even though it is a debt based fractional reserve, Rockefeller Rothschild debt based trap. Even though that's true. If you could make your own energy and you can make your own fuel and you can grow your own food, I think that's a lot off the monthly budget.

Steve

100. But most people don't have time to do that because they're stuck in this rat race hamster wheel.

Greg

They have time. Look at your screen time. The screen time is exactly proportionate to what you could be doing to create your own abundance. And I'm bad with my screens too. It is what it is. I, it's like exercise, you know, I know everybody should do it and I can sit here and tell everybody that you should get out there and lift some weights, but look at me, I'm not doing that right. So sometimes we can't take our own advice. Doesn't make me feel too bad for saying it. Like, you got to get with it. We. And that's. That's what a lot of people are talking about now is Catherine Austin Fitz was here. She won't do my show. She did your show. You actually had her travel. She won't even get on Zoom with me. I'm just kidding. I mean, I'm not. It is true that she told me that my show is too ridiculous. And I'm like, hey, come on. We're both friends with Dr. Farrell here.

Steve

Best friends with Joseph.

Greg

Yeah.

Patreon Host

Come on.

Greg

He's a Death Star guy. You won't do my show.

Patreon Host

Whatever.

Steve

The Rings of Saturn guy.

Greg

Yeah. At this point, I don't need her

Steve

because he didn't write that.

Patreon Host

Never mind.

Greg

No, he didn't. That was.

Steve

She recommended. She sent me that.

Greg

But he's the Giza Death Star guy.

Steve

Yes.

Greg

At this point. I mean, what I want to do is I want to interview people who aren't doing every other podcast for the most part. So I don't really need Katherine Austin Fitz, although I wish her well. She is the Tim Dillon phrase. But I brought her up.

Steve

She's fun.

Greg

She is.

Steve

She's a fun one.

Greg

And she's talks about building the parallel economy, which is what we. This is. This is it. You know, this is what we should do. We should build the parallel economy. We should say what they're doing. I don't really care that much.

Steve

Yeah, her thing is, don't bank with the central banks. Bank. Find your small local, like, credit union bank or whatever and bank with them. Don't. Don't do Chase bank of America, all these big banks, because you're just contributing to this whole problem.

Greg

It's true. And I'm. I'm more concerned about spending the money locally. I'm more concerned with, like, between where I came from. My. My house and here. I passed, like, eight ranches. Like, you say, all the farmland out there, all those ranches have a sign out front with a phone number on that. It's like, if you want to buy your beef, buy it here. That's what I do. Yeah, I have a freezer full of beef that I bought from a guy down the road who raised the cow a couple miles from my house. You know, butcher box. I don't know if they're. Have we ever got a butcher box sponsorship?

Steve

Because I think we have.

Greg

Do you have one currently? Cut it out.

Steve

This episode will not be sponsored by Butcherbox Fair.

Greg

Well, that.

Steve

Whatever it is, it'd be funny to Put the ad right after he said

Greg

that would be funny. When I first got into the grass fed beef thing, I went to butcherbox because it was convenient. Right. But that's beef, and I'm not even saying it's bad, but it is shipped from New Zealand. How does that help the American rancher? How does that help our sustainability? It does not. So instead, go to Polyface Farms for the same thing, but it's from Kentucky. Or even better, go to a ranch where you shake the guy's hand and he knows your name. And when shit goes down, you have his phone number on your phone. And if Katherine Austin Fitz is right and you have all these credits and limitations on what you can spend your money on, you need someone outside of the network.

Steve

Yes.

Greg

Where they're going to get you is at the checkout line at Publix. Oh, you have too much milk. Oh, you have too much meat. They're not going to get you with the guy with the ranch. Between you and me. Right, so.

Steve

Or they're not going to stop you with your fishing pole.

Greg

Right. So I think the, the entropy thing that Dr. Heather Lynn talks about is great because it's really about like slowly weakening everything, even pasteurized milk. I don't know if you've gone down the milk.

Steve

I have, I have raw milk.

Greg

Way better also. You can compare the nutrients of a farm. An egg that you made in your backyard. You know, you have your own chickens. An egg, it gets made in your backyard with free range hens, chickens. They're easy as hell. Oh yeah, they're so easy and they're so soft. Well, they don't mind. Don't let me grab them.

Steve

I don't understand. I thought like the healthy eggs were like the darkies. Dark, dark orange yolks.

Greg

Well, yeah, that's a, that's a visual cue that they're better in general. But Joel Saladin took his eggs and had them analyzed against farm fresh against like store bought eggs. And his farm fresh eggs are like 5x. Same with, we were doing with the fruits.

Patreon Host

Right.

Greg

So the fruits are there and then the meat has the same thing. The meat is like 5x better if you get it from just a cow that was raised outside, just left alone.

Steve

Yeah, I eat Steve's. I eat Steve eggs. Steve's eggs that he gets from his chickens. And it's just, it's so different from, from the eggs you buy from Publix.

Greg

Okay, so why isn't it working for me? I'm eating the farm. I'm eating the Eggs I grow myself.

Steve

Why is it working for you?

Greg

I don't look like, you know, I can. But the pasteurization of milk is the same story, is they got everyone scared of bacteria in the milk, even though we used to have milk. Men, they just lay the shit on your front porch and you drink it whenever.

Steve

So you drink only non pasteurized.

Greg

I don't drink only raw milk because it's hard to get. But I do drink raw milk as often as possible. And my kids drink raw milk. And it's what they're doing is they're burning out the deal with it.

Steve

How's it different?

Greg

Pasteurization is basically just heating it up, boiling it a lot to kill the bacteria, to kill the bad bacteria. And as we know now, the good bacteria too. So that's really. In a healthy system, that's the only bacteria in there, is the good bacteria. Again, this is a psychological operation to condition us, to be afraid of nature.

Steve

Does it last the same amount of time? Does it stay. Does it stay good for the same amount of time as pasteurized?

Patreon Host

Yeah.

Greg

I've bought raw milk that wasn't refrigerated. I went to the. I went to a farm and they had it sitting out. And he was like, does this bother you? And I was like, yeah, but I'm still gonna buy it. And it was fine. But the pasteurization process, just like all the other things we talked about, it kills the nutrient content. So you're getting 30% of what nature could have gave you without boiling it.

Steve

Right.

Greg

And this is the game. It's like it makes us weaker. It drains our energy out. You don't even need to fold in fluoride in the water and glyphosate on the food, just the food itself. It's been drained of its essence.

Patreon Host

Yeah.

Greg

And they do this at every turn. And to me, this used to be boring shit, but now it gets me really fired up because of the kids. Really because of, like, just wanting my kids to eat the best stuff in a largely toxic world. And people. I have friends who think I'm nuts for drinking raw milk. Did you know in Florida you're allowed to sell raw milk, but you must put a label on it that says for pet consumption only.

Steve

I had no idea. But that's crazy.

Greg

The milk that is in my kid's cereal bowl says on it for dogs and cats only.

Steve

That's.

Greg

It's crazy. And you eventually have to be like, do I trust?

Steve

Can you give it to babies?

Greg

Can you give it to babies? Well, I Hear back in the day they people used to travel with a goat because they would feed goats milk to their babies if mom wasn't around.

Steve

I've heard that.

Greg

Yeah. So straight from the udder to an infant. That's interesting. I mean traveling with a goat itself is like what the fuck? What was going on back there?

Steve

Next level.

Greg

Yeah. People used to be way more self sufficient.

Steve

Yes.

Greg

And they would do what it takes to be self sufficient. And today we are such beta cucks. We are just cucks for the whole goddamn system. And if you want to criticize it, as so many people do, you gotta put your money where your mouth is. You gotta start divesting.

Steve

Everyone's gotta go to the trough. Everyone's gotta go to the government controlled trough to get their slot. We can't just get our own stuff. And I. I'm on the same page with you with all of this stuff. And the one thing I would say I am also extremely terrified about, which connects right to all this stuff is how this is happening in like the media world. And basically like I live and die by YouTube.

Patreon Host

Yeah.

Steve

YouTube is controlled by Google. Which we learned the hard way during the whole Covid times is that like they can turn you on and off whenever they please and they answer to the government.

Greg

Yeah. I didn't think I would have much to offer you because you got such a tight ship running here. But my whole is independent and now it's not 100 independent because that's almost impossible to do.

Steve

Yeah.

Greg

But I have. I was very lucky that YouTube banned me from AdSense very early on. Like back when I still worked at GameStop. A thousand bucks was a lot of money. I had a thousand bucks in my AdSense account and they pulled it and they said you can't do monetization on your channel anymore. And I was like thank you. Because I wasn't yet invested. And now I know I can't depend on you. And this was a decade before COVID so that's why my show's only been video.

Steve

And you still have the same channel.

Greg

I have the same channel. I was out and admiring the. The play buttons. They sent you the play button. They never sent me my play button. I'm owed a play button.

Steve

Are you really?

Greg

I have a hundred thousand subscribers. That's what you're supposed to get. Your silver button for real cheap bastards. Who do you guys gonna talk to for me? We gotta get that play button just so I can destroy.

Steve

Did you ever get your Adsense shit re fixed?

Greg

So funny enough, you Gotta engage with the system for this stuff to work. But I did get a marketing company to start making shorts because I didn't want to do it myself.

Steve

Yeah.

Greg

And they had. And they got it open.

Steve

Good.

Greg

So my. My channel is still in shambles. You'll see my shows get like 8,000, 10,000 views. AdSense is basically nothing. We're going to light the fire on it now. But.

Steve

Yeah, we are.

Greg

I'm just a podcast, primarily. Podcasts are way more nimble RSS feeds. As long as you can broadcast them, anyone can grab them. And then you subscribe.

Steve

Yeah. And you get the show.

Greg

It doesn't require, again, an intermediary. Exactly. What we've been talking about is they weasel themselves in between the consumer and the producer.

Steve

Yeah, exactly.

Greg

And they take. So you have YouTube and Spotify now, and that's most of the market for a reason. Now, Covid is obviously okay to talk about now, but what will be the next thing? There will be a next thing probably when they roll out 6G and the next pandemic happens.

Steve

Did you see this other. Just came out about Fauci and what. What Tulsi Gabbard just came out with

Greg

this morning on her last day.

Steve

On her last day, she's releasing all these files about him talking to the CIA. Yeah. All this stuff that was redacted with the whistleblowers being threatened.

Greg

It's like, again, it's like I. This is where I talk about. It's kind of like tabloid. Because I know what I need to know about Fauci and about COVID and about that.

Steve

Right.

Greg

I'm glad she released some stuff. I hope it convinces some more people. Doesn't really affect my life, but it's good that it's out there. I mean, if we're. I'm gonna say, is it better to be out there or not? Yeah, it's better.

Patreon Host

Right.

Greg

But there's always something like this disclosure, too.

Steve

Look at the pattern of it. Right. It's probably just theater. Everything else seems to be right.

Greg

And then there's the drip, drip, drip of disclosure. It's like, I don't give a fuck about disclosure. I've read dozens of books with hundreds of cases in there from people who've had bizarre experiences. Isn't it funny how the government disclosure story never really involves witnesses? Chris Bludsoe might be the only one. Why don't people go to the people who have experiences?

Steve

Right.

Greg

Why do we only care what military guys have to say about it? Yeah, there's.

Steve

Well, what blew my mind the most about all of this disclosure stuff. What really like at least what recently. My mind's always changing, but my recent mind change that I'm still on that trajectory of is when I talked to Peter Lavenda a couple months ago now and I asked him like, what his overall take. What is. What's your 30,000foot view of all this? And he goes, he goes, I'll tell you, if I was the CIA and I was the government, I really wanted to know what this stuff was. I would go directly to the experiencers themselves and figure out what's going on inside their brains, take apart the radio and figure out what it is. He thinks it's all consciousness. He thinks that's the core of this whole thing is consciousness.

Greg

It is. I agree.

Steve

This is the Gabbard releasing the fauci.

Greg

There's a couple reasons I say it's all consciousness. A major one is because when you look at the data of the experiencers, they're so bizarre that aliens cannot account for it. You don't have a lot of people who see the same being in the same craft do the same thing.

Patreon Host

Right.

Greg

It's like a dream. It's as bizarre as a dream.

Steve

Right.

Greg

So how can there be blob entities and mantids and reptilians and all this other. Yeah, it's some kind of thing going on with the mind. And that brings us back to magic. I wish the occult scholars and the ufologists would get together more often. You know, you do the debates, you know, and stuff, get them in here, talk, talking to each other. I got the list of names.

Steve

I would love to see people in the ufologists.

Greg

Yeah. Like Dr. Steven Skinner is a academic of occult text. He's translated more than most people.

Steve

Stephen what?

Greg

Stephen Skinner.

Steve

Steven Skinner.

Greg

He's very good at what he does and I would like to see him talking to more ufologists. But the thing is, is that both parties would probably consider the other one to be ridiculous and have no value.

Steve

Well, Levenda is a good CR. Between the two.

Greg

He is. He's an odd duck too. He's got. He's got some occult stuff in his background that makes you wonder that he doesn't necro gobblecon.

Patreon Host

Yeah.

Greg

That he doesn't exactly advertise and that's. It's fine. But yeah, I think that the fact that there are books out there that we could buy on Amazon right now, that a couple hundred years ago would have gotten you skinned alive to possess, that alone is interesting. Why, if it's all, who cares, right? Because it's not. But it is, Ma. It is equations for summoning certain energies. Maybe there are demons or whatever, but certain energies. And these energies have real world effects. Right? Now, just like the energy monopoly, there's a monopoly on magic. And it's only the bad guys. They're the only ones who use it. But I think magic is absolutely real. There was a guy, Neville Goddard, in the 50s, there was this movement, New Thought. It sounds kind of New Agey, So I wasn't really into it, but I listened to some Neville Goddard lectures, and it really sold me. He had this thing where at his lectures he would say, go home tonight. And when you're falling asleep, that's the other thing. People listen to TV and podcasts. When they fall asleep, they don't get into their inner mind at all. It's the one quiet time of the day. And the hypnagogic state, the state between wake and sleep, they say it's one of the most powerful states the human mind can be.

Steve

Hypnogic state. Yeah, yeah.

Greg

That's when you can manifest things and that's when you can, like, get the best ideas. Like, that's when ideas come to people from where? Where are ideas from?

Steve

You know, it's also when people have UFO abduction experiences.

Greg

Right, exactly. So it is a bizarre point in every person's life every single day. You know, you have this at least once. I wake up, like three times a night, so it happens to me a couple of times. But if you engage with the hypnagogic state, Neville Goddard would say, tell yourself, three nights in a row, picture yourself climbing a ladder. Just picture yourself climbing a ladder. And then during the day, tell yourself, I will not climb a ladder. Because he was trying to demonstrate that the subconscious visualization is far more powerful than the conscious vocalization.

Steve

Okay.

Greg

And so I listened to a guy saying how he was like, I thought this was all because, why would I be on a ladder? I can easily avoid ladders. For three days, him and his buddies went to the lake. They were jumping off the dock to get back on the dock. He found himself climbing a ladder. And he was like, holy shit, he got me. He got me. This is just one example that when you tell your subconscious what you want, it will bring it to you. There is a magnetism to it. I'm starting to believe this. And again, probability multiplier. If you say you want a million dollars, well, the probability might move from 0.1 to 0.2. It's a huge movement, still not going to happen. There's other instances where people have said I want a million dollars. And if you're aware enough of your day to day activities, you might find yourself playing GTA 5 and you might find yourself getting a million dollars in the game. It's up on the screen. Your subconscious doesn't know the difference. Your subconscious thinks it gave you what you asked for. So we are, I think we're constantly manifesting. We talked a little bit about synchro mysticism and the examples of like why is Neo's passport expire?

Steve

Oh my 9 11, 2001 blew my mind, right?

Greg

So to me, to me this is advanced sigil magic. So here's a weird example. The Titanic, right?

Steve

Find Neo's passport from the Matrix, it's on not, it expires on 911 I think. Is the year on there?

Greg

The year's on there. The exact day.

Patreon Host

God.

Greg

So how does that happen? Yeah.

Steve

So the expiration date.

Greg

The first thing is you get your mind blown by it. But then.

Steve

And this movie came out in two years.

Greg

Yeah. So your first thing is like, oh that's mind blowing. But then when you get over the shock of it, you have to be like, well how does this happen? One theory is like, well obviously someone knew it was going to happen on 911 and they put it on the passport. And maybe they were just signaling when they, when you see these things in media before they happen in real life, the main theory is the karmic theory that they have to tell us what they're doing for them to avoid the karma of it. In the grand scheme of them, the elite have to tell us what they're going to do and we have to not stop it. I think that's because who's the decider on? If we've been told enough, you know what I mean? Like, like it seems pretty high stakes to deal with your eternal karma. Is that telling us? You know, people are trying to make the argument that is telling us, well, what if I didn't see the Matrix, right. You know, am I karmically responsible for 9 11? The karma angle I think makes no sense. What makes more sense to me is this is advanced magic. Gordon White, one of his big claims to fame was sigil magic. He was really good at breaking down the mechanics of why sigils work and help you manifest. And he had some good techniques for doing it. What is a sigil is like you take a statement of what you want to be true, you jumble it up, you make A symbol out of it. You put it somewhere in your periphery for a little while so that your subconscious gets the message and then you get rid of it. So you don't want your conscious mind focused on it. I kind of think that's what's going on here. If you want 9, 11 to happen, you embed it in the subconscious of, of the mass population. That's an argument that doesn't require anything. It doesn't matter how many people see it. You know, a lot of people will see it.

Steve

Yeah, but how many people, I mean, how long was that on the screen and the matrix? Probably like a split second. And how many people notice the expiration date?

Greg

If you look, if you look at marketing, subliminal marketing, it only takes one frame. That's how you get to the subconscious mind. So here's a good example. One of the, One of the synchronistic examples that is most mind blowing is the Titanic. So Morgan Robertson in 1898 wrote a novella called Futility or Wreck of the Titan. That's 14 years before the Titanic. That's pretty crazy. Yes. Both ships were deemed unsinkable. Both were 800ft long. Both used three triple plaid screw propellers. Both had the legal minimum of lifeboats. In the book is 20. In real life it's 24. Both crashed in mid April into an iceberg.

Patreon Host

Right.

Greg

So this is a book written 14 years before the event.

Patreon Host

Yeah.

Greg

If you want this to happen, you get a. This guy I believe was a Navy guy too. So you get a connected person to write the book, put it out there, and then you have the plan too. But for the plan to work, it's almost like gravity. Like there's a gravity to the narrative. The narrative's been seated in the book. Couple thousand people read the book. You put the pieces in motion and they. The gravity takes it to the story that was written.

Steve

Yeah, that's how I heard Eric Wargo. He has the time loops. Yes.

Patreon Host

Theory.

Steve

This is all connects to that. He thinks that these are time loops. He thinks that like people, you can do precognition, people can have precognitive dreams or whatever. And he thinks that, like

Patreon Host

I don't

Steve

know exactly how to explain it.

Greg

It's a tough one. I was, I was gonna let him try to do it because I knew it was gonna be tough.

Steve

But basically it's like, it's, it's looping time. Right. So it's like the past predicting the future and the other way around. Right. It's like the future already happened and is echoing through time. Yeah, that's a very bad way of explaining it. But basically, essentially what. What was happening is people are having these. These dreams.

Patreon Host

Right.

Steve

About things that are happening in real life later. I can't figure out how to explain it even happened to him. But it's like. So there was a couple people who couldn't figure out what was happening. And what they started doing was recording every single dream they had immediately after it happened. Yeah. And after they woke up. So they had a recording and a date of when that dream happened. And they would be able to. To map that or match that with things that happened in real life. And it was real. It was happening.

Greg

Yeah. I mean, Precognitive Dreams Before 9 11,

Steve

there was like a bunch of people that had dreams about that happening.

Greg

Yeah. And there's a lot of apocalyptic dreams that don't necessarily turn into apocalypses, but it is a phenomenon that is real, just like remote viewing. But so to finish this Titanic example and stick the landing as to why, I think what these situations are, these predictive programming examples is they're seeding things in fiction so that when they are ready for the operation to go, it goes off along these lines because the gravity has been drawn to the narratives. This making sense to you? You're looking like.

Steve

No, it is.

Greg

So here's the thing. A couple years ago, we had the Ocean Gate submarine that was going down to check out the Titanic wreckage and it imploded and the people died, Right?

Patreon Host

Yeah.

Greg

Do you remember what that was called?

Steve

What was it called?

Greg

The Titan. The Titan is the initial name of the Titanic in the book. So my mind says there's a narrative embedded in the subconscious of reality that the Titan goes down in this location. Initially it was the boat. Sure. They made it as close to the book as they could, but the script is still running in the timeless subconscious reality. So when the Titanic goes down, reality says, oh, that's supposed to crash. That's supposed to go down. And so it does. And what's it called? Ocean Gate. What's the term used for all scandals is gate water.

Steve

Did they name. They named the submarine Titan because it was going to explore the Titanic. Right.

Greg

I don't know why they named it, but to reality, it doesn't matter why it was named. The reality says, oh, this is what's supposed to happen because it's been seated in the subconscious and the greater subconscious. And so it does happen. My thing is that we all have this ability. We have this ability to seed our own stories in our own Subconscious if we work on it like a muscle. But we don't even believe it to be possible. They've engineered it out of us. As Dean Radin said, they killed off a lot of people who had the innate ability. They monopolized spirituality. They've dominated all of our time with economic concerns and real world material concerns. We don't ever go to the inner world. The inner world's where the power is. The inner world is where you can manifest things that you want and people can mock it and say it's dumb all day. I don't give a fuck. I'm 40 years old. I believe it to be true. I'm doing it and I'm going to continue to do it for the next 40 years. And I'm going to die if I'm lucky to get to 80. So I guess I'm past like, convincing people. I mean, it's my job, you know, it's our job to present, to help researchers and knowledgeable people present controversial counter takes. Right. And I like doing that. But in just everyday waking life. I don't care if my friends think the moon landing was real. I just don't care anymore. I don't care if they think 911 was just as they told it was on the news. It's like if we laugh and we have fun and we have shared history. A lot of my good friendships are based on drug history. And I'm done with drugs in my life. So I'm not going to get new friends that are this tight, you know, so gotta let that stuff go. The problem is Covid made conspiracy scary to other people. Like, and we all had kids at the same time too, so here I am. Covid is a big psyop and they're like all traumatized by it. We have kids. I'm not vaccinating my kids. It's another reason I had to leave California. You cannot really, you cannot put kids in school without vaccinations. You cannot. That very, very hard to do. I even had a pediatrician who was.

Steve

I thought it was bad here.

Patreon Host

She.

Steve

It's.

Greg

It's great here. It's. It's terrible there. I had a pediatrician who was basically willing to lie. She kind of said how she had lied before.

Steve

And in California.

Greg

Yeah, yeah, obviously I'm not gonna put her throw under the bus. But she had, she had gone to Sacramento many times in campaign and been like, this is dangerous. Stop making kids do this, this. But at her job, she was a pediatrician. You realize, as you know, with Kids, you realize that if you don't vaccinate your kids, pediatricians don't do anything. They measure the kid's head and they measure how long they are and they get the weight and they give you the percent, they say out the door. But why should they do anything if your kid is healthy and then if

Steve

they get and they give you percentiles and if your kid is not in the right percentile, they farm you out to a bunch of other people because you think, oh my God, I have a problem. My kid's not normal.

Greg

Yep, exactly. There's all these mechanisms where you get into the, the secondary system industry.

Steve

It's a machine.

Greg

And if you don't give a meat grinder.

Steve

Yes.

Greg

And if you don't give your kids 60 shots, there's nothing for a pediatrician to do. My kids don't go to a pediatrician. There's no reason to go. They, they've both only been sick a handful of times. And if you go to the natural paths and they say, what is a fever? A fever is your body's response to trying to burn off the toxin that's in your body. So you let a fever run. If you give pills to suppress a fever, the toxins stay in the body and you're sick. More often, your body has to go through a detox phase every three months instead of every 12 months. I've tried this and it's worked. It's scary to do when it's 2 in the morning and your 2 year old has 103 fever and you don't have anyone to call and no one in your family believes you. It's scary.

Patreon Host

Yeah.

Greg

Luckily me and my wife are on the same page. We let these things run their course. Our kids are the healthiest kids I know.

Steve

By the way. Greg is a doctor if anyone wants. So he is like he is sanctioned to give legal medical advice.

Greg

It's true. It's true.

Steve

That's funny, man.

Greg

It's just.

Steve

No, it's true. Yeah, I completely agree with you, man. The whole, the whole thing is, is a, it's a, it's a crazy scam.

Patreon Host

Yeah.

Steve

You know, all the way down to hospitals too. Do you know, like hospitals? Every time somebody gets into a hospital, it ends up just being a long cascading effect of more and more. It's just the problems snowball when you start to get your foot in the door, in the front door of this crazy meat grinder industry of medicine.

Greg

They don't give you any quality food. You're in An EMF soup, you don't get to see sunlight, right? And that's the thing is our bodies do heal themselves and our bodies will heal themselves in spite of weight of all that. In a lot of cases, when you come out of the hospital, you say, oh, the hospital fixed him, or his body fixed himself in spite of all the bullshit. Like when we get a cut, we just leave it alone. We know our skin will heal. When you break a bone, you have it set so that it heals the right way, at the right angle, but you just let it heal. But when we get sick, we don't think our body can heal it. We need to get a pill, we need to go see.

Steve

But we've always been creating medicine, we've always been creating remedies and using drugs since the beginning of human history to try to deal with ailments, to try to deal with disease, and to try to deal with, you know, wounds and combat wounds and anything like that. And you know, we've even been creating performance enhancing drugs since like the early Roman Empire. It's a human thing, right? It's human nature to try to do this, to try to try to develop. I mean, that just because we created new things that seem crazy, that seem too complex to be natural, that's still nature. We are nature. So any technology we create, I mean, outside, I'm not like, I'm not excusing the whole sort of like crony capitalist industry that's, that's just put on top of us to control us and to just suck, suck us, drive all of our money. But like, you know, not, not all medicine is created equal. Right, right.

Greg

And Gordon used to. That was a big gripe of his. When I would say natural, he'd be like, everything is natural. But I'm saying natural is like the green world versus like the artificial synthetic matrix world.

Steve

Right?

Greg

And that's. People know what you mean, but there isn't really better language for it. But yeah, herbs work and nature provides medicines. But the idea that is popular today is that when I get sick, I should go get a chemically synthesized artificial chemical that was derived from oil. Again, oil only. Oligarchy. And then that's going to fix me. Or you might take pills for a week and get better in spite of the pills you were taking.

Steve

Right?

Greg

But your mind says, oh, thank God I had those pills, thank God the doctor told me to take the pills. And then I got better two weeks later. Or your cut heals on its own, your bone heals on its own, your symptoms Go away on their, on their own.

Patreon Host

Right.

Greg

It's kind of the paradigm I operate in now. But yeah, of course, nature creates things that are, are very helpful. What's crazy is these apps where I'll tell you what a plant does. I went around my property, there's all kinds of plants that are just there that I didn't plant, but I would snap them and I'd be like, what is this for? And they all have a laundry list of positive uses.

Steve

Really?

Greg

And it's like, yeah, I haven't chopped anything down because maybe I need the camphor plan. The camper. Camphor. Camphor is good for like anti insects and.

Steve

Yeah. Remember when I was a kid when I used to get really sunburnt, my mom would just slice open her aloe plants in her backyard, rub it all over my skin. I'd be, I'd be healed by the next morning.

Greg

Yes, yes, nature will give you much better products, but you can't patent nature. And it's, it's hard to sell nature pilled and in lotion form. I mean, obviously the, the hippies do it, but people just, there's some mental conditioning that it has to come from Procter and Gamble or Pfizer, the experts, it has to come from them for it to have any, any real potency.

Steve

It's like. Well, it's funny too how the companies all try to wrap their branding in like nature and natural and like sugar free organic.

Greg

Yeah.

Steve

You know what I mean? Like my mother in law, she's always like buying junk food and bringing it to our house for the kids and she's like, look, it's organic.

Greg

Yeah, I know. I'm guilty of that myself a little bit. I, I like cheese ball. I like a cheese ball.

Patreon Host

Okay?

Greg

I get the organic ones because it, I like Oreos.

Steve

I'm not gonna buy the healthy Oreos. I'm gonna buy the, the natural Oreos double stuffed with the extra colors, okay? If I Oreo, I'm eating an Oreo. Same thing if I'm drinking a Mountain Dew, I'm drinking a Baja Blast with my Taco Bell and it's going to be sensational.

Greg

You've heard the Mountain Dew conspiracy, right? No, I really shouldn't have brought it up because I can't articulate it very well. But there's a conspiracy that every time Mountain Dew launches a new version, it's right before a big disaster that equates directly to that branding. So Mountain Dew Livewire right after was like a giant blackout. Mountain Dew Baja Blast, right After was a huge tsunami.

Steve

Where was the tsunami? Baja California.

Greg

You'd have to look. You'd have to. No, no, I don't think it's that specific. I think it might have been like the Japan one, you know? Okay, it's not. But you. If you look up Mountain Dew conspiracy, you'll have. You'll find people who've listed them all and it's like five things. It might be what I'm talking about. It might have been like, like maybe the CEO of Mountain Dew is an occultist and doesn't tell anybody. And when he want. And when his buddies go at the Bilderberg meetings, they say, hey, hey, we're gonna do this, we're gonna do this tsunami thing, we're gonna do this blackout thing. It's just like pepper it in, find a branding that works. Sometimes it is coincidence. You can't say that there's nothing that's coincidence. But how many coincidences does it take for you to say maybe magic is real and occultists run the world and they're using the same mechanisms that are available. Available in your own head. If you had the awareness. There you go.

Steve

Flavor disaster theory, popularized by online creator

Greg

code red before 911 Maui Maui burst before the devastating Maui fire. Star spangled splash prior to the Francis Scott Key bridge collapse. Oh, that's an interesting one. I didn't know about that one. Now what about Livewire? That was a. That was one. I drank Livewire for a little.

Steve

Oh my God, have you seen the mountain? What's the monster energy one?

Greg

Just that it's 666. In Hebrew, it's 666.

Steve

That's what it is.

Greg

That's another thing, dude. So what's the most popular water right now?

Steve

Liquid death.

Greg

Liquid death. Why would you call it that? So there's, it's edgy. Well, there's been studies that words matter, words carry energy. And so there's a big subsect of the world right now going into water and gel state water and structured water and how important water is, is. So when you put water in an aluminum can away from sunlight and you call it liquid death, and death is on the, the can. I do think there's an energy transfer, as crazy as it sounds. And it's the worst, probably the worst water you could drink. You know. They're not a sponsor, are they?

Steve

No.

Greg

Okay, good. I didn't see liquid death anywhere. Usually if it is, it's around. But the point is just that monster energy drink. So you put 666 in Hebrew, you call it Monster. These names do carry weight. And I.

Steve

Liquid death's funny. A funny one, because their whole thing is death to plastic. Like stopping pollution. Right. No more plastic. But their can is lined with plastic.

Greg

Well, right. And when you. When you cut open the brain. So they say when you cut open the brain of an Alzheimer's patient and an autistic kid, the commonality is they both have too much aluminum. So this is another thing where my friends gave me a lot of. Because we would do these barbecues. I'm like, I'm not having aluminum. I'm not eating anything that was cooked in heated aluminum. And they think I'm fucking crazy. And then we go out on the golf course, and I'll have a few beers because you can't take glass on the golf course. So it's all aluminum. My mom's 85 years old, drinks Bud Light every day. So maybe I'm overthinking the aluminum thing, or maybe it's not as. It's not absorbing into the liquid in, like, a Bud Light can, but the fact that you're gonna wrap ribs in tinfoil and put it on the hot heat and then eat that, you don't think there's some leaching? I don't know. But I want to distance myself from aluminum as much as possible because of that simple fact. You know, my memory is already shot. I'm worried about Alzheimer's. I'm not. They're not getting me. I'll write it all down. I just. I do want to keep aluminum away from me because of that. And, you know, aluminum cans. I drink a lot out of aluminum cans. Because how can you not? You go to a 7 11, and if you want to avoid aluminum and plastic, it's impossible. Wait. Styrofoam. Like, it's all. It's a sick system. You gotta start getting stuff outside of it, and. And it just makes a dent, you know? Like, a lot of people will criticize me and say, oh, so you're gonna eat everything off the land? No, I'm not. No, I'm not. But it's. Instead of a multivitamin. Instead of a multivitamin. My kids eat mulberries off the tree. And it has a similar effect. It's just like. It's. It's countering all the damage we do just living in the world world.

Steve

Right.

Greg

You know, I got one foot in the real world and one foot in the crazy world. I'm too normal for the weirdos, and I'm too, or yeah, I'm too, I'm too weird for the normies and I'm too. Yeah, you get it.

Steve

Rogan was talking about this the other day on one of his podcasts. I forget who the guest was, but it was like one of his ones in the last week and he was saying that like, you know, he. The same thing that you're saying right now, like with all the pollution and all the microplastics and all that stuff, getting less sunlight, doing more, less, less labor intensive work, being tapped into screens 24 7. This is like the natural evolution of human beings and this is the way it's going, especially with AI and all that stuff. So like his thing was like just, you know, he's like, I'm just gonna lean into it. I think we, we. There's no point in fighting it, right? There's no, it's futile to try to fight it because it's too, it's too powerful. It's the way we're going to and it's the way we were meant to evolve. And he thinks that that's why we're going to end up being the whole gray. The gray alien, the spindly little gray alien with the big eyes and the big head and no muscle tone and no sexual organs. Because the microplastics are eventually going to shrink our taint so much and we're not going to have any balls or dick and no sexual reproductive organs. We're going to use CRISPR and things like this to basically create designer babies. Right?

Greg

That sounds fun. I can't wait. That's why I'm like, you're right, this guy's right. You're not going to stop it from happening, but your level of particip is where you have the power. And so yeah, I still use AI searches to find things, but I kind of, I've divested to the level in which I can. One last aspect of abundance versus scarcity. It's kind of commonplace, but people talk about planned obsolescence, right? That a lot of our stuff is built to break down. The smartphone definitely could have had a removable battery, but they built it in because they want you to have to buy the new smartphone every time. Printers used to have chips in them that would say after so many prints, just stop working. Like planned obsolescence is built into everything. But I interviewed this woman, Casina Dana Ritzer, a long time ago and she wrote or where she produced a documentary called the Light Bulb Conspiracy. And it was basically all about planned obsolescence and Again, it just. It just extracts your wealth, extracts your energy. And what's crazy is. So the reason it's called the Light Bulb conspiracy is the film focuses on the phobias, the Phobias Cartel, the first documented corporate conspiracy to artificially degrade a consumer product. In the early 1920s, standard incandescent light bulbs comfortably lasted 2500 hours. In December 1924, major global light bulb manufacturers, including Philips and General Electric, met secretly in Geneva to form the Phobias Cartel. They agreed to strictly limit the maximum lifespan of all light bulbs to a thousand hours. The cartel engineered filaments to break faster. They set up rigorous testing labs and issued heavy financial fines to any member company whose light bulbs lasted longer than 1,000 hours. Now, where it's crazy, there is a fire station in Livermore, California, that has a light bulb. They call it the Centennial Light Light. It's been burning since 1901. It's still going.

Steve

What?

Greg

It's one of the old light bulbs. It's one that didn't get destroyed and didn't break. So you can go to this firehouse and the whole little community. It's a big old party every year when it turns another year older. This is one stupid example of light bulbs. How many things in our lives has the same thinking, deteriorated products? There you go.

Steve

This is it.

Greg

Mysterious light bulb. So mysterious.

Steve

10 years old.

Greg

It's so mysterious, yet they won't get it down and see why it lasts and then duplicate it. Because that's not the name of this game.

Steve

Right.

Greg

That's what pisses me off is like, you got the energy people all getting whacked for having abundance. You got us taken away from nature. You got the soil depleted. You can't even get a goddamn light bulb that works the way light bulbs should work.

Steve

Do you know about how Obama banned incandescent light bulbs when he was in office?

Greg

Yeah, yeah, that's now.

Steve

And push it all to LEDs, which are so incandescent or full spectrum light.

Greg

Yep.

Steve

Right.

Greg

And the flicker rate of LED flicker ratio.

Steve

So now he made it mandatory that all new light bulbs had to be led, which is a main. If you look at it. If you look at the. The light spectrum on them, it's like majority blue light, which is the same thing you get from your phone.

Greg

So this is me. This is where I go with, like, we're not gonna fight the elite, but a lot of these games they played on us are old. Like, do you think it's illegal to start a light bulb company where the light bulbs do last 2500 hours. I don't think it would be today.

Steve

Right.

Greg

But it's the perception management that they've done. We don't believe it to be possible. It is possible. We just looked at it. If you don't like your job, how

Steve

do you make money? You can't make money if your light bulb lasts forever.

Greg

Today you can, because I think everybody would just be like, like the infinity bulb and you just buy one and then, then close up shop. Who gives a fuck? You made your million. You know it, what, what it doesn't work for is Companies that need 10% growth every year forever. Yeah, that's what it doesn't work for.

Steve

Answer to a board of directors.

Greg

It would work for us if we, if we studied that technology, put a little money into it, marketed it, and started our own light bulb company. I bet we'd make a million bucks and people would have better light bulbs. These opportunities are everywhere. So know Katherine Austin Fitz. Why I did want to talk to her is like, you know, it's not all about just the farmer's market, Catherine. You know, it's about stuff like this. It's about free energy. A lot of it would get you killed. The energy stuff would get you killed with oil. Probably get you killed.

Steve

Yeah.

Greg

Light bulbs we could make, we could start a nursery. All these things make biochar. There's a lot of opportunity in fixing the sick system on the periphery where anyone who's listening right now, who hates their job, I'm trying to throw out ideas where you can actually reorient yourself. Is it going to be kind of grueling work to burn biochar and make that? Sure. But you get to decide when you get up, you get to keep all that money. You get to decide how much you sell and this and that. Like, there's a lot more autonomy in it. No job's going to pay you what you could make on your own. And nature is right there ready to help you with abundance. But you just got to align with it.

Steve

Yeah. And they, it seems to, they, there seems to be just like shadowy powers that want to get rid of all this stuff at a, at a consumer level. Right. I mean, it even goes back to like, have you, have you looked into these missing scientists?

Greg

Yeah.

Steve

All these scientists that have gone missing?

Greg

Yeah.

Steve

I know it happened once before in like the 80s or something like that where there's a group of scientists working on some, some stuff where they all like got killed, like gruesome accidents, but like, you know, makes you Wonder, like what the. Did these people know and what kind of. Was it something to do with energy? Was it something to do with something like this? Or was it all, I mean, you know, is it just the, the mainstream theory that it was like, you know, spooky flying saucers that they knew about? You know, I don't know, but it seems like it. Seems like it. I don't know what it is, but it's very strange. And it doesn't seem like a coincidence that all these people went missing, you know, right. When Trump, you know, released these. Or announced that he was going to release all these crazy UFO files.

Greg

Exactly. Sorry to interrupt you, but Chris Knowles, who runs the Secret sun blog, he's so good, but he has laid out this case that every president, as soon as they mention aliens or talk about disclosure, they suffer a terrible PR nightmare or an assassination attempt. Carter, Ford, Reagan, they all, it all happened to him. And then, and then Trump, he said he was going to release the files and then they had the press dinner and they stopped the kid who was like a NASA contractor, that, or that guy Cole Allen. That whole thing, that could have been a warning shot or it could have been all theater. But I do like the premise that a lot of presidents have faced trouble when they bring it up, because it's like, you do not go there. And the reason why, I think is not aliens, it's energy. So I like the theory that those people who went missing is because it's doing a brain drain where they're actually trying to work on the technology to actually bring it out. Why would they bring it out now? And I just talked about all these people dead, there's no markets left. AI is a giant bubble. There's nowhere to make money anymore. So I, I like the premise that disclosure is coming because they're going to say, oh, these aliens did give us this technology. We didn't know how it worked. We spent the last hundred years trying to reverse engineer it, and now it's ready and now we're going to open up new markets with this technology. Yeah, because it deflects away from all these murder worse. You know, it deflects away from the fact that you've had it the whole time. It's not. It doesn't need aliens. It's right here. People have done. It involves the ether. People have known about this. But you can cover it up, you can obscure it by just simply saying, oh, the aliens gave it to us. And I think they need the energy for the AI data centers if they want the control grid, if that's the number one thing.

Steve

Yeah.

Greg

Ubiquitous control over everyone, digital currency IDs and all that. If they want that and it requires this much energy, it's the only thing where you would run the calculus and be like, it's worth it to put it out there if it gets us this. And that's what I think will happen. You know, we'll see, we'll see. But that's where I'd put my money, is that we will see the rollout of this stuff. Once people get over the rah rah alien thing, it'll be about the technology and then it'll be about implementing it in a way that the AI data centers can run because they cannot run on the. The current allowed energy infrastructure. So they have to open up other, other things to get it. To get it to work. And that's the only reason they would do it is because they want the control grid over everything else.

Steve

Right. We were just looking at the one that was the Grok data center yesterday on the podcast Colossus. Colossus. That's what it was. Freaking insane. The thing's massive.

Greg

Yeah.

Steve

And they want to put. I know there's like proposals to get more data centers in Florida. There was one, I think that was like shut down, that was supposed to go into Orlando or something. And I also heard they were trying to put one in near Tampa or like Lakeland.

Greg

I worry about that. I worry about that because they need water.

Steve

What's the. Yeah, that's the issue.

Patreon Host

Right.

Steve

We have great water, like natural water runoff or something.

Greg

We have great aquifers and underwater. Underwater underground water. And so we are primed for it. But we have hurricanes, and I think that they will avoid building them here because of the hurricanes. I'm hoping, because I put them everywhere else.

Steve

Or when we do get hurricanes, all the power companies, they just rush to the data centers. They leave all the neighborhoods just like to waiting until they get the data centers back online.

Greg

There's that theory too, that the priority will be the data center people will be without. Which is why, you know, here's some alternatives here. Get a generator now. Yeah, son Will probably still be there.

Steve

Yeah, it's.

Greg

It will get difficult, but building the parallel economy is the best move. Getting in touch with your own inner world and, and your own ability to manifest. Like the whole sigil thing. I think people know that sigils are. You write out a statement, first off, with the sigil stick a logo.

Steve

Right? You see the logo and you automatically get the Feeling of what it means, what it tastes like, what it.

Greg

Yeah, a lot of. So the thing that starts with magic is, like, people don't even know what they want. You think you do, but have you ever articulated it into an actual sentence, what you specifically want? A lot of people don't. They know they want more money. They want greater help, health, greater success. The universe doesn't understand that. You got to be a little more specific. I want $7,000 by next Thursday.

Steve

Right?

Greg

You know, stuff like that. So the thing Gordon White was so great about, and anyone who's interested in magic should go to rune soup before it maybe gets taken down, since he's dead now. But with the sigil magic thing, what he added to it is rune soup. Rune soup. Like, you know, rune magic and then obviously, like talk soup. He was playing on two things there, but he. His biggest contribution was probably sigil magic. And he would say he had this. This shoal, like, fish. Fish go in schools. They call it like a shoal.

Steve

Like a group school.

Greg

Yeah, school. He said shoal for some reason. And also the robo fish. So his principle was so robo fish because. And he was always great with, like, making things fun and using real analogies. But. But they discovered in the lab that if you make a robotic fish, other fish will follow it because it acts with confidence. And they're like, oh, shit, he knows what's going on. I guess I'll follow him. And the robo fish will lead a school of fish. And this. This is just a phenomenon that happens. So he applied this to sigil magic. And he said, if you want to manifest your goals, you have to lead. You have to lead your subconscious to get the wheel turning, because we don't spend any time doing it. So make a group of sigils. Launch them all at one time, psychically launch them. You know, like, concentrate on them at the right time, but launch them at the. At the same time in a group, not an individual, and create some that, you know, will manifest. I will have coffee tomorrow morning. I will drive to Publix tomorrow and buy potatoes and tomatoes. Make a sigil for those things. Add a sigil that says.

Steve

What do you mean, make a sigil for them?

Greg

Write out the sentence.

Steve

So writing it is creating a sigil for it?

Greg

No, you write out the sentence, you cross out the duplicate letters, and you cross out the vowels, and you take the leftover letters and you create it into an artistic symbol. This is all just to get past the conscious mind. That's why it works, is like you're just trying to program your subconscious and get past language and get past this stuff just to the idea, the core idea, right? And then if you, if you help your subconscious along, you're gaming it by, by seeding some that will happen, happen. So you say you add the ones that will happen. I will watch the Matrix tomorrow and then make sure you do it right. And then add in one that says I will find the love of my life before the year's end. And you will theory is that you will or I want my dream job. See, even dream job isn't specific enough. I want to create a million dollar biochar business within the next three years.

Patreon Host

Right.

Greg

And I'll eat rais.

Steve

What is magic though? So like, is that some sort of like an unexplainable phenomena, like psychic phenomena happening in the ether, or is that you just sort of cementing an idea in your subconscious mind that biologically is going to bubble up later?

Greg

Yeah, I think that there's a gravity. Terence McKenna said the universe runs on narrative. So I always found that really bizarre. But with this stuff it kind of makes sense because like the example of the Titanic, you write the book, you write the story, and then the universe has a gravity that, that if pieces look like they're moving that way it finishes the story for you. And this is like programming your subconscious in a similar way. Give it a story. We wake up every day, we go to work, we come home, we entertain ourselves until the next day. We don't think about the future, we don't think about much. Take control of your own fucking life. People listening and start determining what you specifically want. And then gamify your life and put it out there in your subconscious.

Steve

It is very weird. It's so weird how it happens, man. I mean I was just other day looking at photos I took of like, I used to listen to a lot of Tony Robbins when I was a kid, like when I was young. It is very, it's all very similar NLP stuff that you guys were talking about at dinner. Because I, I, you said talking about Bandler and I was like, I've heard that name in the Tony Robbins book. When I was like 15, listening to it vacuuming my apartment and I would like make, I would write down because he would say, write down exactly where you want to be, what you want your day to be like, like what you, what is your ideal? This is what he said, one of his books, which Take it or leave it, whatever, whatever your opinion is on Tony Robbins, like write out what your ideal day would be like from the time you wake up to the time you go to bed, Everything you're gonna do. And I would do that. And I was like, looking back because I would take photos of these notes I would take, and I'd be like, dude, this is my exact day now.

Patreon Host

Yeah.

Steve

This is crazy. I never even thought about it, though. Like, you never think about the steps. It takes as long as you like. I just. All I did was write it down a couple times. Maybe I look back at it, you know, every couple years, and it comes true.

Greg

The shared dream we call reality will move you towards it. Once you say what you want. Neville Goddard would say, your subconscious is like your parents, like your cosmic parents. That it's there. You just got to ask it for help, and then it'll shepherd you towards what you asked for. The next step is to get deeper into astrology, which is real. And I know it's crazy, but you take the astrological roadmap. Get yourself a good reading from someone who knows their shit, okay? And then you get the roadmap, and then you structure your sigils because again, it's a probability enhancer. So look at the stars, look at your chart. Look where your greatest probability opportunities are. Maybe 20, 27 and March. There's a good alignment for you. Make sigils that say, I'll get my X, y, or Z goal. And this is the date because the star. I do believe astrology is real. It's crazy. So when I had my astrology, my birth chart read.

Steve

Was there a moment for you where it was like you thought it was, and then you're like, oh, my God.

Greg

Oh, yeah. Austin Coppock is one of the best out there. Him and Gordon used to do a lot of shows. I became. I became too hot to do shows with. I guess because of the conspiracy association, he wanted to keep it clean. Astrologers doesn't want to get in the. In. In the. In bed with a conspiracy guy, you know, I think my is more real.

Steve

That's so goofy.

Greg

I know, but whatever. I love Austin. Sorry to put him on blast, but when he did my birth chart. So this. There's this particular house that is for your career. There's a house for every aspect of life. Love, family, career, this and that. Inner. Inner projection, outer world.

Steve

Yeah.

Greg

In my house for career, I have a conjunction of. Of Mercury and Jupiter. Mercury is communication and technology. Jupiter is like bigness, right? My job, my career. Where my life finally started to work is when I talked to People, one on one and projected them out through technology on the Internet to 100,000 people. That is my birth chart. That's what it says I would do. If I wanted to find success, I would do it now. I could have had no balls and been a giant pussy and stayed a retail manager. And I never lived my story, but instead I happened to take the shot because the inner pole told me, like, if you want to be happy, you got to go do something else. And what came to me happens to be reflected exactly in my birth chart. It's interesting.

Steve

That is interesting.

Greg

And then you take the, the astrological configurations of the year ahead and they'll all have a relationship to where the stars were in your birth chart part. And so it tells you a story of the rest of the years in which you're alive. It is crazy, but I would, and in, I would tell everyone to look at it, engage with it. Yeah, it's fun. How much time are you wasting? You know, we waste people like why would you waste your time with astrology? It's like, let me look at your life and I'll find some stupid areas

Steve

where again, I just wonder how much of this stuff is this, the power of belief inside the human psyche and the human mind. You know, when you believe something enough, it can, it can ultimately manifest. Whether that be astrology, whether it be a DMT trip telling you that you're an alien from another planet, you know, that's populating the earth, it's true. Or whether you be, believe that, you know, any religion is true or whatever, like that can somehow manifest in your life, make your life better. And you know, I wonder how much of that stuff you know, is actually going on versus it. I, I, I don't, I don't think it matters at all. I think, I think, I don't think that what if you believe that like the materialist biological view of it or whether you believe it's astrology. I think it has the same effect either way. It's just curious. I think about that sometimes.

Greg

I, I think about it too. It's the age old question. People have always wondered if it's, is it me doing it or is there some real magic here?

Steve

But it's like the consciousness question, right? Like what? Everyone wants to know what is conscious. It's like the same thing as the UFO question. What are aliens? Are we alone in the universe? Is there a God who built the pyramids? What is consciousness? I don't think, I don't think we are supposed to find out the answers to that stuff.

Greg

That's kind of true. I think my life is more fun with astrology being real. And I'm also skeptical. I come in with a skeptical but open minded approach and I just see example after example after example where it does work. And eventually I said, you know what, I am going to get my kids birth charts done by someone professional so I can see where their challenges are going to be. And then I'm going to try to shepherd my parenting towards their personality traits and where they're going to have difficulties in their lives. And I'm going to try to massage that for them because that's the role of a parent. I'm not trying to make many me's, I'm trying to look at them and the configurations they came under and amplify it. Another thing Gordon White told me is that a lot of times the royal family, they don't let you know when their offspring are born. They go into the hospital, they're in there for a week and they come out with a baby. That's because astrology is real. And if people know your birth chart, they can do magic and affect your life. What they can, they can find your vulnerabilities and which energies work with you and which ones don't. So don't let anybody know your actual data for your birth chart, because the elite don't. And that's because they know that other people who are in the know can

Steve

use it against everybody's birthdays online. It's like the number one thing you can find out about.

Greg

Do you believe everything you read online? Yeah.

Steve

Aren't you supposed to?

Greg

Yeah, I'm just saying. Yeah, go ahead. Right, go ahead. And the queen might have a birthday, but I don't know if you'll find a birth time. And then I don't know if it's authentic either because you need a location, date and time. Those are the components of a birth chart. If you don't have all three, the slot machine doesn't hit a jackpot.

Patreon Host

Whoa.

Steve

Have you heard the story about Nancy Reagan's astrologist?

Greg

Yeah.

Steve

Who taught her about the war and told her to do the war on drugs.

Patreon Host

Lose.

Greg

Yes. I also heard that In World War II, Hitler had an astrologer that he would use to decide when to do a campaign. And then the Allied forces got wind of this and they thought it was just superstition.

Steve

Yeah.

Greg

But they could also use that to. They don't have to believe it. They're like, oh, what would Hitler say about the right configuration? Oh, it's in February. Oh, he'll probably invade France in February. Let's get ready for that. So, you know, there are games within games and ways that things can be used. But we're in a world where no one thinks this shit is real at all. It's not just about your sign. That's another thing where they degrade the art form down to, oh, it's your sign, right? It's like. No, it's way deeper than the actual sign. And everyone should get it done. Spend a hundred bucks with a talented astrologer, it's fun. And then it'll probably blow your mind.

Steve

You got any recommendations for astrologers?

Greg

Well, Austin Coppock is good, but also this guy, Dan Waits, he runs World Astrology Report. He's very good.

Steve

So this guy was Hitler's astrologer? Carl Ernst Kraft, died in 1945. Swiss astrologer and mathematician who briefly became a prominent occult advisor in Nazi Germany. He's best known for his precognitive warning of the 1939 Munich Beer hall assassination attempt on Adolf Hitler, a feat that temporarily won him the favor of the Third Reichs. Propaganda.

Greg

He predicted that apparently it's all in the stars.

Steve

So.

Greg

Another one. I can't even really pronounce her name, but. Petra. Oh, Rudolph.

Steve

I know. Rudolph Hess. Georgiani taught me about that guy.

Greg

Oh, yeah, yeah. Hess is a wild man.

Steve

What was his story again?

Greg

Well, Joseph Farrell wrote Hess and the Penguins, and it was about the Nazi base in Antarctica and they were doing studies on can people sustain themselves on Penguins Meet? Because they're going to be delivering down there. So Patriot chart, I would say it's P A E T R A. That's her first name. T A U C H E R T. Hit rewind a few times to get it. She's really good. She's the one who most recently did it. And she's who I'm probably going to hire to do the birth charts for my kids. But Austin Coppock's good. Dan Waits runs World astrology report on YouTube. He's doing really well. He does like world astrology. So he looks at the conditions of the cosmos in general and then predicts like, oh, the straight of Hormuz crisis. Like that's reflected in the stars. Yeah, it's like a lot of stuff like that, right? The data center crisis. So here's another weird thing. So we are the grand conjunction, which is like Saturn. I believe it's Saturn, Jupiter and Neptune. This is not exactly my wheelhouse, but. But it moved from it's in the same sign or it's in similar elemental signs for 200 years. And it was in earth signs for 200 years. And then it moved to an air sign in 2020. All which is. So Saturn is power and Jupiter is like big power. So by the logic of astrology, in 2020, methods of control should have moved from Earth after 200 years to air. What would be air control, drones, surveillance, Covid. Covid was airborne, wearing masks, saying I can't breathe, chants like that, kneeling on the neck. All major cultural events are air based. Now surveillance and digital stuff, that's all air because it's like not physical. But the last 200 years was Earth based. So it's Earth based control. It's like physical concentration camps bringing troops in, you know, domination through force, force through aggressive earth based symbolism. So you can say, oh, that's a coincidence or oh, that's, that's fine.

Steve

What comes after the air?

Greg

Well, 200 years later, I haven't paid much attention because I don't care that much, but there's something. You could probably look it up. But for the next 200 years, the story will be air based control. And it's just written right there. It's so easy to, to equate you. It requires a bit of a lang. It's like a language. You have to understand the language of symbolism. But if you understand the language of symbolism and you know that we're transitioning into an air energy with. And specifically Saturn, specifically control will be air based is basically the way to say it. And then you look at the world and look at things that are cultural events that involve control or stressing people out. Like I think you can fold in. You know, the I can't breathe guy who got choked out by the cops, Floyd. Well, he got the knee on the neck. He didn't say I can't breathe. I think that's Eric Garner.

Steve

No, that was George Floyd. No, that was do.

Greg

That was if you look up, I can't breathe. I don't believe that George Floyd is the one who said that.

Steve

Oh, I thought it was George Floyd.

Greg

No, Derek Chauvin kneeled on his neck for, for nine minutes or something. But I think it was a different guy and I think his name was Eric Garner. Who, who said I can't breathe, I can't breathe.

Steve

And then he was the dude who got shot a bunch of times.

Greg

There's so many of these things, so many, but I can't breathe. Well, it was also the last plea of Eric Garner. Okay, so it's both.

Steve

Okay. Okay.

Greg

But what I'm saying is it should be both. Right.

Patreon Host

It's.

Greg

It's just a cultural touchstone.

Steve

Yeah.

Greg

That is based on air. I can't breathe. And then the COVID masks and then, like. Like drones and things in the air. Like, all control is moving into technology, which is air. I just find it interesting. And this is one example. It might take 30 examples before you're a believer, but they're there if you keep. If you keep researching it and looking into it. It's bizarre.

Steve

Yeah.

Greg

And then you. And then you're like, well, why does it work? And nobody has an answer for why. Maybe it's because the planets are conscious and that their consciousness is a giant field, and when they're closer or in different configurations, their energy affects us more. But why does it work for our individual lives? That's a little harder to work out. Maybe because life is a shared dream, and you can't find the logic to every single little thing. It's not a material reality. So bizarre things just exist.

Patreon Host

Yeah. Yeah.

Steve

It's fucking wild.

Greg

Life's more fun when you believe magic is real.

Steve

It is more fun.

Greg

And a lot of people think the elite are using magic, and instead of just. I guess that's the point is like, instead of just obsessively trying to figure out what Marina Abramovic is doing. If you think the mechanisms of magic are real, then study them and how you can apply them. It doesn't have to be monopolized by the elite. Just, like, energy and all the things we talked about. About.

Steve

Yeah. Like that thing I sent you yesterday with Peter Thiel's little secret society he was trying to put together with the psychedelic shaman and.

Greg

Yeah.

Steve

The psychedelic expert or whatever.

Greg

Yeah.

Steve

And. And all that stuff. It's like. Yeah. It's like these people believe magic is real.

Patreon Host

Right.

Steve

But they don't want to say it out loud. They're certainly acting like that.

Patreon Host

Exactly.

Steve

Even if you read the Epstein file. I talked to Dean Raiden on this podcast we had. Did a virtual thing for Patreon, and he was telling me how he talked to Epstein for 20 minutes on a zoom call, was asking him to explain, tell him stories about spoon bending and telekinesis and telepathic abilities for, like, 20 or 30 minutes on a zoom call. It's like, why is this guy interested in this stuff? Does this have anything better to do?

Greg

I saw Dean Raiden's name in the Epstein files, and I was so sad. I interviewed Dean, too. And I like his book. Magic is Real is great. It's largely about prayer. It's not really, really about ceremonial magic. Ceremonial magic is a whole different thing. And his book is. Is largely like, we had a monk pray over some plants and they grew better. Great. That is also real. But ceremonial magic and rituals that they do in the Masonic basement, those are a little different. Now, Randall Carlson would be like, I'm a Freemason. This stuff's bullshit. There's a lot of conspiracies online about it. Great, man. You know, networking is real. And organizations of that are like hubs for networking. Bad people, psychopaths, can come in and network within those organizations, and you would never know.

Steve

Yeah.

Greg

So to say. I would not say Freemasonry equals evil conspiracy people. But you should not say that it can't facilitate it.

Patreon Host

Right.

Steve

Because it can and it can be hijacked.

Greg

Yeah.

Steve

Like, people hijack religions for any purpose they want.

Greg

Yeah. I think the story is that the Authority shut down magic. So the people who knew about it and wanted to preserve the texts and wanted to preserve the traditions, they went dark.

Patreon Host

Dark.

Greg

They went into the secret societies. They became the Knights Templar, and then power corrupts. And then they were like, hey, you know, we should exploit this power that we have that we've preserved. And then they become exploitative, and then skull and bones happens, and then all that.

Steve

Well, it's a.

Patreon Host

It's.

Steve

It's an interesting correlation. How when the emperor and the Church, they burned down the temple to Elusis, which was there for a thousand years before that, that's when we plummeted into the Dark Ages. Yeah.

Greg

The Eleusinian Mysteries is a rabbit hole for sure.

Steve

Yeah.

Greg

You know, the Hermetic text, the Corpus Hermeticum, one of the big things. So I just. It's fresh in my mind because I just interviewed someone about this, but the Medici. Medici. Medici. The banking family, the Medicis. I think I read it all the time. I don't say it a lot, but this, the. One of the big banking families of Venice. When the patriarch got hold of the Corpus Hermeticum, he had his translator stop what he was doing and work on that and translate it. And of course, it's attributed to Hermes Trismegistus, which is probably just a pseudonym, but what it was is basically three bodies of knowledge. The three bodies are astrology, alchemy, and theurgy. Theurgy is communicating with spirits. There's a segue. If you segue into any one of those three things being real and My segue was probably partly theurgy and partly astrology. You have to assume that there's a reality and a truth to the other parts, too, because powerful people put all their resources, banking families who could have anything they want. They wanted this, and they wanted it translated for them. That's interesting to me. I want it too. You know, now we can translate our own shit. But Dan Waits, who's the astrologer, pointed basically that out, that this. It's just, what do we have to go on? You know, it's like, what we have to go on is what do the elite do? The elite translate the corpus hermeticum probably not as a hobby. Like, they probably think it has real value. And that's the thing. I have books on my shelf at home that they would have tied my limbs to two horses and pulled me apart for walking around with these books. Because the perception management operation is over. Everyone thinks it's. It isn't. Read some books.

Steve

Yeah, well, also, you know, the elites and those types of folks that run the world, they also have, you know, an unlimited amount of free time, and they don't have to answer to anybody. So is that something that's just natural when you. When that happens to you, where you just start to peek beyond the veil and look into, like, alternative theories, get into. Because I know a lot of people that are wealthy, that have no control over anything thing, you know, and now that they have free time and ultimate freedom, they naturally just get into weird.

Greg

There is an argument for that.

Steve

So, you know, obviously that's not what was happening with Epstein. He was into some way darker with all the people that he was connected to and looking into the NSA and, you know, even the stuff Giorgiani talks about with him trying to create some breakaway civilization in Antarctica and like, trying to, you know, trying to do gene engineering, genetic engineering on people and stealing the hair of Nordic people at their Zoro ranch. Like, it's just insane.

Greg

Ben Swan talked about cloning. I was listening to the Ben Swan interview while I was driving, so I didn't catch every moment, but I heard him say cloning. And I was like, wow. I. I didn't expect him to go

Steve

there, but I don't remember what he said about cloning. What do you say about that?

Greg

I just heard the her mention the word. I believe he was talking about Epstein.

Steve

But, yeah, probably.

Greg

It seems like cloning is easier than we think.

Steve

Yeah.

Patreon Host

Yeah.

Greg

That's what's crazy to me. I don't understand. So you can clone a sheep. Fine. But when you clone a person and you teach that person English and you can talk to that person and they have a consciousness, like, are they the same as the other person? Or how similar are they? Is it just. Does it not matter? Because it seems like the human body is just a vessel for consciousness. Right. It's like a receiver. So maybe you can build a receiver and it still just catches a consciousness. But what if it. What if you can direct that? What if you can weaponize that? What if you can determine which consciousness is embodied within a body and cloning helps you to do that? What if.

Steve

Interesting.

Greg

What if demons.

Steve

What if you clone consciousness?

Greg

Yeah. What if you can clone. What if you can make a vessel specifically for a demon that you're in contact with, and then that demon manifests into our reality and looks exactly like a person? Why is there an Erica Kirk from the 1960s that was married to the governor of Florida and looks exactly like the current Erica Kirk?

Steve

What? How do I not know about this?

Greg

It's wild.

Steve

There's an Erica Kirk from the 1960s. Yeah.

Greg

And same name. And both of them married into the Kirk family. So both of them. Their maiden names are not Kirk. We don't know. I don't know either of their maiden names. But there was a governor of Florida in the 60s, and he was elected as a bachelor. And he was something Kirk. And when he showed up at the governor's ball, he had arm candy. It was this lady. Her name is Erica. He married her. Erica Kirk. Fast forward 40 years. There's another guy named Charlie Kirk who has a obscure background no one knows much about. He's married to a woman that seems like a sham marriage. Her background is weird as fuck. She's trafficking kids in Romania. Allegedly. I don't know. These are just the rumors. And her parents are an intelligence. And her name's Erica, and she looks a lot like this other chick with the same name.

Steve

And they're.

Greg

They both seem like they're given to men. Claude Kirk. Yes. So you can find pictures. That's not the best one, but you can find pictures where they look a lot more similar. I'm not necessarily saying that they're clones, but I'm just saying they have parallel lives. And that itself is interesting. Whether they were created in a lab or created through conventional means. It just seems like there's a pipeline of attractive young women.

Steve

Are there any other photos over, Steve?

Greg

Definitely.

Steve

What if you scroll down?

Greg

There you go.

Steve

That's.

Greg

That's a pretty good one. I see a little Erica Kirk in that face. Look at those eyes. Look at those eyes.

Steve

You're being generous.

Greg

I found more. Oh, look at that one. Photos.

Patreon Host

There you go.

Greg

Look at that one. Oh, far right, far right. Oh, there's her.

Steve

The one holding the baby on the very. Oh, yeah, the one with her.

Greg

The side by side.

Steve

No. Yeah, the one you're on. The one you were on a minute ago. Blow that one up.

Greg

Change the hairdo to a modern hairdo.

Steve

I can see it.

Greg

He looks like a fat Charlie too. I'm just kidding. But I really.

Steve

What happened to him?

Greg

I don't know, but I just know that it just seems so strange that there's a pipeline of attractive women given to men who have. Have moderate power. Charlie. Governor of Florida. It's not real power in the grand scheme of things. But what is that? You know, why does. Why does Taylor Swift look just like the daughter of Anton lavey?

Steve

That's so crazy, dude.

Greg

And she's. And then like, that's where magic comes in.

Steve

Like, pull up Taylor Swift, Anton lavey's daughter.

Greg

Zana. Zana Leve Z E E N A I believe. Dude, this is insane. Why do they look so similar?

Steve

Do you seen Jack Johnson?

Greg

The musician? Yes, the guy who did the Kiris George theme song.

Steve

The musician. Jack Shotson, the surfer. Magic magician or musician.

Greg

Probably both. I don't know.

Steve

Okay, hold on.

Greg

I don't know this one.

Steve

Look at that bro. With the lipstick. No, they'll go to the left. The color one. Yeah, that one.

Greg

So it's just interesting. Why is the most successful artist of our day a dead ringer for this other person?

Steve

Now type in Jack Johnson. Jeffrey Epstein. No, dude, it is even more. Even more dead on.

Greg

What about Palm Beach Pete?

Steve

Yeah, he's a goofball. I don't know what the story. He said he met Epstein too, which is very weird. Yeah, I went to one of his parties, but I wasn't friends with him. I just was at the same place as him once and he happens to be rich with his own plane as well.

Greg

Yeah. A big part of the conversation with Kurt was how so many of these people who become celebrities, they are. Are completely mind controlled and built from the ground up. Maybe it's cloning. Maybe it's ritual birds. That's the thing about ritual birds is. Oh my God. I guess I thought about it. Wow. So click.

Steve

You gotta get a better picture how

Greg

much of the public figures we see are a complete fabrication.

Steve

There's an image somewhere with a split of him and. And Jack Johnson with Epstein.

Greg

Well, you could also look at the. The scroll.

Steve

You'll find it.

Greg

You've seen the one with the 20 bill, right? No, look at the 20. Andrew Jackson looks exactly like Epstein too.

Steve

Really?

Greg

You can find a 20 bill where they've split the face. Epstein and the 20 bill. And it's a dead ringer as well. And you look at you.

Patreon Host

You.

Greg

Yeah, look at that, bro. You stack up these examples and you start to wonder how much of our Hollywood good celebrity culture is a complete fabrication.

Steve

How much variation is there in the human genome? You know, there's a lot of people that just look very similar to other people.

Greg

That's true. But you'll find these people on Tick Tock and where they go after example, after example, after example. It's interesting. I don't know what to conclude about it. But you'll also find that a lot of these people, their backgrounds are weird too. It's like Erica Kirk is a great example.

Steve

Her background's weird as she's a massage agent.

Patreon Host

Right?

Steve

That's the, that's the, the. That's the conclusion that we've come up to, come up with.

Greg

I don't know. I mean, she won a Trump. She won a Trump pageant. And then she becomes this Romanian angel chick. And then she marries Charlie Kirk.

Steve

And they met in Israel.

Greg

Yeah, they met in line for the Wailing Wall. She says that's crazy. And this is her saying, I'm not m. So it's like weird. It's just weird, so.

Steve

Well, the weird. The weird stuff comes out. And it's weird, right? The weird stuff comes out like podcasts like yours and mine. And then a year and a half later, it comes out in the New York Times. That's the thing. That's the thing. That's like the person's conspiracy theory and the truth. Alex Jones said of six months.

Greg

Yeah. And how many of these people like Britney Spears? She's completely broken. Yeah, they. I think they put people through these rituals. A lot of them are passed around. You know, Rob Reiner recently, I think I always forget which one's the grandfather and which one's the father. But Rob Reiner is the one who is the son of Carl Reiner. I believe Carl Reiner was famous in Hollywood. Rob Reiner, also famous in Hollywood. His IMDb is crazy. All of his movies were great in the 80s and 90s. His son just killed him and his wife. Now the official story is the son was just disturbed and he had some chemical imbalances and he was a drug addict. Well, why was He a drug addict. What happened in his childhood where he should have had everything that drove him to be a drug addict. I believe a lot of times people don't just become drug addicts, they're treating a trauma in their lives. And what's crazy, you can go to a roast of Carl, of Rob Reiner that happened like a year or two before he died in that roast. Truth comes out in comedy. You know, Billy Crystal and Al Franken both get up there and they take the mic and they both tell really bizarre jokes about multi generational incest and why. Billy Crystal says something to the effect of, of when Rob, when Carl Reiner wants to come up with, wants to feel out his ideas for a movie, he climbs into bed and massages his son and says, how do you feel about this casting choice? And everybody laughs. It's like, why? And then this guy's kid risks, I mean throws his life away to slit both of his parents throats. Something happened to that kid.

Steve

Something definitely something happened that kid.

Greg

So. And all Hollywood knows and they joke about it, they laugh and joke about it and it's a sick world and the it finally I've just divested from Hollywood and all that stuff because a lot of times boomers, when you bring up some of this, like Carl Reiner and this Reiner family, boomers love them and you tell them this, they're like, no, no, no, no, no, no. It's like first off, why do you have such an emotional response? You don't know these fucking people.

Patreon Host

People.

Greg

And then okay, what's your alternative? Just that the kid's crazy. For some reason he was willing to throw his life away to get revenge on his parents. Some people are just crazy. But you look at all these shooters, these mass shooters, yeah, they've got a checklist, their backgrounds all have a checklist that are all very similar. Always when there's a shooting, first thing I do is I try to find. First you look at the early reports. The early reports are usually there were multiple shooters shooting us from all different angles and that there's a drug addled teenager left at the scene to be the patsy. Then you look at that kid and you look at who their parents were. Chances are one of them's involved in military intelligence and one of them is a psychologist. Chances are that's what happens. Or they're in some in like the Ivy League nexus. This is where I think they're crafting these people that become patsies and a lot of them have backgrounds where they were very studious. Like. Like really high up, highlevel thinkers. And that makes me think about something. Gate program adjacent.

Steve

Yeah, it's a. Have you heard of the Finders?

Greg

The Finders cult? Yeah. Oh, this is great. If you can actually play this clip

Steve

here, we need the headphones to hear it.

Patreon Host

But what I respect most about Rob is his deep, almost suspicious love for kids. And he freely gives them his time, his money, whatever it takes to get them into the van. But, you know, revenge. Stewart's works for kids. Robert's become a major, major wonderful political political activist, which is a code name for unemployed movie director. He is now Mr. Inside Politics. You see him all over doing great things. He. He calls the president Bill. He calls the vice president Al, and he calls Domino's five times a week because pizza joke. Food is a very important thing to my friend. Whenever his wife Michelle, was pregnant, which is three times, Rob would eat for two. And of all the meals he has, and it's hard to tell when one stops and the next one begins, because the most important meal to Rob Reiner is dinner. Because this man always at a dinner when north was not accepted in some circles, like the earth, Ra had a dinner when he decided in the ghost of Mississippi to make James woods look even more like a reptile.

Greg

Reptile reference.

Patreon Host

Hmm. Ooh. Here's an idea. Rob had a dinner when his boxer shorts were declared federally protected wetlands. He had a bite. But we're not here tonight to make fun of his body. No, no, no. But to honor his body of work, because both are too big to be ignored. As some of you admire Rob, of course, he's been a great, great comic actor.

Steve

This was in 2000.

Greg

You probably will, since you can read it. You might see the part where it talks about his dad climbing into bed with him.

Steve

But does it tell you what timestamp that is?

Greg

No. Even just the opening that you heard there, I kind of forgot about that.

Steve

But that's.

Greg

That's because Rob Reiner has a charity for kids. He has a charity to help children's education. And it's just like, why I. As I've grown up, it's way weirder to me to care about other people's kids. I'm not saying that we shouldn't care for underprivileged kids kids. But some celebrities, as Billy Crystal said, have a suspicious interest in other people's kids. I don't want to get too crazy here with something that is, you know, not talked about a whole lot, but Rainn Wilson, you know, Dwight from the Office. You know the office, right, yeah, of course.

Patreon Host

Yeah.

Greg

He has a picture.

Steve

I never watched a lot of it. I'm trying to remember which one was Dwight.

Greg

The nerd with the glasses.

Steve

Okay, got it.

Greg

And the great hair. He has a charity to help underprivileged female girls in Haiti specifically. I believe it's Haiti, Third world somewhere. Why, why are you concerned about that? Why not the kids in LA on skid row? It's just one of these things as we learn about Erica Kirk, as we learn about international child trafficking and where some of these hotbeds are where people aren't watching and there's a lot of kids that there. Why are some celebrities pouring money in? See, charity and foundations, we learned with the Rockefeller foundation and the Clinton foundation, the, and the Gates foundation. These are ways to exact power tax free. They're not charities. They're. They're using their money for power to achieve goals in almost every case. And I think it's a template that Rockefeller started and then he, he rolled it out to other people like the Clintons and the Gates, Bill Gates. So the charity is like a smaller scale version of the same thing.

Steve

Right, I know. And why does every billionaire have to have a big charity and pound their chest about donating to philanthropy?

Greg

Yeah. Because Rockefeller learned that you get good PR from the dumb idiot people who can't see past what you're doing. See, it's a double win. You get to do what you want to do do. It's triple win. You don't have to pay taxes on that income. It's a write off for your donations to a charity that you made on. And then, and then you also get the pr. Think about how many people would stand and applaud if Bill Gates walked in the room like this. Things are so broken, dude.

Steve

It is.

Greg

If you're gonna applaud Hillary Clinton like we talked. We were going to talk about Frazzle Drip because it came up during dinner. Great dinner conversation. Cutting the faces off children. Children. But Frazzled Drip is obviously old news. But I think I could add a extra bit of context to it. So Frazzled Drip is the video that was on Anthony Wieners laptop. The video apparently shows Hillary Clinton and Huma Abedine, Anthony Weiner's wife, cutting the face off a young girl.

Steve

Right.

Greg

Putting the face on and saying like it's just flesh.

Steve

Where did this come from? Where did this theory come from that that was the video?

Greg

It can't. Well, where it came from? Anthony Weiner's laptop. Where did the idea come From.

Steve

We don't know for a fact that's what the video was. Right?

Greg

That's true. We don't know for.

Steve

What I'm saying is where did that report come from?

Greg

Good question. It's just the lore at this point. Part of the lore is that nine cops who saw it ended up committing

Steve

the actual story, like the official story of that. Of the. The Face Cut video.

Greg

So I interviewed Dave Column the other day, and he's like, yeah, the Internet will try to dismiss those nine cops and say they're not real, but they are.

Steve

Okay. Nine cops said that that was.

Greg

Well, yeah, and he says he looked it up and that they have official dates of their death and they are real people with real names.

Patreon Host

And.

Greg

And that story checks out to him. Well, what I think is weird, and it's a video, it's a image that I sent your boy over here. Have you seen this hoodie that Jay Z and Ellen both wear?

Patreon Host

No.

Greg

First off, isn't it strange that Jay Z and Ellen would even wear the same clothes at all? So we have this story that at least in one video, they cut the face off a girl and wear it. Well, this hoodie is basically that image of a bloody face. As if. If you. If you tried to draw a picture of a face. What's the terminology? The skull without a skin on it. You know, if you tried to draw that, it would look a lot like this hoodie. It's very dark image. Why is Ellen wearing it? Why does her background look like Epstein's Island? Who knows? But her and Jay Z both wear this hoodie. Right, Right. So this hoodie. It's also. People say that the Wilson Wilson foot volleyball and Castaway red handprint.

Steve

Yep.

Greg

They say that is a subtle illusion to this thing they do where they cut the faces off kids. Now it goes deeper because Tom Hanks is often looped into this network in these conspiracy forums and stuff. He actually got out of Dodge. He left when Pizzagate was happening. He moved overseas seas. So really, I think. And so did Ellen. I think they were a little worried that it could get serious for them. And so they left. It didn't and it won't. But, you know, they got a little cautious. So if you can pull up the picture that I sent via Dropbox, if I did send it, it. It's a montage, and it is Jay Z and Ellen in the same photo wearing the hoodie of the bloody face.

Steve

Together or together?

Greg

Yeah, together. And then Jay Z went together to a. Yeah. So that if you listen to What Frazzle Drip is supposed to be? It's basically that. Now there's a. One other image where they show. So during COVID a lot of celebrities did facetimes and zooms from their home. Right. It was common. Sometimes things got revealed in people's backgrounds that they forgot were there. I believe it's Ben Stiller. But there is another image that. That Ben Stiller is on his computer zooming. And on his back wall is a. A framed photo that looks like that. And then Jay Z went to a award show with a woman in a full red thing. I think I also sent that. That. Okay, so what is that?

Steve

That's Wilson.

Greg

What is that dress about? I would like to know.

Steve

Lady Gaga.

Greg

I don't know. But I would like to know what they're trying to communicate there, because it looks like they're trying to communicate that. That they peel the skin off human beings.

Steve

Are they trying to communicate. Is she trying to communicate something or is that just trying to get more attention?

Greg

This is always going to be a question, but when you look at these photos all together, is that Ben Stiller?

Steve

Look, Ben Stiller's picture looks the same thing as the. Wow.

Greg

Now if people have this dark satanic framed in their house, I'm sure they forget about it sometimes and then they go on zoom and it shows up in the background. Now here's another thing. So you follow this rabbit hole a little deeper here.

Steve

Yeah.

Greg

Those hoodies. An artist had to make that art, right? So that artist, his name is John Jean Michelle Basquat or something. He's actually for. For black culture. They really don't like me talking on this guy. I've gotten a lot of for it because, like, you don't understand art, you don't understand this guy's contribution. But let me just say this guy. So we're talking about the idea that they pluck people out of obscurity, they bring them into the dark network, they abuse them, and then they put them in a celebrity position. Right, Right. That's a template that seems to happen.

Steve

Okay.

Greg

This guy, Jean Michel Basquet, he's an art. He's the guy who made that hoodie. At age 7, he was hit by a car and hospitalized. That's trauma. Parents divorced, mom went to a mental institution when he was 10 years old. Ding, ding, ding. By age 11, Basquet was fluent and French, Spanish and English and an avid reader of all three languages. Who's teaching? Who's teaching them? His mom's in a mental institution. He ran away from home. At 15, why would you run away from home if it's all gravy and you're learning all these languages and you're just having the best time? He runs away at 15. His father catches him smoking weed in his rooms, kicks him out. He sleeps on a park bench in Washington Square park and was on lsd. His father spots him with a shaved head and calls the police and brings him home. Home. He gets brought into the art world. He's in New York Times, exhibits, Esquire, magazines covering him. All the whole apparatus of the art world is like this guy is the next thing. He dated Madonna when he was 24 and 25. Now at 15, he's running away from home. His mom's in a mental institution. Something happens between 15 and 24 where he's now an international celebrity and he's dating Madonna. Now he's dead by 27. So Madonna's rise to fame starts in 1983 with her self titled debut album. However, she captured stardom in 84 with her performance of Like a Virgin. And she was dating him when she was at her peak. So how do we reverse, how do we work this out? To me, here's this troubled kid who is brought into the network, probably tossed around like a boy toy toy, probably Madonna's boy toy. You know, he's getting passed around at orgies, he's doing the drugs and all this stuff. By 27 he's dead. And Jay Z spent $5 million on his painting. Now if you know anything about the art world, you get some. You get a guy like this to make a piece of art. It's nothing. Scribbles on a paper. You take it to an appraiser who you know, the appraiser says, oh my God, this guy's a genius. This is where's worth $10 million. Then you take the artwork and you donate it to a museum at the price tag of $10 million.

Steve

You get that write off and then

Greg

you get that write off. So to me, the same way Corey Haim or Corey Feldman or Britney Spears or all these celebrities we know from these pop, pop culture worlds who are broken people who were passed around and then exploited. I believe this guy, who I don't think is a great artist, sorry, I think he was used in the same way. He was Madonna's boy toy. He was abused and then he makes that picture on the hoodie.

Steve

That's crazy.

Greg

I didn't go trying to blast John Michael Basquit. I did not care. I wanted to know who made that Hoodie. And this is what I got. A broken kid who ended up dating Madonna, whose mom was put in a mental institution, who was dead at 27. That's what I found. So I'm sorry that he's a figure in black culture that people like. Here's another weird one. If you find. Dude, I'm still trying to find the Frazzle Drip stuff. It hurt me. I. I've seen a. I've seen a picture that was con. That I was told was a frame from the video. Just a frame, you know, a still shot. It broke me. You don't want to go deeper. You don't want to go deeper than 90. I went too deep.

Patreon Host

I.

Greg

It. I'm gonna get choked up just because it's stuck in my head.

Steve

Really.

Greg

It's up. Like, it's not a game. You know what I mean?

Steve

Like, they have pictures of this.

Greg

Well, what I saw looked like a faceless little girl. And I was told, one person who presented it to me that this was a. A still shot from Frazzled Drip that they couldn't show me the whole thing. I don't want to see the whole thing. Oh, dude, that is not it. That is not it. But I.

Steve

You can't show that on the podcast.

Greg

No, I'm not going to show it.

Steve

Okay.

Greg

I. That's not it. But I don't, like, even. It just reminds me of it. But here's the thing. Like, are they psychopaths or not?

Steve

Is. Look at the guy, the Jean on John Luke.

Greg

Yes.

Steve

Quick. John Michael.

Greg

The reason I'm saying look him up is because he had a very unique hairstyle. That is a weird. A weird thing with dreadlocks. So Jay Z's hairstyle now is quite weird, right? The weird dreadlock.

Steve

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Greg

It's the same. It's the guy's hair. It's the.

Patreon Host

That's.

Greg

It's modeled after this guy who. He bought a painting for $5 million who did the Faceless All Heart. I believe that he saw some and that they were like. They like to flaunt, you know, they like to brag. What? That is not him. What's his last name? It's Basque Baz. It's in bold right here. Just get the spelling right.

Patreon Host

Oh, that's a. Okay.

Greg

It must be French.

Steve

There it is right there. It just popped up. Steve.

Greg

That's quite all right. So, yeah, there's his art. It's nothing.

Steve

Actually, his art's kind of cool, bro.

Greg

It's not worth $5 million.

Steve

That one on the top left is pretty badass. And so is that one with the. The alien in the crowd.

Greg

If we had nothing else to do, we could do that.

Steve

That's pretty sick.

Greg

If we had nothing else to do, we could do it. So that's him and that J.

Steve

That's him with.

Greg

Is that another.

Steve

What's that guy name again?

Greg

Andy Warhol.

Steve

Andy Warhol, yes.

Greg

So look, this is nothing. This is the General Electric logo and some splattered on it. And they say it's worth 5 million because it's all money laundering.

Steve

That's all art, though. That's all art.

Greg

Well, it's money laundering.

Steve

Hey, John Michael Basquick. I think his is a lot better than Jackson Pollock. Well, yeah, you've seen Jackson Pollock's art splatter. The CIA used to.

Greg

Yeah. So I'm. I was only interested because I wanted to know what the story was behind that hoodie.

Steve

So this is the kid who, who was with the Madonna.

Greg

Yes, and he's dead at 27. I think the whole thing is suspicious and I believe that they like to flaunt their criminality.

Steve

Let me see some more of his art.

Greg

And so they hired. They hired him to draw that stuff.

Steve

Dude, that's sick.

Greg

Well, a lot of this. If you, if you were to go to trauma therapy and that's badass. Listen, if a psychologist was like, draw your traumas, it would look like this, right? Steammans. And so there, there's the Jay Z hair.

Steve

Look at that.

Greg

Yeah, that's exactly like Jay Z's current hair.

Steve

So Jay Z thinks this dude is super cool and he wants to do the same kind of hair.

Greg

He clearly wants to channel something about this guy that's like art. There he is. I mean it, it's.

Steve

Maybe Jay Z just admires this dude. I mean, dude, his art is pretty dope.

Greg

He does admire him because he drew the fate the faceless kid for him.

Steve

Right.

Greg

But dude, I mean, I've seen some shit that just went a little bit too far and it became not. It's not just provocative fun. Like if these people are actually and killing and torturing children, we have to stop applauding them when they walk into a room.

Steve

Right.

Greg

It's not fun anymore. Like it. Like that's why I say sometimes conspiracy stuff is tabloid. When you really go down and you get super deep and you start becoming a public figure where people send you stuff. Off the record, I mean, I'm. I'm a little broken by some of the stuff I've seen.

Steve

Yeah.

Greg

Especially having Kids. I didn't think it would affect me that way. And then when you see it, you just changed. Like, it makes me realize, I believe nine cops would have killed themselves if they saw the full video. I also believe that there'd be a cleanup crew, too, that killed anyone who watched it. Right. And so how did that video happen? Well, the theory is that I don't know if that happened at Comet Ping Pong. Some people try to say it did, but there are.

Steve

Ben Swan said there was actually a basement there.

Greg

Yes. There are these places that are rigged with cameras and then they get people to do nasty shit. There is a magical element to it. And there's a blackmail element to it as well. The blackmail element going back to JC Edgar Hoover. So Epstein is just one of many. What was Hugh Hefner's deal? Hugh Hefner had a mansion where people party. And if you watch like the. That reality show that those girls did, they would say, oh, Hef filmed everything. And he had a whole bookcase of VHS in his office. Yeah, why? What were those VHS's of? Did he work for the CIA? And this is all big honeypot. What about diddy parties?

Steve

I wonder if Hefner was in the Epstein files.

Greg

I. I think I've looked.

Steve

I'd be shocked if he wasn't.

Greg

Yeah, I think I have looked. He was Jewish, I believe. And this is an element that comes up time and time again. Hey, Henner. Henry Ford.

Steve

Don't kill the messenger.

Greg

Henry Ford. About that. But yeah, I think that if you look at Nick Bryant stuff and the Franklin scandal, it's always these.

Steve

Yeah, not in the Epstein process.

Greg

It's always these mansions that are party places with underage girls and drugs and cameras in the walls. In the 60s and 70s, a lot of artists spoke out about Vietnam and this and that. Nobody speaks out anymore. Everybody toes the corporate line. Yeah. Because they're all, all. They're all getting stuffed three ways a Sunday at these parties. And the videos are all over. You know, when the. When the Tate murders happened, when Charles Manson's cronies went and killed Sharon Tate, the. The cops said they found celebrity porn in the house. Celebrity?

Steve

Really?

Greg

Celebrity porn?

Steve

Have I never heard this?

Greg

Yeah, it's obscure, but celebrity porn to me is code for, like, that kind of material. Blackmail material, serial. They're also. What's weird about that is. Again with the para fictions, I think

Steve

this is Roman Polanski's tapes or something. Was this connected to Roman Polanski?

Patreon Host

Apparently.

Greg

I think I've Heard this, actually, he directed the. I have heard this and all that. But Rosemary's Baby, the movie he made, actually mirrors Sharon Tate's life quite a bit. The movie, as you know, is. Is about a woman who wants to be an actress. So she gets involved with the satanic culture and I think gives up her baby or something or pledges her baby to the thing. Well, was she pregnant? Was Sharon Tate pregnant when she was killed? I think. I think so. I could be mixing stories, but I'm pretty sure. But here's some weird satanic psychos who break in and kill her. I think there's a much deeper story there. And I don't even care about Charles Manson. I think he's just an MKUltra. Yeah, whatever. Whatever. They put him in the music industry for a while.

Steve

Yeah, he got.

Greg

He was too crazy for them.

Steve

Beach Boys.

Greg

Beach Boys, yeah. So I. I'm way more interested in.

Steve

Yeah, he was joking. He knew she was pregnant. Oh.

Greg

Oh, well, no, I was kind of, you know, Stone her mind could be. But yeah, she. She was.

Steve

Yeah.

Greg

I'm way more interested in what was going on in that house. And then if you look at the celebrities and artists who have purchased like the house and they buy.

Steve

Marilyn Manson bought it with. With Trent Reznor and they recorded an album in there.

Greg

Nine Inch Neck Nails, I believe. Nine Inch Nails. Trent Reznor is another guy who has an obscure charity that I'd be curious about. It's crazy. These are the things I look for. I don't know anything. I'm on the outside and I. I don't want to over speculate, but time and time again, celebrities with broken brains have weird backgrounds. They're probably passed around. A lot of them are Disney kids. Then you have the weird charities. I mean, I want to know how deep it goes, how bad the cesspool is, how far and wide it is.

Steve

Yeah.

Greg

Because it seems like it's all of Hollywood and most of the music industry. And the people who are running point are the agencies. The agencies, they bet on these kids, like stocks. They're like, how much? What percentage can I get when they have nothing, you know? Oh, I'll. I'll give you 20. Oh, great. Well, Christina Aguilera was only going to give me 10%, so I'll take. Britney Spears is 20%. And I'll use all my resources to make her a celebrity. And we'll be her on the weekends and then her brain will break and then we'll get control of the estate and get her out of there.

Patreon Host

Right.

Greg

That's. I think the game is largely that. I mean, Oliver Tree. Oliver Tree just went down, you know.

Patreon Host

Yeah.

Greg

That story is interesting because. Helicopter crash. Exactly 333 weeks to the day of Kobe's crash. It's just what it is. I. I verified it myself because I saw this on Tik Tok. I was like, no, no way. I went to the. You can find the calculator. You know, online. You can find calculators. Between two dates came up exactly 333 weeks to the day. His last message was about how his contract with Atlantic Records is falling apart. If you look up the. The list. Again, this I didn't verify, but if you look up the list of artists who have died who were under Atlantic Records, there's like, five or six highly suspicious deaths.

Steve

Yeah. Even. Obviously, I was just watching something the other day about how Michael Jackson, like, warned how they were going to try to kill him many, many times. He even, like, speculated exactly how they would do it.

Greg

Michael Jackson is still a mystery to me. Like, was he a pedo or not? Yeah. I honestly don't know, because I could see the industry destroying him.

Steve

Yeah.

Greg

But then I could also see cycles of abuse being true. Some people think he was castrated to keep his voice high.

Steve

Yeah, I heard that.

Greg

And so he couldn't really do much. You could still diddle kids just because your junk is up. You can still do inappropriate shit with kids.

Steve

Sure.

Greg

And they say that Macaulay Culkin was the one who lied. Macaulay Culkin was the one who was willing to lie. And so thus he was rewarded with a series of movies from Home Alone, all the way up to getting even with dad. Timeless class.

Steve

Saying that he was never abused, used.

Greg

Yeah, I. I believe he said he. Yeah, something didn't happen, and he was the one they paraded out. And then, of course, he gets rewarded by the system. It's so sick and dark. I don't know where it ends.

Steve

Wow. It is deep, bro. It is. I don't think I've ever been exposed to this much craziness in a podcast. You gave Sam Tripley a run for his money.

Greg

Dude, that's handsome. That's handsome. Well, you know, I've been in the game a long time. I came prepared with notes. And, you know, I've talked. I've talked to everybody who's worth anything. I. For the most part. I mean, a lot of them are dead, too. Jim Mars was great. There's some weird stuff about Scientology with

Steve

him, but Jim Mars never Heard of him.

Greg

He was like a conspiracy grandpa. Big white beard, kind of Santa archetype. He actually was like John Hammond from Jurassic Park.

Steve

Oh, really?

Greg

He wrote some amazing books. I interviewed him a few times. He just died of old age. But the fact that I started this when I did, I've got a lot of stuff in that archive that is hard to get out because it is audio only. No one shares an audio clip. People share video clips. No one shares an audio clip, so I had to convert to video partly. But, you know, go comb the archive. You'll find some wild and crazy stuff.

Steve

Your library is vast. It is incredible. There's so much stuff in there to dig through the last, what, 15 years?

Greg

You're giving me a run for my money.

Steve

And how many Tracy Twineman interviews did you.

Greg

I would say five, but they're all two hours, so, you know, 10 hours of her going over all her research. I work best from a book. You know, I don't have a lot of podcasters on. I. You know, I become friends with people like Sam and stuff, and I have them on. But I work best from a book because I like to know that if there's any pause in the conversation, any silence, I can fill it by going to a quote from the book. And for 15 years, I've read every book that my. Really not. So not every book a person has written. Every time their latest work.

Steve

Right, right, right.

Greg

Every time I've read at least the latest book.

Steve

How do you read. You read them like, physical books?

Greg

Back then? Yeah. I mean, now it's. It's nice to have a little assistance with. Well, I don't do audiobooks, but I do Kindle, where I highlight things and then I take the highlights and they become my outline.

Steve

You can export them or whatever.

Greg

Yeah, but back in the day, my wife would watch me come home from GameStop. I have a book here, and I'm right. Handwriting quotes. And that would be my outline.

Patreon Host

Wow.

Greg

I used to sell my outlines on sound outlines on ebay.

Steve

You must be a good reader. I can't read that fast, bro. It takes me like a month to read a book.

Greg

Yeah, my. My acts or whatever.

Steve

Takes me two hours to watch 60 Minutes.

Greg

I like it. Reading comprehension was off the charts, and science and math were both dog. And it's the only way I got into College with an ACT score of 25, because, you know, the one part was good. So I leaned in again. The astrology. Apparently, I'm good at this one thing. We don't all have to Be well rounded. Lean into what you're good at.

Steve

Right.

Greg

Monetize it. But I read every book. So what was great about my show, I get was it's not over. But I would find the craziest things people say in their book and I'd be like, on page 43, you said this thing about how you once had an experience with an entity and then you kind of just like went past it. Can you elaborate on that? And sometimes people are like, wow, I didn't expect this to come up. And then they will elaborate, you know. So I think I got some good interviews issues by, by using that process and, and method. But it's, it's a fun job.

Steve

They are fantastic. And for anyone just learning about Greg's show, I highly recommend the Tracy Twyman ones. If you want to learn about some lady communicating with Kane over a Ouija board, I mean it doesn't get any more wild than that, bro. That, that sent me.

Greg

Well, you know, then it scales up to the anal birth of the homunculus.

Steve

Well, yes, the anal birth of the. You can't forget about that.

Greg

I just try to be open minded. I don't, I try to be pretty new to neutral. I don't know what to make. I'm on the outside looking in. But the curiosity has led to some really interesting and dark places. And the other thing I did, you know, a lot of people's podcast, it'll just be one big crazy list of shows because that's what an RSS feed is. I built out like a Netflix style display into the website. So if you go to the website, no one goes to websites anymore. It's always like the YouTube channel or the Spotify channel or the Patreon. Go to the website. Website. And like the old Internet was supposed to be before middlemen got involved. But I, I have structured it so that there's categories as if you're scrolling genres on Netflix and so you can go into what you're interested in and there'll be shows and a lot of them are timeless. They might be six years old. But I don't do a lot of current events. So if I interview a guy about grimoire magic in old English, Grimoire magic. That's kind of evergreen. Yeah, so you know, it's all there, there.

Steve

That's cool, bro. Well, we'll link everything below from your website to your YouTube. Everything else, anything else. What we're missing, we should tell people.

Greg

No, check out the Gordon White ones, cuz he's so great and he's been on more than anyone else. And the Chris Knowles ones. Chris Knowles is another really good buddy who's. Who's very out there.

Steve

I gotta go take a walk after this podcast, bro.

Greg

Me too. Me too.

Steve

All right, well, thanks again, bro. That was amazing. Everything's linked below. Below. Good night, folks.

Greg

We have Patreon questions.

Steve

We have Patreon questions. Oh, yeah, we have time.

Patreon Host

All right.

Steve

You got time to do some Patreon? Yeah, let's do it.

Greg

I love questions.

Patreon Host

Cool.

Steve

All righty. All right, let's see another podcast. We're going to Patreon.