A

The $6 million that I've made over the last five years, I have nothing left. You want to know why? Do you want to know what happened? Like, this is what happened. I know I can generate abundance and resources, so that's not a problem. I would need money and I'd be struggling and then, like, it would just show up at the perfect time.

B

It's your energy at the end of the day. So how did you gain that confidence in yourself to be like, you know what, even if this is cringe, even if this is sloppy, I'm going to put it out.

A

You don't know who you are, what you're capable of until you just, like, do the thing you're scared to do.

B

I'm curious, where can we look at our relationship with money in our birth chart?

A

We look at.

B

And before we get started with this episode, I saw that over 50% of you guys are not yet subscribed to the podcast, which don't worry about it. I'm not offended. But I'd love to keep hanging out. I'm having a good time with you, so just subscribe to it wherever you're listening to this on YouTube, Spotify, Apple Podcasts. It helps me reach more people, reach you with our upcoming episodes, and get this message out into the world. So be sure to hit subscribe. And now let's get into the episode. Well, welcome, Chris, to the Highest Self podcast. It's so good to have you here.

A

I'm so excited to chat with you. I've heard so many things about you from so many different people and I also just discovered you probably like six months ago. So it was like super aligned. Yeah. So thanks for having me.

B

So I came across your Instagram, like, I'm sure many listeners from your astrology videos. It was years ago and I. I had never seen someone do sign language in astrology, but that was like the first thing that like, caught my eye. And then your vibe, like your style, but it was also just so accurate. And your book right now is all about the audacity, you know, the audacity to do something. So what gave you the audacity to start showing up on social media in such a way?

A

I feel like it was less audacity and more curiosity and just like, I'm just going to kind of see what happens and see how this goes. I. I have a chapter in my book called Cringe, and it's literally about putting yourself out there, even if you feel fucking cringe about it. Because, like, that cringe could be your golden ticket, which is, like, had I not put myself out there? And I actually, like, I. I talk about this in the book where I'm like, I was, like, sweating and having, like, a nervous breakdown. Like, it was, like, not good. I was, like, doing an Instagram live. It was like, probably, I don't know, an hour and a half or something like that of me doing, like, every zodiac's horoscope in a row. So it was just very poorly structured and managed. And just, like, all of it, I was, like, freaking out, thinking, oh, my God, people are watching this. And I like, who am I to be doing this? So I was definitely experiencing that, like, cringe moment of, like, oh, my God, this is nuts. So it went from, like, me witnessing other people doing it on YouTube, and then I had actually put up a couple readings on YouTube, and then I was like, well, I'm gonna do this on Instagram. Because at that time, like, nobody was doing it on Instagram. So I was like, okay, I'm gonna, like. Or at least I hadn't been following anybody. It wasn't as popular. It was very much like a YouTube thing. And this is probably like, oh, my God, almost ten years ago now. So I was, like, inspired. And then it turned into curiosity, which is like, I'm just gonna try it. And then as I was doing it, it was like, all cringe. And then after that, it was like, reward, which was people being like, yo, this was really accurate. That was amazing. And I think I got on my first video, like, I don't know, a thousand views or something in, like, less than 24 hours. And I just remember being like, wow, that's a lot. Because at the time, I only had, like, a thousand followers, so it just kind of, like, naturally unfolded, and then it just, like, through Covid, became what it is now.

B

And this is so important. I. I teach a lot of people how to start podcasts, and I think that's the biggest thing that holds people back is I can't even listen to my own video. I feel like I'm so cringe. I feel like I'm a horrible speaker. I'm not engaging, and I don't have the right background and equipment and, like, all the things to make it look super professional. And I feel like what made yours pop off was the fact that it wasn't those things, you know, like, the fact that it just felt real. Even right now, you just share with me. You're like, my laptop died, and I'm on my phone right now, and, like, you know, you're just like sitting on the floor. And I feel like most people would think, oh my God, I'm be on a podcast. Like, you know, I got to set up all this stuff. But it's, it's your energy at the end of the day. So how did you gain that confidence in yourself to be like, you know what? Even if this is cringe, even if this is sloppy, I'm going to put it out.

A

I mean, you don't know who you are or what you're capable of until you just like do the thing you're scared to do or try the thing you want to try. So this has sort of been, I guess, really just like a theme of. I mean, it's a theme of all of our lives, really. But I'm very much wired for, I don't fucking care. I'm just gonna do it. And I think that that really sort of like lends itself to just trying, trying new things, trying different things, thinking outside the box, which a lot of the time comes with like, friction and this feeling of being othered or different or like the odd man out because you want to do something different. You want to try something. You want to, you know, sell everything and move to Europe. And your parents, like, don't understand that you want to quit your job that was, you know, making like over $100,000 at the time and just start doing tarot and astrology. And your friends and your family are like, why? Why would you do that? You have benefits, you have all these amazing things, like, don't do that. And then it's. It's those moments where like, now I've lived in Portugal for like six years. Like, I love it here. I just bought a farm here. Like, I'm eventually going to move to maybe south of France or somewhere in Italy to like, really settle at some point. I can feel that coming. I've built an entire, like, business, like a multimillion dollar business off my cell phone, doing Instagram readings and then just teaching people how to work with their energy fields, New moon and full moon workshops. Like, so it just, I don't know, I just kind of was like, I'm gonna see how this goes. And then you test out the waters and you don't want to, like, only rely on the response and reaction because, like, sometimes you're in the wrong environment. You know what I mean? So you need to, I talk about this in my book also changing your environment before you're changing yourself and understanding, like where you are being held and surrounded by whom and what parts of like their psyches are you triggering? Because if you're around somebody who has a healthy psyche, who knows that there's enough for all of us and knows that we all have the capacity to create the life that we want and build these incredible things and that we should all have money and all have freedom and all have sovereignty and like, then when I'm presenting my ideas around people like that, they get very excited because they know if I win, they win. Vice versa, we all grow. But if you're around people with like a more wounded psyche or more shadow aspects or the unhealed parts of themselves, then you start getting a lot of like their projections and their fears and their limits and that you shouldn't do this and that's not going to work. And la, la, la. So there's part of me that is always like, I have, I have a real problem with authority, even sometimes my inner authority, when I know I should do something, part of me is like, no, I'm not going to do that. And I'll like rebel against it, which is not great. I think a lot of us probably do that. But I think any of those challenges, those moments of like friction or like authority telling me that I can't or I shouldn't or that's not how things are like that, it hits me like this, this wave that I then almost pull inside of me and push me. I use that same power to push back. So that has naturally just. And like, for me it's a bit easier. There are people who have more challenge in doing that, but we're all capable of harnessing that energy and then actually using it to our advantage. So I think that I've just done that enough times that I started building enough self trust and confidence that I'm like, I'm actually good. Like I'm actually super, you know, wise and intelligent. Like, I can figure this out logically. I'm intuitive. I'll find the flow here. I know I can generate abundance and resources, so that's not a problem. So over time and it, you know, I wasn't always making millions of dollars, but there was definitely moments where I would need money and I'd be struggling and then like, it would just show up at the perfect time and I'd have enough to do the thing. And so that level of like, relationship with the universe, with co creating my reality in a way where I'm trusting myself enough to take a step and then trusting that the universe will catch me even if I still like scrape my knee or whatever, you know what I mean? Like, it just. It always kind of works. So over time, that builds confidence, and it actually is building relationship with the universe, with your guides and stuff like that, so then they're more willing and. And quicker to show up. So it just kind of. I don't know. I mean, we talked about a lot of things there, not just the answer to your question, but I'm kind of wired that way. And we all are. And we all need to build trust and confidence in the relationship with that part of ourselves. And the more you do that, the more you're able to go through these moments of, like, friction or loss or fracture and to just be like it. Like, I know I'll get myself out of this. Like, I've survived, you know, 100% of my hardest days, so, like, I'll get through this one too, type thing. So. Yeah. Does that kind of answer a question?

B

Totally. It reminds me of, like, with the cringe. So during COVID I started doing these, like, daily just Instagram lives where I was just dancing. And I love to twerk, but I'm a spiritual teacher, like, focused on like, Ayurveda and Dharma and this. But I fucking love to shake my ass. And so people are like, teach us how to twerk. So I started doing, like, conscious twerk shops and stuff. And some people loved it, some people hated it. And they're like, who are you? And it was kind of before, like, spirituality and twerking became one. I would like to say I was kind of part of that movement, but. But they thought you're doing this for attention. Like, who do you think you are? That's not Ayurveda. And I was getting so much hate. And part of me, of course, like, wanted to block every comment and respond to them and, like, stalk who they are and, like, you know, just get so angry about it. But then another part of me was just like, you know what? I know I'm actually moving the needle if it's creating such a trigger for people. Because just as many people who hate it, there are people who love it. And I feel like we all want to, you know, have a magnetic personality, but I think it comes in that not afraid of being unliked, being the rebel, going against the norm. Because if you're just like that perfect spiritual person that wears all white and does everything like everyone else, you're just unmemorable, you know? And I feel like so many people try to get into content creation like that. Like, okay, human design is trending. So I'LL talk about human design. Oh, now it's actually nervous system regulation. I'll do the nervous system regulation. And it's like, but who are you? And I love how you've brought your you ness to everything you do. Your style, your way of speaking, your way of communicating. And I don't know what percentage of your audience, you know, actually uses the ASL that you're using, but it's like, that's also just become part of you. It like adds this other element of, of branding. And I feel like, like that's what personal branding really is. It's like taking these, like, different quadrants of ourselves and bringing it together, even if it's not necessarily all going to be a fit for one person. But, like, I am all of these things and I'm gonna let that shine completely, I think.

A

I mean, I do have a decent amount of deaf followers or hard of hearing followers who use American Sign Language. So, yeah, I, I was doing it just because I was professionally an interpreter for like over a decade or working with the deaf community for over a decade. I was professionally interpreting for I think nine or 10 years and then making art, music and a bunch of stuff. And when I started uploading content, yeah, part of me was like, why would I not put sign language in it? Because I know deaf people don't have tons of access to this type of stuff and like, I can do it anyway, so why would I not? And even that I got a lot of pushback. I still see comments like, rarely and randomly from people who are like, oh, this hearing person is, you know, using ASL to gain clout and blah. And part of me is like, first of all, fuck off. Second of all, this is all misdirected anger. And third of all, like, would you rather I just don't use sign language? Then you have zero access to this information. Like, what the fuck are you talking about? You know what I mean? And then I know that I have enough, like, I see the response I get from enough deaf people that are like, thank you. I've been following you for years. I love what you do. And I include interpreters, like my entire book. Right now we are actively building out the entire book, every chapter in American Sign Language with like deaf creators, deaf interpreters, myself, the workshops, the freebies. So, like, for the first time, I think, ever, like a publishing house. Well, it's not even the publishing house. I'm actually doing it, funding it myself. It has nothing to do with them, but, but like, that whole book is gonna be in American Sign Language. So there's these moments where, like, yeah, if you're twerking and, you know, maybe that is a good entry point for some people to open the door to spirituality because they're like, this bitch is cool. She's twerking. She's hot and fun, and I can still, like, you know, open my mind to new concepts. Like, that, to me, is a way better entry point than somebody who is being consciously or unconsciously manipulated by the people who are in all white with the big hats, and. And they're always centered, and they're, like, you know, saying the same that everybody says. And not to say that those people don't have skills or abilities or impact. It's just that, like, I'm really nervous around anything that is, like, dogmatic or, like, holier than thou or, like, so clean and pure that, like, la, la, la. It's just like, you're literally not those things. So if you're trying to present an image like that, then your work is already rooted in manipulation, which is the opposite of the work that I want to do, which is, like, sovereignty and severance from any of these things that are, like, extractive. And those people are literally extractive because they're trying to pull you into their belief system. So that can do whatever, set themselves up as some guru or thought leader or whatever it is. And I don't know. I just. I feel like when we have moments that are created from, like, true authenticity, which is you being like, wait, what if I just, like, twerk and then invite people into meditation? It's like, yeah, that's fucking cool. It's also 20, 26 people want to twerk. You know, it's like, we need to play with the times and play with the energy, and we need to meet people where they're at. And people right now are twerking. So it's like, why would we not? Don't you also have a song, I swear to God, on my Spotify, a song called, like, twerk for your ancestors or something?

B

Ancestors? Yes.

A

Well, I literally was, like, driving my car this. I did not put the song on. It came on my Spotify. I was on, like, a random Spotify radio playing all these songs, and there was a moment I was just, like, dancing, and I'm, like, laughing at the song. And then on the. On the. The title or whatever, it was like Sahara Rose was like, wait a second. Is this the podcast girl that I'm talking to? I'm like, this is so funny.

B

I make music now.

A

Oh, my God, I love that. So.

B

But it's like taking your shadow, owning it, and, like, sharing it, you know? And I love that of. You know, I never thought of it as manipulation because I think it's subconscious. Right? Like, we all feel like, oh, I did Kundalini Yoga, and it helped me. So, like, everyone must do Kundalini Yoga. I did this thing or that thing. And it's coming from this place of wanting to help. But I think the problem is the most. The most extreme voice gets, like, is the loudest in the room. And then people think, oh, you must be so sure about yourself. That must be the answer. When the truth is, like, I don't know. Like, I struggle every day. Like, I'm writing this book right now about alchemizing heartbreak, and I'm, like, still going through heartbreaks all the time, you know, and it's like, it's just part of it.

A

Yeah, that's just. It's literally just part of it. The.

B

The.

A

The journey, the process, it never ends. And, like, everything that I wrote in my book is things that I've gone through and experienced to some degree, and I continue to experience it. Like, I always come back to grief. I always come back to bending time and working with, like, the past, the future, in a way that is allowing me to, like, reshape my reality now based on, like, quantum entanglement, quantum mechanics, and like, retro causality, for example, where I want to go back and I want to reclaim parts of myself and the ripple effect that that has moves through into the present moment, and it literally. It literally reshapes my reality. So, like, these things that we experience that we move through, whether they're, like, you know, some of the cooler things, that's like, learning how to literally bend a spoon or, like, deep grief or, like, anger, whatever, like, all of those parts of us are ever active and always alive to some degree. So I think as soon as we start pretending that they're not, or labeling them as bad, evil, not good, whatever, it. Like, this is where we just begin to, like, put the cap on. So many energies and emotions that want to move, and then when you put that cap on, they have nowhere to go, and they just sit inside and they just wreak havoc. Right? So I think, yeah, like, just being where you are, and sometimes you're not in a good place. Like, I'm not in a great place at the moment, which is crazy, because, like, on some level, you know, over the last three days, like, something clicked, and I've just been, like, generating, like, so much money again, I'm like, amazing. So, like, I have all this money coming in on one side. Another thing is, like, my book project is out. Like, I think we had 6,000 pre orders or something. So, like, people are, like, really gaining momentum. We already. I don't know what number it was, but we were already on like, the USA Today's, like, bestsellers list. Like, there's things that are moving that I'm like, cool, this is exciting. And at the same time, like, I am quite literally in one of the darkest, densest periods of my life where I am like, so I'm just drowning in so many ways in grief, in anger, in loss, in. In everything. And it's like the universe right now is wringing me out and I can just feel where everything is getting so tight and I'm forced to, like, set boundaries and let go of people and change the way that I do things. And I've been in that process for, like, probably like a year now. The last six months have been building, but the last, like two to three months have been really, really crazy. And it was funny because yesterday I was talking about on Instagram that we had like, the luckiest day of the year, which was Jupiter and Venus coming together, which happened on the 9th and the 10th, which is the day that we're recording this. So these are really benefic planets. Both of these planets, they want good things for us. And they're both in Cancer, which is the area of the sky that they really enjoy being. So you have two really pleasant, powerful, opportunistic, lovely planets related to money, abundance, health, vitality and receiving and resting, and our divine feminine, like, this creative, opportunistic energy. And they're in Cancer, where they love to be. So everything's feeling incredible. And I was talking about this yesterday online, and I'm seeing people who are also experiencing extreme difficulty, like myself. And they're saying things like, how is this the luckiest day I'm having? The worst day ever. And I had to also, like, pull myself out of my own shit show to be like, I know that what's happening right now doesn't feel nice, and it isn't good. And it's. It's a lot. It's a lot to process, mentally, emotionally, physically. There's a lot of loss, there's a lot of betrayal, there's a lot of anger, There's a lot of everything. And. And these moments in the sky when these planets are coming together are reminding us that, like, there is actually a higher mechanism right now, that is helping orchestrate all of the difficulties that I'm going through currently. Because all of the difficulties, although it's a lot of discomfort, it's course correction, and it's people that should not be around me, it's people that cannot hold the vision of what I'm building. It's people who do not have the capacity or the competence to literally take care of me and the projects and the. The softness that I require as a human. I'm not just a product. I'm not just a thing that is going to be here paying everyone's bills, taking care of everybody all the time and fixing everything all the time, and. And the universe is right now reminding me of that and peeling all of that off of me and cutting so much stuff out of my life while reminding me that, like, can you lean into the softness? Can you lean into and create a list of all the things that you're grateful for, all the incredible things that are happening, which is like, you know, money is flowing, your book is moving, you're having these cool podcast opportunities. Like, you know, there's new energies coming, but 80% of my life is actually deconstruction, and it's intense. So. Oh, my God, I don't know how we even got here. We're, like, talking about. I'm, like, on a tangent now about this energy, but my point is it doesn't always feel good, and we need to just be where we're at. And it's. I'm doing a disservice if I'm presenting to the world that, like, I'm actually totally fine and you guys are all a mess. You know what I mean? I'm like, I'm also fucking in it. So, yeah, I don't know. I just felt like that was, for whatever reason, important to share.

B

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A

Yeah, I think this was part of it, too, that I was like, I'm just gonna keep going, keep pushing myself, because I know, like, I can generate, like, 100 grand a month, like, with my ey closed like that I know I can do. So I know that I've got me. I know that I. At the end of the day, if everything fails, I can still show up and do my thing and I'll be okay, but. Because I'll be okay. I was not prioritizing me being okay. I was putting me at the bottom of that list. And I was prioritizing everybody else to make sure that everybody else was okay. Because at the end of the day, if I have to clean myself up, I can do that. So why don't I just stretch myself as thin as fucking possible to just like, make sure everybody else has what they need and make sure that, you know, like, it became this really gross dynamic that we don't need to get into this. But in hindsight, and I've been doing a lot of work around this, is a lot of my patterning from childhood. And I don't think that I've ever really understood how dramatically influenced and shaped we are by our parents and our environments. Until you get to a point where it is so loud that you have just been trying to save everybody. Hold everything together, not speak up for, you know, what you really need. Prioritizing yourself, not having uncomfortable conversations because you think if you say something, you know someone's going to attack you. Like, just the mechanisms in which I have been operating are literally like family dynamics and, and the fear and the scarcity that I've carried through years of hiding myself and not speaking up and not being able to, you know, whatever, share what I want to share. Because if I do, then I'm either going to be like, outed for being gay or I'm going to be attacked, I'm going to be targeted, or I'm going to be told that I'm ungrateful. Look at everything we've given you and you want more and blah. So it's like you get into these, like, these patterns that are so unconscious, get amplified when you're dealing with relationships, when you're dealing with money. And the more money you deal with, the. The deeper the relationships get, the more intimate you get with people. And I actually, I have a whole chapter in my book called the Relationships as Mirrors. And I talk about the four Fs, and these are the four categories that will tell you every fucking thing that you need to know about yourself. The first category is your finances. So how you make money, how you spend money, how you keep your own money and don't just bleed it out and leak it everywhere. The next one is your friends. So who are you actually surrounding yourself with? Because that says a lot about you. The next one is your family. What type of relationship do you have with your family? And what do they do or not do that triggers the shit out of you? And the last group is the people you. The people you fuck are also going to show you a lot about yourself. Your self respect, who you let in your bed, who you share your body with. So I just, you know, I love money, and I think that money is an incredible tool. And I really don't believe that money is evil or anything like that. And I do believe that spiritual quote unquote, people can also be fucking super rich. And that's okay. And, you know, it's. It's what we do with our money that matters. And I really like to, you know, donate and support, like, whoever I can, but money is an amplifier. So if you're a nice person, money's gonna amplify that. And money did amplify that for me. But money also amplified all of my wounds, and it amplified all of my familial dynamics that I have not cleaned up yet. So now, over the last. Probably since October, it's been so in my face and so loud, which doesn't surprise me because we were getting to the end of the calendar year, so there's always things that bubble up, and then we are getting to the end of the energetic year, so then more things bubble up, and then my birthday is in June, which is what, 60 days after the equinox. So it's like. So I always find from, like, October to, like, July is a time of, like, all the shit's gonna come up. Pay attention. What needs to go, because these are things that are not coming into the next cycle. And because last year equaled a 9 in numerology, a lot of us were probably. Probably noticing that, like.

B

And the snake.

A

And the snake. Exactly. A lot of us are probably noticing last year, September, October, November, December was showing us a lot of, like, this cannot come forward with you. Not even next year, but next cycle. Like, these are big cycles that we're closing. So I just. Yeah, I feel like being in it right now is. It's crazy. I'm like, I. Yeah, I'm strapped. I don't have any energy. I don't have extra money. I don't have extra, you know, and. And I'm going through a deep purging of, like, setting boundaries with people. Friends, family, co workers. I'm letting go a lot of people that have worked for me that just. I don't feel aligned with anymore. And I'm really also realizing that, like, the money that the universe bestowed upon me was actually money for me, first and foremost. That's why it came to me. And what I want to do with that is. Is great, but I need to save some for myself. And, like, what I'm not going to do is in five years from now, look back and be like, oh my God, I've now made another $15 million and I don't have any of it for myself because I, I gave it to everybody else for whatever reason, you know. So there's like a deep, deep shift happening right now in me that really is around sovereignty and like just taking what's mine, actually receiving what's mine. Because had I believed that money was mine, then I would still have more of it.

B

You know, there's so much there and I feel like those four categories that you said, I saw it in your book, I'm like, that's so key. And I feel like the universe oscillates. Like you're in the finances section and then sometimes you're in the family section, in the friend section and the fucking section. And you know, you got to, you can't do all of the PhDs at once, you know. But what you're sharing about of like making large sums of money and losing it is extremely common. It actually happens. Like majority, like Michael Jackson, like I think he died in massive debt, you know, and he was a, he was a self made billionaire. And another woman, Danielle Leslie, and she's been sharing about this really publicly and even started a substack about it. She made $25 million from her online business and ended up in debt. And so it's like, how, like, how does this keep happening? And it's like our nervous systems, we're just, we just haven't been able to expand to that level of capacity. And I think also we got really excited especially with doing a physical business, right? Like you create, you wanted to create this epic space and like how beautiful. Like you wanted to create a community hub. But Internet money is so different than like brick and mortar money, you know, like we're so blessed to be at this time where you can start a podcast, YouTube channel, Instagram, et cetera, and make $20,000 a month, even a hundred thousand dollars a month. Like I remember for me during like, like Covid time, shit, I was making it rain, you know, and it's, it's not just not like that anymore. It's just not like that, you know, and, and then I think we get, we think, oh, I made this money. Now it's always going to be like this. So let me do the more mature business move which is like invest in this kind of business and that like these old models that just like aren't working anymore. Rents are so high, overhead is so high, products are so high. Every day I have someone like, oh, let's start a business of like, I don't know, a jewelry line or a skincare, this. And I'm like, you don't understand how hard it is to sell physical products, you know, and so sometimes it's like to remind us of the blessing that we have that like our wisdom, our personality, our nuance, our way of seeing the world is the product and that's enough. And it doesn't need to be this like, big business beyond us. And then you can spend your money on like, you can start a non profit if you want. Like, there's so many ways that we can help. And I feel like we think it needs to be this like, setting up another business. And it's like, not really. And I feel like as, as a Capricorn, you know, I just, just make myself like when I get money, 20 of it, I put in a savings account that I can't touch.

A

Yeah.

B

And I've just been doing that. And even though it's like less fun, you know, it's just made me think, okay, well already I'm gonna have to give 50 of this to tax, and already I'm gonna put 20 of this in. This is about this thing. So I don't actually have this amount of money. And so I'm not being like, I made 100 grand. It's like, oh, I made like 30 actually. You know, and then I'm starting to think like that. And then I think also as you just go on in time, it's like, what do we really need? Like, we actually don't need that much. And I rather have my money sitting in an investment account where it's multiplying than like, I don't know, on some new outfit that I'm never gonna wear again, you know?

A

Totally. Yeah. I think there's definitely waves of like, I had my like, designer shopping wave where I was probably dropped, I don't know, an insane amount of money on just like shoes and bags and this and that and, and I had it. And it wasn't like I made five grand and I spent five grand. It was like, I just made a hundred grand. I'm gonna go shopping for five and I'm gonna buy whatever the I want and I'm gonna go to this amazing hotel that's, you know, $2,000 a night and just like enjoy myself and. And I don't even think that those are bad things. And like, I'm very much looking forward to doing that again. You know what I mean? Like, I could technically go do it right now. I just feel like it wouldn't be the most responsible thing, because I know especially, like, being in Portugal and it's like, this socialist economy and the structures here, like, I need to let go of certain people. Okay, well, for me to let go of those people, like, I had a conversation with my accountant that was like, if I want to close the doors of Wheelhouse and just unplug it just for, like, six months so I don't have to fucking think about anything, I'm just going to close the doors. I'm going to say I'm taking a divine pause. Like, what does that look like? It was going to cost me €68,000 just to close the doors based off of, like, all of the shit that I have to pay out to each and every employee so that they're taken care of. Like, this is just the way that the government is structured, so. Okay, cool. You know, we're. We're going through that right now, and part of me is like, does now feel like the best time to go and spend $5,000 on shoes in a hotel? Like, no. So obviously, there's moments of like, okay, let's be really intentional about how the money is being spent. And those times where I was spending, you know, crazy amounts of money on, like, travel or whatever, I also, I think that year donated, like, probably $45,000 to just, like, random charities that I would just be like, pick a bunch of charities, make sure they're legit, and just like, throw them all 5k or 10k or this or that. And so I was definitely in, like, moving the money. But I think what's important is that now just what I want for myself is different. Like, I. I bought this farm. I want to, you know, upgrade things at the farm. I want to make other investments that are actually going to stabilize my future in a way that is more supportive than just. Just, you know, random shopping. But, I mean, there's. There's space for all of it. If you have money to do all of it, great, do whatever you want. Like, I. I don't think it's a good thing or a bad thing. I think that if you have the money to some degree, you also need to move the money, play with the money, because that shows that, like, money likes being with you. Money likes to be spent by you. When you set that precedent energetically, that, like, money loves me, because when it comes to me, I can. Can do something with it, create something with it, give it to somebody who needs it. And, like, that moves the energy of money. I talk about things like this. I have this abundance activation workshop that really sort of a lot of people think it's like a quick fix, and then they'll email us being like, oh, like, I thought that that was gonna teach me xyz. And I'm like, no, guys, I'm teaching you literally the fabric of creating abundance in your life. And in order to do that, you know, there's very specific things that you can activate and. And one of them is the movement of the money.

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at Venus, because Venus is how you receive. I would also look at your 10th house. Your 10th house is your career sector or your midheaven. If you look for your your midheaven, I believe it's presented as like an mc that is career focus, Energetics. I would also look at your fourth house, which is like daily routines. So, like, what Are you doing every day? Are you cooking every day? Are you eating out every day? Are you buying a $7 iced coffee every day? Which really adds up in a year, you know what I mean? So, yeah, I think those are probably the three places I would look. You could also definitely look at where Saturn is, because Saturn is going to be investments, debts, it's going to be contracts and agreements, negotiations, like investments of time, energy, money, things like that, how you use resources. Your second house would also be a good house to look at. That's a house around contracts. In modern day astrology, it's the house that's ruled by Taurus. And Taurus is again, our resources. So money, resources, how we cultivate and invest our time. And then how does that, like, what does that give us back? You know what I mean? Because it's not just about your actual work or your actual spending. It's also like, what are you doing with your time? Like, are you complaining about not having enough money, but then you come home and you just like, order Uber eats and binge watch Netflix for six hours, have a glass of wine and go to bed like, okay, well, that right there is like you are pissing away your most vital resource, which is your energy, your attention and your time. And you're not going to get any of those things back. Every person right now who's on my team of like, supporting me as a human, all of them keep saying the same thing. They're like, wait, just fucking wait. This is gonna come back to you tenfold. Like, you, oh, you made 6 million. Wait till you make 60 million. Like this shit, you have to lose everything. Because the way you made it the first time was so unstable and so unsustainable and you were surrounded by so many people. So I don't even look at, like, you know, the $4 million is gone and that's taking out of it, like, wheelhouse and my home and like my cars and things like that. Like, the actual money that was spent on labor over the last, you know, four years and all of these different teams and people and whatever things that we tried, like, that was just the cost of me being as wise as I am now, which means, like, I will never fucking. I'm telling you right now, there are so many things I will never do again. And like, great. Some of those mistakes cost me a thousand, some of them cost me 60,000. But, like, the money will come back. You know what I mean? Like, I'm not worried about the money coming back. So it's the time, the Energy, the attention, the love. People holding on to potential. And this isn't just business. This is like friends, family, love, all of it. You know what I mean? The four Fs. So I would be more scared of any of us, your listeners, you and myself included. I'd be more scared of investing another year of your time into the wrong person. I'd be more scared of that rather than, like, I'm scared to, like, sell everything and move somewhere else and try something new or to give this all up and give it a go. Because, like, that's where you're actually going to create a huge change in your life. The money will come. You'll meet new people. You know what I mean? But if you spend another year in the job that you fucking hate or that guy that you know doesn't really love you or know is cheating on you or knows lying or whatever it is, you know what I mean? It's like, you're gonna really kick yourself. Like, that's something that you're not gonna bounce back from as quickly as just, like, losing money or taking a risk.

B

Totally. Yeah. And as you shared that, it kind of sounds like, you know, you're feeling like everyone's first serious relationship. And it starts because of the chemistry and, like, the personality and, like, all of these things. And it's like the hires that you're making, and then you see that the foundation wasn't solid, and then you start to be like, damn, maybe I should ask, like, what are you looking for in a relationship? Are you even ready for a relationship? And, like, these bigger questions that you just don't think to ask. Because when you're younger, that's kind of part of the magic. You go with the flow, you feel into things and. And, you know, at the same time, I think it makes things go faster, you know, because you. You didn't overthink it. You were able to make such a business. And I would say even the. The time and the energy, even on the team, was not wasted either, because you learned how to be a boss. You know, you learned how to manage people. Like, these are such unique skill sets that, like, you. You'll bring with you everywhere. And same with dating. Like, I was in a relationship for eight years, and he ended up cheating on me, and it didn't work. And at the beginning, I'm like, I can't believe I wasted eight years of my life with this person and, you know, feeling that, like, I loved him so much and this is how he treated me. And it's like oh, my God. I got the opportunity to love. I got to see my own capacity for loving. And. And that just sets the bar of, like, if this is already what I manifested, imagine now with this level of growth and this level of healing and this level of nuance, what I'm going to manifest in moving forward, it's like, it's incomparable because it's like, it never gets smaller. Like, it never gets worse. Only if you give up, like, that is the only way. And it's like the people who are like, you know, I could have been the next Aerosmith, but I don't know. My band broke apart and I never played the guitar again. It's like, okay, that's why you didn't. But I was actually reading about Tina Turner and how she was with Ike Turner, and it was like, kind of like narcissistic, like, emotionally abusive relationship. And when she finally got out of it, I think she was like, in her 50s or something. And they're like, your career is done. Like, nothing's gonna happen. And she ended up becoming bigger than she ever was before in her career, moved to Switzerland, married this, like, Swiss multi millionaire, and like, lived the rest of her years there. So it's like, it's. Or like even Sunny and Cher, when. When Sunny was kind of controlling their career. And then when Cher left Sunny, they're like, no one cares about you as an independent artist. Like, they only care about Sunny and Cher. And it's like, no one remembers Sunny. We all remember Cher. I mean, icon, right? So it's like, it's just time for part two. That's it.

A

Yeah, I think there's definitely something to be said about coming back the second time or like that second wind that we get. And I'm even experiencing that with Wheelhouse. I'm like, preparing to either literally close the doors for a couple months and just like, unplug so I can, like, really feel into what I want to do there and how I want to do it. And then really aligning with the right people, because aligning with the wrong people, even if you have the right vision, is like, fucking awful because you're just sitting there paying people to do something incorrectly, and then you're causing more problems for yourself and you're wasting money doing it. So it just becomes this really stupid dynamic. And not to say that everybody there, you know, didn't know what they were doing, but there was definitely enough people that I was just like, I don't know how we got aligned, but I do think that I see the way people respond to being in the space. I see clients. There are so many people who literally will fly in from around the world. Like, there was somebody today that I met there that was like, we were doing a whole trip in Colorado, or we're doing a whole trip in Europe. We're from Colorado. We were gonna fly, you know, directly to Italy or whatever, but we stopped in Portugal because we wanted to come see Wheelhouse. We wanted to see you. We wanted to say hi. So, like, I see that there is a desire for people to arrive there, and I see the way that the locals experience it. Like, it's an incredible space. So I know it's not about the space or the project. It's about how we're holding it and what we're doing there. And I think that all is. All of this is to say that, like, when you're in the mess, and this is what I've been in now for the last couple months, with just so many relationships changing and across the board, friends, family, love, work, like me, really coming into my sovereignty and really understanding what I need and really beginning to ask for it. Therefore, creating boundaries and inviting people into a new dynamic. And if they can't meet me in that new dynamic, then they either need to rise and try, or they need to go, or they'll have a full blown meltdown. Because now the dynamic is changing and they're realizing that with my new boundaries, they can't take advantage of this situation anymore. So you get this really sort of of volatile potential response from people. But as you move through that clearing and you begin to peel back everything that creates so much drama and noise and chaos and fear and reactivity in your life, and you start, like, severing those ties. And really, like, I'm moving through so much severance and sovereignty right now, which is like, clear this. I want to be alone. I want to sit on my farm by myself. I don't want to have these conversations anymore. I can't solve your problems. I'm not here to pay for all your shit. I'm not here to, like, sort things out for you. Like, leave me the alone and let me hear myself. And if I can just sit with myself and really feel into what I even want to do next. Same with Wheelhouse. I need to get everything off. I want to understand what Wheelhouse wants to be, what it needs to be, and from that space, then decide how I want to move forward. Like, that's the only way all of us can really intentionally create a reality that Feels better is by getting out of the fucking noise first, calming everything down, slowing everything down, and then making a decision. But so many of us are like in the shit trying to solve the problems while the problems are around us non stop. And it's like we can't come up for a fucking breath to like think clearly for a second. So if you find yourself or any of us, like in so much drama at work or in so much drama at home or the relationship or whatever, like friendship dynamics, you literally need to get out, like you have to get out of the energy for a second. You need to create boundaries to not let that into your immediate space and environment. And you need to just hear yourself for a second because that's really the only way forward. And I think that if we can do that, if we can unplug, reset, center ourselves, decide and then act, that is going to generate. Oh my God, like this is when wheelhouse is really going to take off. This is when my net, my business, my book, everything is really going to move because it's all an energetic extension of me. And if I'm good and I'm prioritizing myself and I am full of life and vitality and vibrancy and expansion, then everything around me is also. But when we're in the mess and the shit and the drama and the fear and the scarcity, everything around me is also in that. So this is just like I said at the beginning, it's really bringing to my attention right now, like so many of these childhood dynamics that have created so much chaos and fear and scarcity and reactivity. And I've been operating in that space for so long and now I'm so aware of the patterns that I'm, I'm closing the gaps, I'm closing the loops, clearing out those things and then I can begin to actually hold myself in a mature, refined way, understanding who I am now instead of who I was 25 years ago, like who I am now and what I want now. And making decisions from this place creates a ripple effect and like that's when things really, really will begin to change. And I really, I trust this process. Like, mark my words, if we talk in a year from now, like everything's going to be completely different, you know, so yeah, it's just we can't figure it out sometimes when you're, your head is just like in the fucking mud,

B

you know, And I would say like the problem that you have and anyone that's in it right now that like there's so much going on, it's chaotic. Actually, it's a good problem because it means you're moving a lot. It means there's a lot of momentum and there's a lot of action. There's a lot of manifestation. Because, like, the contrary, I think what most people struggle with is nothing's moving, nothing's changing. I think you wrote about that in your book of the energy of being stuck, right? Most people, like, live in that very invaders. They say tomosic energy, where it's like nothing's moving. Everything's the same, same pattern, same routine. Another year goes by, nothing changed. Then some. Some of us, like you and I, a lot of entrepreneurs and creators, it can get too rajasic, where it's like chaos, things going on. It's like, oh, my God, I need a fucking break. But it's like, that's fire, you know, that's things moving. And then it's like, how can we find the balance of. Of the two of them incorporating the other elements? Like allowing yourself to have the flow, allowing yourself to have the air. I noticed, like, similarly, energetically, I would get in the same relational dynamics of, like, fireworks, chemistry, sparks, ends just as quickly again. Another one, another one. And then I was like, you know what? I'm just gonna stop dating. It's. This is just not working for me right now. And then from spending just so much time with myself, just tending to my own nervous system, creating a sense of peace. The moment I could feel anyone's energy was chaotic before, maybe that would have been a form of excitement for me, right? And then it actually became an ick. I'm like, oh, my God. I retrained my nervous system to see that. Not as a childhood wound of like, oh, my God, we're gonna have so much chemistry, and it's gonna be like all the songs you listen to instead, just like, ugh. Like, I just don't want to do this because it's just not worth it for me anymore because it's gonna take away my energy from everything else, you know? And I feel like that's like such a gift of. As you get older and wiser and connecting to that king and queen energy, it's the discernment and the boundaries and, like, you've been speaking about and hold. Holding that there. And I feel like so many of us, it's like the people pleaser in us that, like, we just want to love, we just want to save everyone. We just want to bring everyone to our vision with us. And it's like, we just can't do that. But there are, I feel, beautiful, patience, quiet people that can fit into our new vision. But often those aren't even the people that we're able to see when we're in the energy of chaos too completely.

A

And it's not even that we can't bring some of them. Like, some of them are not supposed to go. Like, they're. It's. It's not even about their ability. It's like they're just not karmically aligned with the next phase of your life. So being able to just release that and release that with gratitude. And I don't think that that means the friendship failed or the relationship failed or the business failed. It just means that, like, that was part of the learning cycle that has now come to closure. And, like, what are you doing next? And who with and how? And I think there are so many moments where, like, yeah, on one level, you're right. There's a lot happening. There's a lot manifesting around me. A lot of what is manifesting is release and decay and destruction and the deconstruction of old paradigms and systems and structures that don't work and are not sustainable for where I'm going. And at the same time, I can feel energetically where, like, I'm in a new place mentally, I'm in a new place, emotionally, I'm in a new place. But so many of us are stuck in the messy middle, which is something that I talk about in my book, where we're like, juggling two personalities at once. We're juggling two realities, we're juggling two experiences. And one of them is the old life that is being deconstructed. The other one is the new life that has only, really only arrived energetically and has not yet physically manifested. So we're holding on to this vision and this feeling of something new. And maybe there's little pieces, like, you know, I'm in my new apartment. There's still boxes everywhere. Like, I haven't actually unpacked everything, but. But I know that this new life, this new energy, the new people that are showing up, the new conversations I'm having, nothing has fully formed. And that's what also makes me feel stuck and frustrated and annoyed. And it's because the majority of my energy is actually going into the deconstruction of the old paradigm, which is completely necessary. So we get really frustrated. And I find that there's a lot of people who right now are moving through that messy middle. They're moving through the gap Gap where they know energetically, emotionally, something has shifted and they're operating in a new paradigm, but everything shows up in the 3D physical form last. And we're currently experiencing what we have been building for the last six months and six years and, and 10 years of our life or whatever. So we're like operating in a new space, but experiencing the old. And now we're going through this, this, this moment of. Well, that transition period causes a lot of friction and a lot of discomfort. And that's when all of our like, survival mechanisms get activated also, like our fight or flight, our coping mechanisms. Like, I'll have to literally like break off a piece of a chocolate bar, put it in a cabinet, and like walk away before I start eating it. Because I'm like, if I eat this piece of the chocolate bar in the kitchen and the chocolate bar is still here, I'm gonna eat the whole fucking thing because I just want to like, numb out and I, I don't want. You know what I mean? So it's like we need to be so aware of our like, coping mechanisms. Like, what are you eating, what are you drinking? How are you processing your, your grief and your anger? Are you just isolating? Because a lot of the time I will just isolate and be like, I'll just figure this out on my own. And today I actively went to a somatic practitioner and had a huge release and it was like, wow, I haven't cried in front of somebody and been held by somebody in a way that felt very safe in like, I can't remember the last time. So that was like a really intentional thing for me to do. Like, I cooked dinner tonight at home. Like, there's a reason I did that because I'm like, I want to cultivate more groundedness, more connection to my body more. I don't want to just numb out or go fuck someone or go shopping or go. You know what I mean? It's like we need to be really aware of how those patterns and mechanisms show up. And then sometimes, yeah, you want to shop, you want to eat the whole chocolate bar, you want to someone, you want to do it all on the same day. Like, great, do it. Who cares? You know? Like, we're human. But

B

yeah, it sounds like you're self fathering yourself. You're being your own inner father.

A

It's a complete reparenting. Like, and it needs to be. And it's as simple as like, okay, it's 10:30. Like, put your phone down, go to bed. Like, go to bed, you know, What? I mean, like, and, and you'll see. And oh my God, you guys have probably experienced this too, where you like, you close Instagram. As soon as it closes, you click Instagram and you will reopen it again. And I'm like, oh my God, like, am I okay? Like, as soon as I start seeing myself like close an app and immediately reopen the app, I'm like, something's wrong here. Like I, I need to go to bed or like, you know what I mean? So I think my point is the more self aware you are, the more you catch yourself in those moments, then you can interrupt the pattern, which is great. And there's so many ways of pivoting those patterns. Like I talk about these things in my book and I have other collaborators that join us through the book to also teach their perspectives. There's video conversations, like podcasts, there's practices. So many free resources in there. And one of the ones that I loved is doing was specifically pivot the pattern with Thiago. It's like a body movement class that I think it's like probably a 30 minute practice that's there for free. And yeah, like, walking backwards through your apartment helps you begin to activate different parts of your brain that are going to provide you with solutions and problem solving later on when you need to interrupt patterns and figure out how to stop eating the whole chocolate bar or whatever, you know. So yeah, there's a lot of different modalities that you can work with, but sometimes you also just want to eat the chocolate bar and that's okay.

B

Been there more than enough time. So where can listeners get your book and all the amazing resources it comes with?

A

Yeah, so the book is called the Audacity Experiment and it's available like literally everywhere. So you can order it anywhere. You can get it from any bookstore. Most people order from Amazon, or if you're in Australia, I think it's book Booktopia or something like that. You can listen to the audiobook, which I did myself, so it's my voice narrating it. You can watch or read the ebook as well. And then all of the versions come with the American Sign Language version. So we're actively building that out, but I think we already have like maybe eight chapters and a couple of the freebie sort of conversations that are also interpreted. And for anybody who doesn't have the book, like, basically it's a book of like a hundred micro chapters that help you understand the energetic mechanisms in which you are already creating your reality. So I just help you Understand like, oh, these are all the little mechanisms that are influencing my co creation of my reality. And then you can use those to your vantage. So I gently show you what is going on and then inadvertently teach you how to then do that yourself. And then you can create your reality more intentionally. And I would say probably 30 or 40 of the chapters have QR codes. So when you scan those, I've built out the audacityexperiment.com, which is like an entire digital ecosystem. And there's probably like 30 international collaborators, like teachers, poets, therapists, somatic practitioners, grief counselors. Like, it's incredible. We've built this whole ecosystem of teachers and thought leaders and movers and shakers that we, we then have a conversation. So you'll read about grief, for example, and then you scan the QR code and then there's like a 60 minute podcast about grief where I'm talking to like a grief counsel counselor and we're going through this. I worked with that woman for like eight weeks doing my own stuff. She's amazing. And then if you really enjoy that and you liked the free workshop, you can pay to take a deeper workshop that they provide. And then the money that is generated from that goes back to the collaborator. It stays in the project. It goes to charities and organizations around the world. So there's like a ripple effect to your learning and your investment and yeah, that's pretty much it. It's a really, it's a cool project. Everything that I do is just my name, Chris Corsini. So Chris Corsini.com or my Instagram is Chris Corsini. My YouTube, like, whatever. And that's where I focus a little more on like Tarot and astrology and sort of just like, like the cheaper entertainment, sort of like entry points for people to get into spirituality. But, but the book is actually what's going to change your life. The digital workshops, I do like the New moon and Full moon workshops, those tools, the cord cutting workshop, the clearing your limits ceremony. There's a lot of things like that that if you really want to start changing your life, those things are where you want to look. But if you just need quick support, I do like horoscopes and stuff on Instagram and those are super popular. But yeah, the book really isn't like Tarot or astrology. The book is like how you literally change your life.

B

And I saw Ariana Grande unfollowed. You.

A

Yeah, yeah, I wrote about that in the disappointment chapter, which actually got pulled from the book and Then we had a long conversation about putting it back in. There's also. The book is fun because it's, like, at the start of the book, I. I ask you, like, the first page. I'm asking you to rip out one of the pages and, like, so you'll experience that. If you. If you buy the physical book and you look through it, there's also a part where you, like, follow this map thing and kind of flip the book upside down and you're reading backwards and upside down for a whole chapter. There's, like, a secret smut chapter where, like, once you get into this one part, all of a sudden it turns into, like, this, like, random smut metaphor of, like, your whole life unraveling around you, like, this olive tree and Edward Scissorhands on my farm and this guy who comes to, like, strip the tree of all its olives. Anyway, so there's definitely a couple pieces in there that the publisher was like, no. And I was like, yes. And then we had to, like, have this back and forth, but it all got in. So I'm really excited about that. And it just keeps it fun. It's exciting. It's micro chapters. It's funny. Like, it's super easy to read.

B

Well, we will have that link in the show notes. Well, I'm so excited to talk to you in one year from now, and all of this will be behind you. You'll be like, I got. You're like a finance expert. You start a whole new page of money. How to move your money and secure it. Like, seriously, it's like you need to go through the. To become the expert. And so I trust it. The Capricorn in me sees the vision.

A

Yeah, right. I love that. Yeah. You have, like, seven planets in Capricorn.

B

You said seven planets. Yes.

A

That's crazy. Aren't there only, like, nine planets in total? Or, like, how many planets are there?

B

Yeah, so it's pretty much everyone. Like my sun, moon, north node, Saturn, Mercury.

A

Wow.

B

Yeah. I think the only ones that aren't are, like, Pluto and Aquarius.

A

No, Aquarius is an area.

B

I mean. I mean, my Venus. My Venus is in Aquarius.

A

Okay.

B

So Pluto is in Aquarius, and I think Pluto is in Scorpio.

A

Yeah. Because it's generational.

B

Yeah.

A

Yeah. Wow.

B

And I think I have actually, So I think I have, like, one more like Mars. That's not. But everything else is Capricorn.

A

Wow. I have, like, a stellium in Cancer, so that's opposite of yours too.

B

Yeah, I love Cancers.

A

Yeah. So do I. Until they're like, over giving to their own detriment, which is like now what we're not doing. So, yeah, we'll talk about that next year and see how. See how much has changed.

B

Yes, well, we'll have those links for his Instagram, his book, and everything else mentioned in the show notes. Thank you so much for being here today, Chris. And we will see you guys in the next one. Trust your intuition, Trust your inner wisdom Trust your inner guidance Close your eyes and listen. So trust your intuition, Trust your inner wisdom Trust your inner guidance.