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Establishment media sucks August lighting, so good luck. Bullshit. We can't afford why he's commenting this. Watch and see as his jack golf the medium speeds and jumps the medium

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and hits him head on.

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It's the Jimmy Door Show.

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Hello, this is Russell Dobular filling in for Jimmy Dore on vacation on the road. Going, going to see everything, going all the places. We have some amazing guests tonight. We're gonna have some excellent conversations with Professor Zenus and then with Nick Cruz and then we're gonna get into what's going on with flock cameras a little bit Maha betrayed again and the Tyler Robinson case. So first up, Anthony Zenis is a licensed clinical social worker and adjunct lecturer at Columbia University School of Social work with nearly 30 years of experience with Youth and Family Services. He is a recognized expert on trauma, family violence and the impacts of income inequality and racism on the brains and behavior of children, having delivered a notable TEDx talk on the subject in 2016. Beyond his academic and clinical work, Zenkis is an activist who has been involved in Occupy Wall street, the Climate Reality Project, and the fight for 15. Please welcome Professor Anthony Zancas. How are you, Prof. Russell?

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I'm good. You know, fight for 15. That was, I have to open this top button. It looks silly. That was, that, that was a dozen years ago.

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You know, 15.

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15 won't even, you know, to keep a couple of trips on the subway these days. So.

C

Yeah, well, so, so what do you think it should be now?

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The living wage, federal minimum wage, at least what people should be fighting for is minimum of 25 an hour. Federally and states like New York would have to have it higher, as states always do, like many states adjust above it. But I won't vote for any, any candidate and I don't think we should promote any candidate. And it should be a red line in the sand. Who doesn't push for an immediate living wage of at least $25 an hour because you can't live on it. I mean, even as a single person, let alone if you have kids, forget it.

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Okay. Now what about people who say that's going to destroy business and people won't be able to stay in business, they're going to go bankrupt if you make them pay, that people at the bottom won't be able to get jobs. These jobs are for high school kids. What do you say to those things?

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Well, well, first of all, there are families being supported by their high school kids. So there's that, you know, but the reality, first of all, if you can't pay your Workers, your business model is, is not good. But we are giving money hand over fist to Ukraine, to Israel, to everybody. We want to defend defense contract. We could supplement small businesses, give them tax credits or anything like that where they can hire people. I mean it's, it just takes the will and the decision. But if people are telling us like, and I know, you know, a lot of the audience agrees with this, but if our economy is based on paying people a sub living wage.

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Right.

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That's a economy, like.

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Right.

D

That's not an economy.

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Right, right. That's a system that just doesn't work.

D

Yeah. I can't believe you would suggest that. Russell.

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Why are you doing that to me, man? Now there's gonna be that. There's gonna be 50 nerds clipping that saying Russ Dobular against 25 wage.

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It's my fault anyway.

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Okay. Last time I talked to you was during the, the crazy days at Columbia. That was around the time. That was when I still went to LA to guest host for Jimmy.

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Wow.

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I was, I was actually flying into New York as the police raided Hamilton hall and watching it happen on cnn.

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Holy. On.

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On the screen, on the plane and

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we called h. So what's that? Hin Hall.

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That's right.

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Been renamed and I still refer to it as that. Only that. But that was insane. I mean the amount of police that were there. If you could see what they had on 116th street, like where the protests all were. But.

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Right, right.

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Hundreds.

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Right, right.

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Cops. I've never seen anything like it. It was insane.

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Right. They were all up. That's Amsterdam Avenue there, right? Yeah, yeah, they were all lined up. I saw, I saw it on CNN as I'm flying into jfk. So about a year ago, it's about a year ago now, they came to an agreement here, Columbia University to pay $200 million in settlement with the Trump administration. Read a little bit of this. The White House's decision led Columbia to enact campus rule changes to. This is the decision being. The White House withheld 400 million in federal funding. So Columbia is supposed to pay this over three years now, this $200 million for supposedly not protecting their Jewish students. So they've enacted campus rule changes demanded by the administration, including the reorganization of its Middle Eastern studies department and and hiring a team of special officers empowered to remove students from campus and make arrests. The agreement codifies many changes the college has already announced and includes that a jointly selected independent monitor will be appointed to assess implementation of the agreement. Some of those adjustments include disciplining students who were part of the encampment on the university's campus as part of the Gaza protests. Requiring protesters to show campus id. Not allowing face masks during demonstrations. Providing greater oversight of student groups and an expansion of officers on campus. Now I just walked by there a couple of days ago. It's very depressing. It's just been crushed. It's just completely silent over there. And if you went over there. I did. I shot some on the ground coverage during the height of the protest. It seems like they've just really wrung the life out of it. And then to top it all off, just this January you got yourself a new president is from Columbia University apartheid divest. Columbia just announced Jennifer Manookin as its new president as chancellor of the university Wisconsin Madison. She called riot police to beat up and arrest students for their Gaza solidarity encampment. She'll fit in perfectly with the rest of the school's fascist administration. So hey, you're on the inside over there. What's it like? What's it like after all?

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Am I on the inside?

C

So just in closure you're able to get past the gates?

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I am able to get past the gates.

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They're not letting me in.

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No, no. And that's. It's. They should though.

C

Well, they won't.

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I. Let's rewind a little bit. When the student encampment started in April is April 17th.

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I got, I got a freeze. Are you guys seeing that?

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Oh, sorry about that. And I tried to put myself see what's happening right now. You can hear that?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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So

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now you're better.

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No, I'm saying you can hear that horn. Welcome to New York.

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Oh yeah.

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Well, and apologies to the audience about that. That could go on for another minute. Just.

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Oh good, you got lucky.

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I. I would say every three days their car goes off. I have no idea what's going on. They've now had that car for four years. So going back to April of 2024, what the students were looking to do was the encampment. A non violent protest which was legal according to student to the school's rules. They were camping on a part of the quad known as a free speech zone. It's literally dedicated to that. Right? Here's the thing that was done in the model of the South African divestment movement from the 1980s which worked. That started on campuses like Columbia, spread like wildfire all over the country after like dozens of schools divested from companies doing business and profiting from business in South Africa because of Their apartheid regime. All of a sudden you saw municipalities like Chicago and New York and San Francisco start to divest their pension funds. When that happened, the dominoes started to fall. Within a couple of years, South African apartheid regime dissolved itself because it could not exist. That example, what the students followed was what not only the trustees of the university, but what the pro Israel lobby and most politicians in both parties were terrified of. They needed to crush that movement. And you know, they physically crushed the movement. So absolutely the campus is different. You don't see protests like that. I've had students say to me, I thought we weren't allowed to talk about Gaza in class. I thought that wasn't allowed, you know, in my, you know, I, I don't teach geopolitics. I teach.

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Right.

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But you know, anybody can bring anything they, they want up in class if, if it's relevant to the discussion. And of course, like, you know, I'm teaching social work. So, you know, there's article upon article been written about the children of Gaza prior to the genocide being the most traumatized children in the world. So it's absolutely relevant to social work, but absolutely the atmosphere is different there. They want to make sure that, that nothing percolates up like this again. But here's the thing. That reaction was so over the top. They suspended students, they expelled students. Students were. If you live in, on campus housing or off campus housing too, what ends up happening is if you get expelled or suspended, you lose your housing. There were students that were made homeless. And that night I was in group chats with faculty trying to house students who were homeless. They didn't know. They went back to their, their dorm room and all their belongings were in the hallway. So this was happening left and right. You can do all that, but you can't, you can't kill an idea.

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Right.

D

So I think that response being so over the top. I just spoke with a, with a former student who, from the School of Social Work who was one of the initial people involved in the encampment. And. Darieliza Avila Chevalier was just, again, well, I'm sure we'll get into the electoral.

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We are. I have her up next.

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Yeah, okay.

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She was one of the students at that encampment.

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Right.

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Okay. So. And I, and I truly believe this, this is the thing that allows me to get up every morning and that is that their over the top response. They're, they're being terrified by these protests and they should have been because these protests were working. They, they went global within a week.

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Right, right.

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The encampment thing, just like Occupy did. Right. And they crush that, too. They, they can't kill it. And I, you know, it's, it's, it's kind of like two people playing chess and one side knows they're losing in like six moves.

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Right.

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But they keep playing anyway.

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Right.

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I think that's what's on the other side. I do believe divestment will happen. I was the student I just spoke to, we were just talking about it, and, and she said, it'll happen, but Columbia won't be the first. It'll be one of the, one of the later universities to do it. But it's going to happen because people are just repulsed by what's been going on. So, you know, did we lose this battle? I mean, kind of, but just doing the thing. Got the idea out there. They think they won.

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But how does it, how does the faculty feel? Like, how does, how did the faculty feel about the, the university deciding to cave to Trump? Because you got a couple of things going on here, I think, you know, in general, I would imagine among the majority of academics, Trump is absolutely despised. And I would think that academics in general are protective of their prerogatives.

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For those that don't.

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I'm sorry, I would imagine most academics are protective of their prerogatives. So between those two things, I would think for most of the faculty at Columbia, that was not a popular decision.

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Well, I don't know most of the faculty of Columbia. I can only know the ones that were in my circle. But I can tell you there are faculty that are okay with it because there are faculty that support what the United States and Israel are doing. Right. But the ones that I are, my colleagues, the people I have spoken with, I mean, we're disturbed at it, but like the, the federal government will hold these contracts over the head of the university.

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Right.

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And they'll say, we'll withdraw the contracts. And side note, anyone, the off audience doesn't know this, the federal government's not just giving money to the universities. They have, like, medical research contracts, like cancer research.

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Right, right.

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You pull stuff like that, that hurts everybody. But, I mean, Trump doesn't care. He just wants the optics of being tough on the protesters. So, you know the puppeteer, Marian Wright Adelon, what's her. No, Marian Adelon.

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Miriam. Miriam Mar.

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And Wright Adelman, who was actually. And she was in the Clinton administration. No, Miriam Adel said like. And all the other donors. Remember when Trump ran the first time, he didn't have a ton of Corporate donors. He used a lot of money. People were like, who's this new guy? Blah. You know, he had a lot of corporate people behind him this time. And it was the pro Israel, pro genocide, pro war, defense contractor lobby. Do you hear this?

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Anyway, I mean, I live here, so

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I'm not particularly put on what ends up happening. Yeah, but you are. Look at that room. You have to invite me over. That's very cool. I would like to hang out there, especially with the robot.

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Anytime. The robot. I have to, I have to get 2.4 GHz to control it. No, it actually, it actually interacts and speaks, but I, I don't have the right bandwidth.

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You know, there are real friends that will talk to you too, Russell.

C

So this came from China though. Real friends spy on me from China.

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I love it. There's something that I did not know, but I recently found out being on the inside. Okay, here's. Pretty soon into the. Yeah, I can see when it happens. So I'll, I'll pause. Pretty soon into the negotiations with the university which were being mediated by Mahmoud Khalil, for those that don't know. That's why the administration hated him. And who is like one of the nicest, most reasonable, non hateful people you could know, right? Like this guy is not like vitriolic or anything. And during those negotiations, the Palestinian students, a decision was made that they should. Those that were Palestinian or a family in Palestine should be centered at the front of those negotiations. And I thought that was correct. And the. I found out that the administration offered full ride scholarships to them. I don't have independent verification. I have somebody who was in the encampment tell me this. They were offered full ride scholarships at Columbia to stop. They were offered free tuition and the ability to attend Columbia's campus, which they were setting up in Tel Aviv at the Tel Aviv Global Center. First of all, not understanding the trustees, the administration that offered this, those students wouldn't have been allowed there.

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Right?

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They're not allowed there. So this school did not understand this issue at all, nor did it want to, I guess, scholarships for students. Then they were going to offer full rides for scholarships for students from the west bank and Gaza. So I mean, and the students rejected this because their, their point was you are investing in companies which are bombing our families and then you want to bring those people here to attend Columbia. This does not make sense. And they refused it. And there are people on the board of trustees at Columbia who are executives at defense corporations who are making a ton of Cash right off the genocide.

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Right.

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The war now in Iran and Lebanon. So, I mean, this was really. It was pretty disgusting.

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All right, so you mentioned Darieliza. So this is an article from 2024, right after they raided Hind hall, as you're calling it.

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Yeah.

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Why are police in riot gear? So, funny enough, she was interviewed for this article at that time. Dariel is a Villa Xavier. An Afro Latina alumni of Columbia University's Class of 2016 and former member of Students for Justice in Palestine managed to stay on campus during the lockdown. She was among the women blocking the entrance to Hind Hall. They sang We Shall Not Be Moved amid the clanging of metal as police through furniture. She tells time police pushed her and others to the floor. I felt totally helpless at that point. It was quite horrific. She says there was nothing calm or organized about the situation. Avila Chavier says she has bruises on her legs and arms. Once arrested, students arrived on the bus. Once arrested, students arrived on the bus. They sang all the way to the police station to calm themselves down. She says, all right, so now you've got the remarkable situation that she is almost certain to be the congresswoman representing Columbia University. Do you think that's going to make any difference? And do you, do you feel that this represents a meaningful change in the Democratic Party? Because a lot of people are very suspicious of that and see it as the graveyard for these kinds of movements. Right. Once she's in, they appropriate her, they threaten her with pictures of her family. Whatever they do, once they get you there, you know, who knows? Who knows what Pelosi whispered to AOC on that iron dome?

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Oh, yeah.

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She was never the same after that. Who knows? So what do you, what do you think? What, what do you think about all that?

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I think those are two different. I mean, two different questions as far as what it means about the Democratic Party. But first, with Darieliza winning, I. I can't help but have Schadenfreude about that. Like, I am happy that a student who was physically abused by the nypd, which was unnecessarily invited on campus by an administration that did not want to negotiate in good faith with these students who were non violent. Right? And protests have happened at schools like Columbia forever. This is nothing new that a student, and if I remember correctly, her role, she was one of the students standing outside of Hinn's hall, kind of as a human blockade to prevent the cops from going up. And by the way, I'm not saying, you know, what she engaged in, but this is One of the things that I heard, there are a number of those students that literally one of the students was thrown down concrete steps. So the NYPD didn't come in to play. They were, they were violent. I'm sure the orders from above were like, do what you need to do, bust some heads, make this happen. The fact that she is now in Congress representing that district is a sweet thing. And is it possible that we can enjoy that moment just for a little bit? Because. And I think what this does is it illustrates that whole idea that I said earlier, which is they cannot kill this idea. And I am sure there are people on the board of trustees or wherever in the administration of Columbia that are extremely unpleased about that outcome. I don't know. I'm not speaking for anyone. What does it mean in the broader sense? Okay, so let's get the, you know, the elephant out of the room. People are afraid she's going to be another aoc. Right. And here's the deal. AOC wasn't an activist before aoc, in my opinion, cosplayed a leftist. Right. She didn't. She wasn't putting her body on the line getting arrested doing stuff like this and then decided to go into government. That is not her story arc at all. This was somebody who did not have any idea about going on, on to become a representative, but was radicalized by what happened to her and her fellow students during the genocide and decided I need, I need to speak up, I need to do something different things. So listen, I've been wrong before. I don't believe though that somebody of that caliber is going to be co opted. I just heard Claire Valdez in an interview. I forget who with. She was one of the other congressmen that's.

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Yeah, yeah, in Brooklyn.

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Right. And she was unequivocal in the past couple of days, like, no, no, no, no, we're not reforming ice. We have to abolish ice. There needs to be a full arms embargo on Israel. And then when asked about it was Darieliza and Claire, I believe, who said this. Would they vote for Jeffries? They said, well, we have to have a conversation with him, but we're not voting for anybody that takes corporate money, which like this is not what AOC did. I know why people feel burned by her because she's a fraud.

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Aoc, right.

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Th these folks here. Claire Valdez was arrested at least twice. Once outside protesting Israel's genocide of Palestine, once out. Yeah, the folks that took over Hamilton hall and renamed it Hin Hall. I think this is a different ilk of people. What does it mean for the Democrat Party?

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All right, hang on, hang on. Let me share something that you just shared out before we move into that. So you retweeted this. This is originally from Jacobin. Mayor Zoran Mamdani just announced a $2.1 million settlement against Walgreens and three other companies for violating worker protection laws. The four companies will pay restitution to more than 1600 workers. This brings the total restitution paid to NYC workers under Mamdani's watch to 10.1 million. Now there has been, I gotta say, on the left, broadly termed, a lot of consternation and debate about this, particularly on the, again, broadly termed radical left or post Democratic Party left. There's been really a lot of confusion about how to react to Mandani. You have this right after a rent freeze, right after the Peter Terror tax got passed. And yet a lot of people will point out he kept on. Jessica Tisch. His rhetoric around Venezuela and Cuba has been very, very mealy mouth to say the least. His budget is kind of a magic trick. He kind of balanced the budget by deferring pension payments. A lot of people feel his housing plan incorporates private developers to such an extent that you're not going to really be able to get away from this vicious circle of rising rent. So all that said, what have you thought about his tenure? And going back to the original question, do you, do you think it's worth supporting certain Democratic candidates in certain places or are you, or is it the George Carlin thing? Don't vote for them. You're only going to encourage them.

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We miss George. I think Zora and mom Dani will be a good mayor for New York City. And, and I'm qualifying that and narrowing that as what I'm saying. I think he'll be potentially a very good mayor. What I've seen in the first six months has been better than I expected because I didn't expect these things to happen so quickly, including the rent freeze. I thought that would be like maybe the end of year one. This is all good. I have friends that live in rain stabilized apartments who can now stay here. What it isn't, I mean, their rents are still too high, right. So it's already tough for them to be here. But to know like, oh, maybe we can hang out another two years. They've got kids, so I think he's going to do great things. They're going to do the city owned grocery store in Hunts point, the Bronx, 27 all of these things are good. And he will be a good mayor for New York. If he was running for Congress or the Senate. Right, the House or the Senate. And he was saying things like he said about Venezuela or Cuba, I would be talking about it, you know, pretty regularly because I disagree with it. And, you know, I actually think he's in a position where, first of all, I don't believe. I don't believe he believes what he said. I think he felt he had to say those things, and I'm not making an excuse. And my response, if anybody on his team is listening, he's got leverage now. He does not have to do that.

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Right.

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And I think what the people on the left want, regardless of the party, is a champion who's just going to be like, screw it. I'm saying anything I want. Which is why I like what I'm hearing from Darieliza Chevalier and from Cliff Claire Valdez, which is unapologetic. Right. And that's what people need, ultimately. Does that mean the Democratic Party is saved? No, I think it's doomed. But being a New Yorker, obviously I'm happy that we have someone who is centering the working class in their policy. And these are real policies that are going to make just the fact that they just passed this thing, lower fares on buses and subways for people of lower income, that fantastic. However, it should all be free. And by the way, yeah, we can afford it ultimately. You know, Marx talked about this. He said on the journey to full communism, there will be what he called lower socialism, depending on the translation. And that was that you would still be in a market economy with a whole bunch of remnants of capitalism, but it would be more worker centered. And that. That was one of the steps. So I would encourage people to think of the longer game here. This doesn't solve the problems.

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You froze. Andrew's gonna have quite an editing job. Okay, start again. This doesn't solve the problems. Go ahead.

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It doesn't solve the problems of the Democratic Party. However, I believe the election of these folks is a good thing. And one of the things that I think is important is that not everybody's where say you and I are. We're probably not in the same place, but we're pretty similar. Okay. I was active in the Democratic Party for a while. It took me a while in my life to get where I am. Not everybody is where I am or you are. And one of the things that's going to bring them there is the stuff that happened to us believing in it. And then Being disappointed.

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Right.

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And I believe just creating that discrepancy where people are like, hey, I thought we were gonna have an arms embargo. What's going on and seeing it fail will radicalize more people. It's gonna take time. So I think there's a lot of value to these candidacies. And I'm also interested to see what Darieliza and Claire Valdez do when they get to Congress, because I just don't see them as an AOC at all. That's just my take.

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Okay, So I. One of the reasons I wanted to have you and then Nick on is you both have really interesting perspectives on the political moment. So, okay, so the Democratic Party is not a solution. I think you believe, as I do and tell me if I'm wrong, that if you got a guy who brands himself a socialist doing things like rent freeze and people like it, that's a good thing. If you want something more radical, you want a guy like that to ease people into having a conversation about going further. But I think a lot of people feel rightly, by the time you have enough reform with that kind of incremental approach, we're going to have collapsed into fascism before you ever get there. Like what. What do you recommend for people to do to move the ball forward at a moment like this? I mean, I. I don't have the answers. I don't think anyone does. But what do you think? What are your thoughts?

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I think anything, any revolutionary look at what needs to happen to transform this society in the United States and then globally has to be a multi pronged approach. Right? So these are. This involves things like street protest, boycotts, strikes, nonviolent civil disobedience. But that's also direct action, right? Not just performative and electoralism. And I think. I do not believe electoralism will save us, but I don't want to miss the opportunity to look at its usefulness. One of the things that matters is right now, 77 of Democrats have an unfavorable view view of Israel. And there are candidates running who are leading in polls or tied in polls who are saying, we need an arms embargo. I don't take APAC funds. You did not see that even two or three years ago. And there is value to it. I believe also that whole creating discrepancy thing is that when people start to see that government can deliver, it could get them to the point of becoming involved and then eventually radicalized when they say, next time the Democrats come up and say, I'm sorry, we can't extend the child tax credit. There's going to be a whole bunch of people who weren't paying attention before who were going to say, yes, you can.

C

Right.

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No, we don't have to give tens of billions dollars to Israel, Ukraine, NATO, whatever. So I think there's value to it. The danger is, and I, and I've heard Nick talk about this, I'm not speaking for him, but yeah, the whole idea when he was on savvy shows last night about the pressure valve. The danger is to allow electoralism to lead.

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Right.

D

It's not the solve. It can't be the solve. But I believe it's part of a broader program. And you see my thing here, Generals. This is from Occupy.

C

Right. Wow.

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Around my house. So that was Mayday after Occupy from the fall of 2011 when it started. And you know, I hear people talking about general strikes. That would be great. But the bottom line is those things start organically and then they catch on. And I believe if you pull the lens back, we're in a good place because more people are paying attention and more people are radicalized than ever before. So we need to utilize the moment. And education, I believe, is a really big thing through mutual aid and that stuff. Revolutionary Blackout Network does all mutual aid and I think that's a vital part of it. You can't not do it.

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All right, so I'm going to end on maybe a downer. Maybe a downer. Here, here's the, here's the Democratic Party counterpoint. And this is from your own feed. You shared this out. So, so the Dems have revealed their big idea Now, Project 2029. We haven't seen all of it. They've just released the first couple points here. It's from Nicholas Wu. First major policy proposal, an online child safety plan narrowing section 230, banning social media for kids under 16, promoting phone free childhoods and more. Already backed by Cory Booker, Mickey Sherrill, Randy Weingarten and Jonathan Haidt. Let's, let's look a little bit at. They released a second point. There's a little bit from Newsweek on this. The full agenda will be released next year. But it's first, policy ideas, kids over clicks. Citing growing feelings of loneliness and alienation among young people and the addictive pattern of social use by the time they finish middle school. The group suggested the introduction of new restrictions on social media for children under 16. And Bell to Bell, cell phone bans in school. Most notably, the group goes after tech companies calling for lawmakers to narrow protections under section 230 of the Communications Decency act that she steeled platforms from some liability. It wants to make clear the companies are not protected from lawsuits stemming from AI generated content, paid ads, illegal content, or activity. In other words, loophole you could drive a censorship truck through. New rules should be created to regulate the use of AI chatbots in general, the group argues, clarifying and reinforcing users privacy protections. On Monday, the group released a second policy concerning a proposed crackdown on the annoyance economy or the elimination of what Americans pay in time, fees and irritation every day while engaging with health insurance companies, airlines, and other businesses. Okay, so you responded to this overall proposal. Medicare for all. No. A living wage of at least $25. A federal housing guarantee. Abolishing ICE? Nope. It's digital ID for the Internet. Hooray. Cue the supportive neerattand tweet in 3, 2, 1. Now. This kind of small bore school uniforms politics for the Democrats. It was really pioneered by Bill Clinton. Clinton, who was lauded as a. As a political genius for inventing what was thought of as this post Cold War, post partisan politics that would focus on these kinds of, you know, small managerial, technocratic management kind of issues. And it's all the Democrats continue to offer even after these primary victories. Should be terrifying them. But these are the people who still run the party. So what do you do? Like, it seems like there are so many Cory Bookers in that party, by the time you overrun them with Dariel Liz's, we're going to be dead. I mean, how do you. What do you think?

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Well, the first thing is Bill Clinton did all that stuff. Let's give him credit. In between flights on the Lolita Express.

C

Right.

D

Easy to do and trips to the island.

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It's.

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It's a big schedule. Here's the thing.

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Multitasking.

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I'm glad they're doing this because I don't remember her name. Who's that Normie Dem woman? She's got blonde hair and she's got a podcast.

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She's kind of like Jennifer Welch.

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Yeah. Center Normie Dem, everyone.

C

Everyone's favorite radicalized soccer mom.

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What? Exactly. And that represents something to me. They are gonna look at this and they're gonna laugh. This is perfect. And of course, Cory Booker's an idiot. Like, he's just an idiot. And. And his ilk. This is what they're coming up with now. This is what I mean. Like, I do believe that there will be a transformation in this country. I don't think the Democrats are going to lead it. And no, we don't have time to pepper Congress with Darieliza after Dariel Lisa and all that. Apologies. Dariel Lisa. We keep using your name as an example, but it's a good name. But here's the thing. I think it creates that discrepancy. I think people are hungry for something. And those of us who are not jaded, right, who though that Jennifer Welch, they're like, wait a second. What are you doing? And that's good, because here's the reality. We know the Republicans have no answers for the economy, for foreign policy that are tolerable. They're having problems on their own side. Theo Vaughn and those folks, they lost Tucker Carlson. Like, this is a big deal. And on our side, did they?

C

Or is he just going to back JD Events?

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I don't know. I know. I know, know. I know. J.D. vance is Peter Teal boy. Peter Teal. Don't even to look at that. Look at a photo of that man and think, does she. Should he have power over anybody? He's a freak. But the bottom line is. But it's their audiences, Candace's audience, Tucker's audience. And a lot. A lot of people watch Jimmy from different, you know, political audiences, which is important. I think that you can't put the horse back in the barn after the something or other. Like, you can't close the barn door after the horse is out. I think the real piece here, the Epstein files, should not be underestimated. People are. Are like, holy crap. And then just because there hasn't been any fallout politically from it yet, we know who they are. And this is what they're giving us. No cell phones under 16. First of all, there's gonna be a rebellion. That ain't gonna happen if you're a parent of a kid. It's not gonna work. Right. You're not gonna talk about ice. They killed two people in the street.

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Right?

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Right.

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And so what I'm hoping is enough converted soccer moms are gonna be pissed off where we don't sound like the crazies of the radical we did a few years ago. We don't now. Everything takes time. And I'm not an incrementalist. That's not my argument. I'm saying people are waking up. And that's good. Yeah, the Democratic Party is fucked. Because I was pretty shocked that they didn't lie and say they would do something like extend the child tax credit, which I. This is bizarre. It's all they have. It shows that they're out of ideas. They're Literally spiral, circling the drain right now. They don't know what to do. And I think the Israel thing has put them in that place where, like, what do we do? Like, that's who we are. We are all that. Everything that's happened in Gaza and West bank and Lebanon, they're all for it, but they're. The voters aren't.

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Well, that's the problem that they always have. Facing off with Republicans. In the end, what their base wants, they can't do without losing. Their donors

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is awake. So hopefully that means something, but. All right.

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All right, Professor Zancus, thank you very much. I will. I will invite you over, man. We'll hang out.

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Absolutely.

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We'll play with. Hang on, I got it. Since. Since you mentioned it.

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Yes. What's the robot's name? Does it have her name?

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Not yet, but he's gonna co host once I figure out how to make them work.

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Oh, I love it. Yeah. Because you know what? Not for nothing, Keaton. Seriously. And that it's cheaper. It's cheaper than an actual.

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Hello, I'm robot.

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I love you.

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I mean, perfect co host.

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I love it. Sorry, Keaton.

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All right. So where do people find you? One of the best accounts around, I must say. I pick up a lot of news stories from you.

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Oh, you were saying something about one of the best accounts.

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Yeah. You have one of the best accounts. I pick up a lot. I pick up a lot of news stories from your account.

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Thank you. I'm glad to hear it. And I feed them to some people you wouldn't expect to pay attention to my accounts, too. And I'm happy to be able to do that. Yeah. I'm at Anthony Zancus on Twitter. Don't believe everything I say. And I've got a thick skin, so you can call me names. It's okay. I'm all right with it.

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Okay, thanks a lot, Professor Zenas. Good seeing you again.

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You, too.

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All right, that was Professor Anthony Zenkus. Let's go to a card. We'll reset and we'll be back with Nick Cruz. All right, this is Russell Dobular filling in for Jimmy Dore, who is out on the road enjoying life. Nick Cruz will be up next. He's a citizen journalist, geopolitical analyst, co founder of the Revolutionary Blackout Network, a socialist media outlet centered on black working class perspectives. He advocates for anti imperialism, universal health care and revolutionary solidarity, offering a pointed critique of mainstream politics and corporate media, while promoting grassroots activism as a tool for achieving systemic changes changed. Welcome Nick Cruz to the show. Yo, man, I'VE been a long time.

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Yeah, man. It's good to be talking to you again. What's popping, my friends? Good to be back on JD Good to see my friend Russell. You guys are killing the game. It's great to talk to you guys now.

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You're killing the game, man. I see you all over my Facebook feed. You're coming up all the time with your shorts.

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Yeah.

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A lot on the short form content. Make sure you guys follow us.

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You're good enough for him. Yeah, yeah.

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Follow you where on Hotspot? We on Instagram. Facebook. X X is where my biggest platform is at. But Nico House, I love Nico House, man. He's a. He's a brilliant mind. He's been doing this for a long time. He's running the game at Hotspot. We have amazing journalists like David the Dan. Big shout out to my friend, proud socialist Ryan, who's also joined us as well. So it takes a lot of work, but I enjoy the work we do at Hotspot because I get to really dive into geopolitics and I feel like actually helped me improve as a commentator and as a political analysis, doing all the research and all the work it takes. So make sure you guys follow us at Hotspot once again. It's great to be in conversation with you again, man.

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Yeah, man, I. I've wanted to talk to you since I got back from Asia, probably more than anyone in the space. Yeah. All right, so speaking of Asia, let's. Before we get into that, we'll get a couple of. A little bit of the day's news into the can. You'll like this one. You probably saw this already. So Donald Trump today on his. On his trip here, opined about communism. The woman who asked the question, by the way, I had Malcolm here, producer here. I said, find out who that woman is, man, because I knew something was up with her. Like, that's beyond like normal CNN anti China propaganda. Yeah, her name, I think is Irene Tao. She works for a news organization that they, they claim to have editorial independence, but it's part of Falun Gong. So that's why you get the question framed like this. All right, so let's see.

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You've been issuing a wake up call

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to Americans at home, home about the dangers of communism. And now you're speaking on the world stage. What's your message to people both living under communist and socialist regimes, but also

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people living under democracies like in Europe

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and America who might not have realized

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how close communism has come to home?

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Yeah, that's a great question, actually. But I want to get the word

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out, because what's forming is communism in the country. Communism's easy to sell. I would be the greatest communist in history.

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I'd be right up there with Lenin. I'd be as good as anybody.

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You've got free rent for the rest of your life. What they don't say is that you'll be living in squalor in 12 months.

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You've got a free house. Would anybody like to have a free house?

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We'll take it away from somebody, we'll

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give it to you.

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You'll have murders all over the place.

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Communism is a disaster.

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It's been proven to be for thousands of years on. Under different names, but same thing. It's very important. Thousands of years.

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One of the reasons I do so

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well with Hispanic people. I set a record.

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Republicans, I get great numbers for the election. Help me get elected in a landslide,

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the Hispanics, because a lot of them came from countries that were essentially communist.

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You know, whether you call them radical

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socialist or communist is all right. So you get the idea. All right, so. So this, this is. This is the main reason I went to Asia. I wanted to go to communist countries. I wanted to see, because we talk about that a lot. People are very curious about it. I felt like, well, I'm lucky enough. I don't have a family. I don't have the kind of responsibilities Keaton has. I can do it. I felt like one of us, if we can, should do it.

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So.

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One of the hardest things about adjusting when I came back, I wasn't used to potholes. I wasn't used to the condition of things. Yeah, I went to China and I've. I've traveled around the United States a fair amount, man. I, I'm. I'm honest. I. I would. I would tell people I did not see anything like the, the crumbling roads, the crumbling bridges anywhere.

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And I was.

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I was from one end of that country to the other. I. I was in. I was in Urumchi, man. I was in Uyghur country over there. Like, if any place would be underfunded, it would be all the way over there. Nah, man, everything was pristine. I promise you. I promise you. Most of the people in Cleveland would be very happy to live in Urumqi compared to what they're living in. These are the things that America is actually number one in. Health care. It is last among wealthy nations. Happiness, 24th. Education, 26th. Life expectancy, 46th. Free press, 57th. Climate, 57th. Social mobility. 27th, income equality, last. In the Western world, what it's number one at is imprisoning people. Gun deaths, school shootings, drug deaths, medical bankruptcy, wealth inequality among wealthy nations, maternal mortality among wealthy nations, child poverty among wealthy nations. Believing it's number one. But you could see what's happening now. They got. So they saw these DSA victories, which we'll get into, and they said, okay, this is what we're going to bear down into. We're going to play the Cold War classics. The fear of communism. Do you think they'll be able to sell that? Because as you've said many times. We've said many times. Americans are the most propagandized people on earth. You might look at it and say, that can't work. What I will say is people know when they're broke, and this is why these arguments are not working like they used to. So what do you think? Can they get traction with this?

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They. They already lost the battle of ideas, especially when you look at the polling of the new generation, how they see through the lies about socialism. I was nervous at first when Donald Trump was making threats about communists, and then I realized that he's actually talking about Cory Booker. Like, he actually talk about Democrats. Like, when you talk about communists, he's talking about Hakeem Jeffries.

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Right.

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That's how serious they actually are. But I'm. I'm glad that we. We still make them nervous. They. They still fear the specter of the. The fight and the revenge of the working class. And he has a lot of reason to be nervous because speaking of China, you know what China does to their corrupt billionaires?

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Oh, yeah, yeah.

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They killed them.

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They just sentenced one to death. What did he steal? 325 million. That guy.

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Yeah. So isn't it cute how in our country, we have legalized bribery? We just call it lobbying, like we have. We call the corruption our system. We give it official names and titles. Oh, he's a lobbyist. Like, what are you talking about? So these. These Epstein demons in the ruling class, they have every reason to fear us. We're not shy about. We wanted. What we want to do. We want maximum authoritarianism against the Epstein class. Anyone who is responsible for the massive death of the working class in the United States, anyone responsible for war crimes overseas, we want to hold them accountable the same way that China hold their ruling class accountable. Trump is scared because we need a Mao speaking of China, right? We need a Mao, one of the greatest men of all time. And that's. And he's the foundation in which China was built upon. It's. It's weird. When was that a little based.

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Oh, man, that's from China.

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So they just want to loot and they just want to plunge the working class back into the age before the Soviet Union. Because the capitalist retaliation to the Soviet Union was to create a middle class in the United States to compete against them. But the fall of the Soviet Union was one of the worst things that happened to the global working class, especially the American working class, because you notice that they're scaling back the gains that the working class achieved. Give the illusion that we have a strong working class now. They just create, like a peasant class. They created the working poor. But go ahead, Russ.

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No, no, no. Just to clarify for anyone, I know what you're saying. Basically, that they felt like they had to give workers enough to keep them from turning towards the Soviet model, from making it sympathetic, and that once the Soviet Union fell, life has, not coincidentally, been degrading for workers ever since. That's the argument you're making, right?

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Yeah. And that's why they panic when they see a rise in alternative economic models like we see in China. We. That's what I am advocating for. We need to have a serious movement so we can start actually building and having the kind of success that they're seeing in China that the capital class will never allow. And as I mentioned before, MA was the foundation of that. Like the literacy rate before Ma in China was around 15 to 20% in only a few years, he greatly increased the literacy rate up to 75%, greatly reduced poverty. Great. Granted health care and housing to its people and freed the slave. They had all these, like, Chinese concubines, like these slaves that was used by the warlords. Like they have. They had no civil rights in the era of British rule, The. The era of the warlords. What Mao did is Leckner and Mal Spector still haunts the west because he united China in this era of corrupt warlords. Often these warlords was propped up by imperial powers. You have these barbaric, torturous warlords who was backed by French imperial power, British imperial power. Mao defeated all of them and kicked the imperial powers out of its country. And in response to that, the west waged complete economic war and blockade against China. Despite all of that, Mao greatly increased the life expectancy, built modern infrastructure, and create a blueprint for what we see in China today. And before Mao in China, you guys know they had around 1,800 famines since the year 100 A.D. you guys know that China averaged one famine every year before Ma and under British rule. Then Ma and the Communists came in and they end the historical pattern of famines in China. A lot of people like to discuss the, the, the famine in the early Ma's rule, which he greatly recovered from despite many environmental disasters. The west trying to jeopardize him. The fact that they lost millions of people due to the imperial Japan. There are a lot of factors that led to that. He rebounded amazingly and ended the forever pattern. And that is the foundation of what China was built through this revolutionary action. And that is what Donald Trump fears. But go ahead, Russell.

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Well, this is what people here don't understand. They're brainwashed into thinking that in China there's this restive population that hates their government. And I don't know, man, I, I trust my instincts. I got good eyes. I, I looked around, I asked a lot of questions in a roundabout way to people wouldn't feel like they're being confronted or cornered or anything. Yeah, that, that's not, that's not the case. In both Vietnam and in China, Ho Chi Minh and Mao Zedong are national heroes. This is what I will say in China, the legacy of Ma is more complicated. Hoi Men, even you got people in the south of Vietnam who are still mad that the north won, but they universally see Hoi Min as the patriot who got the Western powers out of the country. Even if they fought on the other side, they admire Hoi Men as a patriot. With Ma, people will say things like, yeah, this temple was closed during the Cultural Revolution under Ma, but now it's open again. So it's more complicated with him. Like, yes, they do overall admire him and have a lot of admiration for him, but it's not as untarnished a legacy, I think, for the Chinese people with Matt now. But do you want to respond to that before I go on?

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Well, the Xi Jinping in China, in the government, they still have a ton of symbolisms of Mao.

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Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And I'm not trying to pick apart what you're saying, but there are a lot of false ideas in the Chinese diaspora that Mao is a despised figure. But when you look around the world, like people in the globe, oh, he's

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not a despised figure. I'm not saying that.

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I hear you.

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I'm saying the Chinese people are like, yeah, the Cultural Revolution was up. I'm just telling you. Yeah.

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And the thing about, the thing about Mao and his government and, and like,

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the people who lived through it do not Remember that fondly, from what I. I gathered off people.

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Yeah. And they was clear about the mistakes that was made. Like, these are the things.

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Right. That seems to be the general attitude that, like, yeah. Then Deng Xiaoping came in and we kind of turned a page and corrected some errors. But MA set us on the path that that was what I would say, the overall attitude towards ma. So it's pretty funny. Trump says the communism doesn't work every. Anywhere, but he seems to be becoming a communist. So here he is bragging about the government muscling in on taking over 10% of intel got as a gift.

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Another gift.

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I said to intel, give the United States.

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They needed something.

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They needed some help. The chip maker. I said, give the United States of America. I'll do it for you, but give the United States of America 10% of your company. He said, you have a deal. He said, it's so fast. I said I should have asked for more. He said, you have a deal.

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And that steak is now worth $80 billion.

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Okay. All right. So I. What do you. Can you imagine if Joe Biden went out there and talked about how he forced a company to let the government buy 10% of the company and then this just dropped today. I think Freedom Fuel has arrived. This is from the White House's account. The first Freedom Fuel Network gas station has landed in Philadelphia, lowering the price at the pump to 347 for our 47th president. President Trump is leading the charge to lower gas prices this summer. Putting more money in your pocket. This guy is like Mandani, man. They're going crazy about the grocery store. They're creating government gas stations that. There's a whole video with this.

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I had to go back in and get my change. I thought gas was more expensive, but it's not. So thanks, Trump, for saving me some money. We're here at the first Freedom Fuel

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Network gas station right here in Philadelphia, leading the charge to lower gas prices. $3.47. That's for our 47th president, President Donald J. Trump.

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The price of gas.

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He is 50 cents lower than the

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Pennsylvania average gas price.

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Fourth of July gas prices are coming down, which is great. I am very happy about the cheap gas prices. Happy 4th of July. Hopefully everyone has a great holiday. Super pumped the gas prices are lowered.

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I'm just grateful right now we're in

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a difficult time in this world, but it's nice to see some stability that we can enjoy. Definitely appreciate the lower gas price.

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Oh, yeah, that's for sure.

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Saw it.

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I thought it was Fake news, but

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I'm glad it's true.

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I definitely couldn't believe my eyes when I just rolled past.

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I'm actually taking a trip down the shore, so I wasn't even gonna come

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and get the gag, but I'm glad I did because now it just saved me a lot of money.

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Thanks a lot, Trump.

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Just keep doing what you're doing.

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Doing a good job.

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Thank you, President Trump.

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Thank you for helping our country.

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It's President Donald J. Trump leading the charge to lower gas prices right here at Freedom Fuel Network's gas stations. I, I, I, I'm sorry, maybe I'm a little messed up. Isn't that communism? Isn't that communism? The government run gas stations and the government having ownership in private corporations? From, from, I'm not going to swear this is an exact number, but the last statistic I saw, China still owns. This is a misconception that it's all just prov. Private corporations. China owns, I think, 55% of the private, you know, private corporations in China. They have 55 ownership. So that is, Is Trump basically conceding that he can't compete with communism without becoming a communist?

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Yeah, they're realizing they have a failed central planning model. But it's very important to never listen to the BS that capitalist fit. They always, they actually really good at propaganda and convincing people that they believe in a free market. Like if, if they believe in a free market, ask them why they ban Chinese EVs.

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Right?

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That doesn't, that's not a free market principle. They never believe in free market principles from day one. What, what do you guys think corporate bailouts are? They Ch. They choose winners and losers. The, the problem with the capitalist model is that they will often merge corporations. They will get rid of, they will get rid of the middleman. Like we've seen in Germany with Friedrich Merz. They used to have, like Catholic capitalist puppets, but now they got freedom directly from BlackRock, so they just got rid of that part as a whole. So we've seen a complete merging of the private industry with the public interest in order to wage class war on the working class and advance the interest of the capitalist imperialist regime that is inherently what capitalism will always morph into. So do you want, do you want a system that only cares about the profits of the ruling class, even if it means having destabilized infrastructure, a working class that is not invested in, or do you want a central planning model that focuses on the working class and the dictatorship of the proletariat? Why do you Guys think we have a massively bloated and wasteful military industrial complex where now they are spending over a trillion dollars per year, and then they get their ass whooped by Iran. They lose to pirate women. And I've been discussing on my channel that these are evidence that you guys are being grifted. They. They give these giant contracts to their friends, their families. So instead of investing in our communities, they essentially turned the United States to a glorified arms dealer who enrich the ruling class, who invest in ads in the corporate media, who then enrich propagandists, who then donate to politicians. It is not a coherent system. And that's why we see the ruling class have to compromise their values consistently in order to compete with countries who actually do have a coherent model and actually have a competent government. So please remember, these people are always.

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And they.

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They don't even believe what they would. They claim they practice.

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Well, isn't this. I mean, Germany did this, too. Like, isn't this pretty typical of fascism? It's part of really the definition of fascism, where you're going to have a merger of the state and corporations on behalf of a ruling class rather than on behalf of the people. Like this is. They're adopting some of these tactics, but for completely different purposes. It's for purposes of a corrupt oligarchic class to have complete control over the society. And at the same time, they're building out. I'm doing this after the break, the Flock cameras. And we just saw that terrifying video of the robot dogs that they're mounting guns to which you could have seen coming a mile away.

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Yeah, yeah.

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So now this just broke this week. Nobody can afford a house in America. And that was starting to happen in China, too.

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Yeah.

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So Xi gave a speech back in 2017, housing should be for living in, not for speculation. And they literally made it government policy to bring down the price of housing to collapse the bubble and to do it in a gradual way so it wouldn't take the economy with it the way it did in the United States. So there's unusual whales. China's residential property prices have effectively dropped back to roughly 2006 levels in real terms, wiping out an estimated 18 to 20 trillion dollars in US dollars in perceived household wealth since the 2021 peak. So you can see right here, she gives that speech, houses for living in, not for speculation. That's the peak of the bubble. And the housing prices dropped ever since after that until you completely deflated the bubble, brought it back to 2006. So here's Maitreya Bacal. China's national bourgeoisie always knew this day would come. They knew what they were getting into. They knew who they ultimately served. They may have received that one golden star on China's national flag, but they never forgot what the large one represents. The sorest losers of China's real estate crash is the Western bourgeoisie, including firms like Blackstone. Indeed, they were some of its main targets. They spent decades investing in China's housing boom, salivating over the prospect that China's housing market would financialize, that China would ultimately do to itself what they had already done to the US Treat houses like a tradable commodity and benefit from the endless cycle of buying and selling to turn people's homes into casino chips to be endlessly bought, sold, inflated, leveraged and over leveraged until the end of time. Instead, they discovered the hard way who actually governs China? In all countries, the property market is an important facet of class. And almost everywhere the wrong class wins. In China, the right one won. The state controls finance capital, not the other way around. The Western mind cannot comprehend this. This also explains why Western media and economists have been decrying China's crash so viciously. They are simply expressing the frustrations and hysteria of the class they serve. The class whose dreams now lie in ruins. That's the real crash. Yeah. Yeah. And what are we doing here? This is from Sagar and Jetty. In Florida, counties are preparing for the elimination of property tax. So you're going to make the homeowners richer. Hillsborough county is going to make up the revenue by charging you money when you take your kid to the park and increasing fuel taxes while boomers occupying all the housing stock will laugh. So how, how does this end up? How does this end up? China's got the second half highest ownership in the world after, believe it or not, Kazakhstan. Kazakhstan Number three is Lao, which I just visited. That surprised me too. Then Romania, Russia is. I think that's about number seven. Where are we? Between 43 and 52. Right. I thought that's the American dream, owning a home. It's the American dream. Why do all these people own homes? We don't know. We don't know. No. Look, Vietnam's on that list. Another communist country, Laos. A communist country too. Most people don't know that. I'm not ashamed to admit it. I didn't know that either. I didn't know until I went there. Yeah, all. Yeah, that's the price of freedom. Exactly. You're going to pay to use the public park. They have a homeowner tax deduction. They don't have a renter tax deduction. Right. China said, hey, we're not going to have this. Young people are not going to be able to afford their homes. We're not going to let our society go in that direction. So in this country, do you think it's even possible to get around all the wealthy homeowners? That's why you have a homeowner's tax deduction, because they're able to leverage their political power in donations to get favorable treatment. How could you even break through to get that here? Especially when you know, Nick, you got all these brainwashed working people who are going to scream when they say, you know how much wealth that's going to take away from homeowners. That's going to hurt the workers. They're going to be like, yeah, you're

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going to hurt the workers.

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You got to hurt the workers. How you even going to do that in this country? How could you even get around that?

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China is opening many people's eyes because the, the average rent in China is around 275 bucks. 91 of millennials own their own home in China. Yeah, but you had the freedom not to own anything in the United States. Isn't that great?

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Right?

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Don't you love that?

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You will own nothing and be angry. That's how Keaton puts it. Yeah.

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So yeah, there was previous generations who was brainwashed by the landlord class. But I truly believe that this kind of stuff is changing. Because what I bring up to people is what, what does freedom really mean? The freedom to be a serf like China, they have freedom, true freedom of movement. Are you really free? Because there was a survey I ran a lot a long time ago where like the average working class person couldn't afford to live in like 80 of the city cities of the United States. Not crazy like that. But are you really free if you don't have the right to and the freedom to afford to live in the, the vast majority of cities in your country. Like even among the very expensive cities, the average rent is only like 400, 500 bucks in China. And one of the reasons why you see this, and one, the reason why you see this amazing accomplishment, housing, where they was able to deflate the mount the housing market without seeing any drastic decrease in quarterly economic growth. This is what everyone's freaking out about, like how the hell do you possibly accomplish this? This is economic accomplishment for the history books. But this is what happens when you have a culture in a country that is on the path of true socialism, where class antagonisms are worked out through the government, through governmental agencies and mechanisms. In the United States, class antagonisms are literally just directly one way. And that's the ruling class stopping all the workers, the landlord class becoming richer. That's why we are seeing rents drastically increase and an entire generation give up on the concept of home ownership. Like the idea of me ever owning a home never even crossed my mind. The, the millennials, and I'm a younger millennial, but especially Gen Z, that idea has been killed and has been dead because there is no mechanism in the United States politics where class warfare works through our bourbon system. This is why people call for building on revolutionary movements. Because you ask the question, like, how do we get Americans to wake up? How can we possibly break this landlord siege? Unfortunately, just take, it takes militant class warfare and the acknowledgment that there's more of us than that there are of them. Because China, they, they brought their landlords to heal. And I gotta do some more reading on this, but I read a little bit about how like the, how they bring landlords to heal in China. Like, you're only allowed to have like two properties, not, not really allowed to rent it. They got very strong regulations and practices that many people in the United States will freak out about. Like, I mean, I'm talking about like the capitalist landlord class. So whenever people say, well, and this is a lot of the cop you see from the right, they're like, well, do you know that China's capitalist now? Don't, don't, don't. You know they're not real socialists. I'm like, okay, we at least get to China first and then figure the rest out later. Like, China has created an amazing blueprint for humanity. And when you guys see the massive infrastructure projects that they accomplish, when you see the amount of people they lived out of poverty, when you see that the vast majority of young people in China has a positive view on the future, why don't you want, why don't Americans want to build that for ourselves? Like, why don't you want to compete in China? Not in the capitalist sense of comparing their stocks and dividends. Like, compete with them. Like, yeah, we, we uplift more people out of poverty into China. We build better infrastructure than China. Look at our, at our high speed rail. That's what I want to do. That's why I want to compete with China instead of just advocating for reformism, which would never hit us to that goal. And Objective, which I really hope Americans get their head on straight so we can actually start building something like. Like we see how China straight up.

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All right, so that, that is perfect to bring me into the main thing that I've wanted to talk to you about since I got back.

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Yeah.

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You know, you take a trip like that, you can't predict what you're going to see, how it's going to impact you. What, how it's going to change the way you look at life, the way you look at society, the way you look at America, the way you look at your own country. Now, one thing I got from it is Americans are crazy. Like, normal people don't act like we act here. Like really normal people don't act like that. Like what? They teach us that this is human nature. No, it's not. This is how humans behave under a very artificial environment where you're trained to treat everyone like a potential competitor. You're automatically gonna be aggressive. You're gonna have an aggressive posture. If people aren't trained to be that way, they default to being nice and polite. That's how most people are. Anywhere that you go in Asia, most people are very nice, very helpful, very polite towards you. That's communist, non communist Thailand, China, whatever. They're just. They're just very nice, very gentle, very, very kind, very decent. Vietnam and China in particular. When I looked at what these people went through to get what they got right, that is what has stayed with me. So I want to. I want to show you this. So this is. We know it as the Hanoi Hilton because this is where they kept the American prisoners in North Vietnam during the Vietnam War. But as you could tell from the outside, it was built by the French to imprison the Vietnamese. So that was the guillotine. You know, they decided you were more trouble than you were worth. Take you. They would take you right out to that courtyard. That was where they would do the execution. Right outside. They would take you out is how they would keep people chained up there.

A

It's crazy.

C

This is. This is one of the cells they keep you all the time you're in the cell with your hands chained up like that. Now this is what's going on here. The dungeon was used to confine prisoners who broke the regulations of the prison. The dungeon in Hoa Lo was hell of the hell. Dungeon was dark and narrow. Prisoners were kept separately and put in stocks and had to eat and relieve themselves on the spot. All the prisoners confined here were puffed with edema. Their eyes were clouded over and their bodies were covered with scabies caused by the lack of light and air. So there was a prison outside of Chongqing that I didn't get to go to. I'm sure you would see similar things to what you see in Vietnam. The Kuomintang used to keep them there and torture the Chinese communists. When I saw what these people went through to achieve what they've achieved, I say, how you gonna get Americans to do that? Honestly, man, Honestly, like, these people were ready to die. Yo, in Hua low prison there, they would. They would have their meetings teaching each other communist theory and they made them all share the same shit bucket. They would hide the literature in the ship bucket so they could keep training each other in communist theory.

A

Right.

C

You look at that level of toughness and dedication, how you. How are you going to build people like that out of this country? That is something you got to be realistic about if you're going to talk about these kind of revolutionary things. Now, for me, that definitely. I don't know if this changed so much. And I don't think you really disagree with this. I think you got a guy like Mamdani who goes ahead and does a rent freeze or a P to tear tax. I think that is good for people who want to push more radical politics. Because you want to show people that something that is associated with socialism or leftism made their lives better. I think that's going to make them more open to pitching that. And then of course, you talk about the genocide of Gaza. I mean, you look at what those people are suffering. I can't imagine I'm ever going to go out and tell people, go volunteer for a Democrat again. I. I can't see it happening. But when there are elections in my city, do I go and vote for someone like Mandani who refuses to not call Israel an apartheid state? Sure. Am I gonna say, yo, go volunteer. Mandani's having an event?

D

No.

C

Yeah. And part of the reason, especially having seen that coming back, I'm like,

B

you

C

know, I can't really advocate for some kind of an accelerationism when you got a population that can't do that. They're just not gonna. They're just not gonna. So at that point, you have a social collapse. The only person who's gonna be able to take advantage of that is Peter Thiel, because you don't have a bunch of Vietnamese. The Vietnamese people were the most beautiful people I ever met.

D

They there. I.

C

It's unbelievable how forgiving they are, right?

B

You.

C

Yo, you go there, man. You still see people walking around with no arms, literally walking around with no arms from that war still to this day. And you ask them across the board, you ask Vietnamese people what they think of Americans. They say, we're all friends now. That was the past. We don't forget, but it's part of our culture. You have to forgive, you have to move on. You don't hold on to these things. The combination of kindness and you can even now sense the toughness of those people. I asked younger Vietnamese what they, what they, how they felt about the government, and they said, we really like the government. We feel like we got to work with the government to make Vietnam better for our parents and grandparents who lived through the bad times. That was what they call it, the bad times, the war, the colonization. So you, as I, I don't want to speak for you, Marxist, Leninist, you would call yourself, I think, pretty accurate. So how do you see going forward, given everything I'm saying and you know, say, if you disagree with anything I said, say, so how do you go forward with these movements in America? And do you support any kind of harm reduction like a rent freeze from a person like Bondani, who's a Democrat?

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I remember I was talking to one of my Chinese friends and he was explaining how he's excited about a lot of people in the west who wants to move to China. Because that's, that's, that's a joke I make on, on my, on my channel all the time. Like, man, I need to do the linen model when I go where I go away from the empire and try to plan the revolution on the outside. But China, there are people who have a message for and they're very welcoming to people who want to visit. They offer visa free to a ton of different countries. But my friend was advocating. He, like, you guys have to understand that we went through centuries of humiliation, right? Like, one of the reasons why we have pride in our country is because our ancestors fought and died to create infrastructure where we are allowed to benefit from. And now we're, we went from being humiliated and a broken people to now a country that everyone want to travel to that is now respected. And that's something that the Chinese people have great pride in and mean people can't begin to reconcile with. So why, what I advocate for people is, don't you want your legacy to be that? Don't you have children? Don't you have people in your younger generations that you look to? And don't you have a sense of strong obligation, a feeling that you have to build something that will make the next generation better. That's, that's why I advocate for, that's why I dream for and people and they're, and the people I want to reach. Keep talking about how you reach these American people. Because there's a lot of people in my family don't even vote. I have, I have people in my family who have medical bankruptcies. These are the things that radicalized me. Like I wasn't even radicalized with theory. I was radicalized seeing a lot of my friends, my, my homeboys. I, I remember I had a conversation with my friend a long time ago because he was the hardest working dude that you will ever see. Like he, he was working two jobs. He was also hustling on the side. I never seen him there. I was, I offered him a place to stay because he was struggling. And this is despite him working two jobs. He always tired. And he and I had a conversation where he blamed himself. Like, Nick, I feel like I'm cursed, man. No matter what I do, there's nothing. And it was a very depressing conversation. And I had to tell him, man, like, man, bro, you are one of the hardest workers I know. How can you blame yourself? This is a systemic problem. So these are the people who are left behind with these incrementalist projects because they have long since, since gave up on the political system.

C

Right?

A

That's why I have a lot of people in my family. That's apolitical. It's very interesting because they will now bring up politics to me because they see my hotspot videos on their Facebook feed. They're like, damn, Nick, I never know you can cover politics like this. So like, for example, I was talking to my sister who she will never be able to explain like the, the complexities between economic systems and the corruption of United States lobbying. But she, she told me the one reason why she not into politics because she always knew it was, you know, she, she, she listened to all the politicians, you know, they're all full of shit. And she's not a political head. These are just the feelings that the vast majority of the American people feel. Always cringe when MAGA types and Democrats that we are half of the country. No, you guys are 1 4th at best on a good day. I would say 1 5th, to be clear. So the very hard task that we have, and I failed on this many times before, I had a lot of failures. I tried to organize the left, which is a nightmare, by the way. It's a nightmare. But we're trying to rbn, we haven't been successful. We're trying to build this movement that we know is necessary, but those people are there. We have to find a way to mobilize the people who, who don't even believe in the legitimacy of the two party system. That's. I know Democrats use this as a very dishonored, dishonest attack on DSA politicians, which I'm not using it in this way because they always like, well, don't you know that DSA people are supported by rich white suburbanites? Well, they're kind of being dishonest on that. But there's some truth in there where the people who are truly hurt by our American system, they don't even have the time or energy to invest in the Mamdani. These are the people who not even invested in the system. So we had to find a way to reach them. And that's what we at our Ben have been pondering. And that's why I'm very loud in my critiques of Xuron and the DSA politicians. But you guys know I never use my platform to punch down and I don't shame people. I make my arguments aloud and aggressively and people feel defensive when they hear it and they feel like they had to apologize to their vote, to me. But I view that as a failing of all of us. A revolutionary is not to provide the people in New York with a different alternative than a Zora Momdadi, than a dsa. And that's what I want to spend my time focusing on, building an alternative, giving people a chance to build our own movement where we can hold our own people accountable. Because Zora Mamdani don't get twisted. He's a fantastic manager of capitalism. He's probably the best gift that the establishment could possibly ask for. An amazing pressure release valve in this moment where people was beginning to mass exit the Democratic Party in a time where people was beginning to question the ruling class. You have Zoram Dani that is here to swoop in to save the massively unpopular Hakeem Jeffries and also to put a lot of people in the tranquilizing state where they feel like they're actually winning. That was the whole point. Instead of there being this anger where you see the genocidal Israeli regime get everything they want. They needed this pressure, pressure release someone who is willing to criticize Israel publicly but also materially support them when it actually matters. Like for example, when he banned breaking a campaign promise protest of a genocidal synagogue who was selling off Palestinian land. And remember, guys, in this moment where a lot of people were doing videos about Zionists being owned, isn't it? The Zionists are owned. The Zionists are melting down over Zoram Hamdani. That's about pressure releasing. They're trying to give you a sense that you are accomplishing something, that there's not action that need to be taken. Fam. 1/5 of the west bank is gone and they're going to continue. So in this era where Israel voted to annex the west bank, where they are engaging in mass torture and slaughtering of Palestinian people in the west bank, you have the anti Zionist movement in the United States just celebrating, just going to brunch and propping up a guy who is materially facilitating and shooting the people who are selling off Palestinian land. And these are the critiques I bring up because I want people to become activated and realize what's really at stake. And even though these managers of capitalism is important to help ease the pain that a lot of people are feeling in the working class, they still play a very, very important part for the establishment in order to dull revolutionary energy. And that is exactly what happened. Instead of actually having a true outside movement that can put real pressure on establishment, we have someone who is here to do propaganda, here to uplift and launder the reputation of people like Kathleen Hochul of King Jeffries and support the Democratic Party, which I don't think we need that in the moment. So don't get me twisted though. I'm not attacking anyone who support Mom Donnie. Like there are a lot of people on DSA who means well. It just with my platform. I want to make our moral differences clear and to provide alternative. I'll say this last thing. I'll let you chime in because.

C

Yeah, go ahead.

A

As like we speak about Mao before, when they had the revolution, not every single peasant was versed in communist theory. You think they always verse sector? It's our job to lead the working class in the right position. If I hear one more person say shift over to window to the left, I'm gonna slap them in the face. I'm tired.

C

Shift. Shift over what?

A

Shift the Overton window. I'm tired of that term. I'm tired of the term Overton window. The American people already deeply distrust the institutions. Congress has a 10 approval rating. The American people are already against the Israeli regiment. The American people have supported health care. We need to lead them in a direction where we can actually get that instead of voting for House speakers and blocking the votes for Medicare fraud, for example. So I, I don't. I strongly disagree. And did my last, my real last statement here, I, I disagree morally as a peace activist with this, with the trade off that we will support imperialist talking points, we will support NATO, we will condemn Cuba, we will condemn Venezuela, we will condemn Hamas, we will condemn resistance fighters, just so we'll get like free buses, just so we can get some welfare programs. Once again, I'm not knocking people. I know we have a very hard choice, but that's what I use my platform for, to point out these moral differences between us and them. And that's just another reason why we need to build. I know that was a long. No, no, we're just scratching the surface here.

C

Oh, man. You were invited on for an interview. You're here to talk. All right, well, I looked into this with Mamdani because I saw a lot of people saying this. He actually vetoed an earlier bill on the synagogues that actually did ban it. He agreed to a bill that forbid what was already policy, that you can't block the entrance, which was not actually a change in the policy. You know, Keaton, we've talked about this on the show, and I think he's right in the way he lays out Mandani as look, man, the guy's a politician. Like, that's a very different position from. That's what I said about him. The one time I actually physically met him, he was at a Tesla protest that I went to stream, and this is when he was at like 5% in the polls. So he was willing to talk to me then. So I came away, I said, I asked him a question about how do you get people who got burned by Sanders to support you? And he completely ducked the whole question. And I said, when I came away, the impression I got of him, he's a politician and he is.

A

He is.

C

I think it's very difficult. And this, this is really what I'm saying in terms of the trip that I took and the perspective it gave me. I can't tell people, don't take the rent freeze when there is nothing feasible coming behind that now, building out a movement. I agree. That's what the Vietnamese did. They did it for 100 years. 100. This didn't start when America showed up. This goes back to the French. And actually when you see how they frame their struggle against colonialism, right. America is the final act. It's the final boss in the game for them. Most of that history is about other countries occupying them, particularly France. It's mostly about. They mostly talk about France. America is like the cherry on the whipped cream. That was like the last thing that they had to get past to get their country for themselves. So yes, the kind of organizing you're talking about, absolutely.

A

Yeah.

C

But you got to do that in the first place. Otherwise what are you telling people not to take these things that are going to help their lives for? You know, look, I am fortunate enough, honestly, I've been living in the same building for 20 years because we have rent stabilization in New York. My rent is so far below market rent. I'm not going to go broke without a rent freeze. But I don't have kids, man. I don't have a family. I'm not in that position. It's not about me. It honestly isn't. Like most of the things I advocate for, I don't really need. Like we all need health care, right? I mean we all need that. But a lot of these kinds of things. Like, am I really worried I'm going to be homeless? No, but I'm thinking about the people who are going to be homeless. Like, what am I telling them to turn that down for. For a revolution that is decades, decades away? Decades away. Like, yeah, man, you. When we went out to St. Louis to document what the Uhurus are doing. That's amazing. Like, that's amazing work like that. Of course it's worth supporting, it's worth organizing and it's worth trying to build that framework to undermine the system like the. Like the Vietnamese did. Right. But they didn't do that overnight. That took a lot. That for them, that was a century. That was like a century of training people in communist theory and communist thinking. Having gone and seen communism at work. Yeah, I pretty much got converted over. I did.

A

Yeah.

C

At the same time it gave me a realistic perspective on what you would need to do to get that in America. And I think people, I think activists should work towards that. Having seen it in action. Yeah, I do. It would be just like there it's what. It's socialism with Chinese characteristics. It would be different here. The way they do it in China. I'll tell you right now, it wouldn't work here. We're a different people. Were a very different.

A

It would take a different approach.

C

You'd have to take a different approach. Their version is very Confucian. And they lived with that system for over a thousand years. They adopted that basic way of doing things to a communist theory. So the population already was kind of used to the way that they're approaching government and its relationship to people. You couldn't do it that way. You'd have to figure that out. That's part of what revolutionaries like yourself have got to figure out. Like how do you adopt that to the American model? But you got to do what they did. They built cells and they educated for a hundred freaking years. Now, I'm not saying 100 years. I, I think things move faster now. They're starting from a kind of peasant society where most people are illiterate. When they're starting to try to educate people in communism, we're not coming from that position. But it ain't going to happen tomorrow. So final, so final question. So given that, how do you feel about these DSA candidates? You know, the Dariel Lizzo who was, you know, protester at Columbia Valdez is actually speaking against funding for Ukraine and Dariel is, it seems like she might go that way. So how do you, like, what would you do if you lived here? Would you vote for them?

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That's a good question. Because people always say we are extremely far away from revolution. And that's why I advocate for the action. I do. Because where do you guys think a revolution spawns from? Where does it come from? It doesn't come from a membrane, from another reality and arriving society. We are the revolution. So that's all, all I advocate for. That's why you want to see me go after you. Because you're not a Democratic Party sheepdog. Because I've seen you support Shamasawan. I've seen you support Joe Stein, the Green Party, I believe. I don't want to misspeak for you, but I've seen you support people outside of duopoly.

C

Yeah, well, Jose too.

A

Yeah.

C

So I, I mean, the only people we've endorsed are not Democrats. We haven't endorsed any Democrats.

A

Absolutely. Absolutely. That's why there's no problem with what you are doing. What I have problems with are people who only engage in Democratic Party entryism.

C

Right.

A

Because please explain to me why people in DSA are not actively supporting Shama Sawan, who is running the genocidal monster and Adam Smith. So regard to your question, it really depends on the context. Like is there. Because if I was in New York, I probably would have been kicked out dsa. I probably would have joined dsa, would have got kicked out immediately. But it, once again, it really depends on the context. Like for example, I, I could have seen myself voting for Corey Bush the first time. I don't really see myself, if I was in St. Louis voting for her Again, because I don't. Right. I think I, I, I find her votes for the Nazis in Ukraine to be very deplorable. And whenever I bring up this like Nick, don't you know that the American people don't care about geopolitics like that? And I'm like, sir, I am an American people. This is what I care about and this is what I'm trying to get people to care about. Because all these issues are inherently connected and it's more than just a strategy difference. And that's why my criticisms are extremely scathing. That's why I had Ro Khanna stuttering like a child when he came on my show. Because they can't reconcile their politics with me. I'm sorry. But I do find it morally reprehensible to be supportive of NATO. That's why Darrelliza is very interesting to watch for me because Darren. Liza Caviera, I don't know her last name, but Xavier. So she's one of the most impressive progressive democrats was that was elected because she was one of the few people on the left that was critical of the Ukraine proxy war. But you guys see how quickly she deleted all her tweets. She apologized for her previous action. So that's a bad sign. So what happens when you get and

C

she apologized for saying Kamala,

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it's not a good sign. So we will see what happens when she bow to the establishment. So it's not about like Nick, will you support dsa? I, I don't trust them. Because we've seen what happens when you guys get power. You guys won't fight your party to fight for medical fraud. You will support Nancy Pelosi and the King Jeffries. And when you guys say you support Palestine, this is what once again I have to correct the record with my platform. People can make whatever decision they make. But I believe that these details are important because now we're in a situation where Israel is extremely is an issue that many Americans really care about. So now we're seeing the professional managerial class and liberal Zionists use that issue and kind of dumb it down and they use it to help the get themselves elected because once again they all support NATO. What do you mean you support NATO? Ilhan Omar poses with these Azov Nazis. So that alone is a red line. But what is NATO responsible for? You have Mark Ruta that who just admitted that NATO played a crucial part in the bombing of Iran. They are an instrument used to uphold United States imperialism. NATO countries are the one who provided aid to Israel as they Slaughter Palestinians, refuse to put sanctions on them as they annex the West Bank. NATO is also full of countries like the UK and many other who provide weapons to the uae. What do the UAE use the weapons for? They use it to fund on Sudan. Sudan, yeah. Well, when I'm looking at these people like it's easy to say free Palestine, that's easy to do. But your politics is incoherent. You got your politics is inherently incoherent. Empowering the Israeli regime. Like Mamdani's wife for example, she supported free Syria. She supported the head choppers in Syria. Now Donald Trump is talking about using Syria to fight Hezbollah in Lebanon. So there's a lot of dumbing down on this issue. And what I'm going to use my platform for, and I can only explain my position, I'm using my platform to educate people in the Palestine movement. While these moves by the professional managerial class undermines the Palestine resistance and the Palestine struggle. That's why it's crucial that they get that, get that right. If you believe that these are youthful trade offs, if you want to overlook these differences to get welfare programs, that's okay. But I'm not going to use my platform to ignore these very important issues, especially considering I cover geopolitics like that's kind of what I do. That's why we do a hot spot. So I'm here to remind people how if you guys think that these people are good on Palestine, there's a reason why they're allowed to exist because they will also condemn bds. They would support Mossad talking points about the Iranian regime murdering thousands of their people. This is what Zuron said. Like Jaron gets away with stuff that AOC would never get away with. You know, like AOC would get crucified for doing the that's Iran did. But he gets away with for things with it for some reason. And people like Nick, well, he's a mayor. Well stop chiming in on this stuff. Why are you protecting Hakeem Jeffries and Natural Figures? So what I'm here to do is to be the person who point out these differences and then people who support these politicians, they can use that to hold them accountable and make them better. It's a win win. Use my pressure. Because in a hypothetical scenario, and I explained this many times before, in a hypothetical scenario where I was going to vote for a politician, I, I would take that to my grave. I wouldn't even say until the day of the election, you consistently hold these people accountable. You trying to make keep Them morally consistent. What I see is celebrity worship. What I see. And, and this is. I don't think you're responsible for this, but there are a lot of people who view like Xuron as a cult. They, the same way they simp over aoc.

C

There's like, yeah, yo, man, I, I posted a video of that on my, on my travel channel. They freaking, they're selling. I've never seen this in my life. I'm a native New Yorker. They're selling zoron merch on Union Square. I've never seen that in my life, man. And they're doing a brisk business. It was like a quiet day. I was interviewing the guy and like three people came by to buy a shirt in like 10 minutes.

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He's a great. Guys like don't give. He's the best manager of capitalism. I'm not even saying that as a shade. And I, I mean, and not even personal. I'm sure he's a great guy to hang out with. Probably like if you imagine if you sit next to Zaron in the New York Knicks game, that probably would be a fun time. It's not personal. But politics is a real serious game and I want people to. I just simply want them to get these issues right. And I need people to. And one of the reasons I point out these differences is to help spur people to organize on their own to realize that, hey man, we can do better. Like Zuron, doing great. All the progressive politicians are great, but I believe in the potential of the working class. Well, I truly do believe we can do better. So if you support Zuron, if you like them, I'm not there. I'm not here to punch down. I'm not here to attack these people. I'm here to remind people that I believe that we can do better. I really do believe in the potential of the working class. And the reason why third party movements fail is because Americans are mostly lazy who just expect a spontaneous revolution will pop off. I am not one of the people that believe a spontaneous revolution will pop off. It takes everyone doing their work and doing what they can do. And that's why I'm trying my best for. I'm not great at it. I'm not saying that I'm the next Malcolm X or anything, but imagine if everyone who had a nihilistic approach where they feel like the only option they have is to put blind trust in politicians. Imagine if they did what they could for a revolutionary part. That's, that's what the theme I want to remind people we have the power. You can choose to either sit out of the game and just trust the Zora Momdani or you can get in the game and help build this movement which once again I've seen you help prop up third party Candace and that's why I want to see you like do, do whatever you think in your personal life can help you shield from the pains of capitalism. But please keep your head on straight and remember who's our real class enemy. I think there are a lot of people forget that because of the tranquilizing drugs. And that's mostly kind of my position. Hopefully I'm summing it up well here for you guys to understand, but I'm just here to spur revolutionary action and, and let people know that we have better options and we could do better even than the best among them, like Z. That's just my thoughts.

C

All right, MAN one, One last question because while I got you here, I gotta ask you this. So. So I'm reading, I'm actually having them on on the 29th. The author, Joel Whitney, he wrote a book called Finks that I already knew. Some of this really my audience put me on to the Congress of Cultural Freedom and that history of them manipulating culture and the arts to support an anti communist agenda going back to the Cold War. This book really focuses on how the CIA was funding all of these literary magazines in the 50s. And it's really amazing when you look at what they did because basically they created the MSNBC tactic back in the 50s. They realized the McCarthy thing, it's too crude. The wealthy professional class people are not going to go for that. It's too, that's for, that's for the beer drinkers, right? We need an anti communism that the academics and the PMCs are gonna go for. So they got a bunch of NYU professors and they formed, I can't remember what it was called, but they formed a group whose job it was to go debate communists and essentially rule them out of bounds for the more upper middle class types. Now when you watch what Mika Brzezinski does, that she's a modern version of that. And I'm sure they're all working for the intelligence services just like these people were. They never stopped doing it. Now Richard Wright actually worked for the CIA for a while. A lot of these writers were recruited by the CIA and he quit. And he said this back in the 50s. He said every left organization has been created by intelligence services and they use it to round up all the left in one place where they can keep an eye on them. So that to me is another level. I said this straight to Jill Stein. Like I'm not throwing shade on her. When I interviewed her when we were both in Chicago, I said, what do you do about infiltration? Because it's so obvious to me that all of these left movements are infiltrated. It's so obvious. You can't tell me in a country with over 300 million people you can't find effective leftists. You can't tell me they don't exist. So that tells me they're being undermined. So that's the fear too. Like, like Nick, you build up a nationwide movement like that, you know the CIA and the FBI are going to send people right into your organization. Yeah, like what do you, what do you do about that?

A

Yeah, for one, you got to understand that that's even a problem because a lot of these liberal organizations, they will call you a conspiracy theorist if you mention how governments, they don't even acknowledge the problem, which is why there's a problem in the first place. You know that DSA don't acknowledge this as a problem. This is the core problem with dsa. You guys know, they just, they allow anyone to join because they like if you we can eject party members, that will be authoritarianism. That's ask for your organization to be hijacked. So they got this thing they call the dsa, right? Have you seen this, Russell? They said, well yeah, we got people on the dsa, right? These are the people who, who voted to on the DSA line where they said they will support Israel right to exist. And that's why a lot of people called him a Zionist organization because a lot of Zionists infiltrated them. They had people like Brad Lander. Brad Lander quit the dsa. The guy who just won his election, he, he quit DSA after October 7 because he called him a group of anti Semites and then DSA as an organization later then embraced him. The guy who called them anti anti Semite. So if you was to create a left organization, like if the CIA was going to create a left organization, for example, if people wanted to create a left organization that's inherently ineffective, they have dsa that's right out of their handbook. And the DSA started as an organization to push the Vietnam War to get leftists to support the Vietnam War. They existed as an organization.

C

Is that true? I didn't realize they went back that far.

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Yeah, no, they've been, they are a 40 plus year organization. That's why it's weird when people pretend they're new like this. Not. These are not the first elections that they won. Be like, oh, my God, yes, they won election. They win elections. The problem is what happens after that. They still have an expelled AOC for vote. Supporting the Iron Dome for her. Rejecting their own strategy of. Of supporting primary challenges because there's no party enforcement. There's no real line. There's no. That's why they have a dsa, Right? That's the kind of organization that you create if you're begging to be infiltrated. So every movement is. Is susceptible to that. It. You've got to at least acknowledge that as a problem, which they don't even do. That you have. I learned this through my failures with RBN as well. I learned this through my own organizing that you gotta. You gotta drive a hard ideological line. And you got to make sure that you guys are all on the same page. You guys are all in tune in class warfare. And that's why entryism inherently fails. So we will see with the new crop of politicians. That's why everyone's celebrating right now. And I'm like, fam, I'm sorry to be the spoiler here, but winning the election is not the big part. The big part is what you do after that. You guys won plenty of elections. What happened to Maxwell Frost? You know, they don't even talk about him anymore. He sold out fast as hell. Name one DSA or one progressive Democrat that held the line against the establishment in such a way that he would. They was expelled from the party. It never happened and it never will. They will always fall with the Democratic Party line because that's what happens when you don't build your own movement. So that's why I want the left in the United States to do that. What I hope that I want to see happen.

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Nick, man, thank you for being so generous with your time. It's good to see you, man. It's been too long.

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Yeah, it's great to be in conversation with you. You guys are killing the game. And one thing I always got to say. Please don't fall into political nihilism like that. We have one life. And. And the goal that we should have is to advance humanity into the future. That is what socialists want. The ruling class. They want. They want humanity to descend into barbarism. To. To continue the expansion of the ill. Got to means. We can't get given to nihilism. We have to continue to organize. Trust our neighbors, build with our neighbors. And mutual aid societies is a big part of that. Because I know we were talking about how. What about people needs right now? That's a big part of it. Showing up for your neighbors, creating mutual aid societies. We have our Palestinian brothers and sisters who are struggling right now, which is why a big focus of RBN and what we're doing right now is fundraising for Gaza funds. So we have a. Our merch store, rbn. I don't make any.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. Where can people find you? How can people support what you're doing?

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Yeah, yeah, you can find me on Nick Cruz. I stream on YouTube. Also on Hotspot. We also raise money for Palestinian films. Once again, I don't make any money off any of the merch I sell. It's just n. I know you're man Palestine. If you don't want a shirt, donate to Palestine. It just. If you want to shirt, anyone donate Palestine. That's what it's for. But that's what we need to be here. We need to be here for our neighbors.

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Where, where, where do they find that? How do they donate to that?

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Yeah, Bonfire RBN shop. We link it on our channel. You can subscribe to us on Nick Cruz on YouTube. Also revolutionary blackout, where Rome streams as well. We're still active and that's just our main goal right now. Make sure you subscribe to my channel on YouTube and I also tweet it out all, all the time socials, mma. Make sure you guys follow me. I stream about two, three times a week and I focus heavily on short form content at Hotspot. But either way, whether you support my mutual aid, it doesn't support something. Please. We need as much aid to our Palestinian brothers and sisters as possible. That's why I want to heavily promote. So thank you for having me on, Russ. I love the work that you guys do. I appreciate being dialogue with you.

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It's mutual, man. Let's. Let's. We got to do a post duopoly soon, man.

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Yeah, for sure. I'm down. I'm definitely down.

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All right, thank you, guys. Thank you. All right. That was the great Nick Cruz. I know a lot of you are probably already familiar with his work. If you're not, definitely check him out. What just happened? Oh, hang on. There we go. Okay, so we're gonna read some super chats before we go over to Rumble. That was. I have been wanting to have that conversation with Nick for months. Literally for months. I've been back from Asia for two months. All right, so pirate Justin spend American tax money on Americans anti Semite. Yeah. Jimmy, dore friend of show. Jimmy. Is this the actual Jimmy Dore or someone posing as Jimmy Dore? What do you call a system that takes the richest country in the world and renders half its citizens unable to afford a thousand dollar emergency? A failed system. That is something we can all agree on. Eric uso. What's up, man? Who's worse, Goyems or muggles? Both are victims of supremacist ideology. You're right, ma'.

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Am.

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Ericuso, will I be subjected to some MK derp today? I believe so. I believe. I believe I saw Mr. Derp there logging in. Roger Meadow. Time for another force the vote, baby. I got a list I'm presenting to Dariel Lizza when I get on the zoom with her Friday. All right, go for it. Roger Meadows. Zancus Cash Patel is from Garden City. What is he, Robert Kalelian? For those who haven't figured out how this works by now, power corrupts absolutely. It doesn't matter who or which party it is. The only way to hold their feet to the fire, like democracy, is fix the msm. You know, I went pretty. I bore down pretty deep on the China stuff with Nick. I. I mean, that is very interesting what they've done there. It's basically you.

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You.

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They have elections. If you're a communist, you have to be trained in that way of thinking. So it's. It's interesting the way they've kind of approached that question of power corrupting. And again, that goes back to Confucianism, the idea that you're going to have rule by the wise. Roger Meadows. We need to run indies for New York state legislature who will use leverage to force a vote on making New York a citizen ballot measure. Amendment state. We get it done ourselves. Eric. Uso. Does this mean the Democrats are bringing back Mary Censorship poppers? Of course they are. Of course they are. I've been saying the whole thing the whole time as. As the Republicans have been lighting the country on fire and guaranteeing an enormous midterm backlash. Remember the cancel pigs? They're coming back. They're gonna be back. Mina can't. I've been saying lower rent prices back to the last time and raise minimum wage because this is. Yep, T bone loving the lineup of guests you bring on Russ each time a guest host. DD rocks. Yes. Well, that's one of the awesome things about the opportunity Jimmy gives me to come on here. I get to talk to some amazing people and hopefully expose them to a wider audience. IO Shush, Russ with your commie propaganda. We had Communism for four years under Biden and even President Xi in China told Trump America was dead and is now hottest country in the world. Yeah, I'm sure. I mean if he said that he went, he went back and laughed with his friends over drinks later on. You believe he believed that? Nocturnal human now you can get to work for just half of your paycheck when you fill up at the station. Dob Thur Middle class is a wage earner who's capable of purchasing their own home out of those wages letting them in on the economic growth capital that working class have none of. You see a lot of different definitions of what constitutes working class. Steve Bertram all the same affordability problems exist in China that exist in the West. Young people absolutely cannot afford to buy a house or start families and yet 95% of people own their homes. So that literally cannot be true. I actually spoke to a guy in China who moved back from Canada because wage relative to purchasing power he came out ahead in China. James Holmes China never built Epstein Island Bunch of losers. The V the gorilla that's why they had all that money to put into infrastructure. There weren't space spending it on pre teen girls V the Gorilla if Americans saw China on the ground, their brains will break. In the US we are a speculative economy, a fire economy. Finance, insurance and real estate. We have no industry. Our manufacturing is a cottage industry to finance. Yep, yep. It did blow my mind. It blow everybody who goes to China mind blown like yeah compared to America. You want to appreciate how much you're being ripped off? Go to China if you can. You'll never see America the same way again. Nina can Land of the free most junk fees society on earth. Freedom. Yeah, that seems to be how they define it. And final batch. Michael Buffalo cap inheritance at 10 million and disperse the rest to pay off the national debt, bolster SSI and house the homeless. Billionaires would drop like flies and we could all be free again. Well if we eat just one billionaire like the shirt says. Hang on, is that the last one? That can't be the last one. The Hang on. This isn't coming in properly. We got Roger Meadows. The reason China is able to improve on their infrastructure is due to them laxing their environmental regulations. This encroachment on the natural world led to a decaying ecosystem. As a result they're now in an environmental crisis. I you know, listen man, I appreciate you but have you been there? Have you ever been? Have you ever been? No. In all in all seriousness man, I did. I did a video about this when I was in one of the China train stations, China went through a phase just like we did, just like Europe did, where the energy was very dirty. Beijing was kind of famous for having this smog. And then they took the increase in wealth and productivity that they had and put it into clean energy. Now when you go through China, the air is pretty good and you see solar farms and windmills everywhere. You know where you don't see that? America. America is actually in an environmental crisis where you can't get clean water all over the country because they won't invest in any of the infrastructure. You know what they have outside of New Orleans, they got a place called Cancer Alley. Cancer Alley. Not coincidentally, most of the people who live there are black, not surprisingly. And that is because they let these corporations just build chemical plants right next to where people live and they all get cancer. So I would worry a little more about that problem here than in China. Okay, Roger Meadows, let's not forget the labor exploitation they do of black people in Africa, including children, for those minerals. So they're just as imperialistic. Now, Roger, again, man, I appreciate you throwing some money in the till here. Are you honestly going to start talking about the exploitation of Africans as an argument against China as an American? Are you joking me? We did a story not too long ago about how in the Congo they were talking about bringing legal action against Apple for buying up stolen minerals and conflict minerals. So, yeah, Nick effing gets it. Thanks for having them. From 31, Joseph. It was. Honestly, man, that is the person I most wanted to have a conversation with since I got back. Roger Meadows. Nick's M.O. is a C by CBI. State organizing your state around citizen initiated constitutional amendments. Movements begin in the states. You know, I don't think he'd be against that, actually. JB Brilliant guest, Russ. I love Nick's perspective. So do I. All right, those are all of our super chats. We are going to go over to Rumble. I believe we're going to be joined by Kirk. We got three segments. We're gonna do Tyler Robinson. We're gonna do Maha Betrayed, and we're going to do a short piece on the Flock Camera Rebellion. All right, we'll see you over there. We are back. This is Russell Dobular filling in for Jimmy Dore. And who's this we got here?

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Kurt Colorado, the head of the dsa. I didn't know this is what we were doing. I thought,

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you know, this is why I always call the DSA the Million White Kids March.

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Is that what you Want to talk about? I could be at home banging my wife. I could be at home crushing right now instead of this.

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I, you know, I think it was a fair question. I think it was a fair question. I asked.

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I didn't know what. I didn't know that they were formed to get socialists to like the Vietnam War. I didn't know that.

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I didn't know that either.

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Of course, they were much like Gloria Steinem was a obvious CIA plant the entire time.

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Well, yeah, I'm happy. Did you read Finks?

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Finks?

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I'm having the guy who wrote Finks on. On the 29th. It's. It's a book about how all the literary magazines in the 50s and 60s were CIA fronts. Like all of these, like, intellectual coffee table kind of magazines that were, you know, it's supposed to be part of the whole upscale intellectual conversation. A lot of these writers worked for the CIA, man.

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All of them, all of our stuff,

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they were funded by the CIA. Like reading this made me realize so much of what we live in today, they established it then and they just never stopped doing it.

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It's the post World War II, World War III against us. That.

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Right.

B

That the post World War II order they always talk about. They dance around calling it what it is because, you know, New World order has. Has a bad connotation now and. Yeah, and then because who's the guy that died way back when that was like they accused him of doing all the false memories and.

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Yeah, you're talking about the guy in chaos and. Chaos.

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No, no, not Tom. No, no. There's a doctor that died who was like a hypnotherapist. I remember at the time. I bet you probably feel differently now, but at the time you're like, oh, this guy deserved it because he caused fake memories in people of fake abuse. And if it's possible to put in fake memories. So just like, what's the more likely scenario if we could do that, you can put a memory in someone's head that's not real, which I guess you can do. What are the odds as one bad guy and not the CIA that does it? What are the fucking odds, you know? And so the repressed memory Syndrome, home, whatever that foundation is, right, that's back by the Temple of Satan. Do you know who founded that? How much a Satanist did? Because they do that stuff for real. They're scumbags. So now that guy Tom, who's right, he was doing those hearings are going to lead to nothing. They're going to lead to Absolutely nothing.

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That's. That's Tom o'. Neill. My, my. My fellow horse and carriage driver.

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You knew him from that?

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I didn't know him from that, but that's how I got him to come on, because he wasn't going to do the interview. And then I pulled the carriage driver card and he was like, all right, I'll come on.

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Oh, we already had a panel at Skank Fest with me and Duncan and him, and he's buddies with Fitzsimmons. And so he was talking that Bugliosi creep for years. Full on psychopath. The fake hero cop.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That was crazy. That was crazy.

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But look, let's just use our, our noggins for a minute. All these famous awful figures of the modern century. Manson, Whitey Bulger, the Unabomber, the. Take your pick, all of them are MK Ultras. That we know for a fact. It's not a secret thing. We know for a fact. Now, I used to think like, oh, that was just a separate thing where they did. I was like Bill Maher about it. Something with lsd. No, no, no, no, no, no. It's right down to the culture. The culture war is one of the most important wars there is. It really is. Because that gives you the framework in your Overton window of your veal cage that you're allowed to think in.

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Right, right, exactly.

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So we could never go. So that's why they're freaking out about the fake DSA and this dumb dialectic thing they're doing, because we can't even allow the idea of something with socialists in the title because that would lead to communist. They all think like that. They all think like the slightest opening or unfreezing in your paradigm is going to be.

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Well, well, well, they have to. Because how do you convince people who live in the richest country on earth and don't have health care that that's the way things should be?

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I mean, you have to.

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You have to relentlessly propagandize them. Exactly.

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I do. The same way England.

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You see Uwe bowl with the, with the freaking Incel Batman movie over there? He did. He sent out his own AI poster. Part 2 Somali scams. He know, he knows. He stepped in.

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I wanna, I wanna ask you.

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You could pedal crap to these morons forever.

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Well, I, I've interviewed him before. I had him on my old podcast, Uve Bowl. Really? He famously would box his critics, right? Video game movies. Very interesting guy to talk to. He started open up restaurants. He became a restaurant tour or something after that. And he's going, yeah. I realized people actually care about these stupid videos. I didn't realize it. And I. I would handle them. Like it's just some house.

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Right.

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He's actually, like, really reflective, interesting guy to talk to. So I bet you. And I would like to. I have his number. I got it. I got to get my WhatsApp back on my new phone.

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And I mean, now would be the time to have him on with his

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restaurants is my bet. But I could be wrong. Some of his restaurants wasn't going. Okay. Because you know how Germany's outsourced all their fuel to, you know, Ukraine? They don't get fuel no more because.

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Right. Yeah.

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And it was already like that when I talked to him. So I'll bet you Israel, some Israel front, like a vine and fig tree, gave him money.

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Right, right. Right at the beginning.

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Two disgraced actors that are in these Zio films. One is Armie Hammer, and then the other is the guy that played Kang in the MCU till they had to

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video him, The Majors.

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Yeah. And. And that movie, if you think this one's good, I haven't watched it. Looks like kind of boring. But.

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But this one coming out, the incel Batman movie.

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Yeah.

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It's not all that. That's. I. It's. It's.

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He's not an incel.

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He's pretty bad. I mean, he's kind of an incel.

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I like that he made them admit that as long as. Is not compatible with Western culture, the way being a cannibal is. This is a culture of cannibals. And these muzzies aren't welcome here. They're not going to fit in.

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No, it was very subtle. It was very subtle. Right at the beginning, right before his mother was murdered. The little kid in the movie has a. Has a blue and white striped cap. What are you. What are you trying to tell.

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So that's obviously, he got paid. That's hasbara money. A little.

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It was very obvious watching it.

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So that's in Germany. Yeah. And then that's what the deal is with the other movie. So that guy got injured on that movie. He felt the real glass instead of breakaway glass. The black guy. Forget Jonathan Majors.

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Right.

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On the Ben Shapiro picture they're making. And that movie is about how a Virginia college falls under Sharia law. I you not.

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Yeah, yeah.

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It can happen here. Right, Russell?

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It could happen here. Okay, so let's get to our first segment. We're gonna do three. Crank them out. This is Russell Dobular filling in for Jimmy Dore out on the road with our friend Kirp the derp.

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Kirk, Colorado, head of the Colorado dsa.

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Kirk, Colorado. We're gonna try not to ask upsetting questions.

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I don't have to be.

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We don't want to upset them.

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Indonesia.

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Yes. After. After what happened with Brianna, we really had to twist his arm to come on over here. I mean, it was very upsetting for him.

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I was drinking Bloody Mary out of a mason jar, and she was just going on and on about nonsense.

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Okay, so, from Matt Von Swole. Police in Houston, Texas, are asking the public's help to identify the mystery person who cut down two Flock cameras on Independence Day. See, they. They know that the people are going to rise up, and they're quietly building out the infrastructure to make sure you can't. So there's a little news segment on this that cut down completely, sprayed over with an American flag on it. And not far away, there's another clock camera on the ground as well. HPD says it's investigating this, but so far there are more questions than. Than answers. These cameras, meant to help solve crimes, now becoming the target of one both cut in half and covered in spray paint. Yeah, I didn't realize that the cameras were there until you actually pointed that out. Juan Rodriguez's business, Spar Houston, is located by Washington Avenue and Westcott, where this happened. These are Flock cameras, meant to read license plates and alert police if they're connected to crimes. Rodriguez says he didn't see who did this, but he's left wondering why they did. That's what it sounds like it would be.

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Somebody just protesting their rights are being

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violated or something like that. Flock cameras have been used in the city of Houston since 2021, according to the company. The Houston Police Department tells us they were notified these cameras were damaged on the morning of July 4th. As far as the repair costs, HPD says it depends on who is responsible for these specific cameras. While some cameras are installed through city contracts, others are done with neighborhoods or private groups that choose to share footage with police. HPD couldn't confirm who was responsible for these cameras, only saying this is an ongoing investigation. ABC13 reached out to Flock asking if they were aware of this situation and what the repair process would look like. They didn't answer those questions, but did say, quote, unquote, damaging public safety equipment is illegal and puts the community at risk, which is why we strongly condemn this type of behavior. Yeah, it's also bad for business. Yeah, no, it's all about safety. So this is from Jason Bassler flock cams have been found at bike paths, nature trails, public parks, wilderness areas, community pools, reproductive clinics, schools and preschools, entrance to state parks, gyms and recreation centers, children's gymnastics room. It's not plate tracking, it's people tracking. Yes. So this is kind of a Sweeping the nation here. This is in north carolina. Some footage of guys also taking matters into their own hands with these flock cameras. I think people should start wearing Mario brothers outfits when they do this. When they go to take down these cameras. There they go.

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All right.

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They didn't do nothing. I didn't see nothing. All right, so here's a based cop. Yes. Those words can go together when they resign. Police officer. This is from wall street apes. Police officer becomes a whistleblower and says that flock safety cameras are not what we're being told they are. My name is Noel picharo. I'm a ex cop here in the state of rhode island. I'm regrettably an ex police officer. It's part of the reason why I'm doing one of the strangest things I've ever done, which is talking in front of a camera in order to inform you all about a concerning trend that's been steadily rising in my state and other states across the.

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Across the country.

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So in about.

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In 2021, 2022, my city, the city of pawtucket, the police department I was a part of, along with other departments in my state, started quietly signing contracts with this new technology called flock camera. It's a surveillance system company run by a man named Garrett langley. He's the CEO and founder of that company. Basically, it's a very sophisticated AI software that use the camera system to track and monitor every vehicle that goes by the camera lens. You know, it doesn't require a violation. It doesn't require any infraction. It only requires movement. That's it. And it records the make, the model, color, bumper stickers, you name it, of the vehicle that goes by every single one of these camera lenses. They're quite discreet. If you don't know what they are, you won't be able to spot them out. They're basically put on utility poles that the main intersections in your city, if you have them. So to put it bluntly, you know, if you own a car, you're now being tracked. If I could put it plainly, for committing the sin of going to work, this information is shared city to city and even state to state without a warrant. There's no legislation governing this technology. Well, specifically referring to my state, which doesn't have any legislation, governance, technology, even though it's been in use for about four years now. And if you're still watching this video, I'm assuming your temper is starting to flare up because it's probably the first time you're hearing about this, which I think is the worst thing about this, in my opinion, is that you, the American citizen, was never notified about this innovation, nor its. Nor its implementation. Your consent was never required, nor even asked for or even thought about when your city government was putting up this new technology. Yep. Yep. Most people don't even know this exists.

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Yeah, they don't care either, Judge. I tell them about it, they'll be this. They'll be. I'm telling you, people do not give a about it. And the ones who do like, they're not going to be listened to. It's much like my dumb friend who is still pro Israel. I'm like trying to. The trauma of this show is I gotta explain to people after the show and watching their stupid blank faces that see and hear nothing. And that's why we know MK Ultra continued into a mass rollout. That's how we know for sure.

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Well, yeah. Americans are hypnotized. Like there's really no other way to put it. They're hypnotized.

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It came out that they eat your kids, you morons, and you're all cool. Super bowl.

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That's.

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You deserve to be. Beef jerky, all of you. And you will be. And you will be.

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You will be.

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They also pick up your phone's ip, so that means they also know your movement pattern, where you go, the streets you use, where you live, who's in the car with you, etc. And this is Matt Von Swall here. What on earth? Over a hundred Flock cameras that were set to go dark at the end of June after city council voted to shut them down have bizarrely remained on. And the police are still using them.

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Yeah.

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On June 17th, the city council safety Committee voted to end the contract because when they asked police to prove these cameras actually reduce crime, the police could only point to three cases that led to convictions. So the City Council let the contract expire on June 29. But then people noticed the cameras were still up because Flock volunteered to keep them running for free while the city figures it out. In fact, police confirm they're still running them to keep the community safe.

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Well, that's great.

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And the company agreed to keep the system live despite the contract expiring. It gets worse when reporters ask simple questions like, is data still being collected? Do the cameras shut off or keep recording. Who can access what was already stored? It turned out that neither the city nor Flock would answer. So, just to recap. The contract is expired. The elected body said no. Nobody reauthorized it. Flock won't say what it's doing with the data, but the cameras are still on and being used by police. Yeah. You live in a democracy, though. Greatest democracy on earth. From military.

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What's better than this?

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What's. I. I can't imagine what would be better, except most of the places I've ever visited, people don't understand how Flock cameras can be abused. This deputy used Flock cameras to stalk a female who wasn't interested in him. He followed her, pulled her over, threatened to harass her boyfriend, etc. These cameras should be banned.

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Was he caught on Flock doing that?

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Probably. Probably.

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Larry Ellison was right. You'll be on your best behavior. The police will be on the best behavior.

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I mean, it looks like they got him. Police officer calls out Instagram influencer for messing with the Flock cameras. All right, let's. Let's take a look at this. I didn't do anything.

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3720 Waddy, if you ever come across

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a police officer who's in support of Flock cameras, just know that they use those for mass surveillance of the population. Yeah, and there is 18 documented cases of police officers using Flock cameras to stalk romantic interests, like ex girlfriends, current girlfriends, wives. So they actually use these cameras to benefit themselves in stocking cases.

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So there is a reason why some

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of them like them.

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No.

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Yeah, y. But, hey, there's one congressman, He's a Republican from out of, I believe, Pennsylvania. Good news. We have a congressman attempting to ban Flock cameras at the national level. Call 202-224-3121 and ask them to connect you to your representative. Yo, people are always asking, what can I do? Do it. Do it. So, this is Scott Perry. Flock and Flock, like cameras, track where law abiding people go, who they visit, and how they live, all without a warrant. I attempted to stop this with an amendment, which unfortunately failed recently in committee. That's not the end of this, though. The mass surveillance of the American people must end. Call your legislatures, legislators, stop the flock.

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Yeah, that should help.

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But hey, hey, listen, man, if you see someone buy a Flock camera. Shut the fuck up. You didn't see nothing. You didn't see no one. If you're snitching on them, you're the problem. Mind your own business. Real ones don't rat and don't Forget snitches get stitches.

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I mean, first of all, you don't have to put it in those terms. Like, I'm against it already. The vlog camera. There's no need to. To lay. Let's not make it like we need them. See if people. I don't know who's dumb enough to be like, no, we need them, but somebody is. And. And dumb commie talk ain't gonna help. What they understand is. This is the commie thing that you said you're afraid of. This is what they're doing as a communist. They're Fabian socialists. It's a British thing. It's like where you eat bugs while they. It's feudalism is all it is. So that's what it's for Anybody. What's gonna happen now, you're still gonna see push people pushing left and right, the last divide so that people don't understand what's above them. I mean, it's bottom line. That's why, I don't know, write your legislator. They're on the same team, and the ones that aren't are going to be removed.

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Well, this is one of the things that I really wanted to impress on people when I came back from China. Okay. All this technology that you're talking about, total surveillance and total tracking. Yeah, that exists. They have it already.

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Yeah, they have it there.

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Like. Like that's. That's how it is.

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And they say how bad they are for having it on American news. They'll go, we were surveilled the whole time.

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Right?

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And then I'll watch some scumbag go, well, we. Kevin Shark Tank will be a. Well, you want China to beat us in surveillance? In surveillance.

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Right?

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That's what happens.

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Right? Right.

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Yo, over there. Look, I mean, this was. This was my observation. This is what I said when I was there. And in spite of what you. What you might hear about the censorship there. I'm not saying there's no censorship. It's not amped up to 11 in quite the way that you would think it is.

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Not at all.

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I put out videos that were critical of China while I was in China.

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Yeah, they don't.

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I said when I was in China. Yeah. Westerners would not like this. Like, most Westerners would not be comfortable with this level of surveillance and tracking. Like, they just wouldn't. Look, you're doing on your phone, you're making your purchases on your phone. You're paying for the metro on your phone. Everything you do, you're doing on your phone. It's not that they're actively watching you, but if they need to track what you did that day, they can follow every step that you took that day. They are. Now, you want to make an argument against China for that? Well, they're bringing that here. Only it's not going to be in the hands of a government that is oriented around a theory of society, that their job is to provide for the people they govern. It's going to be in the hands of a government that is just basically a corrupt oligarchy working hand in hand with corporations to drive you back into feudalism. As you said.

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Well, China doesn't flood immigrants into their own country to lower the wages of all the Chinese. And so if you were. You know, I ran from the cops on my second day because the guy was with Andy Curtin, got in a. He works for Live Nation now, but they ran the kung fu comedy tour I was on. And he got an argument, verbal argument with the guy in the parking lot. There was like a little, you know, one of those divider things. We had to pay a toll I could understand. I don't speak Mandarin, so I'm just sitting there with my neck pillows. Oh, we gotta go right now.

C

Right, right.

B

The cops are coming. So I ran out my rolly bag and a neck pillow and we ran two blocks and he goes, we could stop. They're not gonna chase it. They were. Literally. Unless you stand there, the cops aren't gonna do. But if you have a dispute with a Chinese person in China, never run away because the cops will automatically take the Chinese person side and not your side because you're a low Y, AKA a foreigner. So see how that might make Chinese real loyal to their government as compared to here. Why they might be cooler with it.

C

Well, see, this is the thing. You got Westerners living there, and the ones I spoke to loved living there. Yeah, but they treat Westerners differently because it's like the neighbors, kids, to them, you're not their problem, you're not their responsibility. As long as you don't start, there won't be no, do your thing. Like. Like you can, like, you know, because

B

usually it's not like that, but if it is, like, occasionally when that happens, just get the hell out of there and don't try to tell the cops, like, just don't.

C

If you don't cause any problems. It's not what people think that, like, they're gonna arbitrarily detain you. I didn't even feel like I went through a lot of security checkpoints because I was traveling all the time. I. I didn't get treated differently than Chinese people. Like, they would. They would check my bag at the same rate. From my observation that they were checking Chinese people's bags, I didn't feel like,

B

to worry about you. Look there, the surveillance thing they have. What's going to happen here when we get something kind of like theirs?

C

You're going to be very different. Yes.

B

You're going to want it to be the Chinese system because their cops don't have guns. For example. Example. Professor Zhang was so funny. He goes, oh, you and Jimmy are brave to say what you say.

C

You know, I went out with him in Shanghai.

B

Oh, no kidding. But I'm like. I was resentful of. I'm like, what do you mean I'm brave. I'm saying I'm allowed to say whatever fucking want. I live in America. Why are you allowed to trash China? He goes, well, I'm not talk. I'm talking to foreigners, not in Mandarin. They don't care.

C

Right.

B

If I was like, challenging them in a serious way, yeah, they would come. But here we're going to have the wild west of oligarchs.

C

Exactly.

B

Challenging exactly their interest in any given moment. Right now it's Israel, but it could be anything. It'd be vaccines. And it's going to change from moment to moment depending on the politicians they fucking own here. This is a much worse place.

C

Exactly. They're going to build out the same surveillance infrastructure, but they're going to use it to crush you. They're not. They're not going to use it to. To make sure that you don't start a political uprising. That's really the purpose of that. Or to make sure. More to the point, all that surveillance in China, the sense that I got, it wasn't about controlling their people. Their people, for the most part, are pretty happy with the government. Like, if you think there's population, right. If you think there's a restive population of Chinese that wants our system, you're very wrong about that. The purpose of it is to keep the CIA out and to keep us from starting astroturf color revolutions in their country. Because American military bases, that's what the surveillance is about. It's not about the Chinese, because Chinese.

B

That's exactly right. And so the Tiananmen Square thing, which was a George Soros up, that's why he's not welcome there no more George Soros. And I love telling that to conservatives who think Tiananmen Square was like, what the Billy Joel Song put in their head. That was me. You know, I thought that, I thought the guy got run over by a tank and all that.

C

Yeah, well, no, so did I actually. I, I learned a lot from our own audience, man. My audience told me to look into Tiananmen Square because, you know, man, we're around the same age.

B

Yeah.

C

For, for, for us, Tiananmen Square was very formative in the way we were taught to think about China.

B

Yeah.

C

You know, the image of the guy in front of the tank, that was everywhere, Right? That was everywhere. That was very. That really shaped our understanding of China. And I had a lot of people tell me, look into Tiananmen Square. It's not what you were told. And once I looked into it and, and saw they were right, I say, you know what, man, I'm gonna shut up about China until I go there. And I did. I didn't talk about China for like two years. And then I went, now I talk about it again. And yeah, I mean, it's not, it's not what we're told it is, but when they bring that tech here, it already exists. They have it when they bring it here. You have no idea what kind of a nightmare this country is going to be.

B

It's going to be administered by, by, you know, Babylonian Talmudist billionaire who actually hate Jews even more than a supposed Jew hater hates Jews the way Aleister Crowley hated Christians. That's their level of hating of Jewish Jews. And that's your Larry Ellison's. And you're all these your bloom Bloomberg who's some kind of Mithraist or some crazy. These people are real crazy cultic scumbags. And you know, there's a reason Iran can make fun of us for being a bail worshiping cannibals here. You know what I mean?

C

Like, yeah, millions.

B

Because nothing unifies a people like knowing their opponents are bloodthirsty child eating and raping cannibals. That's, that's why millions.

C

Hey, that'll do it.

B

Yeah. I didn't like the Ayatollah, but you

C

know, I hear that's the plot of Nolan's new take on the Odyssey.

B

Is it?

C

Yeah. Oh, I'm actually, I'm going to see it next week. We're going to do a theater review.

B

What's the Achilles heel of Achilles?

C

Yeah, all right. That is that segment in the can. I'm gonna do some super chats so I don't have to wait till the

B

end, put on my commie outfit. I'm going full blown. Comedy.

C

Go commie, baby. Go commie. We got a lot of that on the show tonight. Vanette. Souls Baum. Hey, what's up, man? When Keith, when Keaton hosted Jimmy on Monday, I left a joke that he felt was in poor taste and he didn't read it. Russ in the voice of of Soup Nazi. No jokes for you. Great show. Thank you. Thank you, ma'.

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Am.

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Hussein Brazil Vote on dsc. DSA candidates for a change. We take that up with Chairman Nick. Jb. Nick and Russ are the perfect philosophical match. Thank you. That was a great conversation, man. Honestly, I got back.

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Yeah.

C

It's almost exactly two months since I got back to America. That is the person I have literally most wanted to interview since I saw that. I really wanted to get Nick's perspective on it. Mail me, Jose. Don't shut up and take my money. Dr. Curious Marxists don't bang on about false consciousness like the wind middle class had with homes only to be placated with asset price inflation exceeding real economic growth now they can't replicate. All right, George Gunnell. Should progressive YouTube channels offer union made merch in their online stores? Do any. You know what, man? It's a fair point. It's a good point. I. It would require a bit of research. I. I don't know how much merch Jimmy does for us. We don't really push it. I mean, God, if we sell a shirt a month, that would probably be a lot. So it's not something we've really focused on. Maybe we would if we actually sold more. But you know, for people like us, I think it would be difficult because you have these things like Cafe Press where you can get them to make it by the shirt when you get an order. So especially if you're like us and you don't sell a lot of orders to try to get a union shop, they probably have a minimum order requirement that almost wouldn't be worth it. So I don't know. So basically, I don't know if there's a unionized version of Cafe Press. It would have to be something like that for it to even make financial sense to offer it. Or you would just be buying shirts. Basically. You could give them away, but you're not going to be able to to make up what you spent on them.

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You gotta charge a lot with curb shirts came out. They were pretty good and they were like, well, well.

C

But you're using one of those, right, that just prints it when you get an order.

B

Order my.

C

Yeah, you're not, you're not Ordering like

B

Mark, my nephew, assistant, works at a print shop, so he was able to get them and the, the quality of the shirt was pretty good. And you know.

C

I see, I see. So you got a workaround. But basically what you're. If you're really going to look for a union, a union label on a garment there, I don't think they're gonna make it for you to order. They're gonna want you to order like a thousand or something. It just doesn't make any sense. Spike Spiegel just now finding out that Armie Hammer is rebuking his recent comeback film, Citizen Vigilante.

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Yeah, he is.

C

Says it's hateful and disgusting. Says he was blinded by the final cut. Is that true?

B

He says it's the most. I mean, he must have said that. It's the most shameful thing he's ever been a part of.

C

Are you serious? And that. And that includes eating a kidney.

B

But did he eat a kidney or you just talked about it?

C

No, he just fantasized about it.

B

I mean, looking back now, he's one of the nicest rich people that ever lived, isn't he? He only talked about it via text.

C

Wow.

B

You know, I'm sure his grandpa actually had the real thing, you know, he probably did.

C

He probably did. Yeah. Uwe bowl is probably Shaisa. Shaisa. Finally my sheep comes in and this cannibal has to turn on the franchise.

B

He's not like that. I think he got his money from

C

whatever was already planning part two. Yeah, well, they was already sending out AI. Well, now they're just gonna cast another guy. It's just gonna be like.

B

It's gonna make real change. That movie first. That movie's gonna make real change in. In the. In Europe. And then they make a part.

C

Oh yeah, yeah. Newbie of Death. If you read this, you're gay. Lmao.

B

Well, I just heard it now.

C

I guess that makes me gay.

B

I just heard it and I got boned up.

C

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

B

It's wrong how I'm thinking.

C

Yeah.

B

Hard.

C

Oh, two. See what you did? See what you did. It's like. It's like you gave us Bud Lights. We just constantly turned gay.

B

Yeah, that's one of. My friend Shane Gillis is gay now because of Bud.

C

Yeah, Bud Light.

B

I tell him every time I see him.

C

What did it heart o2. How do socialists and you view the Mennonites and Amish way of doing things? And do you incorporate any of it? I mean, you're.

B

You're human trafficking.

D

Yeah.

C

Oh, come on. The Mennonites?

B

Yes. They just.

C

They just make jam.

B

Yeah. Well, look, remember, first of all, Mennonite's different than Amish. But remember that movie? Worst title movie ever. Women talking. And it's about an interesting topic. Even though the title. Again, the worst title of a movie, it's about these Mennonite women in a colony in South America. I want to say Chile or Peru. Probably Chile. And the men were gas. They were running like a hose in the women's windows and gassing them like how the Russians did with that hostage situation and then sexually assaulting them. And they're telling him a demon must have done it in the night. Yeah. And the movie is terrible, by the way, but that story is real interesting because it sounds like alien abduction, but low tech Amish version of it, don't it?

C

I've got. I've got a soft spot for the Amish because they pulled me out of a rollover once.

B

Well, they're very strong.

C

I was literally in a rollover on a farm.

B

What's a roll? Really?

C

Yeah. Freaking truck. And, and, and you want. You know what really gives me a soft spot for the Amish?

B

What?

C

The only thing that saved my life was this, was a flatbed.

A

Okay?

C

And. And I wasn't driving. My boss at the time, when I was driving a horse and carriage, he was driving. That's why we were down there, to replace the carriage. Because the Amish are the only ones who make that shit in the modern world. So that's why we're down there. And the. This idiot fell asleep at the wheel. We went right through the metal divider, off a hill, flipped over in the air, landed upside down, slid about 40ft. The only reason I'm here to tell the tale is because about a month before this accident, they had had the Amish build a wood rail onto the flatbed. And that Amish craftsmanship was so good that didn't even splinter when there's a fine rail upside down. And then they came and rescued me. They pulled people, y'. All. There was gasoline pouring into the cab. They came and pulled me out.

B

Yeah, they're mighty Amish. But look, the. The bottom line is all those. They've had the singularity, the thing they talk about here, the technological singularity, right where Ray Kurzweil would always talk about Epstein alone. They had that back in the day. It was called buttons. Almost destroyed their entire way of life.

C

That's it. Almost destroyed their civilization. All right, let me finish off this Block Gira fired Furrider, Giraffe rider. I knew I was missing something there. CNBC dude said wage growth slowed. And that's helpful? Yeah, it's helpful to you, you cunt. Made me chuckle. As soon as wages grew, we had massive inflation. All of a sudden. CB Punk. Glad Jimmy has you and Keaton doing the vacation spots. That's how I was introduced to you guys years ago. And DD is killer. No filler. Best discourse and analysis. Travel and shuffle. Also great stuff. Courage. Oh, thanks, man. You're watching the solo channels. Thank you, man. It's like. It's like having a solo album while you're still in the band. All right, so let's move on. This is Russell Dobular filling in for Jimmy Dore with Mr. Kurt's. Kurt Metzger.

B

Yeah, and hardcore communist and now Islamist. I'm actually radical Islam communist like a mum Davi, but not a phony like him.

C

But are you a race communist?

B

I don't know what that is. I gotta look more into it. What is it?

C

I don't know. They keep accusing people of it, of being a race of race communism.

B

So that's like national socialism, AKA Nazism. Right.

C

I mean, I mean, I think the way they mean it is people, you know, they're conflating two things. They're taking the people who are very woke who are into identity politics and they're calling it communists, which.

B

Who is the Zionist?

C

No, no, no, the James Lindsay's.

D

Those.

B

Well, he's a Zionist show. He works for that Michael o' Fallon guy.

C

Yeah, these are the ones who throw that around.

B

Yeah, closet gay guy. Real piece of James Lindsay. That's why he pushes what he pushes. He worked for some fat billionaire who I'm guessing's all. They're always gay. I don't know why. I don't care if they're gay, but they always are. And they push some conservative right wing nonsense just like that. Who's the classic one that was always on TV arguing with Gore Vidal? Buckley at best.

C

Well, this is what I saw when I went to. When I called forever after the douchebag dialogues, the dissident dialogues. Honestly, man, I went in there very sympathetic to the intellectual dark web crowd and I, I walked out disgusted because I realized it was a front for the deep state. Yeah, all, all, all of their, all of their foreign policy views happen to line up with Anthony Blinken's like, oh, all of them were just State department talking points. They had a whole exhibit about Uyghur slavery. Everything was about Iran, China. And the thing that was really eye opening was this is when the student protests were erupting around Gaza. And you guys are supposed to be the free speech defenders, right? You got freaking Constantine Cassin there and his partner, I always forget his partner's name. Worthington Chatterton, all these guys, Richard Dawkins, who I humiliated on camera, all of them are horrified at these student protests. I thought you guys are defending Western tradition of debate and free speech now. That's, that's when I saw this is all a front. There's all they're using, the cultural resentment, some of which is valid to sheepdog people into supporting deep state foreign policy.

B

Well, the same billionaires funded that part. That's the thing. The same people that fund the right were the ones pushing the gender affirming care. That's a Pritzker family, the big Zionists, aren't they? That Pritzker family, I believe, if I'm not mistaken, they're big Z. Yeah. So it's all the same. Same, all of it.

C

All right, so speaking of enormous disappointing grifters, RFK here, here is his big, big announcement of how they're gonna rein in all of these chemicals.

B

Eventually, its communities were exposed to these chemicals without transparency or accountability. Years ago, beginning the of in 2001, I worked with families in Ohio and West Virginia whose drinking water had been contaminated by PFAS contaminants released into their communities. That case helped expose the scale of this problem nationally and resulted in a $671 million settlement for affected residents. Mark Ruffalo later made a movie of that lawsuit called Dark Waters and it was one of the first vehicles. I wish the PFAS problem became known to the American people. And I've worked also on many other PFAS cases as a president of the Borderkeeper alliance. We had PFAS case on the Tennessee river, the Alabama, all over the country. And many of those were the milestone cases that really brought PFAS attention to the American public.

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Well, you would think this guy's really going to crack down on those chemicals in our water and fish food from more Perfect Union. The Trump administration approved three new forever chemical based pesticides last week for use on food crops, including corn and soybeans, the most widely grown crops in the country, as well as wheat, kiwi oats, peas, broccoli and coffee. These new chemicals, dude, you know, sometimes you run into some pronunciation issues in this gig. This is going to be a rough 1. Difflu, Fenicin, Epi, Refenasil, Trifluxazin, have all been quietly approved without a standard press release. Trump approved other PFAS based pesticide Cyclo, Butra, FL Floram and Isocycloserum earlier this year and the first food use of chlormequat, chlormaquat which is already found in 90% of Americans blood. That's awesome huh? An EPA scientist wrote in the approval documents that at least one of these new PFAS based pesticides and is suggestive evidence of carcinogenic potential. Nothing to see here folks. These approvals come just days after the Supreme Court sided with chemical maker Bayer and the Trump administration in limiting Americans ability to sue pesticide companies for harms linked to pesticides. Now Americans will have a harder time holding companies accountable for the cancer causing effects of their pesticides. From common dreams this is the PFAS presidency Trump EPA Approves Another Forever Chemical Pesticide Environmental and public health advocates on Wednesday ripped the U.S. environmental Protection Agency's fifth approval of a forever chemical pesticide during the current term of President Donald Trump, who campaigned on a promise to make America healthy again.

B

Great.

C

Despite that pledge, Trump's second administration, much like his first, has served the pesticide industry in various ways, including by putting out a MAHA report that echoes industry talking points, installing a former industry lobbyist in a key EPA post, backing Bear owned Monsanto over cancer patients at the U.S. supreme Court and issuing an executive order that mandates the production of glyphosate under Trump. The EPA has also approved or re approved various controversial pesticides, from atrazine and decamba to triflutamoxazin, which was gotta have it, you can't have a hamburger without that, which was approved late Tuesday. Like die flu Fenican and epirofenacil, which were authorized by the EPA earlier Tuesday, as well as Cyclobutra Floram and Isocyclo serum, which got a green light from the agency last November. Trifluid amoxicin is what some scientists and campaigners call a forever chemical pesticide.

B

Just some of them.

C

PFAs, which have been used in not only pesticides but also fabrics, firefighting foam, nonstick cookware and other household products, are widely known as forever chemicals because they don't break down naturally. They're also linked to a range of health issues, including various cancers. This is p the PFAS presidency brought to you by Donald Trump and EPA Administrator Lee Zeldin, Nathan Donley, environmental health science director at the center for Biological Diversity, declared Wednesday. As with his Tuesday critique of the Trump EPA approving Diflu Phenican and EPI Riffenicil. I swear to God, when I was reading these slides, I thought about not doing the piece because of this. Donnelly pointed to the Supreme Court's rank recent ruling in favor of Trump backed Bear rather than the thousands of Americans who argue that Monsanto's glyphosate based weed killer roundup caused their cancer. Quote.

B

Wait, Bayer owns Monsanto?

C

Yes, apparently.

B

Oh, so gr. What is it? GR Farbin. IG Farbin. The Nazi pharmaceutical company. That's Bayer. That's IG Farben is Bayer, right? Oh, you remember the. The cyanide and the Tylenol?

C

Oh, yeah, yeah, I remember that.

B

Back in the day, my buddy Andy Hutton, I think he's right, he put it together. That was probably corporate sabotage from IG Farbin because Bayer Aspen was losing out market share at that time. Now, Tylenol is poisoned, by the way, Everybody, it's been poisoned. Anybody that knows anything knows it is. Remember those dumb pregnant women drinking Tylenol because RFK said might cause autism? It's always been poison.

C

Yeah.

B

So one poisoner poison the other guy's poison. Oh, and now Trump's. Of course Trump's backing him. And of course they run glycerophage, so. That's enough.

C

Great, great. Greatest bait and switch in the history of politics. Prove me wrong.

B

I've never seen a real. Yo. I tell people it's the biggest rug pull I've ever seen. They all don't know what I'm talking. Now, keep in mind, a lot of times I'm talking to comics or people who aren't particularly hit by the utter betrayal of everything Trump said he was going to do. So it's a little harder to admit. You know, it kind of sucks trying to admit it to regular people. They get it, you know?

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Right. Waiting to open the floodgates on new pesticide approvals until after the Supreme Court granted immunity to pesticide companies takes a special kind of callousness, he said. Already, chlormaquat is found in the urine of 90% of Americans, thought to come mostly from residues on imported foods where the pesticide has been used. The center for Biological Diversity noted Wednesday. Wait, like. Like freeze? Yeah. Yeah.

B

Should I not be drinking my urine in the morning as it was recommended?

C

No, man.

B

No man poison in it.

C

You got to just stick to the coffee, Kurt. Like freeze. The group warned that approval of its use on US Wheat and oats ensures that exposure to the US population will increase dramatically. This is Nathan Donnelly. These pesticide approvals will outlast anything else that Trump has done because they are forever decisions. Releasing forever chemicals is a forever decision because there's no going back. The lasting damage is cemented once that pesticide is applied. Tyler Childress. It's difficult to wrap my mind around the fact that Trump was already a billionaire when he sold out the health of the whole country to bear for a measly $1 million donation to his inaugural fund. Truly, uniquely evil.

B

Well, that and not revealing the stuff he did with Epstein. I mean, don't think it's just that there's an overall plan here, guys. It's not just greed. They're doing it on purpose.

C

And from our friend Blakely. Weird how quiet the Maha movement has been as Trump takes a chainsaw to the very little environmental food protections we had. Yeah, yeah. I mean, Kurt, you've traveled around, you know, man, when you eat, you go to Italy and you eat pasta, it's weird. You don't feel like you got hit with a shovel.

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Well, I never went to Italy, but I will say in China, of all places, I had nothing but very high quality American food. In fact, the only Chinese food I got was hot pot. I couldn't even find Chinese food otherwise. It was all like really high end American dishes everywhere. Shanghai, all hotels, right?

C

Yeah, I mean, they have it, but the things that we put in our food as it is, is illegal in a lot of the world. Like, you can't even put those things into food.

B

Why now? Why would we have it be legal here and the rest of the world? Is it because the rest of the world is gay? I don't, I'm trying to figure it out. It can't be because we're wrong and Satanists run the country, right? It can't be that.

C

I mean, I mean, honestly, this is what has made me turn on the basic premises of capitalism. The incentives are all in the wrong places. I, I, I'm always willing to change my mind based on evidence. You know, when we, when we were kids, if you were of, frankly, the, the class of people we're a part of racially, in terms of sex, the country was pretty fucking good. I mean, you could legitimately argue back then. If you can't get ahead, it's because you're lazy. If you were a white dude in good health, like, you could legitimately be like, yo, man, there are opportunities.

B

Well, that's why the CIA, the great, great defenders of our country, the CIA brought in all that, that they brought in on purpose. Because it's a eugenic thing. The way you just described it back then. If you couldn't make it, you were lazy. They're like let's up the dinosaur style environment and see who really survives and what we. They're all hardcore eugenicists. That's why Bayer's still around. Those are all these Nazi companies. They're eugenics at their core.

C

I, I, I think that the basic theory that Marx had was proven to be true and that that has turned my mind, that's changed my mind on

B

a lot of oh the capitalism.

C

Well the capitalism in the end will eat itself. Like I think that's what happened. I think we caught the tail end of the New Deal legacy. So things were still pretty good. And over the course of our lifetimes, gradually we've seen the, that Mark's prediction come true. And he said the last thing, when they run out of other things to loot, that they would loot would be the Treasury. The, the idea that your democracy is not going to be able to maintain itself in the face of accumulated capital, that's able to buy your courts as we see with this Supreme Court decision, that's able to buy your politician. So once you see that you have to be open to the idea. Well maybe the communists are right, you know and that, that was part of why I wanted to go over there.

B

The same people that came up with the Nazis came up with the communists, the all of them and get tragedy and hope if anybody wants. This is not like I believe in crazy, but I'm, this is just history. What I'm talking about. Carol Quigley, Bill Clinton's mentor at Georgetown. My rabbi Richard Groves sent me that book and wow, it lays out your rabbi. Well, I call him my rabbi. I'm ambitious. I'm like Michael Stipe. Like I'm ambivalent about my Judaism. Maybe I am. I don't know how he is about being gay. I'm like, who am I Jewish? Anyway, Woodrow Wilson was the puppet president who got us back onto the fold of the Anglo. So it's the Anglo American world empire. That's the NATO thing. All these famous people you're supposed to respect are part of it. H.G. wells, go look on YouTube for free. 1938 things to come. It's all about a techno fascist state run after a nuclear war. All these knew capitalism. Was that from the. So it's called the American experiment because this is a stepping stone on the way back to the, I don't know, Atlantean city states or Whatever the. These freaks want. But it's all in that book. And Carol Quigley got censored heavily and had no. He was on board with what they were doing. He loved this idea. He didn't know. They didn't want him to really write all it. Sell a book about it. And at the end he realized, oh, this is like, maybe they didn't like me telling about it. But the Anglo American world power. The whole goal has been to run the whole world. So that's why they're doing the great game. And that goes back to Cecil Rhodes, the father of apartheid. He's the guy who started the Cecil Rhodes Roundtables based on the Jesuits and the Illumina, the Bavarian Illuminati. And that's why we have a deep state. That's the birth of the deep state right there. For that we know that Cecil Rhodes roundtable later is called Lord Milner's Kindergarten. There were always round tables. And they. They basically conspired to get America back in the fold. And they conspired to. To with. They're all Fabian socialists and their coat of arms is a wolf in sheep's clothing. And Fabian socialists were. Of course, we're a different species than you. We're like the God species. And you were going to be like, you know, share everything equally and be almost like animals. So that's why they pump drugs into the black community, just like black people said. And I was like, shut up. No, they were right. They were doing it on purpose because they genuinely believe in this dialectic. They love it. They love.

C

Seems to me they're trying to establish a techno feudal order.

B

That's what they.

C

That's the way to put it. We had. Yeah, we had like. We had this very unusual window of a middle class. That's something that hasn't generally existed on that scale or it literally hasn't existed on that scale throughout history. You've had. You've had some form of it in different societies. Not on that scale. Not where you had this enormous middle class.

B

Yeah.

C

And they're gradually taking that back. And it always reminds me, right. Remember the 1980 Campy Flash Gordon movie? Oh, yeah, right.

B

Where.

C

Where he said. He says to Flash Gordon what he's going to do with the earth. And he said, they won't be quite like the humans, you remember, they'll be more tractable.

B

They did that. That happened. They've done that.

D

Well, that.

C

They haven't quite gotten there yet. That's why you got people cutting down the flock cameras. But they they want a future where people don't even remember that they had any kind of freedom.

B

We're gonna be there.

C

Any kind of material.

B

It's done. Generation Alpha. Generation Alpha is not gonna expect. They're gonna be them wef people. They're not gonna expect a glass of water. Dude. They've already got it done. So they kept the millennials who truly got.

C

Well they're kind. They're kind of half illiterate and then

B

their kids are half ill.

C

So you're really going back to back Rousseau's noble savage.

B

Rousseau was part of the. This too. They. And. And this is. If you really read up on it. The people in those secret societies like your Macron Order of the Sacred Hermaphrodite that that is in. It's a free Masonic thing. Oh. Carl Jung, one of Jimmy's favorites. But I don't like that because he was actually a low level priest in a Dionysian cult. So I don't know if you ever heard these scholars try to equate Jesus to Dionysus, but because one die. Yeah. Jesus thing wasn't to get drunk and attack children. I know it was. Wasn't. I know that was not the future.

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Okay.

B

It's been a while since I read it, but I know that wasn't it. And they want people. It's in the hunt in Fear and Loathing Las Vegas. Hugh makes a beast of him.

C

Maybe the Gnostic version.

B

It's Gnostic and that's what Jung was into. So the. It's a catch all phrase in Austin.

A

But.

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But the thing of, you know, in. In Fear and Loathing who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man.

C

Right. Yeah.

B

That's what the secret societies think the perfect state of humans is. So when you read the HUL's time traveler story with the people underground that eat the pretty people above ground. That's what happened. It's now they did it. Now they have a bunch of underground. It was in the 50s. They had a underground base race because the nukes. And what do you think they do under there? All kinds of crazy.

C

All right, so that is. We're gonna move on to some super chats and then we're going to do our final segment. Tyler Ryan Robinson.

B

Oh, guilty. I understand Candace Owens is spiraling and yeah, he's obviously guilty. I'll just talk to somebody who thinks he's guilty.

C

Obviously guilty. Happy donut farts. All right. Nice.

B

If you can't look at Erica and see somebody lying. I mean I don't know how to explain.

C

I, I mean, I see a dangerous psychopath when I see her.

B

How in the hell do you not see that?

C

Right? Happy donut farts. Police departments are not the ones who have access, but they're also available to homeowners, so are not the only ones. I think you meant they're also available to homeowner associations and businesses to track vehicle movements. Yep. Scary stuff, man. Scooby, if you think immigrants are driving your wages down rather than monetary policy, you might be Kurt. Oh, taking a shot.

B

What? A good shot. You got it. Me? Monetary policy does not revolve around the economy and employment. Am I way off on that? I, I apologize.

C

I, I, I have long said this. I mean, yeah, there's a monetary policy element. I have long said. Yeah.

B

What does that mean?

C

I, I, When Biden was president, I always said the idea that we have the military, we have and we can't control the border is absurd on the face of it. Why would you say that? So at that point, they want it. I believed it was to destabilize the labor market and to suppress unions.

B

If it doesn't do that,

C

doesn't mean the immigrants are evil.

B

I would go do it if I had to.

C

Of course you would. Yeah, yeah. Like, why did they do that? Yeah, I believe that.

B

Look, if it didn't lower the wages, they wouldn't flood us with immigrants. They're not just drinking, of course. They're also labor.

C

Of course. If there's the idea that these evil scumbags in this one area care about people is ridiculous.

B

Yeah.

C

The idea that for humanitarian reasons these rapacious scumbags are going to let people come into the country, it's ridiculous. The fact that they try to sell you that tells you right there that's not the reason. They don't care about bombing these same exact people. They don't care about destroying their countries, they don't care about cooing their democratically elected leaders, but all of a sudden they care about their prosperity when it comes to bringing them into the country where they're trying to destabilize labor. Yeah. Come on.

B

Why are they going after Cesar Chavez now?

C

Right.

B

Well, all this stuff you got to worry about. The Epstein files came out. But you're going to tell me these terrible things about him now, right? Why? What will that do? Oh, unions are bad. That's what it'll do.

C

Spike. Spiegel. Russ, you hung out with Professor Zhang. Where's the video pics? Or it didn't happen I posted a pic to my ex account, man. Go check out my ex accounts at Russell Dobular. I did post a pic of it. He was very nice. He reached out to me. He was following my social media. I love that he saw that I was in Shanghai. He was really. He took me out for. For some duck. We had a very nice conversation. What was funny was at that point in the trip, I was on a group tour and one of the ladies on the group tour was watching his videos and she brought him up and I was like, oh, I'm having dinner with him tonight. She was like, really? It's like, yeah. Nina Katz. See, the richer these get, the more paranoid they get of losing their money. Surveillance here. You're absolutely right, man. They're never. They're never gonna be satisfied. All right, so let's get into our final segment. This is Russell Dobular filling in for Jimmy Dore with my wingman here, Kurt Tommy, Communist Kurt. Now I'm full commie Kurt.

B

It's disgusting. And I'm radically Islamic as well.

C

They twisted him. They twisted his mind out there and

B

it didn't take long. It touched a little bit of indoctrination.

C

Yeah, that's it. I was radical from watching Chairman Nick. Tonight, Charlie Kirk, murder suspect Tyler Robinson's week long preliminary hearing underway. The brief Tyler Robinson, Utah man accused of assassinating Turning Point USA founder Charlie Kirk, returned to court Monday for a week long preliminary hearing. The hearing will determine whether prosecutors have enough evidence to move the case toward trial. Kirk was speaking to a crowd of about 3,000 people on September 10th at Utah Valley University in Orem when investigators say Robinson fired a single shot from a building about 140 yards away, striking Kirk, 31, and killing him. So on the first day of testimony, former UVU officer Christopher Bagley testified that he witnessed the shooting and later located an apparent sniper pad on a nearby gravel rooftop. He described impressions in the gravel consistent with someone lying prone, with markings suggesting elbows, knees and feet, offering a clear sight line to Kirk's position. Agent David Hull of the Utah Department of Public Safety also testified detailing the investigation. We use the term investigation loosely. Robinson reportedly laughed at points during the proceedings. Kirk's widow, Erica Kirk attended, as did Donald Trump Jr. The defense continues challenging the strength of circumstantial and forensic links. The hearing, expected to run through approximately July 10th and 11th, includes more more witness testimony, digital records and forensics. Experts note prosecutors face a relatively low bar for probable cause and many believe the case will proceed to trial. All right, so here's Here's a video of what a law enforcement officer is testifying. Tyler Robinson walking with a limp on UVU campus on the day of Charlie Kirk's murder, shortly before the assassination. It's been suggested he's walking with the limp because of a possible gun or gun part in his pants. All right, so. So I'm gonna. I'm gonna give you a spoiler alert here, folks. The limp is completely inconsistent across the video, as you will see.

B

Oh, also, he didn't die by that gun, so why are you bothering?

C

Yeah, so watch.

B

The one thing we know is that gun didn't do it.

C

All right, so.

B

Okay.

C

Having issues. Okay, there he is.

B

It looks like me walking upstairs. Actually.

C

There's the left. Now he. He is bending the leg. He's bending the knee.

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And then he's.

C

And then he walks fine when he gets to the landing. And now he switched to the right leg, Mr. Robinson. He switched to the right leg.

B

Were they telling him to look like you? I don't understand.

C

And look, now he's not limping at all.

B

Well, wow. Where does he go?

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Like. Like that's evidence.

B

Are you saying Jeremy from the quarter and didn't do his due diligence?

C

Well, no, he's too busy watching a bull his wife.

B

Shout out to keno casino structure.

C

All right, all right. So. So look, he's not even limping. When he's at the bottom, there's no limp.

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Right.

C

And now. Now he remembers he's supposed to limp in front of the camera. That's my interpretation, obviously, but he's not limping. And then. And he's limping, but he's not even doing it. Well, because he's still bending the knee. And now he switches legs. Yeah, he starts with the left, and then it's the right.

B

We're able to track. Mr. You're spiraling here.

C

Wow. I'm spiraling. Yeah. And now he's not limping at all when he gets down into the parking.

B

So when he leaves the parking structure, where. Where does he go?

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He.

C

He comes up around Campus Drive. As you can see on the video here, there is a. Okay and wokeness there. Somebody's getting paid. Bad day for the. Tyler Robinson was not on campus that day. Retards who.

B

I don't know what that means. And I. I never said he was on campus. Never heard anybody say. I know the gun couldn't have killed Charlie Kirk, though. There's no way that rifle did it. Even if it could shoot, which it couldn't. That was not 30 odd. Six.

C

Yeah, yeah.

B

I mean, it's just.

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It's just amazing how obvious it is these people are told what to say and what propaganda to pump out.

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I'm gonna text battle with my friend right now because she's in a. Just in a hurry to just say Israel's good for I. I don't understand presumably Christian reasons, but it makes no sense doctrinally.

C

I don't know, man. Pretty much everyone who thought that way has cut off all contact with me.

B

You're worse than me because you're Jewish. That you're worse than me.

C

Oh, yeah, well, they call me a capo because that's.

B

You know, it's funny.

C

You know, that's what they called the. The ones who would help the Nazis.

B

Like George Soros on October 7th.

C

Yeah.

B

Yeah.

C

Southern Syndicate. The same eyes, nose, chin. Definitely the same person. I'm willing to ad I was mistaken. As you can see, there's no face in that video. No face in that video. And friend of show, Jimmy Dore, it's the same guy. How was that?

B

Wow. The truth.

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Pat C. Tyler Robinson lost track of which leg was limping. Yeah, we showed it to you three times, man. Three times. He. He's not limping. And then he's limping with the left, and then he's limping with the right, and then he's not limping again. Darn it. Was it the left or right leg? Oh, I messed it up. Welcome to the show Trial of show trials. Proof right in this video. Yep.

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Yep.

C

Stu Peters new pics from the excavation of Charlie's crime scene show that they really did remove 10 plus inches of earth before paving it over. Total job to prevent anyone from inspecting the soil beneath Charlie's feet. I'm sorry, how much more obvious could you be? This is one of the most important crime scenes in the country. Who would do that unless you're trying to cover it up.

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A bunch of bag Utah Mormons in league with a bunch of other scumbags. And by the way, Charlie getting hit in the neck with what I think is a radio. Just like the Lebanon pager thing that all the scumb. Your Michael Rappaport scumbags thought was real funny where they blew up that little girl's face and some guy's dick. Yeah, who had nothing to do with it. Clearly that's what. You know, I had a bad joke that. Because I like to tell these zoomer kids that we're bringing back the draft and they're going for sure and not to try to queer Their way out of it, like they always try to do. You know, they try to queer their way out of all life's problems. And I said, now that we. We knew this day was coming ever since we found out the Jews can blow up our vapes with a text message. That's a dumb joke. It's a very stupid joke. It's like a throwaway thing on the way to another joke.

C

Yeah.

B

After the show, a drunk guy comes up to me to tell me his cousin is in Mossad. He goes, dude, that's hilarious. You said that they've been doing that since 2007. Blowing up people's vapes. He's telling to me, not mad, like that's a. He didn't know I knew about it. Isn't that crazy?

C

Wow. Wow. True. Sometimes I didn't know. Sometimes you stumble on the truth. All right, so James Lee here picked up something else they mentioned here about. About him being in a car with three guys with a ball guy, driver.

B

Yeah.

C

I believe that's Tyler Robinson.

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All right.

B

Where does he go from there?

C

He heads out of the parking garage on foot into the campus, and actually goes to the quad area of the campus. At that time, he makes contact with some representatives from tpusa. I'm sorry, what? Tyler Robinson was making contact with representatives from TP usa. I don't know. Might be kind of relevant to figure out who. Now, interestingly, an eyewitness testimony confirmed by

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the same agent in court claimed that Tyler Robinson was seen driving around in a vehicle with a bald man and three others.

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Okay, take a listen.

C

I remember reading the report at some point, yes. And do you remember that the Nobles told you that the driver of the vehicle was bald? I. I do remember that being in the report, yes. And you didn't mention that today when you were talking about that ring camera, did you? I did not. And did they also tell you there were three other people in the car? Yes, I believe they. They thought that was the case. A bald man and three others. This is by no means an allegation.

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I'm not insinuating any.

C

Anything other than here is a bald man with three other people. If you know, you know. Yeah. Careful. These people are very litigious. James, be careful.

B

I think that McCoy scumbag, his father, you know, so. Pastor Rob McCoy. His dad, Roy McCoy, was the head of scops for the Navy. Did you know that?

C

Really? No, I didn't.

B

Yeah. Yeah.

C

When you dig in, when you dig into these people, you very often find. Find those connections, all of them Much

B

like the whole 60s was connected to Navy and Air Force. And they're all. We don't have anything organic here at all. Okay, if it is, it's co opted.

C

Stu Peters, the defense. Wasn't there also another bullet on a different building? Yes. Was that considered a scene worth preserving? It was not. Again, Jimmy can't make this stuff up. All right, so let's. Let's hear that. I mean, honestly, it's crazy that anyone thinks that this is legit. Do we have. Oh, yeah, we have that video down there. All right, here we go. Chaining of what the known scenes were. In other words, the area where there might potentially be evidence that you needed to process. I know that the amphitheater area was. Was cordoned off and managed as best it could with the. With the number of people that were there. I was also made aware that there was a rooftop area that had been secured and also an area off of the side of that building that had been secured by an officer.

B

And that building was the LOSI building.

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Correct.

C

Wasn't there also a bullet found on another building? I believe an unfired bullet had been found on another building at some point during my time there on September 10th. Which building was that, sir?

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I don't remember.

C

Was that considered a scene that was worth preserving? It was not. My recollection is that that was accounted for as an ejected cartridge from an officer who had cycled his rifle. Okay, I thought you said it was a unfired bullet, and now you're saying it was a cartridge.

D

When.

C

When a weapon is cleared, an officer would make his rifle ready, which would chamber around.

B

Oh, I got you.

C

My understanding was that that's how that was accounted for. So a officer claimed that bullet belonged to him or her. That's my recollection is that that that was how it was accounted for.

B

What? And when.

C

When was that accounted for? Wait, I don't know specifically. Do you remember what type of bullet that was? I don't. Was it a 30 odd six? Do you remember?

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I don't.

C

Okay. Do you know where that bullet. Bullet is now?

B

I don't.

C

Okay. Yeah. Now that's how they always handle bullet casings found in a high profile, high stakes murder case.

B

Why would it be f. So he didn't fire a shot? I don't understand.

C

Right. Why would. Why was he emptying the chamber if he didn't fire a shot, why was he clearing the chamber? Yeah, no, I mean this whole thing, it's as you. As you would expect from this crew, this administration this. This is such a bad cover up. I feel insulted as an American. This is the j. The JFK assassination. It is not.

B

Well, that wasn't good either. Honestly, none of these, if you go back and look at them, stand up to any scrutiny.

C

I. I guess so. I guess so. If we. Yeah, yeah.

B

Hey, how about how E. Howard Hunt. They arrested three hobos, and one of them's E. Howard Hunt, and the other two are CIA as well. What?

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Right.

B

Why?

C

Right. Right. Yeah.

B

What, like finding a passport of the. The guy who flew the plane in 9 11.

C

And this is back in the JFK assassination days. That's why it. It led to so much speculation. That was at a time when people believed in the government and they didn't believe that. So, yeah, point taken.

B

We invented conspiracy theory to discredit people who don't trust the government.

C

Right. So Candace pointed this out. Breaking news. Ben Shapiro just confessed on his show. Charlie was being transported to the hospital and bleeding out to death. His security was on the phone with Charlie's security, receiving updates. I knew it. I knew it. I knew it. All right, let's. Let's see what Ben let slip here.

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I remember where I was when all this was happening.

C

I was in Los Angeles. I had sort of a breakfast slash lunch meeting with somebody, and my.

B

I got the news that Charlie had been shot. And my security was on the phone with Charlie security because nobody knew what the hell was going on while Charlie was still in the back of the car.

C

And we were sort of getting updates along the way. At 2:40pm okay, so Candace is a little further. In her text, someone explained to me why during the minutes while Charlie was dying in the backseat of the car, Charlie security team was providing updates to Ben Shapiro's team rather than focusing entirely on saving Charlie's life and finding the killer. I will remind you all that Brian Harpole, one of the security members who was in that car en route to the hospital, is currently suing me and is using Ben Shapiro's lawyer, who has sued me relentlessly on Ben's behalf for the last three years. Ben Shapiro hated Charlie. Everyone knew that. So why the hell was this demon receiving updates in the mere minutes after Charlie was hit en route to the hospital? Who on Charlie's security team betrayed him in this way?

B

Was it why?

C

I mean, or owned by one? Why didn't Ben mention this before today? That he was receiving status updates while Charlie was bleeding out? I clocked that Ben was too invested in this, his energy on stage, demanding that Megyn Kelly call Me evil. And his overprotective stance on Erica always registered to me as deeply nervous. Ben Shapiro is satanic. Everything in my soul tells me he worships Satan. Literally. Look at his demeanor in this clip. We need to find out exactly who on Charlie's team betrayed him by providing immediate updates to this parasite.

B

He's a bod. So, yeah, say this Chabad. Chabad's not good. They're bad. They're real. They intel, you know?

C

You know what, Kurt? You just reminded me, man. Ever since I did that tunnel segment, I still get people who come over to do dissidents who are like, yeah, checking on those tunnels. This is what I'm gonna say, man. That's what I'm gonna say. It just took more. I'm gonna say, man. I was just gonna say, man, they just found 72 girls at a tunnel with the Chabad. And I called up Keaton. I said, you know, man, next time I'm on Jimmy's, I might have to apologize.

B

It doesn't. Look, look. But look, I was in New York too, man. We all thought that that sewer juice was a crypto, some kind of cryptid. Yeah, man, like Bigfoot.

C

Yeah, exactly.

B

We haven't seen Bigfoot. We have found the ninja Turtle juice.

C

It was like Bigfoot with Pay us.

B

My theory was it was a Porky situation. They were trying to look through a hole at the mikvah.

C

Listen, this is all I'm gonna say, man. Yeah, There's a lot of kids getting pulled out of these tunnels. I. I don't. It seems like every other week they got kids in these. It's getting a little. Get a little creepy Hamas. Like, get a little weird, get a little suspicious.

B

Well, Chabad is like the Moonies. The Moonies are an intel thing that's propped up by CIA. Chabad is some kind of intel thing like that. That's why Bondi Beach, a bunch of members of Chabad got, you know, false flag, killed by.

C

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

B

Because it's a cult. Useful.

C

Yeah. I mean, Chabad is basically like a cross between the Amish and the ultra orthodox. And they. It's. I mean, if you've never been there, it'll blow your mind. Like, you wouldn't believe that this exists in New York City because you got hipster Williamsburg, and then you cross the street. Every business, every house, every school is Chabad Lubovitcher. They own every single thing. There is not one person who's not a member who has any property, any business, anything. It's very within this boundary.

B

Yeah, it's very fundamentalist Mormon. And which fundy Mormons have an obsession with both Israel and with England for some reason. Well, I know why. Because they're a Masonic thing. But you know, I don't think problem with. With. I remember I rented in Bushwick from this guy Alan who had to be. He had to be. Well maybe he's just orthodox, but he's a very fair guy. I thought it's just that people that are in that. I was in Joe's Witnesses. Okay. So I'm in what you'd call the right hand path. I didn't know there were two paths in it at the time, by the way.

C

Right.

B

So it's a control group and America is full is lousy with these turn of the center. All these like kind of cults turn denominations of religion. All of them are some oligarch. They're all cut out of something. All of them, all the evangel. You know why they we have faith healers and evangelicals and because of the Kardashian family back in the day. Look up AVOC Hagobian. An Armenian guy looked like Jesus who looked like the guy from the Jesus movie. They were trotting around all the right. Russell Brand shows recently. Yeah, there was a guy like that in Palm Springs. And it's some oligarchs deciding like genetic like engineering what our religions are going to be for their own like world conquering purposes. That's where we got all evangelical. All that prosperity gospel that's purely Luciferian. I mean, you know, she could. Candace could say that too about Ben. But Candace, I mean you joined Catholicism as an adult and I don't know. I don't know if you think they're good, but they're not. Yeah, it's in the same boat. Candace

C

Baron Coleman. I genuinely hope this gets answered. Why in all of the chaos of trying to keep a man alive, did someone think, you know what we really need to do here, man? We need to make sure podcaster Ben Shapiro knows what's going on before we get to the hospital because that's weird. Yeah, it is.

B

Well, they were really good friends and Ben loved him. It's not like Ben called him an AI semi two weeks before. Right, right. It's not like Ben and Laura Loomer all. And we reported on this show. My friend Carrie, I'm trying to explain it to. It's not an opinion, sweetie. I. I was reporting this. Next thing I know the guy's dead and I was trashing him.

C

Right.

B

I was Saying that his face was like a gazo. Like he had squished all his features into one Gaza on his face as a war crime. I was saying crazy about this guy and I think his poor had no idea when he tried to look they killed him. That's what I think.

C

Like that's why you had to move to Austin. Senior officer Christopher Low battery Begley whose body camera died while he was on the rooftop. My battery died? Yeah. No, it happens all the time. It's very, very convenient. So. So here's the score folks again from Baron Coleman. Please list the Fed slobbers who have reported the following before the preliminary hearing started. 1:89 to 95% of the DNA on the screwdriver and towel came from Lance Twigs. 2. The woman who provided the ring footage of Tyler Robinson's car reported it was driven by a Bald man with three passengers. 3. The limping man switched the legs that limped and bent the limping leg with ease every so often. 4. The man alleged to be Tyler Robinson arrived on campus at 8:30am Walked to the quad squad and met with representatives from TP USA. 5. The officer responded to the lose center had his body worn camera stop working when he arrived at the roof. 6. The officer who responded to the lose center roof was accompanied by an unidentified man with a gun and badge from an unidentified agency. 7. Officers have no identifying information for the person on the LOSI center roof including an inability to identify his height, face or clothing.

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8.

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Officers can only state the guy on the LOSI center roof was carrying a long item and cannot state that it is a gun. Anyone? Perhaps more importantly, do any of the Fed slappers see a problem with any of this? But hey man, Forbidden hq. They got. They got the receipts here man. Tyler Robinson killed Charlie Kirk. This video shows exactly what happened. Conspiracy theorists. Your pathetic little alternate reality fan fiction is getting embarrassing. Touch grass. I want you.

B

But they took it away. They paved over it.

C

He's talking.

B

I wanted to talk.

C

He's talking to you. Here's the evidence. Here's the proof. This is going to shut you down, man. This is going to shut you down. It's going to send you back to the Mormon Church, man.

B

Go around.

C

Theorists insist no 30 odd six could possibly behave this way. The round blasted into Charlie Kirk's neck, crushed his vertebra and ricocheted downward toward his heart. Only to be stopped dead by his legendary superman. Neck of super dense steel like bone. Yes, it created no exit wound and lodged harmlessly just beneath the skin. Which experts Hailed as a miracle that saved the bystanders standing behind him. Up on the rooftop, Tyler Robinson didn't just break down his rifle. He shredded it apart in a ridiculous hyperspeed blow blur, using nothing but his bare hands. Then he sprinted across the roof and launched himself off the edge. With expert parkour precision, Tyler made the conscious expert decision to reassemble his rifle one last time and place it under a tree in a bush. He then changed back into his blue jeans and maroon T shirt in hyperspeed. Time for ice cream. All right, so I hope that sets all this to bed.

B

I feel like a fool for what I said before.

C

You're a fool or I'm sorry.

B

I now realize communism's wrong and Islam's wrong.

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This.

C

This is why I hosted. I wanted to set the record straight on Tyler Robinson. I know you guys throw around a lot of loose talk.

B

I gotta text Carrie and tell her she's right, Gary. I was wrong.

C

Yeah. Text your friend. Text your friend. Text your friend now. Yeah. This is. This is an incredibly incompetent cover up. And I think part of the problem they're having, unlike the JFK assassination, this is happening in a world of cell phones and social media where everyone is watching this trial. You're not able to control the flow of information like you used to be able to. If you wanted to see footage of the JFK assassination back then, how were you going to see that? How were you gonna watch that?

B

I know Dick Gregory. That's how.

C

Right? How are you gonna watch it now? Everybody can see the evidence. Everyone's seeing this trial. And it's ridiculous. It's ridiculous. I mean, it's amazing. Very much like the Epstein suicide in air quotes. Suicide. It's. It's incredible that they didn't cover it up better. Right? Like, it. Like this is just. How do you. How do you release a video where he clearly is intentionally trying to do a limp that he was told to do for the cameras and have him keep switching legs? And then why would you not just not even offer that into evidence after that? Like, why would you use it? Because, you know, little respect they have for you.

B

They don't have to. Because statistically, you're stupid. Number one, right now. Okay, if I talk, I'm telling you, there's people I talk to, they have no idea about anything going on. They think we've been winning in Iran. They think Trump's been doing great. There's a bunch of people, if you're a boomer who, you know, the interest rates he didn't lower because screw you kids, right? These boomers are. I know they vote because they're so. They know they've done the studies of what they have to do and how much they have to give a and it ain't much and let's face it, not watching this show. But most of the people are dumb as most of them are not fit to even be pizza or beef jerky. They poisoned most of the people. By the way, the name of it I used to say. Oh, it's MK Retard and be funny. No, it's called Gestalt. It's actually called Project Gestalt. I found out the real name of it recently. That's the mass rollout. So that's why Fox News is just for one guy, the President. Just the way MSNBC was just for Biden.

C

Right.

B

Pop him in front of his babysat by the team.

C

Right? Sure.

B

And then they use the auto pen. That's what they do with Trump. Of course your dumb parents can watch too, and they will, but it's actually to help keep programming the guy in charge who's a dumb puppet anyway. And that look, anybody that stands up to anything when I hear people tell me they didn't like Massey and I'm like, why? And oh, he courted the wrong people's. What the are you talking. What did he lie about? Oh, you got nothing. Just some high school popularity nonsense. Oh, what a surprise. That's America, you know, that's all that.

C

Well, that said, I mean, literally, first it was the TV for a long time and then the social media. People are hypnotized. They're really hypnotized. They. They have very, very passionate opinions about shit they know nothing about. It's not about the thing, it's about how they've been programmed.

B

That's right.

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To respond in a Pavlovian reaction.

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You don't have to be the subject

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of the thing comes up. They just react, dude.

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Here's an example. My buddy Scott Horton, who I like very much, I think is very smart, he's just believes 911 happened how they said because he's got a beef with, I don't know, Alex Jones or religious people or something. He told me he has a blind spot towards anything like religion. I guess he likes death metal. Who gives a shit? The point is you don't have to be dumb. It's not a matter of dumb. It's just this thing of like my brain can't allow me to this possibility. I have a certain overton Acceptable window. If you've been to academia, you've been programmed in a way to make you the most compartmentalized stupid. I went to go see Eric Weinstein with Duncan talking University of Texas. Anyway, his talk was, we should be able to talk about this. And. And he's not wrong. Okay? It was weird when I wanted to talk to him about. He suddenly, he won here. But when I want to bring up Gaza, you know, I'm like, don't you have a theory?

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I thought you carry everything.

B

Okay. He said to me, you think Epstein was like a main guy? I go, no, of course not. He was a node in a much larger network. And he goes, if the whole truth came out, it would end the world. And I went, oh, no. Hey, I'm having a podcast and watch on Eric. It's called can you hear yourself? So that means he's smart enough to understand how bad it is, but thinks it's for the best if it doesn't come out. So this punk ass country, I mean, honest to God, I want to say fuck you for your service to everybody that's helping it. They eat kids. If this was the 17, remember the whiskey rebellion, which I think was over whiskey people ready to go shoot. We just had a revolution. They're gonna go shoot General Washington over this shit. He marched him in chains, barefoot, because he's a scumbag to fuck him. Fuck the founding fathers. Except Jefferson. I'm turned around.

C

Those. Those some strong words there, Kurt.

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I don't give a fucking shit. They eat kids. Now's the time for a satanic panic. Now's the time to panic. Satanic panic.

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Now.

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Now it's just like, I'm so disgusted. Me and one black guy at the airport in Georgia give a. I don't. I, I. That's real. This is crazy. And we're

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man. I mean, the country is like a cult. Like, that's a great way. The whole country needs to be deprogrammed, dude. Everyone. You. You want to see evidence of how hypnotized people are? I never have people come at me as hard as they do if I say something about pop culture right now. What the. Does that matter really? Why do you feel more strongly than that than if I said, you know what? I don't believe in a minimum wage? You would not have anyone come at you. Like, they will come at you if you say, you know, I think a black Ellen of Troy is a good idea. Like that. They. How hypnotized do you have to be to care that much about that.

B

What is it?

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Why is this really significant in your life? Why is it more significant than things that materially affect you? Because you're programmed that.

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Because I feel helpless in that area. But in the world of social stuff.

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Wow.

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Because our government's the same as student council. The, the class president and the president of the United States not only get the same level of information, apparently they have the same level of power and it's a big pageant. And that's why all the Nazis are gay and all the other people that are doing these bad things, they're all

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turned out to be.

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Well, they like the uniforms.

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Well they like uniforms in theater and our government's theater and all your bad Nazis heal our theater and all the things are theater. And that's I mean dude, Richard Spencer, remember? I'm trotting him out. Yeah, that obvious gay guy again. I don't care if he's gay. I think he knocked up some Nazi. Check. Actually I, I. Why? Who's happy? But it's all because it's a play. I mean it is, right?

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Right.

B

I don't know if you're not going to see through it now after the Epstein files.

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Right.

B

I curse Gavin McGinnis on you, Gavin. I'll slap the out of you if you have a problem with anything. I said you, you CIA cut out go down my country. All these people, they, he goes, well, I couldn't find anything in there about that. He gave me the old Michael Tracy. This.

C

Oh really?

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It had a nerve to say low IQ to me. The guy that did look at it.

C

Has everyone lost their minds?

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Yes, everyone's lying.

C

Everyone's. That's my Michael Tracy. Oh yeah. Hey, hey. Look man, it takes a lot of courage to carve out Elaine and rape apologia as a journalist. So hats off.

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I don't think he's a shill. Michael Tracy. I think.

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Oh, I don't. Oh, I don't think he's paid by him.

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Anybody who would know.

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Oh no, no, no no no. I think this is what I think.

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He likes lollycon. That's what I think. That's what I based on it. He likes teen girls is how I interpret what he's doing.

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I think every time he sees someone get accused of rape he says that could have been me.

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Yeah, he's afraid of moral panics. He said, yeah, really.

C

Which, which I am too. But there's a balance between being a knee jerk believer and a knee jerk skeptic. He's a knee jerk skeptic at this Point like, that's not. That's not any more balance.

B

Michael, is there a genocide in Israel or not? See, once I saw them do a genocide in broad daylight with most of the people that I know not aware of it, they're not going to look up what genocide is. Which Holocaust victims invented. The whole. The whole definition was invented by Holocaust victims.

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Right.

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Which we know happened for sure, because that's why Israel's so vicious. They couldn't be this vicious unless something as awful as that had happened. That's how they controlled this golem they built called Israel. Okay, so. So once they can hide that, and not even. They don't hide it, they brag about it.

C

Right?

B

So of course they can hide a ufo, or if they hang out with

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the devil, they can hide for them. Everyone they kill is a Nazi.

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Right?

B

So they can hide dragons.

C

What can you not justify? Yeah, all right, all right, on that note, so that's in the can, all right? Before Gavin McGinnis sues, Kurt sues the show.

B

He won't do nothing. He's such a Canadian punk. Shut up, Gavin, you royalist. You know, everybody could invent one CIA cut out by mistake, which was Vice magazine. That can happen anybody. But then the Proud Boys. Two. Nobody does two. And then defends Epstein. You. I don't know what he works for, but he ain't good.

C

I. I mean, most of these people who come to that kind of prominence, they're being paid by somebody. That's why. That's why their signal gets boosted.

B

Yeah, he's got the same opinion as Nick Fuentes about Epstein and also Zionist. That Israel didn't have nothing to do with it.

C

Right.

B

Well, that's weird.

C

All right, Kurt, thanks for joining. Thank you to the audience. Thank you to Jimmy, Misha, Andrew, Malcolm, the whole crew here at the Jimmy Dore Show. Thanks to Professor. Professor Zancas. I almost said Professor McGinnis. Thanks to Professor Zancus and Nick Cruz for being such amazing guests. Those are fascinating conversations. I will be doing Wednesdays all the way through July, and my man Keaton will be here on Friday, joined by. Oh, you're coming on with Keaton and. Oh, God, I'm having. I'm having a brain fart. Caleb. Caleb Maupin will be on with him.

B

Oh, interesting. All right, cool.

C

Yep.

B

All right, new Mystery Boys tomorrow on your Mom's horse network on YouTube. And subscribe to Derp with Kirp if you can, because, I don't know, I got demonetized and I'm not. They demonetized you because I have an AI intro to the show.

C

Ah, really?

B

They did it in a mass thing or I got flat. I don't know. But so subscribe so I can boost that one back up. Mystery Boy is a huge hit though, so that's doing just fine. But they're with Kirk is what Michael L. Hoffman. I just had on the last one the author of the Twilight Language. Excellent, excellent, excellent. Guy smeared his anti Semite, who is not an anti Semite at all. It's actually upsetting how much he was smeared how much he's not an anti Semite. And you know, he was on to some. He's not even in the neighborhood of an.

C

All right.

B

He talked about all the. Yeah.

C

So where do they. Check that out.

B

Derp with Kirp on YouTube and Mystery Boys on YouTube on the your mom's house channel.

C

All right. And I will of course be on Due Dissidents tomorrow. We have a noon show. I am doing the Clopin today. The Close and the Open.

B

Oh, the Clopin.

C

The Clopin. I will be on Due Dissidents tomorrow noon Eastern time. Thank you all for joining. We will see you next week.