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the medium speeds and jumps the medium and hit some head on. It's the Jimmy Door Show. Hello everybody. Welcome to the Jimmy Dore show on this Friday, July 10th. A little matinee edition of the Jimmy Dore Show. Thanks to the west coast crew for getting up nice and early. Pleasure to see you all here. We got a great show for you today. Kurt Metzger is going to be joining us mid show. We got Janine Yunus, our friend coming on towards the end of the program. But to kick things off here, gonna waste no time introducing our first guest. Caleb Maupin is a journalist and political analyst who has reported extensively from the Middle east and Latin America and has made frequent media appearances on RT and Press tv. He is also the founder and director of the center for Political Innovation as well as the author of a great number of books, including his latest which is Imperialism and Anti Imperialism, Key Writings and Lectures by Caleb Maupin. It's a big book, almost 500 pages which speaks to his body of work. Please welcome back to the program friend Caleb Maupin. Caleb, great to see you again.

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Sure. Glad to be here.

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Absolutely, absolutely. So much going on in the world now that you have covered extensively, both as an author and a speaker, but also as an on the ground journalist. You visited so many of these places around the world which you write about in your book, which we're going to talk about soon. But we're going to start out with the breaking news here because this is right in your wheelhouse as well. Marco Rubio confirms that the Trump administration will help Ukraine strike deep into Russia in a massive escalation. Trump restarted war with Iran and is now planning on starting World War three with Russia. The bloodthirsty ruling class completely lost their minds. This is our friend Nick Cruz with a hotspot video on this. We'll take a quick look here. Now allow Ukraine to use Patriot missiles,

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but this shouldn't surprise anyone.

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This is the basic mission creep that

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we've seen the United States deploy since the Biden administration.

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So one of the things we're going

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to be talking about is you'll we're going to give a license to you to make patriots. That's pretty cool. Right this way.

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You can't complain that we're not giving them enough.

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I say make them yourself.

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yet, but that'll work out. All right. Sure. They'll be thrilled.

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The strategy of the United States and

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NATO ever since the start of this

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conflict has been to slowly escalate, plunging

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us into World War 3 and testing

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the restraint of Russia. Yeah.

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No, I think what you're discussing is

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the ability of Ukraine to reach deep inside of Russia, conduct strikes.

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I think that's one of the dynamics that's changed in this war over the

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last few months, and that is that

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Russians are finding it more difficult to

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defend their own airspace. And what we hope that means is

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that's going to create the space now for to negotiate the end of this war. It's an escalation, but it's also an escalation that can help lead to an end. We warned people that the tension between

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Trump and Zelensky was fake political theater,

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the same way that the tension between Netanyahu and Trump is fake political theater.

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Neocons in the establishment and is consistently

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working psyops in order to advance their wars. MAGA fell for it.

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Once again, Donald Trump betrayed all his campaign promises, especially his promise to end this war against Russia and Ukraine. Not only did Donald Trump continue Joe

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Biden's war, he also opened up multiple

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new fronts, including strikes on Iran, reigniting a conflict that will destabilize the global economy. This is why peace movements in the west need to lock in right now,

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There's our friend Nick with the great report there. Tom Corey says many voted for Trump in 2024 primarily to prevent the escalation of tensions with Russia leading up to a possible nuclear conflic. Now, everything they feared about a Harris administration is materializing with the Trump administration. Now, of course, the other side of this, and this is what you're seeing. A lot of mainstream media run with the angle that this is actually theater in the other direction, and he's not actually helping Ukraine as much as he says he is. So what kind of show did Trump put on with Patriot for Ukraine? A promise without real value. Trump promised Kyiv a license to produce Patriot missiles at the NATO summit. But experts call this political gesture. Setting up serial production will take three to five years. While Ukraine needs weapons now, existing supply chains are overloaded, and the factory would become a priority target for Russia. Trump's goal is protection from criticism. The main objective of the American leader is not real aid, but creating the appearance of support to avoid reproaches from within the US and from allies. The promise does not solve Ukraine's current air defense shortage. Risks to US Security include transferring Patriot technology could expose classified information about air defense systems and responsible statecraft suggest the Pentagon will drag its feet on implementation until the initiative is forgotten. This same account here cites a clip of John Mearsheimer explaining what will happen because Trump is not providing Ukraine with sufficient support. Defeat in Ukraine is also likely to lead to a transatlantic blame game, especially since the Trump administration has refused to support Kyiv as vigorously as the Biden administration and instead pushed the Europeans to assume more of the burden of keeping Ukraine in the fight. Thus, when the war finally ends with

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Europeans of not stepping up to the plate, while the European leaders can accuse Trump of bailing out on Ukraine in its greatest moment of need. Okay, so, you know, all day we've been following the mainstream press reports by abc, reports by Reuters, really emphasizing the fact that it's going to take years to implement these Patriot systems. They seem to be of the opinion that Trump is really stalling and trying to make it look like he's offering Ukraine more support than he is. However, obviously we just saw the video. On its face, this seems like a pretty significant escalation in violation of one of his core campaign promises. Now, you've covered this topic extensively as a writer, as an activist, as an authority, and as, as an on the ground journalist as well. What do you make of this recent decision to supply Patriot systems to Ukraine?

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Well, I, I think we need to first talk about what mainstream media is completely ignoring, which is that Ukraine has adopted a strategy of terrorism. And that's not getting any play in American media. They've just kind of looked the other way. Ukraine's losing this war. They're not losing it like overnight. It's, it's, they're losing it gradually. And as they're losing it, they've just decided to start murdering Russian civilians. And they've been targeting buses mainly with these drones. And if you look at what was done to the, the soccer team from Belarus, you know, their, their bus, you look at what was done to civilian buses, that just seems to be what Ukraine is now doing, is targeting civilian buses, buses full of, you know, families and adults and children. And that's not getting any attention over here. You know, and this has been, you know, there's been targeting of civilians by Ukraine from the beginning of the conflict, from back in 2014. You know, you had the shelling of the Donbas region after the USA installed the fanatically Anti Russian government. That's the reason this war began was because of the fact that people in the Donbas region, they declared independence after a fanatically anti Russian government was installed. And in response they faced a wave of terrorism and attacks and bombings, etc. From the US backed government. And eventually Russia moved in to protect them in 2022. And this whole situation, you know, lays on the shoulders of NATO. I mean, this didn't have to happen and mainstream media doesn't give you any of that attention. But the fact that Ukraine is now turning towards this policy of just targeting civilians, you know, blowing up school buses, blowing up dormitories where kids are studying, I mean it's just, it's, they're just trying to demoralize the population of Russia in the hopes of, you know, just kind of making the population weary by, you know, taking the lives of children and school kids and families that are trying to get to the beach for their vacation. I mean, it's pretty evil. What's, what's been going on that's not getting any play in American media. And the fact that, you know, the Patriot missiles, it's kind of interesting in the way Patriot missiles works. You want me to get into that because.

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So you know, Patriot missiles, when you look at how Patriot missiles work in terms of these are like defensive missiles that are strike enabling. Right? So, so basically the idea is that, you know, Russia would, would shoot a missile into Ukraine and then they would have the ability to deflect it. And in Cold War terms that means you can strike another country and then they aren't able to respond. That's why it's threatening. The United States has a monopoly on them. Only two American companies have a, the, the copyright to them, Lockheed Martin and rtx, formerly known as Raytheon. And only two countries have ever been given a license to make them by the United States so far, Japan and Germany. And that when you get a license to set up Patriot missiles, it's quite a process because the copyright of how to make them is not only, you know, legally protected. The US Government sends people there to make sure and guard the information. So there's like, you know, like, you know, guards basically who escort the computer chips with the plans on them, etc. It's quite expensive just to facilitate having the information about how to build it. And then on top of that, you know, as the video hinted, Ukraine would have to make their own supply chain. Not only do they have to make a factory that can make them, which has to be Very, very carefully watched because the plans are very carefully guarded as a matter of national security. But on top of that, they then have to make their own supply chain to have the parts that go into it. And there's no way that Ukraine can actually get Patriot missiles up and going, you know, with, it'll take them at least three to five years. This isn't something they can set up overnight. If they do set it up though, they'll be, you know, they'll have the ability to strike Russia and deflect any response. And that's what, what makes it very threatening. Right. And that's a pretty big escalation to have a strike enabling Patriot missile system set up in Ukraine. If that were to actually get set up, you know, that would mean right on Russia's border you've got, you got a strike enabling system. So Ukraine would be able to strike inside of Russia with missiles and deflect any response that would come from Russia. That's why it's so much of a concern.

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The other thing, sorry to cut you off, I just want to plant a little flag there because it seems like this is a terrible development in multiple ways. Number one, it suggests that there's no plan to end the conflict before these Patriot missile systems are up and running. Right. And number two, that whole thing that they said there, that, that, that, you know, George Orwell. Well, this is an escalation in the hopes of making a deal. Doesn't this make a deal much less likely? Like if we're equipping Ukraine with this weaponry that we then plan on parking right on Russia's border, doesn't that make a deal with Russia harder, not easier?

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Well, it certainly gives leverage in the negotiations and that often, you know, the way negotiations are done, there's an element of like, well, I'll give you this. Well, I have overuse, so you have to give me that. I mean, it could certainly play a role in, in negotiations for sure. I mean, the fact that, that, you know, they would get a license to set this up, that's certainly a factor. The other thing that's not getting any attention though, in American media, in addition to Ukraine, you know, resorting to terrorism is the draft riots. No one's talking about that. They've been dragging every last old man and every young man off the street. And recently we've seen Ukrainians go out and just, you know, target military vehicles with big crowds. They don't want to be drafted to fight in this war. And the public, I mean, they're just, they've given up so many lives, you know, it's infuriating for me. I'm here in New York City, and every so often, you'll see, I call them the Ukrainiacs, right? The fanatical anti Russian extremists that you'll see. They'll be out here and there'll be guys my age and younger out there with Ukrainian flags. Oh, I hate Russia. Well, why don't you go back to Ukraine and fight them, right? You know, I mean, why don't you go back and fight? Because, I mean, they're dragging every last young man off the street to have his life thrown away in this conflict. I think Marjorie Taylor Greene and others have talked about how Ukraine is going to come out of this conflict, no matter how it ends with a whole generation of young men missing. On top of that, all of their crops, their ability to grow crops as, like, the breadbasket of Europe is going to be very much decimated by the fact that there's bullets with depleted uranium being shot every day. And that has an impact on your ability to grow crops. And so you. Ukraine's going to be agriculturally crippled coming out of this conflict. Ukraine has gotten royally screwed by this war. And I mean, it's like, imagine that. That, you know, you had a friend and your friend was constantly trying to get you into fights with someone who's ten times your size. Are they really your friend? You know, I mean. I mean, the narrative that we all got at the beginning of the conflict in 2022 is like, America just cares about Ukrainians so much. You care about Ukrainians so much. Wouldn't you want them to get along with their very important neighbor Russia? And. And Ukraine is just being used as a proxy to attack Russia to kill Russian civilians. And the feeling was that in the lead up to the NATO summit, Zelensky, I mean, he's losing the war, and that he escalated his attacks on civilians in Russia to basically say to the NATO countries, look, I may not be able to win this war, but I'll be useful in just carrying out attacks against Russia. So keep funding me. That was the message that he was sending. Basically. Just keep giving me money and weapons. I'm going to lose the war, sure. But while I'm losing, I'll keep killing Russians and I'll keep antagonizing Russia, so, you know, you can keep funding me even though I'm losing the war. I mean, it's. It's an utter outrage. And people compare Zelensky to Netanyahu, right? Netanyahu needs the war to keep going or else he'll be impeached. He'll, he'll lose his standing. Zelensky, everyone knows that his inner circle of cronies are lining their pockets with all the billions of dollars pouring into Ukraine, and that when this war ends, he's going to be on a helicopter out of the country to a hiding place where he and his family will live off of this war and the billions and billions of dollars of American taxpayer money we poured into this war for the rest of their lives. I mean, it's one of the most cynical things. And remember, Zelensky was elected on a peace platform, right? He ran against the, the hardliners saying that he would improve things with Russia, he would implement the Minsk agreement, etc, and the Ukrainian people voted for Zelensky way back in the day, hoping that he would move them away from this war happening. And then he got in and he found out he's not really in charge. Ukraine lost its sovereignty in 2014 when the USA overthrew their government. And Ukraine is just basically a proxy of the NATO powers used to antagonize and attack Russia. And even though he was elected on the peace platform, he ended up being the, the guy who presided over this conflict. So, I mean, it's, it's really cynical and it's frustrating to see that American media doesn't tell you about the terrorism and the targeting of civilians. You know, that really doesn't serve a military purpose for Ukraine. I mean, they're just killing Russian civilians right now. And also doesn't tell you about the draft riots. The Ukrainians don't want to fight. They, they don't want to fight this war and they're not telling us about any of that. And now we're hearing about these Patriot missiles. I mean, I, I certainly hope this war doesn't go on for three to five more years so that they have time to set all of this up. And I don't know where they're going to get the supply chain to make all the parts, but yeah, this is definitely a bad situation. And if we get a Patriot missile system set up right on Russia's border, you think we're going to have better relations with Russia anytime soon? I don't think so. Only two other countries, Japan and Germany can do the Patriot missile thing. And now we're going to let Ukraine do the Patriot missile thing? They're going to, they're going to join this club.

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Yeah. No, I mean, it seems like it can only invite more violence and More war. And that's why I say like I don't know how much it strengthens your hand in negotiations. If the war is only going one way, then any provocation is going to just be seen as license to continue the war on Russia's part. They know that they have the upper hand long term. And so to me it's, it's only a question of how many people. I mean look, it's the age old question of war. It's, you know, I think Jeremy Corbyn said at the start of this war, all wars end in talking, it's just a matter of time. It's just, it's just a of matter question of how many people have to die between you figure between, you know, the time the war starts and the time that you figure that out. But as far as Trump is concerned, what, what's your, what, what's your take on, on his role in all of this? Because I remember when Biden was president, I think one of the things that red pilled a lot of people when Biden was president is the fact that he was such a non entity that people saw right through him and to his deep state handlers, be it Anthony Blinken or Jake Sullivan who are the real foreign policy architects of his administration. Now Trump, because he's much more of a commanding presence as a person, attracts a lot more attention as a so called strong leader. But his words on this seem to be just as empty as Joe Biden's. In other words, I mean just look at, look, look at what we're seeing now. I mean when, when Marco Rubio talks, you get the sense that he's the one running this. Just like when, you know, Anthony Blinken talked, you got the sense during the Biden years that he was the one running this. Like it seems like Trump is just as much a non leader as Joe Biden was at the end of the day. What do you think about that?

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Well, let's talk about this in terms of Trump's 2024 election campaign and how we got here because Trump was supposed to end this war in 24 hours. Remember as soon as he got in he was and you know, it's been, been a long time that there's a little bit of like complicated 4D chess here. The Democrat Party, the party of Joe Biden has always had a contradictory aspect to it. And this goes back to the 1920s. You can go back to the 1800s, they've had this aspect that they are, on the one hand, they are the party of the Wealthy, old money, liberal establishment of New England. The Rockefellers, the duponts, the Carnegie's, the, you know, the foreign policy think tanks. On the other hand, they are the party of the urban political machines. Tammany hall in New York City, Rizzo's machine in Philadelphia. You know, you've got Mayor Daly and the old Daly machine in Chicago and those kind of nepotistic, corrupt urban political machines on the one hand, and on the other hand, kind of the ultra rich New England liberal establishment that has kind of plans for, you know, dominating the world long term. And that's been like a contradiction. And what we saw during the 2024 campaign was RFK threw his hat into the ring as a candidate as somebody who opposed the vaccine mandates, which a lot of public employees in cities lost their jobs over. He threw his hat into the ring as somebody wanted peace with Russia. And he represented that, that urban political machine wing of the Democratic Party, which in some ways is more socially conservative. You know, a lot of the cops and firemen are, are Roman Catholic. They're not too, they certainly weren't into Black Lives Matter. They're certainly not excited about, you know, about, you know, the LGBT thing. A lot of them are more traditional and conservative and, and you had that layer of an important part of the Democratic Party's apparatus in major cities, which is public employees, cops, firemen's urban political machines kind of asserting itself and saying, we're not happy about vaccine mandates getting a lot of us fired. We're not happy about the kind of wokification of the Democrat Party. And RFK kind of threw down and a section of the Democratic Party that maybe doesn't have as many numbers, but is very important in governing. Right. If you're going to govern, you need cops, you need firemen, you need that urban political machine. You need it if you're going to govern. It was them kind of asserting themselves and saying no to Kamala Harris. Trump recruited them and he brought them in. And RFK was, was for Trump and Tulsi Gabbard and, and all of them. And that there was a, that layer went in for Trump and that layer seems to be more anti war and they were brought in and that's why Trump was able to win. If he hadn't recruited that layer, he probably wouldn't have won. If RFK hadn't been there at Madison Square Garden and Tulsa Gabbard and it was, it was that those urban machines that are more socially conservative but more anti war and in some cases you can even argue they're a little bit more socialistic in terms of economics than, than the, the kind of woke wing of the Democratic Party. They, they're the ones that won the election for Trump. And then Trump got into office and proceeded to snub them and now his administration has basically purged them all. You know, Tulsi Gabbard is out. I mean, RFK is, I guess he's still in office. But before Tulsi Gabbard went out, RFK's daughter in law resigned from the office of the Director of National Intelligence. And that Trump is basically repudiating the people who got him elected. That kind of lower level of the Democratic Party machine that went over to Trump's camp. And I think that's the issue here and that the war in Iran is a big part of it. And I mean, it was really good that Tulsa Gabbard was able to reveal that Russiagate was a hoax. I mean, you know, the pages and pages she revealed about, about how Russiagate, you know, the whole Russiagate story was just completely fiction that did not get enough attention in mainstream media at all. I mean, we have the documents that Russia did not interfere to get Trump elected. It didn't happen. And the, the intelligence community did multiple assessments showing that if Russia had wanted to help Trump get elected, they very well could have. They had all kinds of data on Hillary Clinton they chose not to release. Russia did not help Trump. Tulsi Gabbard revealed that. Good for her. And then Tulsi Gabbard also revealed a lot of the foul play regarding the bio labs, you know, that we were told. Oh, that's a conspiracy theory. Well, no, it's true. The US Government has biolabs all over the world that are doing gain of function research, trying to figure out how to make germs more deadly. And there were a number of bio labs in Ukraine. Russia was not lying about that. We now have the proof from Tulsa Gabbard. But other than that, that wing, that layer of the Democratic machine that went over to Trump and got him elected has been fully repudiated. Meanwhile, who was, who did we just see in the video kind of articulating the policy? Marco Rubio. Right. And Marco Ribio is a neoconservative fanatic. And you know, Marco Rubio, this is what I really wish people would remember, right? You know, you know, put your ideology aside, whatever. Just think about this in a purely pragmatic way. Marco Rubio is a Miami Cuban, right. He's from a constituency, a community of people that fled Cuba after the Cuban revolution set up shop in Miami. There's all kinds of stuff, you know, Luis Posada Carriles, who blew up an airline full of school children, you know, you know, a terrorist, all kinds of organized crime of anti Cuban networks and stuff, stuff set there in Florida. Do you think Marco Rubio cares about America? Do you think he's waking up every day and saying, how can the lives of Americans get better? No. That constituency they're concerned about, they want revenge against Fidel Castro. They want, they want revenge against the Cuban revolution. And the same for the Likudniks, the fanatical Israel lobby folks. Do you think they care about America? You think they're sitting up every day? How can America become a more prosperous and peaceful place? No, they, they want to advance Israel's interests. They want to fight Iran to the last. To the last dollar of American taxpayer money. And, and the neoconservative establishment is very much tied in with kind of a network of these communities that were built up by the United States during the cold war as proxies against the Soviet Union, as proxies against communism. And largely, U. S. Foreign policy has been taken over by these kind of foreign interests that started out maybe as proxies of the United States, but you could argue that U.S. foreign policy is largely a proxy of them at this point.

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I mean, you know, the shahs of Sunset Park. Right. Do you think that they care about America? No, they want, they want to get Iran back. Right. You can make so many of the epoch times that's a really big part of conservative media now. And conservatism, the Falun Gong, fanatical religious extremists that want to overthrow the Chinese government, they don't care about America. And these kind of foreign policy interest groups that are very, very much an important part of the neoconservative wing of American politics, they've taken over. And as a result, you know, when Trump says he wants America first, I mean, that's not how he's governing. I mean, and, you know, Marco Rubio doesn't represent America first. He represents kind of defending an international system with different groups of fanatics that the United States has armed and trained and cultivated over the years that have their own agenda.

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Yeah, no, it's the biggest scam in the modern history of American politics. They don't even talk about this country anymore. They, all they. All this administration talks about is what shit. They're going to start with other countries all over the world. You know, Iran and now, you know, the Same rattling. War with Russia, Venezuela, we're gonna hit Cuba next. I mean, all they do is talk about war. That's all they talk about is war. The, the only domestic agenda piece that they've tried to deliver on are the mass deportations. And we have another ICE murder in the streets that we're gonna talk about at the end of the show. But no, it's just been, it's just been an absolute horror. All right, we're gonna move on to another segment. I'm just gonna reset this. Welcome to the Jimmy Dore show, everybody. Akeem Weiss here with special guest Caleb Maupin. So I wanted to show you this poll, Caleb, interesting study here. A NATO aligned think tank of all organizations recently carried out a global poll asking who is the greatest threat to the world. They didn't get the answer they were expecting. So spoiler alert, the United States is in blue. So that gives you a pretty good idea of which country is the greatest threat to world peace according to populations in all these different countries. And what do you notice? That the United States is colored blue, which means that America is seen as the greatest threat to world peace by Americans. So that is quite the result. We're going to dig into this a little more. Major study SHOWS world sees USA as biggest Threat and Prefers China from Geopolitical Economy. A comprehensive study that surveyed tens of thousands of people in nearly 100 countries found that the vast majority see the United States as the biggest threat to the world at the time. More and more nations say they prefer China over the US China's approval rating has risen dramatically in the global south in particular, where support for the US has plummeted. These are the results of the 2026 Democracy Perception Index, an annual study conducted by a group called the alliance of Democracies. The alliance of Democracies cannot in any way be accused of being pro China or anti U.S. yeah, with a name like that, I think that's probably true. The organization was founded by Anders Fogg Rasmussen, the former Secretary General of NATO and right wing ex Prime Minister of Denmark. It is also funded by a who's who of European governmental bodies, major US Corporations, US Government linked groups, and even Taiwan. Some of the organizations that finance the alliance of Democracies include Palantir, Microsoft, the EU's European Endowment for Democracy, the right wing Atlas Network, the US Government sponsored Freedom House, and the Taiwan foundation for Democracy. Well, they're not very good at rigging data, I guess because they weren't able to rig these polls in their favor. Despite these links the group's 2026 Democracy Perception Index came to some conclusions about that will doubtless infuriate hawks and cold warriors in Washington. The survey asked 23,968 respondents in 84 countries which nation they consider to be, quote, the biggest threat to the world. Most people in 65 out of the 84 countries says the United States is the largest danger. Another 10 countries, almost all in Europe, said Russia is the biggest threat. 7 in West Asia and North Africa said Israel. Well played, Israel said Iran. Ha. Japan said China. Look at that. So, yeah, this is the graphic that was in the first tweet that we showed you. As you can see, the United States far and away winner in most countries that were polled, including the United States. Yes. The Democracy Perception Index likewise surveyed people in 97 nations and asked if they think the US should have military bases in your country. Most people in 86 countries said no. There was only clear support for US military bases in four out of the 97 surveyed nations. Israel, Poland, Puerto Rico and South Korea. So should the United States have military bases in your country? The darker red, the more the answer was no. As you can see, world colored pretty much all in hot Pink. And read 86 oppose US bases for support US bases. Moreover, the study asked people in 98 countries what they think about the US war against Iran. This is interesting. A plurality of nations, 41 of the 98 supported Iran. Only 28 said they side with the U.S. the other 29 were divided or not. So the bluer it is, the more support for the United States, the more orange, the more support for Iran. And you can see there, the image speaks for itself. And yes, once again, even the United States believes that the world's biggest threat is the United States. Now you write in your book, you have a book out here called Imperialism and Anti Imperialism, which we're gonna talk about a little more thoroughly in a little while. But I feel like, you know, the themes of this book, which is basically a summation of your, your life's work, you know, lectures and writings, speeches and such, really address the question of imperialism and anti imperialism as being sort of a main political dividing point. And when you have, I think, a plurality of respondents inside the United States saying that the United States is the biggest threat to world peace, I think what you're seeing is a rising consciousness around the macro issue of empire and the damage that not only that causes throughout the world, but that the damage that that invites here at home. And so you have any thoughts about the findings of this Survey.

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Well, I, I guess I want to start out by saying I'm not a lawyer, but I do know that in the legal profession and in courts of law there's something that they call a statement against interest. And that's when somebody makes kind of a revelation that, you know, doesn't help them make their case. And that's what I found particularly enlightening there, where you revealed that this study wasn't paid for by anti American groups or something like that. It was paid for by all these kinds of pro war neoconservative foundations. But yet they got this result. And that points to, you know, that there are two types of media in this country. You have mainstream media that is kind of there to give the perspective and you know, guide us to support the powers that be. But then you have other types of media that's much more about data collection, that is about actually trying to assess where we're at so that, you know, the rich and powerful and the leaders who are making strategies can look at the actual data on the ground and make their decision. Right. And that often in my writings I'll cite, like the CIA world fact book for example. Right, that's, that's similar to this. Whereas they want to know what people actually think. Whoever, you know, did this study, the various foundations you listed there, they didn't do this study because they wanted to make the case for, for U. S interventions or whatever. They wanted to find out what people actually think. So based on that, they can act accordingly. So that's, that's where this study came from. And I, I mean, I think we can just look at the reason for this as being the actual results of US Interventions. Libya once had the highest life expectancy on the African continent. It was the most prosperous country in Africa. People were going there from all over the African continent because Gaddafi had a policy that any African could get a job if they came to Libya. They built the world's largest irrigation system, the great man made river. They were talking about creating an African bank that would have its own currency that would engage in development throughout the region. And in 2011, NATO went in and bombed and destroyed Libya. And that country has been devastated ever since. It's been quite some time since 2011, but the results for Libya have been catastrophic. Open air slave markets, people drowning in the Mediterranean trying to get out of there. I mean, Libya has just been wrecked. So is it good for the United States to intervene? And the whole thing about US Military bases, I thought that was amusing. Right, so we're always Taught that, you know, Russia is a big threat to the world. China is a big threat to the world. Well, how many overseas military bases does Russia have?

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How many overseas military bases does China have? One. In the African country of Djibouti. How many does America have? At least 800. Many. Some studies say if you count different things as military bases, we've got thousands, but at least 800 overseas military bases. So who is it who's a threat to the world? And I think people can very well see that. You know, I mean. I mean, the idea that we should be upset about China's one overseas military base or, you know, China, you know, setting up, you know, military protections in the South China Sea, you know, I mean, you know, that'd be like us having, you know, military protections in the Gulf of Mexico. I guess it's the Gulf of America now, thanks to Trump. But, you know, I mean, it makes perfect sense why countries would view U.S. military bases as unfavorable. Also, you know, U.S. military bases have been associated. If you go, for example, in South Korea, there have been a lot of riots against US Military bases is because there are nasty things that go on near those bases, things like prostitution, things like criminal activities. And you know, that when, when a US Military base sets up in your country, it's not exactly good for the neighborhood.

A

Right.

C

It's not a really great thing. You know, when a military base from the United States sets up shop in your area, it doesn't make the. The neighborhood very prosperous and all of that. There's a lot of shady activities associated with military bases. That's my initial reaction to that study.

A

Yeah, no, it's. It is very illuminating that you see Americans kind of broadly speaking, because it doesn't delve into the percentages, but broadly speaking, there is consensus that, yes, this empire has become a destructive force in the world. And back to what we were talking about earlier and back to what, you know, how I always. My highest hopes for Donald Trump, even though I never supported or voted for Donald Trump, his politics were never my politics were. My highest hopes for him is that he could bring the empire in for a softer landing than, say, the neocons like Joe Biden or going back to 2016, Hillary Clinton or Jeb Bush. And in his first term, he kind of gestured that that was a goal of his as much as there was a lot of hostility towards a lot of these geopolitical foes. You did see, like, a diplomatic trip to North Korea. Right. And it just has not turned out that way. Why do you think that is. Was there something that, that, that happened between his first term and his second term with, say, a certain ally of ours who became very thirsty for a certain war that they may or may not have dragged him into?

C

Well, I think that is a factor, but also it really just gets down to the fact that Trump's wishes are not what define things, that there is a huge structure in this country to back up a military industrial complex, and one person might get in there and have different feelings. I think Trump just wants to get elected. I think Trump, you know, he'll say whatever needs to be said, and I think he's kind of a selfish person. But Americans don't want these wars and have voted over and over again to oppose these wars, but they don't have the power. And if we really want to stop these wars, we need a mass movement. I mean, that's the only thing that'll really stop it is we need people to be in the streets and we need there to be big, massive anti war demonstrations. We need a culture of people that are educated about anti imperialism developing. That's the only thing that's going to stop this and that we can go to the polls again and again and again and vote for people on the right that oppose war, vote for people on the left that oppose war. And we're not going to get it unless there's a real movement that can challenge the power structure and that. You know, I mean, a lot of politicians probably get in there thinking, oh, I want to stop these wars, because that's what the polls show and that's what Americans vote for. But then they realize that the power is in the hands of other forces.

A

Yeah, yeah. And now there's an effort to call a movement like that Communism. Which brings us to our, our third piece. So I'll reset quickly here. Welcome back to the Jimmy Dore show, everyone. Keaton Weiss here with special guest Caleb Maupin. Caleb, you were a rare voice of sanity over the July 4th weekend, which would have been last weekend, where the Red Scare was just reignited. Over the course of those few days after the DSA candidates had a great night in New York, the line in Republican circles was that Communism had taken root in America and that the Communist revolution was on. And this seems to be their Hail Mary pitch. So pardon the mixed metaphor there, Hail Mary pass for the. For the midterms. So here's one of the more unhinged ads here by Tennessee's Marsha Blackburn, vowing to keep Tennessee Communist free.

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They gonna Crack down on China.

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Well, here's a clue. Marsha Blackburn worked with President Trump to take on communist China.

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As governor, Marsha will fight to protect

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Tennessee land from Chinese front companies, close

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loopholes and hunt down every communist who tries to defy us. It doesn't take a fortune cookie to figure it out.

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Here in Tennessee, we're going to stop communicating communist China and protect Tennessee land. That resonates in Tennessee, known around the country for its great Chinese food. That's the best Chinese food in America. Everybody knows is in Knoxville, in Chattanooga. But hey, just a little note here from Blue Georgia fortune cookie is an American invention. You destroying something American is 100% on brand. But Donald Trump renewed his anti communist rhetoric at the NATO summit this week. This is a couple days old. We'll play this just as a reminder. Oh, this is the Epoch Times. You mentioned them in the last segment. Who you with? Why don't you say your name and who you're with? It always helpful.

C

Thank you, Mr. President, for doing this.

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Iris Tao with NTD with a social media with the Epoch Times on communism.

C

You've been issuing a wake up call to Americans at home about the dangers

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of communism and now you're speaking on the world stage.

C

What's your message to people both living under communist and socialist regimes, but also people living under democracies like in Europe

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and America who might not have realized

C

how close communism has come to home?

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Yeah, that's a great question, actually. But look, I want to get the word out because what's forming is communism in the country. Communism's easy to sell. I would be the greatest communist in history. I'd be right up there with Lenin. I'd be, I'd be as good as anybody. You've got free rent, my ear for

C

the rest of your life.

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What they don't say is that you'll be living in squalor in 12 months. You've got a free house. Would anybody like to have a free house? We'll take it away from somebody, we'll give it to you. You'll have murders all over the place. Communism's a disaster. It's been proven to be for thousands of years under different names, but same thing. It's very important and you know, it's okay. So that was, that was all weekend long on the July 4th weekend because he gave two speeches about communism the last week and now here he is. And of course, this is what they're going to hammer on now that what, three or four DSA candidates won primaries in, in blue Cities, this is their opening now to create this sort of anti communist message going into the midterms. But as you've pointed out on X, and you did a whole stream about this, which I was able to catch a good deal of, I thought it was great. You said, happy fourth of July. Let's have the dumbest argument ever about communism. You've talked about just the, the level of willful ignorance in this country and an absolute refusal to learn the first thing about this red menace that a lot of, no offense, but boomers have spent their whole lives sort of hiding under their blankets from. The idea that communism is about taxation and redistribution is of course, completely historically illiterate. I know that and I'm not half as smart as you. So do you want to explain to people not only the difference between what Trump is talking about and communism, but about why this country just refuses to even learn the first thing about what they're talking about when it comes to this whole communist debate? And I'm not even necessarily making an argument for communism. I'm just saying, if anything, it accentuates just how ridiculous this whole debate is because the DSA is barely socialist, much less communist.

C

Yeah. I mean, one thing that is frustrating about hearing this kind of level of, you know, new right wing conservative rhetoric against communism, they can never agree about what communism is. They don't. What are you against?

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Right.

C

And sometimes communism is increasing taxes and increasing the social programs. Then you heard Trump there just saying communism is where the government gives everyone a free house. I guess that's his definition of communism. They take someone's house and give it to you. And, you know, if, if you ever point to China's economic successes, because China is now the second largest economy in the world led by a Communist party, they say, oh, well, that's because they're capitalists. That's because they're capitalists. But if China ever does anything bad, well, that's because they're communists and communists are just so bad. And they can never agree on what communism actually is. Right. And if, if communism is, everyone gets a free house. Well, I thought communists didn't believe in private property. I mean, it doesn't make any sense. They, they can't. Communism is bad. They know it's bad, but they don't know what it is. And they have no absolute definition of what it is. And you know, sometimes in a lot of the rhetoric, they think communism is taxation. And that seems to be, you know, the DSA program that Mamdani got elected on, that these, these New folks won the primaries with is we want to increase the welfare state, we want to, you know, raise taxes on the millionaires and billionaires, use it to provide free buses, free healthcare, free education, things like that. Well, that kind of thing goes on in every country. I mean, in every society. I mean, taxes, right? Go back to Robin Hood, go back to the Roman Empire. People pay taxes, right? Redistribution of wealth. We have this idea that communism is redistribution of wealth. Well, you know, redistribution of wealth and taxation goes on in any society. The American Constitution has eminent domain in it to allow the government to seize property. I mean, that's kind of what governments do. Communism as an ideology, right? Trump said thousands of years. What's he talking about? Thousands of years? I mean, 1848, Karl Marx wrote the Communist Manifesto. That was the notion that there were two classes, the workers and the employers. Those who own the factories and those who work in them. The working class was the majority. And that capitalism has a unique problem that had never existed before, which is poverty created by abundance. Right. Glut. Never before in history had you had a situation where people became homeless because there were too many houses, where people became hungry because there's too much food. And this is really important in light of AI that the more efficient production becomes, the more unstable the economy because. And that's the, that's the built in problem of capitalism. So when technology is zooming ahead like it is in our time, we're all of a sudden going to have all kinds of economic problems. Why should self driving cars be a bad thing? In a rational society, it'd be great to have self driving car. That would mean that this job called driving is no longer necessary. Human labor power could be elsewhere expended. But you know, Andrew Yang pointed out in the New York Times that if we had self driving cars, US society would collapse. There'd be riots in the streets, millions of taxi drivers, uber drivers, traffic court employees, state highway patrolmen out of work. It would be an economic disaster that we'd have to, you know, recover from in the process of huge amounts of turmoil. That's not rational. Right. And so Marx is seeing all of this and he's saying the working class majority, you know, outnumbers the capitalists. So the working class should take control of the government and centralize the instruments of production, centralize the means of production and organize them rationally. So this problem doesn't exist. This problem of poverty amid plenty is eliminated and human creativity can advance and we can create vast abundance for all with an economy that is rationally. Organized capitalism, as Marx understood it, is production organized for profit. The anarchy of production is a phrase that he used. And the antidote to it is what he called the dictatorship of the proletariat or the rule of the people. The idea is we live under the rule or the dictatorship of the rich and powerful, but we need to win the battle for democracy, as he put it, and have the working class majority take control of the state. That's Marx. Then you fast forward 40, 50 years. It didn't happen. Marx was predicting that in Europe the poor would just keep getting poorer, the economy would become more and more unstable. In the lead up to World War I that wasn't happening. So you had what they called the crisis of Marxism. Why wasn't this happening? Well, it was happening because capitalism had moved into a new stage called imperialism where big banks dominated the world and big corporations in the west were exporting themselves all over the world and keeping nations in poverty and seizing the natural resources of developing countries. And the western countries were stabilizing and their economy was becoming more stable while they were colonizing countries around the world. And the climax of that was World War I, which was a horrendous war where 20 million people died. And what were they fighting over? It was that the Americans and the British and the French colonialists and imperialists wanted to run the world. And the German and Austrian and Turkish imperialists, they wanted a chunk of the world for themselves. And 20 million people died fighting over who got to dominate the world economy. One of the most horrendous wars humanity had ever seen. And the socialist movement that Marx had built didn't really oppose it. They said they were against it. When the war started, they changed their minds and sold out. So Lenin in Russia develops a whole new theory where he says capitalism has entered this new stage of imperialism and that socialism isn't going to come into the world as a result of the worker fighting against his employer. It'll be rather the oppressed nation struggling against imperialism, struggles for national liberation. And Marxism, Leninism, the Cold War ideology of the Soviet Union, that's what you can call communism. And it's a big influence on the world that we live under. I mean, you know, I mean, I mean it's a huge impact. I mean, you know, Russia became a superpower with five year economic plans, defeated the Nazis invented space travel. China, you know, started on its course of national rejuvenation and national rebirth as a result of the the Communist Party. And loads of anti colonial movements were aided and supported by the Soviet Union, including the black liberation movement in America. The Soviet Union very much aided and highlighted the oppression of black people in America and opposed Jim Crow. But regardless, right, that particular ideology, Marxism, Leninism, is really not anywhere in the world. Now China, they practice socialism with Chinese characteristics where they have a centrally planned economy, but they allow private investment and they have kind of a five year economic plan, but it's about kind of utilizing the market to make the country overall more prosperous. Iran has never been a Marxist country. Right. It's the Islamic revolution, not capitalism, but Islam. You have the Bolivarian movement in Latin America that has elements of Marxism, but also elements of the indigenous culture and tradition. Also a lot of influence with Roman Catholicism and liberation theology and classic Cold War Marxism. Leninism is not really around anymore. And so that's why a lot of this conservative media, it's frustrating to listen to because your typical conservative podcast consists of, you know, aren't these woke people really, really annoying? And they highlight something annoying or silly woke people are doing and then they're all communists. And then some Cold War horror show about millions killed by Mao and Stalin and all of this and then, you know, proof that some woke person somewhere had a copy of Mao's Red Book or quoted somebody and that's why the left are all bad. And it's completely silly. I mean, it's just completely silly. And it's embarrassing. It's really, really embarrassing that, that this is what passes for discourse in America. Because Marxism, Leninism is one of the biggest political movements in human history, really defined the 20th century. And there are all kinds of anti capitalist and anti colonial movements around the world that, that have a lineage that goes back to that, but have kind of moved on to a different approach. And in America we're, you know, it's like, oh, you know, Mamdani wants to give us free buses. Well, that's communism. Stalin killed a million people. It's like, oh God, you know, that's where we're at in America.

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Yeah, no, of course. And even like, look, a policy like Medicare for all right, that where in that is the transfer of the means of production from the private sector to the state. It's nowhere. You'd still have private doctors, you'd still have private pharmaceutical companies, you'd still have private hospitals, you'd still have private medical device companies, medical transport company, like, it would all remain in private hands. There is no fundamental transfer of the means of production, which means it's not communism. Like what you said is just so key that every government takes money and redistributes it. That does not make communism. And it's such a lazy argument because even when you look, I mean, you live in New York and when we see, you know, people go after Zoran Mandani or even these DSA candidates who just won, they do so in the laziest sort of half assed way, which is to just smear them as socialists or communists. Notice they, they don't really mention why it's, it's a bad thing that working people could get a rent freeze. They don't seem to really engage on like how this is gonna make your life worse. They say the landlords aren't gonna be able to fix the buildings, which of course is not true. I think people are leasing more corporate office space now than they were when Mandani took over, which was a complete rejection of their forecast. They said there's going to be this mass exodus in New York City, the companies are going to move out. Has not happened. So it's all just fear mongering over a word. And I guess that resonates with people who are, look, I don't say this to pick on the boomers. It's just you guys are the ones who are old enough to have these horror stories in your mind about what communism is. I think that explains a lot of the generational divide. At what point are we going to be able to just move past this? Especially since there is no communist threat, if you even want to call it that. There is no meaningful communist movement in the United States. Certainly none represented by the dsa. Like I said, they're barely even socialists. They're really social democrats. Right?

C

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I mean, you go around the world, governments have free bus systems all over the world. You know, the Canadian health care system, as you said, Medicare for all, that would just be the government as a single insurer. There would be no government run hospitals, there's no government run healthcare companies that are. I mean, it's just basically just the government is the single payer insurer. I mean, but yet we, we think that's communism. And, and, and then, right, there's that hypocrisy, right? You know, on the one hand, you know, Medicare for All or even Obamacare, which was, I mean, nowhere close to Medicare for All. Well, that's communism, right? We can't have that. It's communism, right. But then China, you point to the fact that China has had all these successes under the leadership of the Communist Party. Well, that's capitalism. I mean, it's like they've got government run banks, they've got huge government run industries, they have five year economic plans. Even private corporations are told what they can and cannot do in accordance with government overall planning of the economy. That's total free market capitalism. So you can't, you know, celebrate their success and say it's an example of that. And then of course, if you ever bring up, you know, the problems of capitalism in America, these same people say, well, that's because we don't have real capital. Right, we're socialist. But then they'll point to America's wealth and prosperity and say, oh, well, we're so rich because we're capitalists. I thought you said we weren't really capitalist. The constant moving of the goalpost. It's nostalgia. And you know, when you talked about boomers, it's, it's not even that these kids, they grew up as kids fearing communism. It's, it's that, that they used to feel good about America. And that's really what it gets down to, that they used to feel like America was the good guy in the world, that we were fighting the commies. Ronald Reagan was making America great again. We thought when the war happened that we were the good guys. Nobody feels that way anymore. They just don't. Right. I mean, you showed the polls earlier in the earlier segment we did in America. We think America is the greatest threat to world peace. People just don't feel good about this country and its political and economic system anymore. And so Trump getting up there and talking like he's in the middle of the Cold War is a way to like, remind them of a time when they felt differently. And you know, it's sad because people want to like their country. I don't think there's anything wrong with being patriotic. I don't think there's anything wrong with loving your country. You know, and that people want to feel like their leaders are doing the good thing. They want to feel like they're on the winning team, their country is doing good in the world. But it's not. And we all know it's not. And that's the crisis that we're in. And I think Trump is banking on a lot of boomer nostalgia. And the thing is this is only going to work. I mean, give it 10, 15 years. This kind of rhetoric is just, isn't going to cut it anymore, anymore, you know, and I mean, I mean, the demographics are changing. I mean, you know, he's talking about communism is when the government gives you a free house the rate of home ownership in America is plummeting. You know, people our age don't own our own homes. So you're saying, well, communism means we'll get to own our own homes. Well, that doesn't sound so bad now, does it?

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Yeah, no, it's a really, it's a really interesting point that it's more an invocation of national pride than it is an appeal to any sort of, like, economic kind of analysis. You know, I think, I think that makes a lot of sense because it's not so much nostalgia for the golden age of capitalism as it is nostalgia for the golden age of America. And, and, and a longing to perceive America as a force for good in the world, the way they grew up thinking.

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And.

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Yeah, we just covered in a previous segment, Even within the walls of the empire, people don't. Don't feel that way anymore.

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Anymore.

C

Yeah, no, totally. And that's the crisis. We're in a moment of extreme pessimism. You know, I remember I, I grew up in a small town. In the 90s, there used to be this thing that everybody knew, America is the greatest country in the world. And you'd say, well, what do you mean it's the greatest country in the world? They'd say, you don't think America is the greatest country in the world. You must be brainwashed. Because everybody, you know, and that, that if you disagreed with u. S. Foreign policy, they'd say, you hate America, you hate America. And like, what did that even mean? It was just this thing that people just went around with this America was this great thing. And if you were questioning things too much and you must hate America, you must be brainwashed. Because everybody knows America is great. People just don't feel that way anymore. I mean, the culture on the left or the right, that's just not how people feel. People realize we're in a pretty big crisis. Wherever you go in this country, people know three things. One, our standard of living is going down, our life expectancy is going down. Our economy is getting worse. Two, our freedoms are being taken away, our civil liberties. The government is coming for us. And three, there's wars going on around the world that are not being waged for our benefit. And then our government's controlled by a group of billionaires and monopolies and wealthy people that really don't care about us. Everybody knows that in America in their bones. Left, right, red state, blue state. That's what everybody knows. The question is, what do we do about it? That's the question.

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Exactly. All Right, so we got one more piece. I'll reset here. Welcome to the Jimmy Dore show, everybody. Keaton Weiss here with Caleb Maupin. So, Caleb, your new book is a series of writings and lectures of yours called Imperialism and Anti Imperialism. And I think in particular the Jimmy Dore show audience would be interested to learn about this because this is a very viewpoint diverse audience on this show. We have kind of a viewpoint diverse audience on our show as well. But I think this really speaks to some of the big issues that sort of transcend so called divisions between left and right as they're currently described today. So I'll just read a few paragraphs from the introduction, which you did not write. This was written by a guy named Noah Shank, right, wrote the introduction to your book here. So Caleb became the spokesperson for former US Attorney General Ramsey Clark during the Occupy Wall street occupation of Lower Manhattan from September to November of 2011. It was during this time that Kayla began to see the weaknesses of the radical left. When the Obama administration orchestrated the Arab Spring and subsequently participated in the NATO military deposition of the African leader Muammar Gaddafi, he became increasingly frustrated with the reaction of many leftists. Because the Arab Spring was framed as a glorious revolution from below, and because Obama was doing it, many on the left refused to criticize it. Many more went so far as to support it. Workers World Party, pandering to the crowd of liberals, wrote articles that opposed the intervention but framed Gaddafi as a bourgeois nationalist. Caleb was furious as the party did almost nothing to oppose the destruction of Libya and instead focused on tailing after trendy liberal causes while the left abandoned Gaddafi. Figures like Alex Jones had Cynthia McKinney on his show to support the Libyan people, and libertarians pointed to Gaddafi's plan for an alternative African bank. This moment stuck with him for years. Friend of mine, his name is Anish Shivan. He was a great writer. One of his critiques of the Bernie Sanders movement, as much as he was a supporter of it, he said it does not address the question of empire. Even though you had this left wing movement in the United States, there is an unwillingness to address the problem of empire, not only as a moral problem, but as a sort of root cause preventing the kind of social democratic reforms that the Bernie movement was advocating. And so in the introduction to this book, it mentions Occupy Wall street, which in many senses was sort of the precursor or the prologue to the Bernie campaign. And you mentioned that from that point through the destruction of Libya, you became very disillusioned with what the book Here refers to as the quote, unquote, radical left. And so this book here, imperialism versus anti imperialism, kind of suggests what I think is a major theme of the Jimmy Dore show and shows like it that really emphasize not that there's no difference between the left and the right, but that those differences are sort of subservient to the more transcendent differences between imperialism and anti imperialism, what is often framed as establishment versus anti establishment. And nowadays, especially since October 7th and the Israeli genocide in Gaza, left versus right is really not a very good predictor anymore of imperialist versus anti imperialist. Not as much as you would think. And so I know that's a lot there, but you got a 500 page book about it, so you could take that wherever you'd like. Do you see? I'll try to narrow down the question a bit more. Do you see a broad coalition forming in the United States or around the world for that matter, that sort of transcends these old sort of formal political boundaries, Left, right. Into something a little bit more transcendent than that?

C

Well, you know, that introduction is referring to, you know, the destruction of Libya. I was in the Occupy Wall street park in lower Manhattan when the news came that Gaddafi was killed. And there was a big divide in the park between who thought that was great news and who thought that was a travesty. And it was a class divide. You know, the people that supported it were the people that were very well dressed. I used to call them beautiful occupiers, right? These people that were being paid by some big foundation to run the protest. And they came there every day in their, their nice clothes and told us where to stand and where to go and coordinated with MSNBC to tell them where to put the cameras. And they all thought it was great. And they were all tied in with, you know, and a lot of them had been in other countries staging protest movements in Syria and other places and openly bragged about this. A lot of the, the people that were involved in destroying the former Yugoslavia otpor and such, you know, we're, we're kind of running things. This is the George Soros Revolution Incorporated apparatus that, that largely runs American leftism in a lot of ways. But then there were a lot of people like me. I'm from the Midwest, I'm from a small town in Ohio. A lot of people like me who had come to New York City on a Greyhound bus because they wanted to be part of a movement who saw Gaddafi as somebody who was fighting the system, as someone who was building an independent African bank as somebody who, who, you know, who had raised his people up and was opposing the status quo. And a lot of them were libertarian in their perspective or into what you might call conspiracy theories or whatnot, but they got it. They were on Gaddafi's side, whereas the establishment left was on the side of imperialism. And, and that really stuck with me. But what you're referring to and this, this, you know, when you talk about Jimmy Dore and our willingness to work with people on the right to oppose wars and kind of a populist, anti establishment movement movement, something is happening right now and it's happening in every political movement. This is happening among libertarians, it's happening on the right, this is happening on the left. Is that, that people with the same ideology are on opposite sides of issues. There are, there were people on the left who supported Julian Assange and there were people on the left who didn't. There were libertarians who supported Julian Assange, there were libertarians who didn't. There were right wingers who supported Julian Assange and there were right wingers who didn't. And whether it's the war in Iran, the war in Ukraine, you know, the attacks on our civil liberties, I mean, you can. Every move is being divided and they're using the same ideology, but they're on opposite sides. This is very similar to what happened in the lead up to the Second World War. And that's a little bit eerie for, you know, we should, that's, that should raise some alarm bells. But in the lead up to the Second World War, you know, if you were a leftist and you liked President Roosevelt and you liked Stalin and the labor movement, you want to build socialism, you could join the Communist party. And if you were a leftist and you wanted to build the labor movement and you were inspired by the Russian revolution, but you hated Roosevelt and thought he was a sellout, and you hated Stalin and you thought the Soviet Union was bad, you could join this other communist movement called Trotskyism, right? And it had the same ideology, they read the same books, but they were on opposite sides in World War II. And as World War II was getting started, Trotsky was telling his followers to launch an anti war movement and, and he was, you know, coordinating to try and disrupt the U. S. War effort as World War II got going. But this happened on the right as well in Britain. If you were a conservative, traditional, patriotic young man in Britain and you wanted people to be more moral and loyal to their country, you could join the British Union of Fascists the Black shirts led by Oswald Mosley and they loved Hitler and they thought Hitler was great. But if you were a conservative, traditional British person and you didn't like Hitler, but instead you wanted to work with Roosevelt and you wanted to maybe trade with the Soviet Union, you could join moral rearmament or the Oxford group, which was a very similar movement that carried the British flag around, that was pushing traditional morality and conservatism, but was on the opposite side in New York City, the Black Liberation movement. You had the Harlem Renaissance going on and many black Americans were upset about Jim Crow and upset about the oppression of black people, wanted to do something about it. And religious organizations have a real important, you know, you know, role in the black community. And the Nation of Islam was very critical of the U.S. government in World War II. They didn't view Japan as their enemy, as a non white empire. And they, they were certainly critical of, you know, perceived, they perceived the way that a lot of Jewish folks donated to the, the black liberation movement as, as improper, et cetera. So the Nation of Islam was, was rather critical of the allied side during World War II. But there was Father Divine who is a black liberation minister based in Harlem who supported Roosevelt and worked closely with the Communist Party and he was building a black liberation movement that was pro Soviet Union and pro Roosevelt. And that every ideology is dividing because there are different sides in the world. And that's happening right now just like it happened in the lead up to the Second World War. And that should raise some alarm bells because there are two sides in the world right now. There is a new economy that has emerged as a result of the anti colonial revolutions. I mean it wouldn't be here without the Soviet Union, without the Bolsheviks, you know. And after the Russian Revolution, the Bolsheviks convened the Congress of the Peoples of the east in Baku, Azerbaijan. They said, we'll support anybody who's fighting the British Empire, anyone who's fighting Western colonialists. They supported the Amir of Afghanistan, a conservative monarchist, because he was battling the British Empire. And, and it was the Soviet Union that gave aid to the people of the African continent fighting for their national liberation. They gave aid to the people in the Pacific, anywhere people were fighting against imperialism. And as a result of what happened in the 20th century with the Soviet Union, you have the brics world, you've got the brics economy, you've got the belt and road from China, you got the Eurasian Economic Union of Russia, you got the Bolivarian alternative of Latin America, you've got the axis of resistance in the Middle east, the forces battling Israel aligned with Iran, like the Houthis, Ansar Allah, etc Hezbollah and Lebanon. You've got this whole new world that has broken out of imperialism. And then on top of that you've got the dying Western financial system. And the way the Western financial system is trying to maintain its dominance is with de growth. They're saying stop growth. We need to stop growth. Because if humanity keeps growing and expanding, they're not going to be at the top anymore. And so they're pushing in the name of environmentalism and climate alarmism, but also in the name of other stuff, this idea that we have just the world has got to stay poor, we've got to stop economic growth. And if you look at these wars they wage, that's what they're doing. These are countries that broke out of imperialism like Iraq, like Libya. The target countries they're targeting like Russia, like China, like Venezuela, that, that were fighting to grow, to have economic growth, to assert their economic growth. And they are fighting to keep these countries impoverished. At the same time, they're setting up a low wage police state here in the Western countries and they're telling us we should just get used to impoverishment, right? You'll own nothing, you'll live in a pod, you'll eat bugs and you'll be happy about it, right? That's their, their dark vision, right? That they have to stop growth in order to maintain their system. Well, the people around the world want economic growth. They want their children to have a better life than they had. And Americans, we also want economic growth and the deep state and the American establishment is trying to stop economic growth and set up a police state. And the divide in the world is between the dying Western system that is trying to stop growth and trying to, you know, just kind of shove the baby back into the womb. Just trying to, trying to stop humanity from expanding and growing and humanity's inherent drive to grow and create and expand. And that is the conflict and it's, it's getting to a head, right? I mean we're seeing places like Ukraine where this conflict is on the battlefield. In Donbas, we're seeing, you know, the war between the USA and Iran. That's the conflict in the world today is between the rising new economy that wants economic growth and the dying Western system of monopolies that are trying to stop growth. The Americans want growth. America is the land of live your dreams and work hard and fulfill your opportunity. People from all over the planet have come to America because they want growth, they want A better life. And now they're telling us no, we just have to accept poverty. Well, we're not going to do it. And I believe the American people will join the people of the world and their struggle against globalism, imperialism and that we will have an anti monopoly coalition in America. Americans that want economic growth and want to trade with the countries of the world that are breaking out of this. The only future America is going to have will be as part of a new economy where we trade with countries around the world on the basis of Win win cooperation. America must join the rising new world. We must find a way to be part of a multipolar world where we're friendly with Russia, we're friendly with China, where we trade with them. Why don't we hire China to build high speed railway across America? Wouldn't it be great if you could get on a train in New York City in a few hours, get off in Los Angeles, Wouldn't that be amazing? You know, and if China was our friend, we could do something like that. And you know, but, but this Western system is going to hold on to power and it's going to be very vicious in order to do it. But I believe the American people overwhelmingly are starting to understand that their interests are not with this Western system. The people of the world are resisting it and we're headed for a big moment. I think the American people are waking up and I think there's an explosion coming and it's not going to be people like you and I that make this explosion. I know a lot of people are listening right now, but that's good. But, but ultimately it's going to be the conditions. You have to imagine that there's a giant boulder that's about to roll down the mountain. And it's common. The question is where is it going to roll? And guys like you and I, with our understanding of world events and our, our ability to, to talk to people, we have the ability to nudge that boulder in the right direction. And the explosion is coming. The question is where does the explosion go and can it lead to something better? And I think people like you and I and my organization, the center for Political Innovation, we're dedicated to making sure that when the explosion comes, it leads to something better. We want to nudge the boulder in the right direction. And that's ultimately the task that we've been handed by history. And I think it's a challenge and that, that pessimism is a great place to hide. If you say there's no hope, the world is going to hell. That's great because there's no obligation on you, but I don't believe that that's the case. I believe we can change the world, but we have to step up and take responsibility and say, look, we can, we can change the course of history. And I think we can do it because the explosion is coming. So that's what I'm all about. And I call this perspective which draws from Marxism, Leninism, which draws from the history of anti colonial movements. We call it innovationism, the celebration of human creativity and growth. The idea that human beings are a unique species that has done what no other species can do in terms of reinventing our relationship with the environment. That's what my organization, CPI is all about. That's what my new book goes into in great depth. And we've got a great organization. We're having a convention Aug. 15 in Chicago, some special guests. It's going to be a great day and we're doing good stuff. And Anti Imperialism, A New America Beyond Globalism and imperialism. That's the kind of future we need to advocate.

A

All right, well, the book is Imperialism and Anti Imperialism. Caleb, thanks so much for joining. Let people know where they can follow you before you sign off here.

C

Sure. Well, my group is the center for political innovation, CPI USA.org you know you can visit me. I'm on YouTube streaming like every night and I'm on on Twitter and Facebook. My name is Caleb Maupin. C A L E B M A U P I N I'm always doing different stuff. I've got a lot of books out there. But we're building a movement. What this country needs more than anything is a movement. There's a lot of great podcasts out there, but it's time for us to get ready for the the coming explosion and build the movement of Americans who can work together and cooperate to spread anti imperialism, carry out real operations. That's what needs to be done and that's what I am dedicated to building as difficult as it might be.

A

Alrighty. Well, great to see you. Always learn so much talking to my friend. Thanks for being here today and we'll talk again soon.

C

Sure thing.

A

Alrighty. Thanks Caleb. Bye Bye. Caleb up and everybody. Always great to talk to Caleb. Had a great time this afternoon. We got plenty more coming this afternoon. We're going to take a quick, quick break and be back with Kurt Metzger. All right everybody, we are back. Got a few chats and rants to read before we bring Kurt in. Funky Lollipop says Caleb is right. Blowback is real. What do we. What we do to other countries will inevitably come back to us. That's right. One. Mr. Angel One says defined democracy. Didn't it start with Greek landowners? By the way, who was going to CPI Convention and Chicago, August 15th? That's right. They're having their big convention. Vienticus says, I'm glad I voted for the guy. I did, because he's doing the thing I didn't want the other guy to do. Your political teams in a nutshell. Everything's a scam, everything's a lie, everything. Wait, who the fuck is this guy? Says Vienticus. John McCarthy says the Uhuru 3 appeal is coming up July 22nd in Atlanta. We are packing the courthouse. CPI will be there. Are Jimmy and Keaton coming? Well, I. I'm not gonna be at the courthouse, but thanks for letting me know about that. I knew that was in the process of happening. I might want to have somebody from Uhuru on to discuss that. As I understand they are off parole. They're basically free, but they're looking to get that conviction overturned, which they should. Ganon2d says, Join CPI and sign up for the August week of anti imperialist training. CPI is full of interest, interesting, devoted and smart people. Real anti imperialists. Thank you, Eric Husso says, I don't think Trump's version of communism is what Jackson Hinkle was envisioning with maga. Communism. No, I think you're right about that. The Enticus says, don't tell me to be for or against anything. I don't understand. I'll be for, against it all I want. I'll point out again, calm, together, unuse one ism. Practice. It means nothing specific. Penny Arco says, I learned about a lot about DPRK from CPI. We'll learn more at the convention August 15th. Thank you for those chats. All right, everybody, let's bring in our friend here. Kirk, Colorado. Curb, Colorado. Thanks for making time for us today.

D

I'm a hardcore communist and radical Islamic. Says, you know now. Yeah, two episodes. I was radicalized.

A

Islamo Communist. Kirp, Colorado.

D

Yes. In the Jackson Engel sense of the word.

A

Yes. Tidy, tidy beard, though. Very well kept beard for an Islamic.

D

It's not. I. I do have to give another. I gotta get ready.

A

Yeah, right. See if your mic is the computer mic or if it's yours.

D

This every time.

A

Yeah, I make them.

D

It's not the right one.

A

It is or it isn't.

D

I waited. I should wait to get a better mic.

A

Now it's good now. It's good. That happens to me all the time. Happens to me all the time. Sometimes, you know, if I'm doing a solo show, I'll have my mic muted and I'll talk for two or three minutes and then I won't realize.

D

Oh, I wish.

A

Tim Paul Yeah, yeah, exactly. He should, he should explore that, that technique for sure. All right. Well, so let's do some material, shall we? This is a funny story. This is a funny story. Welcome to the Jimmy Dore show, everybody. Keaton and Kurt in for Jimmy while he is away. So this has been going on now for quite a while. There's been a lot of intrigue around the whereabouts of Mitch McConnell. McConnell's health emergency sparks questions on whether he will return to the Senate. This is from a few days ago. Emergency dispatch audio indicating that someone at Senator Mitch McConnell's home in Washington, D.C. suffered cardiac arrest earlier this month has raised questions about when the former GOP leader will return to the Senate or whether he will return at all. McConnell's office has provided few details about his health status, but reported a few days ago that he, quote, appreciates the outpouring of support he's receiving while he continues his recovery in the hospital. His office on Thursday also said the 84 year old senator, quote, continues to improve and is working closely with his staff on Kentucky and Senate matters while the Senate is out of session. But the scant detail about what sent him to the hospital on June 14, combined with the alarming audio from an emergency dispatcher, has fueled speculation that McConnell's condition is much worse than his staff has acknowledged. So here is the audio several minutes after the initial call to the dispatch. Ems. So let's take a listen.

C

Communications, you start me a supervisor.

A

CPR in progress.

D

Okay.

C

EMS to respond for cardiac arrest 217 in Charlie. EMS 2 response for cardiac arrest two 17C3 North Eastians in Charlie, cruise of

A

Second street and Channel 11, eight 43

C

medic three RVMs two coming.

A

All right, but you know, Washington is in damage control mode. Here's Scott Jennings revealing details from his 17 minute phone call today with Mitch McConnell from the hospital. Yeah, he called me this morning before I did that radio on my radio show. We talked for about 17 minutes. He claims they talked about Iran, Ukraine and what's going on in Europe.

D

Why does he have a radio show

A

before I did my radio show? What's the name of it? Salem Media. The, the, the Israel backed show there. Yeah, I mean that's, that's where the real money is not in cnn. You gotta get that. I get, get those real shekels on the Israeli radio.

C

Yeah, he called me this morning before

A

I did my radio show.

C

We talked for about 17 minutes. You know, he talked a lot about the situation with Iran. Talk a little bit about Ukraine and

A

what's going on in Europe.

C

I told him I'd been to the Teddy Roosevelt Library. We talked a little bit about the history of the Vice presidency and Roosevelt, that modern presidency, a little history of the Senate.

D

Is that really what they did?

C

I mean it was a, you know, it was a wide ranging conversation.

A

I talked actually. He's actually joining the DS. He's joining DSA. He, he told me he's working on a seven part series on Portuguese colonialism in 16th century Indonesia. He's very excited about that.

D

Why don't you ask me about.

A

Surprised? Yeah, why don't you ask me about that?

D

I could be at home crushing right now.

C

It's.

A

It's three in the afternoon.

D

Oh my God. I'm gonna take another swig off my jar of Bloody Mary and then I am going to go fuck my wife. Good day

A

to him often.

C

I hadn't talked to him since he'd been in. I'd gotten a few text messages from him, but I hadn't spoken to him.

A

So it was good to hear his voice.

C

Voice sounded strong and sounded like he was keeping up with the news to me.

E

Did you ask him how he was

D

feeling and the olds.

C

Yeah, he said, you know, he said he was feeling okay, you know, obviously well enough to call me on the phone and obviously well enough to talk to Barasso and th. Now look, I'm not, not qualified to discuss any medical issues or give you any information about that that's really for him or his, his staff to do. But you know, I'm time to time.

A

Not like this is a news show or anything. Not like I comment on the news. You think if I have something value to report, like the health status of a senator heading into a campaign season with the deadline to replace him in a special election coming up in less than a month, you know, it's not like I'm gonna comment on that. I'm just gonna tell you what I talked about with him. Like the history of the Vice presidency. Yeah, yeah, that's, that's the newsworthy content here.

D

I'm sure, I'm sure that's what was on Mitch's mind after a heart attack.

A

After a heart attack. Yeah.

D

I was just thinking about the Vice presidency history. Oh, me too.

A

Yeah, all right.

D

We didn't talk about anything else.

A

Yeah, we didn't talk about anything else. That's it. That's it. I have nothing else. I have nothing else to say. I don't even know.

D

We didn't talk at all, if I'm being honest.

A

Yeah, exactly. I don't even know why I brought up that I talked to him. It seems like a bad idea in retrospect because now people are going to think I'm bullshitting about what we talked about, because I am.

C

I mean, I see him from time to time and, you know, we had a conversation today about the things that we normally talk about, which are news of the day, political stuff.

E

Did you come away feeling like he's still capable of serving the people he

D

heard you had a heart attack?

C

Feeling that he was staying on top of the news again? I. I look his, his.

A

I asked him what he was wearing. I was. I was curious because, you know, he's in hospital. Hospital attire. I asked him if he tied the back of his hospital gown or if you could see his ass crack straight away. He said he did not. That was very hot. That was very hot. I was getting changed for the show. I was in my usual, you know, suit and blue tie condition.

C

And why he's in the hospital or when he might come out or.

A

Look, that's, That's.

E

Do you know why and are just

C

saying you're not at liberty to share? I do not know why. I only know, frankly, what has been reported or what his office has said.

A

So this was.

C

It was a personal, private call.

D

But.

A

But I didn't.

C

I didn't probe him too deeply for his medical records.

A

It's a personal, private call. I just made it so I can come out here and tell you that he's not dead. But I'm not going to tell you beyond that. Anything that we talked about, like, how is he doing?

D

You know, so constituents, anyway, missiles. Like, who needs to know this? Who's voting for him?

B

Him?

D

No, I can't imagine actual people live in the district where he is.

A

Well, well, nobody anymore. He. He's retiring. So here's the thing. He's retiring this year. There's going to be an election in Kentucky in November. But if he should die or be considered like, brain dead or incapacitated before August 3, then they have to have a special election, not just the November election. And so the theory is they're afraid that if that should happen, maybe Thomas Massie would run in the special election which would step on the November election because at that point he could win before then, whereas now they have this guy Andy Barr, who's running. So that's, that's the theory is that they, they are stalling until August 3rd, because if he is pronounced dead after August 3rd, then they just wait until the November election anyway and they're all good. So that's, that's, that's the, that's the theory is that it's, it's weekend at Mitch's now for the next three and a half weeks, they're going to have to pretend that this guy is not dead.

D

How many of these is it? They're piling up.

A

Yeah, there's a lot of dead people.

D

Was unreal. That was like, you could actually see the puppet.

A

Like, no, they're going to have a lot of dead people in the House and the Senate now. In fact, maybe we can issue a force the vote campaign around dead people. You know, there's gonna be. Soon there'll be enough dead people in Congress to force a vote for Medicare for all. You know, if everyone who's dead in the House promises not to vote for the next speaker unless they offer a Medicare for all vote, then we can, we can make this happen. So maybe we should have, start a campaign. We should start petitioning our dead elected officials. That's what we want them to do. Nothing to lose. Yeah, exactly.

D

Yeah. I want to, I want a law where you just have to hold a mirror under their nose before every vote.

A

Yeah, exactly. So here's. What's her name, Casey Hunt, kind of calling his bluff here a little bit. She asks Scott Jennings if he can call Mitch, if he can call Mitch McConnell right now to, you know, a proof of life.

C

Come on.

E

To call into the show. Could we get him on the phone now?

C

You know, I wasn't really expecting him to call this morning, to be honest. So when the phone rang and I was able to talk to him, I was, I was frankly pretty grateful. I mean, as I, as I said, I've known him since I was.

A

It's not what she asked. She asked, can you call him now? Let's, let's watch that one more time. Do you think he'd be willing to

E

call into the show? Could we get him on the phone now?

C

You know, I wasn't.

A

We're trying to make sure he's alive, you know, United States Senator. We're trying to make sure he's not dead. I was able to talk to him, get him on the phone. Wow.

C

I mean, it's like as I Said I've known him since I was a teenager.

A

I think that would be.

D

Ew. You noticed that you were a teenager. That. Guilty. Okay, wait, that laugh. Do we need to have a butt? I know Jimmy's gonna want a button of that laugh that he did after she asked that. That's the one. You don't have an answer laugh. That was.

A

Oh, yeah, yeah. Oh, hey, see, you stole for time. Laugh. Yeah. Well, you know, like I said, history is. Is mounting here. Republican Congressman says he doesn't know if Mitch McConnell is alive. Here's Representative Stutzman, I believe, from Indiana. Indiana. Let's take a look. A senator from Kentucky voting in the Senate chamber.

E

Do you know that he's alive?

A

I don't.

C

You know, just the things that I've

A

heard and seen from some friends is that he's obviously not doing well, but don't know if he's alive or has passed away. Are you allowed to. Anybody watching? Are you allowed to call out of work, dead. Are you allowed to just, you know, disappear? Whether or not you're dead? That's. That's a good excuse, I guess, to miss work is if you might or might not be dead, but that.

D

Kidnapped by God.

A

Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Iced by God. The Honorable Mitch McConnell. Okay, so this was a letter that the governor of the state, Andy Beshear, sent inquiring as to the status of Mitch McConnell. Now, Kentucky is one of these very rare states where it's a very Republican state, but they have a Democratic governor. And so when the Democratic governor was voted in, the legislature actually changed the law, which does not allow the governor to appoint a replacement for a dead Republican senator because the will appoint a Democrat when a Republican just died. So he is not empowered to appoint someone in place of Mitch McConnell. But there is this deadline coming up August 3rd that determines whether or not a special election can take place. So. Dear Senator McConnell, over the past several weeks, Kentuckians have grown increasingly concerned about the current state of your health and well being and ability to hold office in the United States Senate. As governor, I request that you fully update Kentuckians regarding the current status of your health. As public office holders, we have made a commitment to our constituents to do our best to represent them and almost to be transparent. I believe this requires clear communication about one's ability to serve. We wish you a safe and speedy recovery. So here is how things can proceed. Based on how things transpire over the next few weeks, Adam Cochran tweets. There are at least two reasons they might not want to update us on McConnell's condition. In Kentucky, a special election to replace a senator will not be called if it's closer than three months till the next election. That date is August 3rd. If McConnell's condition is clearly unfit for office, they'd hide that to avoid being forced to submit a resignation letter until after that date. If McConnell has not regained consciousness or has the chance of oxygen induced brain death and is on artificial life support, they would try. And in Kentucky, brain death is legally considered death under Kentucky Revised Status 446-400. So I guess you can be legally dead in Kentucky, just like you can be legally blind, but not entirely blind. You could be legally.

D

Yeah. Do you think that it'll be like. Now, I'm not hoping for this because that would be wrong, but like a real drawn out Terri schiavo thing with McConnell.

A

Yeah, they'll have. Exactly.

D

He's alive. No, he's not alive.

A

That's the only way this can be. Yeah, that's the only way this could get more like darkly funny is if it becomes a Terri Schiavo thing where you have all these preachers come on TV and advocate. No, he should be kept alive. Of course, you should not put him until.

D

And then, and then they drop it the day after the deadline.

A

A life is a Life. And then August 4th. All right, that's it. Get him out of here.

E

Year.

D

Because how could they, after the deadline, say he's dead, brain dead, even. How could they even get away with that after.

A

Because I guess they figure it's Kentucky, like we're going to win the seat, so whatever. Like there's, there's no political price to pay because you're right. Like it's the most transparently cynical thing you can do is just hide him until August 4th and then announce he died suddenly. He was getting better. You know, he held out. He. He personally bought, he persevered. He, he fought to keep Thomas Massie out of the Senate. He refused to die as long as Thomas Massie had a chance of running for Senate. That was enough to keep him going. That's how evil Massey is. Is that. Kept going. Yeah.

D

McConnell made time to call his former teenage boy companion turned radio host.

A

Yeah. Yeah, exactly.

D

What could be cooler than hanging out with Mitch McConnell as a teenage boy

A

called and reminisced about our time we met on Epstein. Yeah. So it gets even crazier. Any two independent physicians may declare the patient dead for the purposes of the seat being vacated if the patient is only alive due to a ventilator and artificial Life support system. So this would explain why nobody's allowed to know what, what's going on. Because getting quantum now, even if he's not dead, right, if he's like in an iron lung or something like that, then that counts.

D

Schrodinger's Mitch.

A

Yes, Schrodinger's Mitch, exactly. Schrodinger's Wildcat, as they would say in Kentucky. But yeah, if, if it's discovered that he's being propped up, you know, artificially, then they could declare him dead. So that's why no one is, is allowed to, to know anything but his next of kin, Chow. So his wife, Elaine Chow, would need to be involved in the process of treatment and testing and final decisions to end support for that path to be viable. So his wife would be involved in the decision making as to whether or not he could be legally declared dead for purposes. Asian wife, United States Senate. Well, Chinese wife from Taiwan, she, she lambed it to China three days after his hospitalization. So she's not available. She's not available to make any kind of decision like that. She just happened to split for China three days after her 84 year old husband had a heart attack. Yeah, well, I, she's not nearly that old. She's not.

D

Her sister died from backing into the lake or lost control of her car suddenly and reversed into the lake by their property. Remember that?

A

I don't remember that.

D

Oh, there's so much weirdness around Mitch McConnell. Where, where to even begin?

A

Elaine Chow, 73. 73, all right.

D

I thought she was life left in her. That old bird. She could find a man now.

A

I thought she was younger. I thought she was like 55 and he was 84. I thought he was a pimp. Mitch McConnell. I guess not. I guess 73 is not.

D

I bought her from a college. Grand Square.

A

Yeah. So is McConnell alive and well? Is he awake and functional? Is he a vegetable? Either way, I think they are trying to make sure we don't have the answer to that until after August 3rd. I think you're right. Well, it's getting a little harder now.

D

Oh, China. Not to have to talk to people, right.

A

She doesn't want to be reached so that she doesn't have to decide to put them on a ventilator or take them off life support or whatever. Like if she can't be reached, then there's no next of kin to reach out to, to figure out what to do with him. They're trying to kill this limbo.

D

I was like, oh, she killed him. I'm Totally off. That's what it is.

A

Yeah. No, it's. It's to stall for time. No, if she killed him, that would be very bad for the Republican Party because then Massey could run. Yeah. The goal is they, they. They don't want nothing bad happening to him for the next three and a half weeks.

D

Yeah, he's one of the best.

A

Exactly. Yeah, he's one of the best. That's the thing. He's the guy. He is one of the thorns in Trump's side, too. Like they talk about. This just shows you where they're true. True priorities lie. You know, McConnell has voted against so many of the Trump appointees. McConnell really soured on Trump after January 6th. So it's not like McConnell is a Trump ally. But the bosses, that is, the Israelis, do not want Thomas Massie in the Senate. So even if you are against Trump, they'd rather have you there than give Thomas Massie an opening to possibly make a run for it.

D

And they're smart to make it where it has to be total compliance and not even a. A fake. Show that some people are against it. Very smart move by them. And that's why they're doing so well in this conflict.

A

Right, Exactly. Exactly. But things got a little harder for them because this morning, video surfaced from a neighbor of Mitch McConnell being loaded into an ambulance without any kind of ventilator or respirator mask or whatever they put on people when they're in dire straits. So let's take a look at this video footage. Clash Report Clipped it from cnn. So there you go. Yes. Emergency responders took Senator Mitch McConnell to an ambulance on a stretcher after being called to his home last month for a report of an unconscious person. According to new video of the incident and an eyewitness account, a neighbor of McConnell told CNN that they opened their door to find commotion outside their home at around 8.30am on June 14, with two ambulances, a fire truck, and Capitol Police officers blocking the entire street. The neighbor said they asked officers what was going on, and the officers responded that there had been a, quote, medical emergency. But when the Neighbor inquired if McConnell was having a medical emergency, officers said they would block the street for anybody. The neighbor said they learned from another eyewitness who saw the individual's face that the person on the stretcher was McConnell and he was not wearing an oxygen mask. Now, that could mean, oh, he's healthy. Yeah, it could mean one of two things. It could mean he's healthy, or it could mean he's, oh, he's Getting better, you know. Yeah. Can mean the other thing, but that's China. Yeah, exactly. That's what we have on Mitch McConnell so far. So some darkly comic intrigue ahead of the home stretch of, of. Of the midterms.

D

But yeah, baby, Mitch Mitch is okay. That's how you do it in Mandarin. You go, Mitch Mitch. Like, you know, that's like putting a Y. It's like saying, Mitchie, your Mitch Mitch is better.

A

Maybe Mitch Mitch will make it three more weeks with God's blessing.

D

Oh, Mitch Mitch.

A

Yeah, exactly. All right, do we have any more. Any more chats come in? No, not yet. All right, if not yet, then we will move right on along then to our next.

D

I look communist as hell. I'm trying to get Tanner to look more Cuban Communist, you know.

A

You know, I. I once I. I bought a. A hat that kind of looked kind of like that. That looked very communist, but I think my head grew out of it. I don't know if I got fatter.

D

There's always that danger or whatever.

A

Yeah, some. For some reason. I mean, it was, you know, I had got it when I was like. I don't know, I was pretty young when I had it.

D

No, I gotta ask him. I gotta check, like, shoes to make sure there's growing room for my head whenever I get.

A

Yeah, yeah.

D

Like how your mom would do, like, shoes.

A

Yeah. Because I don't know if it's a thing where, like, you know, because I don't normally, like, keep a consistent hairstyle. Like, my hair get. I cut it short and then I grow it pretty long and I start over again.

D

Yeah.

A

So maybe it's when I have long hair. Squeezes my head tight. Yeah, yeah. But, you know, I think I have to stop doing that. I stop doing.

D

I don't want one haircut like my friend gets. He had the same haircut for, like, 20 years.

A

Well, it just, you know, I feel like, you know, if I'm on camera a lot, I should probably start paying a little more attention to my appearance than I. That I'm used to.

D

Well, I want people to know I'm a radical Islamist communist. And I don't know what better way

A

I have to start maintaining my look a little bit better. I think. I don't have a publicist, so I have to be my own publicist. So my publicist brain says, you know what? Don't just be so careless about your facial hair and your hairstyle.

D

Do something with yourself.

A

Yeah. Do something with yourself. Have a little pride in yourself. Yeah.

D

You just got Mogged.

A

Exactly. All right, let's move right on along here. All right, welcome to the Jimmy Dore show, everybody. Keaton and Kurt here while Jimmy is away. All right, if you've been on Twitter, you've heard about Andrew Colvitt of TP usa. Finally, now that the Tyler Robinson hearings are underway, finally has some questions about Tyler Robinson's lone role in Charlie Kirk's assassination. Andrew Colvett, who previously promoted the narrative the Tyler. Tyler Robinson, pardon me, acted alone in assassinating Charlie Kirk, now raises questions about holes in the official story. This shift prompts accusations of hypocrisy from critics, referencing evidence undermining the lone wolf narrative and ongoing preliminary hearing developments. So this is a video that I guess Andrew Colvett posted to his TikTok. So we'll take a look at the video and then we'll take a look at some of the comments dealing with

B

so many crazy accusations either leveled at Erica or myself or the organization or whatever, anything except for Tyler Robinson in this process that I haven't gotten a chance to articulate clearly what questions I still have outstanding that I want answers to.

A

So, you know, you would think for a Zionist controlled organization, they'd have more Jews on staff to teach them how to bullshit a little better than this. You could use a little bit of that Jewish bullshit, you know, like I could coach you through a better line of bullshit. Oh, I've been so. I've been so busy insisting that no one ask any questions about the Tyler Robinson case that I haven't even had time to think about asking questions about the tower.

D

That's a fair enough.

A

Yeah.

D

You know, why is it, first of all, for example, I've been so busy

A

working on my multiplication tables, I never thought to do my division tables because it's not like one has something to do with the other. Hey, if two times two is four, then what's four divided by two? Two. Yeah. I never had a. I. I never thought, never thought to think of it that way.

D

I would have just told you, shut it down right there. I don't know. She's a grieving widow now. I don't understand why a guy, you know, when somebody, I don't know how tall he is, but when somebody's like a normally full grown adult but with dwarfism head, he's got one of them deals like Jason Hervey from the Wonder Years where his head. He has the head of a. Who's the guy from Game of Thrones? A little glove guy.

A

Oh, he's got dinklage Head Dinklage. Dinkling.

D

He's got a dinkle. If you, if you look at his I do a lot of phenomenon analogy where I judge you by your bumps in your head. It's a side thing, but he has dwarfed on a grown. Yeah, yeah. Because it's a kind of woke of me, you know. Yeah, it's full circle with that, you know.

A

Yeah, exactly.

D

He's got dwarf head, though, for real.

A

Well, yeah, I mean, like I said, needs a little better coaching than this. All right, let's, let's, let's let him go.

B

I feel like I've been dealing with so many crazy accusations either leveled at Erica or my. Myself or the organization warfare or whatever, anything except for Tyler Robinson in this process that I haven't gotten a chance to articulate clearly what questions I still have outstanding that I want answers to. So here we go. Who knew what when? That's right. There is a lot of indication online that other people knew something was going to happen.

A

That guy could have had a career in law enforcement. Who knew what when Great detective work

B

there on September 10th, they posted on social media about it in really, really creepy ways. And none of those people have been held accountable. And I want to know why and what did they know and when. Another question I want to know the answer to is, was Lance Twigs more involved than we currently know? Right. We know that he's been given limited immunity for his testimony. It's going to be videotaped testimony and the preliminary hearing. But how much did he know and how much did he radicalize Tyler Robinson? Yeah, it seems. And I encourage everybody to go check it out. There's a Turkey Tom YouTube video where one of their friends that would hang out with them in their apartment seems to indicate that it was a really manic, disassociative, sort of morally corrupt, bankrupt environment that Tyler Robinson was living in. And twig to be. Seems to be the source for a lot of that. So did Tyler Robinson just do this crazy thing all on his own or did Lance Twix put him up to it? Was he a co conspirator? I want to know that because if it comes out that he was a co conspirator, I would love to see him held accountable for that and not be granted any immunity whatsoever.

A

Well, I mean, at. At the risk of, of just sending this conversation off the charts from an IQ standpoint, if he were to be a co conspirator, that would make the murder a conspiracy, right? That would make you a conspiracy theorist.

D

Well, I would Love to ask whether

A

he's a conspirator or not.

D

I gotta defend myself. I would love to ask that question, is it a conspiracy? But I have to defend myself from crazy conspiracy people. I have questions. Who, what, when, where, and why?

A

Yeah, who knew what, when, and was there more than one person?

D

How about that?

A

Even though until right now, apparently, that was a conspiracy theory, Now I'm wondering if maybe Lance Twigs was a co conspirator in this event. That was clearly not a conspiracy.

D

Yeah, it's weird he didn't get arrested too, right? Yeah.

A

Yeah.

D

Isn't that weird? I didn't even have time to think about it. Oh, God.

A

Great, great leadership at this organization here.

B

Question I have is, where did Tyler Robinson go immediately after taking the shot? Running off the rooftop and tossing the gun into the forest. Where did he go?

A

Is that weird question? Yeah.

B

As evidence that he was back on campus that night into the wee hours of September 11th. But where did he go immediately after? That's a big question. One of the questions that is really tough for me is why were those darn rooftops so accessible? First of all, why set up a building where you can just, like, go over a railing and get on a rooftop? That's one question. Why were there not cops planted out there? It's another question, and why were there not people spotting those rooftops? Now you might say, well, gee, Andrew, Turning Point had its own security. Well, guess what. The way you work with campuses is you only get to have immediate vicinity jurisdiction around the person that you're protecting. So I don't know what the exact distance was, but it's essentially like, let's say 30ft around Charlie's perimeter was what our personal private security was able to take care of. So we were relying on campus PD to monitor the ingress egress to the area and the rooftops. I want to know, why were they so accessible? And I know that I take a bunch of crap for this, but I want to know more about the. The rounds, the ammunition, the.36 rounds. I know that the comments are gonna

A

be filled with call me conspiracy, blah, blah, blah.

B

Well, the.

A

What did he say? You're gonna call me a conspiracy? I honestly. Okay, so, like, full disclosure. I'm not trying to, like, fool anybody here. You know, Jimmy has covered this story much more extensively than I have. And so when, you know, the team pitched me this, I was kind of flabbergasted as to what I was looking at, because that's how I felt. Dude, you almost don't Think it's a real video? Like you almost think it's a troll. You almost have to wonder like, is this AI? Did this guy really say this? After all this time, I wonder where

D

all the money went and why Charlie got killed after wanting an audit. You don't think I wonder. I don't have time because I'm being blamed for things.

A

Yeah, I'm being blamed.

B

I want to know more about.

A

Nobody has time anymore. This is the. It's the theme of the week, I guess, the holiday weekend. Whether you're in DSA or TP usa. You're just. You're really pressed for time nowadays.

D

I mean, right? Why wouldn't they be on the roof? That is a good question.

A

What's with the bullet that seems to be capable of taking the head off of Rhinoceros? Why?

D

Yeah, why did we all. Why. Why did none of us call 91 1? Is that weird?

A

It is weird. Why was there no ambulance there? Why was he taking away in an suv? You don't have an ambulance on site. An event with that many people, there's no ambulance around.

D

You know the weirdest part? We didn't even call the hospital. We were driving out of the way to. That was much further away.

A

Why was up.

D

We didn't call it there. I called my dad or some.

A

Yeah, why was a boomer lib screaming, shoot me, shoot me, shoot me. Like he was the killer. Dude, that was so being dragged in a way away by. By the cops when he didn't do it.

D

What about the guy taking the camera footage down who worked for tpsa and now we can't find it.

A

Yeah, they dig up the crime scene right after the scene of the. Right after the. Honestly happened. Yeah.

D

This whole thing stinks.

A

Yeah.

D

Between you and me, but I'm just getting all these crazy accusations towards me and Erica, you know.

A

You know.

D

Well, you know, huge cans.

A

Listen, you've been too busy. You have to take more time off. That's the thing is you don't. I know, have enough time.

B

The ammunition, the.30 06 rounds. I know that the comments are gonna be filled with. It was not a.30 06.

C

Blah, blah, blah.

B

Well, the ATF report confirms that. The medical examiner confirms that it was so. I know that won't be enough for anybody or at least a lot of people, but bear with me. Let's assume it was a 30 06. That is a powerful round. How old were the rounds? Were they hollow tip? Were they full metal jacket? I want to know everything. The point is that they broke into a bunch of different pieces inside Charlie. And that's partly the explanation. But I would love to know more information about that myself.

A

But that seems, but that's like, that's like impossible, right? Yeah, I mean, like it wasn't.

D

That was not 30 odd6.

A

I'm not pretending to be an expert here, you know, but that seems. That's impossible from everything. I think it was, I think it was Andrew Colby himself who said that. The, the, the examiner said it was a miracle. Right. I mean, he used that word to go.

D

He saved lives because he had such strong miracle bones in his neck. Bones, yeah. And so he was even saving lives at the end.

A

You know, miracles are a beautiful thing to believe in, but I believe in cover ups, not miracles.

D

It's just like weird. But no, I mean, the ATF said, and the thing they're not. No one can look at the evidence, but they're just saying it. And I know that's not going to be good enough for some people, but I'm like, I like to know more.

B

And finally, was there a larger network we hear about, you know? You mean a conspiracy of slc?

A

Oh, that took down a bunch of

B

their social media immediately after.

A

I know they canceled their cupcake making workshop the next day. The armed queers of slc, they took

B

down a bunch of their social media. I want to know, was there money? Was there outside sources? Were there more people that were involved in planning this? Still have a lot of questions. Thankfully we're getting a lot of answers too in the preliminary hearing and I hope more come out.

A

So you want to know if it was a conspiracy? That's what you want to know. Because even, even if Tyler Robinson bears some responsibility in this, you want to know if he acted alone or if there's more.

D

Yeah, it's just I don't have time because I'm being attacked all the time.

A

Right.

D

And Eric is being attacked, so I don't have time.

A

I would like to know. Yeah, here's some of the comments on a scroll. This was made into a video. Curious as to why you're just now asking questions.

D

Why did Mikey walk away? Was that weird?

A

Why did Mikey walk away? I don't know about the microphone. Who rigged the mic.

D

I think that's worth looking into.

A

Did you order the new pavers? He's nervous now. He's just now asked over everything immediately. I have nothing nice to say. It's a funny one.

D

I heard that underneath him was a pentagram. Is that weird?

A

Who did he talk to? From TP usa that they. Yeah, just kind of an endless, endless scroll here.

D

That's what I'm saying.

A

Of negative reactions in the comments. So Candace Owens replies. Lmao. After months of promoting influencers who effectively dismissed everyone who brought up the obvious holes in the narrative as conspiracy theorists, Andrew Colvitt is trying to rebrand himself as a. As rational and open to alternative perspectives. Sorry, Andrew, but the world has you and Blake pegged as liars and traitors to Charlie. There's no going back from it now. She says, despite the full force of the corrupt federal government, celebrity influencers, unlimited funds, and mainstream news networks, you guys lost the PR war to common sense. Spend the 30 pieces of silver and delete your accounts while the rest of us keep fighting for Charlie.

D

And then the weirdest thing. I had like 30. 30 pieces of silver. My account, I didn't have. We got it nowhere, dude.

A

Yeah.

D

Where'd it come from? I don't know.

A

Where'd it come from? Wait, I thought the mountain of evidence proving Tyler Robinson carried this out on his own was going to make everyone asking questions look really stupid. This is PR spin because the lone wolf narrative is cooked, says Zach Costello. And the Babylon BB says breaking. Andrew Colbert joins.

D

I'm just asking questions.

A

Yeah, no, it's.

D

I have questions.

A

Yeah, no, it's. It's kind of. It's kind of amazing to see a video like that. Like I said, you know, when, when the team pitched me this topic here, I looked at that and I'm like, no, that. He really. He really posted that. He really said, I have questions about the ammunition. Like, it's, it's kind of remarkable, but I guess, you know, when you look at, you know, their. Their posture this whole time, sooner or later there was going to be a hearing. Sooner or later, some of this was going to come to a head. Yeah.

D

Also, how come our address is a PO box in the desert? I felt like, that's weird.

A

Is there address a PO Box in the desert? You said it was a program.

D

I don't know.

A

I'm asking you about that before you have questions. Well, you know, you're.

D

I can't ask them because all the conspiracy.

A

I know. Yeah. Well, your problem is that you. You just, you know, you need. You need more time to yourself. You're overwhelmed. There's been so much. People have been spending so much time bringing this up to you that you haven't had time to think about it. That's essentially what he says. Yeah. People have been. Been so I've been So bombarded with people asking me about this that I haven't had time to think about it. That was essentially what he says at the. At. At the time at the top.

D

You know, I'm working on this Indonesia thing. I can't talk about it now, but,

A

yeah, it's like a landlord, you know, tenants have been, you know, taking up all my time telling me about how the plumbing doesn't work so much. So I haven't had time to fix the plumbing. I haven't had time to think about how to fix the plumbing because people have been bringing it up to me incessantly, non stop for the last year.

D

I heard Erica Kirk might be a clone. Dude, I don't know. I just died.

A

You don't know. I know. Well, you need more time.

D

It's weird, isn't it?

A

Yeah, a lot of weird stuff. A lot of weird stuff. As day two of the hearing wrapped up. Or was it day that. Yeah. Something. Something doesn't seem too right, does it? Right. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. All right, let's see what else we got here. We got some more super chats and Rumble rants over here. Profanosaurus Rex says, I wish we could have at least had Anne Hesh moment where they were rolling Mitch into this. The ambulance.

B

Thank you.

D

Pops up like, yeah, yeah, that would have been cool.

A

That would have been cool. Scott Jennings says, Mitch called me because his wife wasn't picking up the phone. Sometimes he hears some Chinese sounding gibberish. Thank you. P. Walker says wrt to Jennings. Claimed phone call from the turtle. Can I have that? Didn't happen for 800, Alex. Yes. Yes, indeed. Ovon, the King says. Love the show, man. Thank you, Ovon. The King bientica says. Keaton, my viewpoint diverges from yours on the notion that there are diverse viewpoints in the audience. Huh? Good one. Eric Husso says, when will Kurt be brought before Congress over the MK Derp program? Did you hear that?

D

Stopped a long time ago.

A

They want to subpoena you.

D

Don't do that stuff no more.

A

That's right. That's right. Okay, why don't we switch over to Rumble and then we'll continue on with the rest of the show. Kurt, if our guest arrives within the next few minutes, then we might just put you in the back for the next couple segments and then bring you back on. Is that cool? All right. Cool. All right. We'll see because we're. She's due in a few minutes, so we'll see what happens. Which order we go for? Uh, we go for, uh, with from there. But right now, we're gonna switch over to Rumble. Oh, there's Janine. Perfect. All right, Kurt. So we'll see in about a half hour. Uh, we're gonna switch over to Rumble, and we'll be back with our guest, Janine Eunice. All right, everybody, we are back. Thanks for being here. Over on Rumble, we are going to waste no time admitting our second guest of the day. Janine Yunus is the president and legal director for the American Arab Anti Discrimination Committee. She serves as she served. Pardon me. As a senior special counsel on the House Judiciary Committee's weaponization of government subcommittees investigation into the government's role in censoring speech on social media. She also co hosts the previously prohibited podcast and covers legal issues on substack@substack.com at. Janine Yunas, please welcome back to the show again. Janine Eunice. Jeanine, great to see you again.

E

Thank you so much for having me back. Of course, we'll say your introduction has more stuff than I'm actually doing right now because I got appointed president of ADC in April, and since then, some of the podcast and substack haven't been as prolific as I intended. That's all right.

A

We err on the side of. Of inflating the guests. So there you go. There you go. But you have stayed very busy. You stayed very busy. I remember last time we had you on this show was to talk about the ice killing. And today we're going to talk about Graham Platner. What's with. You can never just go with the flow? You can never just conform, you know, it's. You make your life a lot harder for yourself, I guess. I guess we all do. I guess that's common in this space. So just to catch everybody up here, woman who dated Graham Platner says he sexually assaulted her. This has caused, of course, the collapse of the Platner campaign. You tweeted out the left's reactions to the sexual assault allegation. Not a criminal charge, not a conviction against Graham Platner. Illustrate precisely while freedom for the Palestinians and an end to US Support for Israel will never come from the American left, all it takes is an accusation in a newspaper article and they're prepared to let Susan Collins win, to let the Zionist stranglehold on our government continue at the expense of lives in the Middle East. So that was Your initial reaction July 6th, 6th night of the news. And it has proven quite prescient because in the recent days, we've learned more about the reporting of this Platner scandal. So here is Mika Brzezinski asking Adam Wren, the co author of that political article, what made this story printable. And one of the things that she hammers on here were the text messages that Politico did not actually see between the alleged victim, Racicot or Racico, and Platner himself.

E

So what are some of those corroborating pieces of evidence? So you've got conversations with her therapist and people who she confided in. Any, any, any conversations with Graham Platner at the time of it where she said.

C

Because apparently as part of this story,

E

she says she even confirmed to him that this was not consent.

C

Do you have that? What, what do you have that actually

E

connects this literally, Graham Plotner.

D

Yeah.

E

To raping this victim?

D

Yeah.

C

She reached out to him the day after via Instagram and essentially, you know, told him that, you know, she didn't want to hear from again. She told him that morning as well. And, you know, we looked at messages that she had sent to others in the months after this happened through, but you were able to see those DMS. She tried to recover those DMs. We did not, we were not able to review those DMs, but she described them to us. We also, long before he was a public, before he was a political candidate, we saw her essentially explain to others that he was, quote, in her words, consensually careless, end quote.

A

And.

D

Right.

C

But were you able to see the

E

interactions between Graham Platner and. And this alleged victim? Did you actually physically see them?

C

Did she produce them for you?

B

She was.

C

She attempted to uncover them. She. But was unable to.

A

Took a lot to get that out of him, which is kind of strange because Mika was obviously unclear on that detail based on the Politico report, which does say that she was unable to reproduce the text messages between her and Platner. But if you look at just how like non forthcoming he is in that interview with the fact that, no, they didn't actually see the messages exchanged between Platner and the alleged victim. You know, you have argued cases in court. This is a case playing out in the court of public opinion. What in your mind should be the difference in how those two matters are perceived and how we evaluate evidence versus non evidence versus hearsay. And what led you to have such an instant reaction to this case?

E

Oh, man, there's a lot there. Okay. Well, first of all, I think the timing is extremely suspicious. So I'm not, you know, I'm not weighing in on Whether or not this happened the way that Jenny Rancourt. Is that her name? You know, I can't say in any conclusion fashion whether or not it happened. What I can say is there are hallmarks, works of reasons I think we should be skeptical about exactly what's going on here. First of all, there was a hit piece by the Times, an attempted hit piece a couple months ago about his previous relationships that I don't think landed the way the New York Times had intended. And you know, for people who aren't aware, I believe that establishment media like the New York Times is sort of part of the attempt to get rid of candidates like Platner who are somewhat anti establishment at least, and definitely, you know, have indicated that they would end support for Israel, which is a non starter for most of these establishment organizations or whatever. So that piece didn't really land the way they had hoped, I think, because it was like, I mean, everyone who read it was like, okay, this is like, he sounds like he could be a bad boyfriend. So what, I mean, do you have to be an ideal boyfriend now to be elected to the Senate? I don't really care. There are plenty of, you know, bad husbands and boyfriends in Congress and bad wives as well. So that didn't work. And then, so for them to escalate, I think a month or so later, already reads to me like, okay, we're trying to take this guy down. That one didn't work. Let's escalate this. So even if it happened, it's clearly being used for political purposes, which I don't like. And we know that there are plenty, you know, plenty of people that the precise figures who are trying to take down Platner, like Neera Tanden, were supportive of, like Andrew Cuomo and Bill Clinton and, you know, who have had allegations against them. So there's just a lot here that, that reads to me like something is up as far as, you know, the evidence itself. I mean, a lot of people are mixing up this present sense, exception, rule to hearsay, which means something that would typically be considered hearsay. So the person is not subject to cross examination, can be admissible at trial if it was a statement that was made at like around the same time or right after a traumatic event. The idea being that you're unlikely to have time to fabricate when something horrible just happened. But none of these, none of this was actually contemporaneous. None of what we've seen the therapist messages were years later. The message to the friend was a couple years later. And also Consensually careless. What does that mean? I mean, that could mean a lot of things, right?

A

Exactly.

E

You know, so there's just the whole thing looks like a political hit job.

A

Well, the therapist thing, that. That's the next thing that, that, that I want to get into.

E

Sorry.

A

Because. No, no, no, no, that's okay. I'm glad you. You brought it up. We call that a segue into business. So it worked out good. But yeah, the, the therapist point here is a more egregious example than the. Than the first one I just played where he was kind of hesitant to admit on television what they admitted in the article, which is kind of weird that he was as uncomfortable as. As he was admitting that to Mika, who I guess didn't read the article very thoroughly. But here he is mentioning the contact with the therapist. And here I think Politico gets caught in a much more significant distortion.

E

Adam Wren. Adam, I want to get right to the questions about this, the questions surrounding this on both sides of this debate. There's not a police report.

B

Correct.

E

Correct me if I'm wrong. And there's not a legal case playing out here for due process to see itself through. So my question to you, given the very high standards Politico has before they write something like this and publish it, what aspects of this story brought it to the light level of publishable?

C

Yeah, you're. You're correct here. M. There. There is no police report in this case. We spent a lot of time talking to Jenny, you know, asking her for cooperating evidence. She shared that she had confided into a number of people, including her therapist, in almost real time. And we reviewed email exchanges between she and her therapist, referring to what she called this, the sexual assault, and her therapist sort of acknowledging that this is. This had happened to her. We talked to people who.

A

Okay, now he says there that there were messages with the therapist in almost real time. I don't know if there's some legalese I'm not aware of, but to the layman, that makes me feel like the therapists exchange happened right around the time of the alleged incident. Am I wrong for thinking that?

E

No. I mean, any normal person listening to that would assume it was, you know, we're talking within a week or at least a couple of weeks. Not years, of course.

A

And not only was it not years, apparently this supposed corroboration with the therapist was last month, which was after the first round of smears came out in the New York Times. So let's, let's take a look at this.

C

Details where I was like, wow, this is devastating. Is. You told me the therapist verified her

E

comments and that didn't happen.

C

Right. That wasn't in the story. That's pretty. That was the room. That was the rumor. That was.

E

The rumor that was going around was

C

that the therapist could verify that at a time before he ran for office, that he. She could verify her allegation. And that's not what happened. And they reviewed emails, you know, between her telling the therapist that it happened in June.

B

In June.

C

June of this year. In June of this year, after she started working with Shane, they did talk to a friend, ex, boyfriend, who backed up her story. So that, you know, that's there.

E

And the Facebook message is there, too. But I don't know.

C

I mean, the therapist detail was kind of important. And I can read from the Politico article. So this is about the.

B

This is the Politico describing the therapist.

C

Razico showed Politico recent emails with her therapist.

A

They say recent.

B

And my understanding is this was June, like weeks ago.

C

In which Racicot explained she was talking to the media about her relationship with Platner and the SA R. Using an abbreviation for in the message. Racicot was not ready to go public and was seeking help corroborating her account in conversations she was having with reporters on condition of anonymity. Her therapist responded that Racicot shouldn't have to speak publicly about a traumatic incident in order to be believed without referencing details of any particular incident. The therapist, who Politico agreed not to name at her request, declined to comment when reached on Monday. So if you hear Adam Wren from Politico discussing it, the therapist confirmed.

A

Right.

C

That they discussed. That's not what they wrote, but they should have written that in their article. So he is.

A

Yeah. I mean, that is. Is intentionally manipulative reporting, is it? Not like I wanted you here because you're a lawyer. You know what you're talking about. I'm just an idiot absorbing this through the media. But that seems to me intentionally manipulative. It seems like that was reported with the clear intent of deceiving the reader into thinking that the corroboration from the therapist happened at or around the time of the alleged rape.

E

Rape, Right. And of course, that it's extremely misleading, to say the least. I mean, of the. The reason it would be credible or more credible if it had occurred right around the same time is, first of all, the motive that people are identifying now had not arisen, which is that he was a political candidate. You know, that would allow the Democrats to take control of the Senate. And he has the views that I discussed earlier, which makes. Makes him undesirable to the establishment. So there was no motive for her to make anything up then. And again, I'm not saying she's making it up. That's maybe a separate discussion, but the fact that this was actually five years later, after the New York Times article was written, I mean, that is basically. That's completely worthless as evidence. It wouldn't even be admissible in court. So, yeah, yeah.

A

I mean, what we know, and I agree with you, like, I'm not calling the woman a liar. I'm not saying this didn't happen. What we now know, though, for sure is that this reporting was extremely biased. And when you. When you find one or two, or as I'm about to show you, I believe three instances of, like, meaningful distortions in the reporting of the story, not just the writing of the story, but in the interviews promoting the story, as the writers did there on Morning Joe. It makes you wonder if there's more stuff that they're hiding or more stuff that they're lying about. I mean, that seems reasonable speculation. Like, if you catch them in three lies or three distortions, then of course, there could be more. So this is the third one. Ryan Grimm reports. Politico knew at the time of publication precisely what Jenny Racicot texted to Graham Platner, but deliberately omitted it from their article. Rasico, according to the lead political reporter on the story, told Platner she, quote, needed her glute massage. So these were the texts that she kind of vaguely references as having message Platner before he showed up at her house. They didn't get into what she actually said that he mistook as an invitation to come over. Turns out Politico knew that what she said was that she needed her glute massaged. He told her he was coming. Glute, not to be crude. That's you need your butt rubbed, basically.

E

Yeah.

A

Basically what that means. Sorry. He told her he was coming right over. She responded by telling him not to do so, but he came over quickly. Whether this detail is important to you or not, it is a shocking breach of journalistic ethics by Politico and CNN not to include it in their coverage. And this is the part of the political article that references this exchange. Rasico told Politico she connected with Platner on the dating app Bumble in 2019 and had consensual relations with him prior to the night he allegedly Assaulted her. Pardon me. That night, late 2021, she said she had exchanged text messages with him and told him not to come over, saying she wasn't in the mood for company. It omits what she said. And what Ryan Grimm is reporting there is that they knew what she had said that he mistook as an, as an invitation to come over. Now, of course, just bringing this up, and Ryan Grimm caught a world of shit for even bringing this up because of course people screamed at him. Well, that doesn't give him the right rape. Of course it doesn't give him the right to rape.

E

No.

A

But going back to my original question, like, suppose this were a criminal trial support. Suppose Graham Platner were on trial for his life because you can go to jail for a long time for breaking in the woman's house and sexually assaulting her.

E

Yeah.

A

If he were on trial for his life. If the stakes here were not just a senate race, but were, okay, we're going to lock this man in a cage for decades, wouldn't the nature of the conversation that preceded his arrival at the house be pertinent to the case? Like, would that be admissible in court? I would think it would.

E

Absolutely.

A

It's admissible in the court of public opinion now, is it not? I mean, very high stakes moment here. Right.

E

Well, we can talk about this later. But these, you know, the whole point of these is to make people so hysterical that you're not allowed to talk about it. So. Right. I think that's one reason. But yes, it absolutely, it goes to intent, which is a crucial element of any crime. So there could have been, for instance, the truth could lie somewhere in between. It didn't happen. And he, you know, violently raped her. Broken. Raped her. It could be he was mistaken. She said he was blackout drunk. You know, so it's possible he looked at his phone while he was drinking, saw that she wanted him to come over, was like, oh, cool, I'll go over to her place. Went over, missed the other texts. You know, that's something that happens when people are drinking. There was a misunderstanding. About what? How? I mean, you know, I, again, I wasn't there. I don't know. But those are the kinds of fuzzy gray areas that make it, you know, that go to questions of intent. And it's also possible that, you know, in retrospect, now she sees things differently. That's something that happens. People develop biases that then influence their sort of remembrances of past events. It's possible that at the time she was like, like, okay, that Wasn't exactly how I wanted the night to go. But she also didn't view it as rape. And then over time and now there's all this political stuff going on, her view changed. And so she's not intentionally lying or making things up, but.

A

Right.

E

So we. There's just a lot going on here, and a lot we can probably never know. And it's one reason I, you know, don't believe. And just hearing an allegation like this and saying, okay, he's got to go, he's done, you know, his political career should be over.

D

Over.

A

Well, yeah, I think there's. There's a distortion and a perversion of the dynamic when it comes to these kinds of, like, cases that I guess are broadly described as, like, me too cases, because people would argue that, hey, you know what? Just. Just because there's not enough evidence to convict someone of a crime beyond a reasonable doubt and take their freedom away and send them to prison, that doesn't mean people aren't free to form their opinions about what they think the most likely sequence of events was on a given night and what should be the social or consequence. Like, I. I get that. I'm not totally unsympathetic to that argument, but that argument, the we don't need conclusive evidence to form an opinion now, seems to be mistaken for it's okay to dismiss evidence that doesn't reinforce that said opinion, because this is not a question of we didn't know something. This is a question of they knew something that they hid from us in order to steer us in a particular direction. This isn't a matter of, well, we just didn't. We don't know what. We can't know what we don't know. No, this isn't. This is an instance where Politico knew something that would have been critical in a criminal case were this actual court of law, a legal proceeding, and they decided to hide it from us because they wanted our opinion to be one thing.

E

Absolutely. And why are people only allowed free to form opinions in one direction? I mean, you can form an opinion and you should be able to. To be free to form an opinion in the other direction without being skewered and threatened with job loss and all of that. I mean, to be honest, I, like, thought very hard about not commenting at all, but as usual, I couldn't keep my mouth because I was like, you know, this is going to probably cause me more trouble than it's worth. But. But I. I think this stuff is. This is very important and Our society has developed this tendency to get extremely hysterical, especially about one type of allegation, and throw, you know, all judgment out the window. I actually, I'm. This might, you know, this might come back to bite me. And that's okay. I mean, I think a person is free to conclude, you know what? I think it did happen, and I'd prefer him than Susan Collins. I don't think, you know, it was also five years ago. He's, he served in the military. Everyone agrees he has ptsd. Maybe he drank too much at the time and we, you know, hopefully he's addressed that problem. I, I do prefer my sitting senators not to get blackout drunk all the time, but a lot of them probably do anyway. There are factors one could look at and say, you know, Susan Collins continuing in the Senate, more dead babies, fewer dead babies. With Graham Platner, even if he has this, done this reprehensible thing. But you're not allowed to think outside the box. And that's the problem. You're certainly not allowed to say you have thoughts outside the box.

A

That creates problems. As you said, if there is ever a podcast university on the degree, it's going to be printed, this will cause you more trouble than it's worth. That's going to be. They're going to write that on any official document. For someone who gets into this. But just so we understand as well, the outlet that put this out famously, famously announced basically that they are demanding allegiance to Israel from their editorial staff. This is Politico, of course. The Politico CEO called an all hands meeting to say the outlet unequivocally supports Israel. He also said any reporter who disagrees with his political, his personal Zionism, pardon me, should quit. When pressed by reporters on the need to follow journalistic ethics, he said, quote, I don't need to prove Iran is seeking a nuclear weapon. And seems like the Platner effect is spreading. Our mutual friend Glenn Greenwald highlighted this tweet earlier, breaking as Graham Platner allegations spark a reckoning over Dem vetting. Arizona Young Democrats have retracted their endorsement of progressive U.S. house candidate Kai Newkirk, citing, quote, pattern concerning patterns of behavior. So, as I mentioned, this tweet of yours kind of have proved especially prescient. Now, we've talked on this show in the past about how you were essentially canceled by the right for your Covid views and then canceled, I'm sorry, canceled by the left for your Covid views. Canceled by the right for your Israel views. So, you know, you, you are no stranger to offending both camps. But this, this assessment that there, that the, the, the American left left is basically a dead end when it comes to any kind of meaningful anti establishment or anti imperialist movement. That is, that is a big statement, but it's a powerful statement. And for reasons like this, I'm forced to conclude it's kind of a true statement, at least as currently constituted. Like how are you going to work with this where they can just crush not only one guy with a shoddily reported accusation like this, but then they can scare everybody else into canceling everybody else in the same lane?

E

Yeah, I mean what prompted me to write that partially was I saw a few accounts that I respect, like track APAC withdrew support immediately, like immediately just based on the Politico article. And I was like, I mean, you're not going to think this through a little bit. I mean, maybe I should have thought it through more. I guess you could argue that. But I, I did actually. I waited a number of hours, Mike, read the article carefully a few times and thought about it and did some research. So, so, but, but yeah, it's, it just the immediate. It's like the allegation that's the end. And you can't operate that way. You can't have real change. And frankly, the other side doesn't do that in the same way they do it with Israel. If you don't love Israel, you are immediately canceled by.

A

Right.

E

But they don't do it with sexual assault and harassment allegations, obviously.

A

Now why do you think that is? Is because I think, I think what you said is absolutely right. But what, what is the difference is, is it just a question of like a guy like Donald Trump being Teflon for some reason or is there something about the political orientation about the view of the world? Like what, why does the left do this to itself when, when the right doesn't?

E

Well, I think it's probably view of. It's probably a few things, but I would say view of the world is a big one because the left has adopted the disbelieve women, you know, you have to. If a woman makes an allegation of assault or sexual assault or harassment, you've got to believe it. To quest, even to question it makes you a bad person. And so that leads you down this path, which is where we are now. And it's, you know, very easily then weaponized by one's opponents because if they know that all you have to do is hear the allegation and you're going to withdraw support. Well, Then it becomes very easy to get people to withdraw support.

A

Yeah. Now, I know your, your friend and co host Mel had a really hot take on this, which I thought was. Was good, too. And I thought was, you know, the, honestly, the right way of looking at it. Like, when this came out, I didn't know exactly what to think, which way it was going to go. Of course, your question is, how is the candidate going to respond? And as soon as Platner comes out and he says, well, you know, these are false, but given they're politically serious, I'm going to take time to, to reflect. It's like once you do that, you flinched. Once you flinched, you're done. So, like, I do think ultimately he made the decision that he had to make, because obviously what was revealed in all of this as unfair as I think a lot of this is, is that he wasn't really up to this. Like, I mean, if. If you don't have what it takes to, to be defiant in the face of something like this, how are you going to react when, you know, Chuck Schumer whispers in your ear, you better vote for the Iron Dome home? Right. I mean, that's essentially the point that Mel was making. What do you think about that? Like, ultimately, I agree with that. Do you think he had to resign past that point or drop out? I should say no.

E

I mean, I don't think he. Well, after he flinched, I guess, but I don't think. I absolutely don't think he had to resign. I think people forget these things, you know, like Andrew Cuomo. I think he should have absolutely stuck it out. I mean, if it was true, I. It gets stickier. You know, if it was true and he knew it was true, I. But, but it does show that he's not. He's not Congress material because it's tough.

A

Yeah. I mean, you look at these allegations against Donald Trump, you think 90% of the people who voted for Donald Trump really think they're all false. They made a calculation, hey, even if this is true, we'd rather him than Kamala Harris. We'd rather him than Hillary Clinton.

E

Exactly.

A

Democrats made these calculations, too. What stuff about Bill Clinton wasn't out there in, in the 90s. Of course. It was like, people make these calculations all the time. And now this is something that you're really not allowed to talk about without a cancel mob coming for you. And, and that not only happened to Graham Platner, but it happened to Ryan Grimm, who. I don't even like Ryan Grimm, but all the guy did was his job and report court that Politico knew stuff that they were not revealing. And you had this pile on against him. So, like, how do you function in that environment?

E

Well, you don't. And I would say that's probably why our side loses whatever our side is. I mean, that's, you know, I don't really have a strong affiliation, but the sort of anti war, anti genocide side, yeah, we're completely dysfunctional. And it's in part because of this kind of hysterical. And it's. To be fair, it's not just about sexual assault, although that's the thing. Or harassment. That's the thing that they know is like the Gonna get people to withdraw support immediately. But there are a lot of things. I mean, they kind of did it with COVID You know, if you had a different view on Covid as I did, it was just like, oh, my God, you want Grandma to die?

A

Oh, sure.

E

You are a terrible person. And, you know, so, yeah, it's. It's that. That's a very problematic mentality that. That, for the most part, the right doesn't adopt unless it's Israel.

A

Right, Exactly. All right, I got one more piece of this I want to cover with you. I'll just reset here. Welcome to the Jimmy Dore show, everybody. Keaton Weiss here with special guest Janine Eunice. So in the wake of Platner dropping out, there's this question, how is Maine going to handle this? And here is Nir Tanden chiming in, saying, hey, you know what? It's. It's important that Graham Platner's supporters have a seat at the table in determining what's going to happen moving forward. This whole situation is a horrifying tragedy on so many levels. And the people I feel the worst

C

for are really the people Nikki is talking about, the people who were betrayed by Graham Platner.

A

Oh, yeah, you feel terrible. You feel terrible for the anti Israel progressives who supported him situation that we're in. And I feel like the fact that he takes zero responsibility of that. It's like a mafia funeral where the guy who killed the kid goes up and kisses his mother. I'm upset. I feel terrible. Feel terrible for you that this happened enrages me, but I do. I feel the people I feel the

C

worst for in this situation are people

A

who felt hope about this campaign. And I do think the process has to ensure that people who felt hope in this campaign, in his campaign, and about change in Maine have a voice in that process. Have a voice in that. Not that they should get to pick the successor. No, we're going to give you a voice in the process. This sounds like, you know, you're going to have access to affordable health care. That's one of that.

D

Yeah.

A

You're going to have a seat at the table. Don't you worry. We're going to take care of you, make sure we understand what you want. No guarantees. You'll get it. Even though you won the election. Election. But this is the Democratic party. This is how we do things. So the main Democratic party issued a statement on the senate nomination process today. The main Democratic party held a meeting with over 100 state committee members who voted to hold the nominating convention to choose a new nominee. If there is a vacancy to fill, which now, of course, there is. We will announce the full timeline, details for how long the nomination process, for how. Pardon me. The nomination process will move forward, information about how to participate, and requirements for candidates soon. We will keep the public informed throughout the process. Transparency is of the utmost importance. There is an unprecedented amount of energy and enthusiasm among Maine democrats which we are determined to squander over the course of the next two months and lose to Susan Collins. Oh, that's not what it says. Sorry, I got ahead of myself there. Driven in part by many of the dedicated volunteers and supporters who were inspired by grand platt campaign, we look forward to coming together and harnessing that energy around our new nominee as we work to defeat Susan Collins in November. So here is a spokeswoman for the main Democratic party on how all of that is going.

E

Oh, we have been absolutely committed to transparency. So even though it is incredibly late at night, I am coming to you

A

live on the ground from the.

E

The main dems headquarters. We are so excited to announce that our process for u. S. Senate candidates is now live.

A

Oh, wow.

E

Now have the ability to submit their declaration.

A

They have to present all this as

C

good news, Engaging Maine Democrats in earnest

E

by earning their support and collecting signatures. We are fully committed to transparency. So we are making those candidate rules available to everyone. And you can read them@mainedems.org we are continuing to.

A

To race towards the release of our

E

fair and inclusive process to select a new U.S. senate nominee. And we are not leaving this office until that process is in the hands

A

of you, the people. In the meantime, you had a primary election. Like, it's so amazing that this happened again, like after the debacle of 2024 where they. They run a fake primary, they push Biden through it, and then he drops out and they. They Anoint Kamala Harris. Like, you find yourself in the same situation again and you're tasked with going out there, and I guess it's her job. Someone's got to do it. Acting as if this is all such great news and it's all going so swimmingly.

E

I mean, it's hard not to conclude that they don't actually want to lose at this point. But I.

A

You're right.

E

I think maybe they're just that stupid. It's truly, truly remarkable.

D

Yeah.

A

Truly unbelievable. Like, unbelievable. Like you. Like, they don't have a way to know. Know who the preferred candidate is. It seems to be this guy, Troy Jackson. This is like the progressive guy you could see here, you know, not. Not quite the T levels of a Graham Platner, but I guess he'll have to do.

E

Logger.

C

It's.

A

Yeah, Logger. Yeah, he's a logger. He doesn't have the italic font. He kept the same font, but not the italics, I guess. So It's. You know, this is. This is like the. This is the Little Caesars to Graham Platner's Pizza Hut. You know, kind of. This version of the campaign. There's a powerful movement of working class people in the state of Maine and millions more across America who are ready to send a progressive fighter to the Senate. I've been fighting for that movement my whole life, and I'm sure as hell not backing down now when this fight is needed most, I'm in. And we're gonna defeat Susan Collins. Maine deserves a senator that will fight for working families. He does seem to be the most electable one. It's funny how Platner is still outperforming Janet Mills against Susan Collins. Janet mills losing by 11. Platner now losing by 5. Jackson up by 5 in multiple polls. So hope may not be lost. Although there is another poll today that has them neck and neck with Collins slightly in the lead. The momentum has certainly shifted. I think we can all agree on that. And you. Talk about balls. This is. The Democratic Majority for Israel actually made a video chiming in on the new nominating process for the Maine Senate race.

E

I mean, they know they're gonna win anyway. Why not?

A

Yeah, exactly. Why not? Hi, this is Kathy Manning, former congresswoman and board chair of Democratic Majority for Israel. Democrats have a critical opportunity in Maine this year. We can defeat Susan Collins, flip this Senate seat. We have a critical opportunity to undo the will of the primary voters and put a pro Israel person in there. Anyway, it's not like that was the main Reason Platner won in the first place was that he was against Israel.

E

Exactly. They're trying to make it sound as though that's not the issue.

A

Extraordinary, just extraordinary. A much needed majority. But that only happens if we nominate a candidate who can actually win.

D

Win.

A

I do not understand why progressives would gamble such an important Senate race and

C

the next Democratic president's ability to govern with a trifecta.

A

Lady, Lady. The primary happened. They, they, they are like, you already lost this. This is what's so unbelievable about this. I mean, it's not unbelievable. At a certain point, we sound like idiots for saying it's unbelievable. I guess the joke is on. Yes, but like, you just had a primary, now you're undoing it in the 11th hour and acting like there's still some open debate as to which direction we should go. I mean, really just. It's just crazy.

E

Yeah, I mean, you know, you're right. Maybe we should. It's so disheartening because I think there was some hope that public opinion, having flipped on the Israel issue the way that it has, that that might actually be reflected in our politics. But we've watched Marjorie Taylor Greene get taken down, Thomas Massie both on the right, and then several people on the left, including Graham Platner. So it just starts to feel as though, well, public opinion doesn't really matter. This lobby is so powerful that they're going to find a way to take anyone down who actually poses a real threat.

A

Winning elections doesn't even matter. You win the election a week before you're certified, they come out with this fucking hit piece from avowed Zionist publication.

E

Yeah.

A

And now all of a sudden there's this big debate as to which direction we should go. And just one more thing is marginally related, but talk about the low life of all lowlifes. So now they're going to try and tangentially kind of attach Abdul El Sayed, who's the pro Palestine, Michigan candidate, to Graham Platner's problems here. So Dave Weigel tweets, the energy for Platinum is going to move to El Sayed. He points out, these are very different people. Abdul El Sayed is a high achieving brainiac who doesn't drink. He has two kids with his college sweetheart. Yet Neera Tanden insinuates that he might be the next one to fall apart because there might be some skeletons in his closet. She says, if I was the.

E

Sorry, yeah, go ahead. Oh, she said, she claimed that she was saying he will be the next president. That was her Right?

A

Yeah. Yeah. Is that what she said? That's.

E

Yeah.

A

Goddamn character limits. Just as I was about to endorse Abdul El Sayed for president, I ran out of space. She has a blue check. She's got a blue check. She can write as many characters as she wants. If I was the El Sayed campaign, I probably wouldn't want to be associated with Platner Advisors. Previous push for Platner as a future president, given that it sounds grotesque today, but then again, his campaign has all the same advisors, so maybe he will be next.

E

Next.

A

Like, what is that if not very thinly veiled anti Muslim Arab racism. Like. Like what? Like, what do you mean? As Weigel points out, this guy's a, you know, he's a doctor, he's married to the same woman for God knows how many years. He's a family man. He's not Graham Platner. Like, what are you saying? You're saying, hey, you know, all of these anti Israel candidates are degenerates, and so if you're running against the Israel lobby, it's only a matter of time before you're destroyed. Like, what a disgusting piece of garbage.

E

I mean, absolutely. Look what they've done to Mamdani. You know, the ridiculous allegations they've made that this like, millennial, normal American guy is some kind of jihadist, like, anti Semite.

A

Yeah, yeah, just. Just outrageous. Outrageous. But yeah, that's, that's the state of play now. Now in, in the, in the campaign. It's just, you know, there's talk today about Trump, you know, basically d balling that election commission, which is going to sow chaos at the midterms. I haven't had a chance to look into it. You know, that's how republic. You know who said it. I forget who said it. They said Republicans rig elections before the vote and Democrats rig it after the vote. You know what I mean? Republicans make it impossible to vote and Democrats make it so that your vote doesn't matter. Matter after the election's done. Yeah, that's.

E

Yeah, that's basically what they've done here. Well, now I kind of want Susan Collins to win just out of spite, but I guess I shouldn't. That's probably not good for the world.

A

It's. It's not good for the world. But, you know, you're not alone. Like, I was, I was watching an interview with just some man on the street in Maine who's like a progressive, who said if they put up Troy Jackson, who's the most progressive guy in the race. Because I guess Troy Jackson has a history of, like, social conservatism or something. Like, he was against gay marriage 15 years ago, and this guy says, if they put him up, I'm voting for Collins, you know, and who knows if he'll actually follow through on that? But, no, of course, this stuff creates, at the very least, a, A, A distaste for the whole process that depresses turnout. Like, yeah, man, if you went out and you. You canvas for Platner for a year, you win by landslide, and then they take it from you in this way, of course that's going to depress turnout on your side, like, of course. And this is. This is. This has happened to the Democratic Party in, In the last three cycles. I maintain the only reason Biden won by a hair is because there was a mass panic over Covid and they were afraid that Trump just was not going to pull the country out of it. Um, but other than that, Biden would have lost. They would have lost to Trump three times because they keep doing things to undermine their own democratic process. And that, of course, has a depressing effect on your voters.

E

Yeah, but let's face it, I mean, they would rather have Republicans in office than people like Graham Platner. So that's the reality of the situation.

A

That is. That's the rub. And Platner said so himself in his concession video that he put out. He says, we're being denied the tools we need to win, which is why I have to drop out, because the people who have access to those tools would rather Collins win than me. And so at that.

E

I wish he wouldn't drop out. He still has till Monday. I still, I still have some hope he'll change his mind.

A

Yeah, well, we shall see. We shall see. But, Janine, always great to talk to you. Thanks so much for joining us. Please tell people where they can follow you before you sign off.

E

I'm mostly on Twitter, so my handle is at Janine Eunice esq. And I work at the American Arab Anti Discrimination Committee. So those are basically the main ways.

A

Awesome. Well, great to see you again. Thanks so much for making time. I really wanted your perspective on this, and I think your X handle is great. Everybody should follow you on X because you do great work everywhere you're at. So thanks so much. Great to see you again.

E

Thank you again soon. Thanks so much for having me.

A

All right, bye. Bye.

D

Bye.

A

All right, that's Janine Eunice, everybody. Let me go to a brief card just so I can reset my materials and then we'll be back with Kurt for the remainder of the show. All right, everybody, welcome back to the show. Gonna bring back in Kurt Colorado. What's up, Kurt? You're muted.

D

Jenny just had to rush that dog that vet her. Her dog? Her loon. I don't know. I think she might be, like, bad off now. Just suddenly. Oh, really sucks ass.

A

No, that's terrible. That's terrible. How old is the dog?

D

Like, 11 or 12, but whatever. The good kind of dog food that costs extra, it turns out, don't give a dog that is basically.

E

Oh, boy.

D

It causes some kind of hard problem that, like, cokeheads get usually, but I think they're just supposed to have beef, chicken, lamb, and, like, grain and another thing with, like. Like, fish or no grain or whatever, and that's the more expensive kind, but it turns out that's been horrible the whole time.

A

Wow. Wow. Jesus. Jesus. Well, do you have to go early if you got to go early?

D

Not yet.

A

Okay. All right, well, I'll do this one, and if you have to bail for the last segment, I could do the last segment. I mean. Okay. All right.

D

It's. It's a. Yeah. We just found another dog on July 4th across the street that she found under a car. Oh. She rescued her from being hit by a Waymo.

A

Oh, really?

D

And a Waymo. Because, you know, they're from China. They're not programmed to not hit dogs and kids. And she. She literally stopped it. It was, like, just hunching the street and then. So I don't know what's gonna happen with this dog.

A

Wow.

D

On. On July 4th, dog Armageddon. That's the most lost in abandoned dogs.

C

Yeah.

D

This is fireworks.

A

Yeah, well, especially down there with the Waymo. See, Austin. You know the phrase keep Austin weird? I don't know. Do they still have that phrase down there? They still put that on the T shirts and stuff. Stuff. Keep Austin weird used to be the weirdest.

D

Meth and fentanyl then. Yeah, it's pretty weird.

A

Oh, that's the thing. Austin used to be weird because it was this, like, artsy bohemia, you know, live music capital of the world. It was one of the last affordable cities for starving artists to go and live with a modicum of comfort. And now it's weird for a different reason. Now it's weird because you got all that dystopian tech, you got rogue waymos rolling around now and God knows what else, you know? So now it's weird for. For. For another reason.

D

Nobody running for mayor is addressing the homeless issue. At all. Nobody has that in there. Yeah, well, don't look into. It's good. Just leave it. Good idea, guys.

A

I believe it. I believe it. All right. Welcome back to the Jimmy Dore show, everybody. Keaton and Kurt in for Jimmy. More stuff from the Tyler Robinson preliminary hearing. Phantom pain says something doesn't add up. In the official story, Lance Twigs testified he had never heard Tyler Robinson talk about Charlie Kirk. Then suddenly, after the shooting, we're told Tyler left behind a trail of messages, discord, conversations and a written note. Never discussed it. Then documented everything clearly. Fed slob. Let's take a look.

D

Weird.

C

Ever talk about Charlie Kirk? I personally had never heard him talk about Charlie Kirk before for specifically ever talked about politics. He did more than me. I. I didn't really. Still don't really keep up with politics very much.

A

He'd usually talk about stuff he heard

C

on the radio on his drive to work in like their work car, since it sounds like their whole crew went in the same car most of the time. But I. I wouldn't say super consistently because it wasn't a topic I really contributed much on About Charlie Kirk. Did he ever talk about Charlie Kirk? I personally had never heard him talk about Charlie Kirk before. Specifically.

A

Oof.

D

Weird.

A

Definitely.

D

I'm a bewildered Andrew Cole. That now. Well, that's weird. I have a lot of questions about that.

A

Yeah, yeah, there you go. That's your bewildered Andrew Cole colit face with your Andrew Colvitt hair.

D

I mean, like what? It's like they didn't even talk about Charlie. That's so strange.

A

Never mentioned them at all until apparently after the fact when those text messages surfaced.

D

Yeah, I heard he's not even gay.

A

Yeah, yeah, exactly. Lance Twig says Candace Owens says he never heard Tyler talk about Charlie Kirk or LGBTQ issues. But we're supposed to believe he jumped one. Jumped up one day and decided to try on an assassination over those exact issues after never committing any crimes in his life. I cannot bear the Fed slop any longer. Yeah, it doesn't. Doesn't look any better, I gotta say. For the official story here.

D

What does he got on his head?

A

Yeah, who the hell knows? Sam Parker says. So let me get this straight. Lance Twiggs's DNA was on the towel and screwdriver driver. Lance has the same pair of Converses as Tyler. Lance has access to the discord and Tyler's computer. Lance allegedly found the confession note, which no longer exists from an 11:00pm automated scheduled text from Tyler. And now we also find out the Dremel that Tyler allegedly used to engrave the bullets was Lance's Weird. Did I hear that right? Let's take a look.

C

Was he engraving bullets before this? Yeah, I remember exactly which. But he had said he was planning to go hunting with his family and he asked me for a. If we had like a Dremel because he said he wanted to create messages on bullets. And I just told him where Dremel was and told him to make sure he doesn't like set off a bullet on accident in the house. But I didn't really think about it until then and I just told him where Dremel was and oh, I heard

D

there's militant queers that are dremeling their bullets. So that's weird.

A

Well, in the previous segment, you know, we heard Andrew Colvitt say he want he was curious as to Lance Twigs's involvement, suggesting he may have been a co conspirator. Now Lance Twigs, if I can ask you, has been granted some kind of immunity in this case, is that correct?

D

I know I don't know why and I'd like to know why. I would like to know why.

C

Charlie Kirk, I personally have never heard him talk about Charlie Kirk before.

E

Specifically

B

before this.

D

You know what else is weird? Me and like the other TPUSA people met with the Tyler, the guy like just for the alleged shooting. Is that weird?

A

That seems weird to me.

D

I don't know why. I'd like to know.

A

You'd like to know why? You'd like to know why?

D

Yeah.

A

Lance Twigs, Candace Owens says wants us to believe that the biggest assassination since JFK happened in his backyard. He received a mysterious note under his keyboard plus a stunning full fledged confession. But he chose not to follow the case much and didn't see the released FBI images until later. He has also shown the staircase images and says it looks like Tyler Robinson in terms of his shoes and jeans, stuff he would wear. Wow, what an amazingly solid means of identification. Definitely his shoes and he liked wearing jeans. I cannot wait until this obvious fed asset is allowed to be cross examined from the defense. Do you think that's going to happen? Do you think that's like. And when would that happen? Would that happen at a preliminary hearing or would that happen at the trial?

D

Trials, just.

A

Yeah, this is just a preliminary hearing.

D

I have so many questions. I mean I hope there's a trial because I have so many questions from just the preliminary hearing.

A

Well, I guess there's. I mean there is a trial until. Unless he enters some kind of plea. That's how it would get out of trial. Right. Is if you take some kind of deal, but they're not going to offer for that.

D

And why did Mikey McCoy call Erica right after the shooting? That's so weird. I was like, mikey, why'd you do that? And he was like, I know, right? It's so weird.

A

The patriotic blonde says forensic analysis concluded that the major bullet fragment retrieved from Charlie Kirk's body could not be conclusively matched to the rifle allegedly used in the shooting of Charlie Kirk. This is a bombshell, says the patriotic blonde. This was tweeted out yesterday. Four o', clock, number six.

D

What was.

C

What is Exhibit six?

A

Exhibit six is the bullet fragment, or, sorry, the bullet jacket fragment, as well as some other fragments that were recovered from Mr. Kirk at the time of autopsy.

C

Thank you. Going back to page two, will you read the first full paragraph there, beginning with exhibit six?

D

Yes.

A

Exhibit six consists of one.30 caliber class deformed damage bullet jacket fragment and four lead fragments. Will you read the next paragraph as well? The Exhibit 6, a bubullet jacket fragment cannot be identified or excluded as having been fired from the Exhibit 1 rifle based on an agreement of all discernible class characteristics and neither sufficient agreement nor sufficient disagreement of individual characteristics. The results of the comparison was inconclusive.

D

What?

A

Inconclusive?

D

Wow, that's a bombshell, dude.

A

Yeah, yeah. Maybe look into that. You know, with. When. On the day he was shot. The first thing that made me think something was weird is, is when we found out George Zinn didn't do it. Like, if there's a guy standing up screaming, shoot me, shoot me, shoot me. And about an hour, as I remember transpired between the time when it seemed like he was the killer and. And the time that they said, actually, no, he isn't. I mean, right then and there, I said, oh, boy, something. Something must be up here.

D

You know what else they said? That somebody hit the time display on the screen on his phone. It can't just turn it sideways.

A

Yeah, well, this is what this says right here. How absolutely unfortunate that the damage to Lance Twigs his phone screen is nearly perfect circle exactly over the time display. Totally freak accident, I'm sure. How would one even go about trying to reproduce damage?

D

Yeah, or turn the phone this way and you can get the time on.

A

That's true. You could get the time on the other side if anybody tell them that.

D

That's so weird.

A

That is. That is true. You know, I didn't even think of that, Kurt.

D

Well, these are questions I have.

A

Yeah, well, you should ask these Questions. You're on top of things. I didn't even think of that. You could. You could change the orientation of the phone.

D

Why did Erica take over TPUSA after saying all that? Trad. That's the thing. I wonder over TPUSA why it's so weird.

A

All of these organizations are very trad organizations. You know, none of these organizations are full of people who don't live the lifestyles that they advertise, you know?

D

You know, we used to have an orgy after tpusa. Every tpusa.

A

Well, it's just like Hollywood, you know, the cast of Little House on the Prairie, that's how they lived in real life. They lived out at the other orgy. Yeah. They made butter. They made milk. Yeah.

D

They had Judeo Christian values.

A

Well, yeah, that's what I mean. Yeah. Little House on the Prairie, those Judeo Christian values.

D

Yeah.

A

On the Prairie. Yes. Candace Owens says

D

Christian Values on the Prairie is my favorite show.

A

Yeah, that should be. They should remake that show. Judeo Christian Values on the Prairie. Yes. There are so many devastating points to the Tyler Robinson narrative, but chief among them is Lance Twiggs is testifying that Tyler wasn't political, didn't ever speak to him about LBGTQ issues or gender identity issues. And also alluding to the fact that he is not trans. He goes by Luna, but he says it is not a female identity. I mean, I don't. I can't. How am I going to argue with that? What the hell do I know?

D

Sauna, bro.

B

I know.

D

Is that weird, though? Or.

A

For sauna, he goes by Luna, but it's not a female identity. So he's.

D

It means moon.

A

That's a they them, but it's more specific than a they them. Right. There's a subsection of the they, then that's a Luna. All right, all right. For months, the Satanists have been trying to convince you that Tyler was so motivated by politics and trans ideology that he decided to murder Charlie Kirk for trans viewpoints that Tyler held so dearly he never even expressed them to his boyfriend until a stunning text message confession after the murder, shown to us via a picture on Lance's phone, which just happened to be smashed in the very corner that would allow us to verify what time these photos were taken. This is all very dangerous. The government is playing a very dangerous game here with this trial. The illusion of democracy and a social contract is being completely evaporated. Well, that's been. That's. That ship has sailed, I think, quite some time ago. Quite some Time ago, but all right.

D

Oh, another weird thing is we had a meeting with Bill Ackman, tpusa, and he, like, ate a baby. At the time, I didn't think a lot of it, but, like, now I'm like, that's weird.

A

That was Judeo Christian values at.

D

That's what he said.

A

Yeah, yeah.

D

Judeo Christian values. I was like, is that what that means? That's so weird.

A

Judeo Christian values on Montauk. That's it.

D

I didn't want to ask because it's, like, not cool, you know, because Erica, she's a widow.

A

We are not supposed to know that our government is capable of this level of violence and psychological delusion. Well, I mean, it. It is and it always has been. And this is what's coming to light in more ways, more examples than just this trial. I think this is like one of these things that you're seeing now, just kind of all across the board. I think the genocide in Gaza was a huge part.

D

Kind of a massive one.

A

Yeah, kind of a massive one. Again, a massive one.

D

Me, not the. Not Kurt Cole Ved from tpusa, but me, Kirb Mebsker. I'm prejudice against Arabs, naturally, and Muslim prejudice against them. Do you understand? See how bad Israel up. That I am now fully on the side of the Arabs on the. You know how bad you messed up. That's not my fault. That's Israel's fault. You lost a prejudice guy. How do you do that unless you suck ass?

A

Yeah, yeah.

D

Maybe be more pushy. Maybe try that.

A

Yeah, right, exactly. I mean, when you look back at the other segment that we did about Andrew Kit saying now he has questions about other people's involvement in this, perhaps even Lens Twigs involvement in this. This. I think that could be a way of admitting that this speculation is valid without acquitting Tyler Robinson. Like, that kind of gives you the best of both worlds from a PR standpoint, which was always my suspicion. My suspicion was never, and I don't know, and just like I said, full disclosure, I have not followed this case as closely as Jimmy has here on the show.

E

But.

A

But my suspicion was not so much that Tyler Robinson had absolutely nothing to do with it, but that he is a part of a conspiracy or a patsy or a fall guy or somebody you plant on the roof. Just like in Butler, Pennsylvania. You know that kid that they had there up on the roof there. I forget his name, which right away. That shows you something's weird, that you forget the name of the. Yeah. Thomas Crooks.

D

Hey, you know what his parents did for a living. Do you now?

A

I don't know what his parents did for a living.

D

Well, they are. We don't know where they are. We don't have heard from them. But behavioral modification therapists. So. So here's what that means. Translated MK Ultra automatically. That's what that means, behavioral modification. That's the B.F. skinner torture box.

A

Right.

D

All the stuff they learned From World War I on is what they use for that kind of mind control. And that's what they do to make assassins and Manchurian candidates. And anytime you hear that, that's the most suspicious thing you've. That and having a therapist who was in the CIA or like a personal trainer who was in the CIA in the case of Kanye, who can. Who has power of attorney over him, but nobody questions that. That's not weird to anybody.

A

What was something like that? Like you could plant a shooter on a roof and then if someone else fires the shot, Secret Service fires back at the patsy and there you go, you have your dead body.

D

You know what else is weird? Who knows?

A

If this guy wasn't supposed to be that, it could have been something like that that went wrong because he got away.

D

He was supposed to die in the shootout with the cops. And then that's what I think by not going in. But. But you couldn't fire the gun. We still haven't heard the answer of how the hell you would actually bolt the gun with that scope on top of it. That prevents you from. Because the picture of the gun from the crime that the FBI has, you couldn't have fired the gun physically. So that's a little weird.

A

Yeah, I don't know.

D

I just have questions about it, you

A

know, a lot of questions. Well, there you go. Yeah. I hope Jimmy is back in time for the trial because he is better suited to address these address, your address, your questions than I am. So. Sir?

D

Yeah, I have answers to questions and I would love to ask some questions blaming me and Erica Kirk with crazy

A

talk, but I would love to know

D

Lance Twigs, is that even a real name? Sounds weird.

A

Lance Twigs.

D

Yeah.

A

Sees Luna, right?

D

Luna the Bear. Lone Wolf. That's some furry Persona. Yeah, you have to be completely checked out of everything to believe this story. Or a liar like Tim Pool. Or a deliberate scumbag liar like Tim Pool. I mean, it's such a tragedy a guy with such a great band is so bad with his politics, isn't it? Yeah, you just make great music that everybody loves, but he's got to do these weird lies for Our greatest ally.

A

It's like Kiss. Like Gene Simmons, you know?

D

Oh, just real quality.

A

Yeah, real quality. Real quality artists.

D

With Ben, you can see why he's bedded 6,000 women. Like a nephew.

A

Exactly. All right, well, hold on to your questions, sir. We'll try and get them answered as soon as we can. All right, let's. Let's take some super chats and rumble rants and then we got one more segment on the day here. Let me see here, what we got here? Okay, we got that batch already. And then we got this. Killer Hinton. Hey, haven't seen you in a while, Killer Hinton. I spoke to Mitch for about 20 minutes today. Kept going on and on about how hot it was and wouldn't shut the fuck up about the fire surrounding him. Ha. Good one. 93, Jack. 93 says please bring Dunnigan on for some short comedy bits. All right. I'm sure Kurt may be able to make that happen. Why is Kurt wearing a funny yarmulke? Is he commie? Islamo transfery op. Thank you, Eric Husso for that. P. Walker says main Democratic Party rules, number one, be pro Israel. There are no other rules. Thank you for your attention to this matter. RDNW says annoyed that I gave Platner $4 over the past two months. Here's $5 to atone for my sins. You gave him $4? Big donor. Big donor over there. High roller over there. Thank you, rdw. Appreciate that. All right, we got one more segment on the day over here. I'll give Kurt a second. I'm getting a lovely tour of his home there.

D

Sorry to fix my hair. Yamaka, go.

A

That's all right. All right. All right, let's see what we got over here. I got everything. All right. Welcome back to the Jimmy Door show, everybody. Keaton and Kurt here for Jimmy while he is away. Kurt co. What's that?

D

Kurt Colvette.

A

Oh, that not Colorado today. That's right.

D

No, no, no, I don't like them. They're left wing.

A

That's right. They're left wing. That's right. They're woke. Horrible story here. Men who witness deadly Houston shooting say ICE statement is false. Attorney says so. There was another ICE killing in Houston, Texas, the first since those high profile killings back in Minneapolis. Federal officials version of what led to the fatal shooting of a man in Houston during an immigration operation this week doesn't match that of three men detained during the incident. An attorney who spoke with them says. Immigration and Customs Enforcement officials have said an agent opened fire Tuesday after Lorenzo salgado araujo, a 52 year old Mexican national, rammed a law enforcement vehicle and refused to follow verbal commands during a traffic stop that was part of a, quote, targeted operation. But the three men who were detained told attorney Hugo Balderas Ibarra the version of events presented by ICE is false. Quote, at no point did they use the van to ram into the ICE agents, and at no point were these ICE agents lives ever in any danger, the lawyer said in a video posted to his Instagram. Salgado Araujo was shot after agents in two black SUVs without apparent law enforcement markings pursued his white work van. Surveillance videos obtained by CNN and the League of United Latino American Citizen show. We'll take a look at some video in a minute. Police lights flashed in on one unmarked ICE vehicle and the work van slowed before ICE vehicles rammed into it. Baldera Sibara told the Washington Post, citing the detained men. An ICE agent then exited his vehicle and opened fire almost immediately, striking Salgado Araujo. The lawyer said CNN reached out to him and ICE for comment. Salgado Araujo was not the target of the operation, a source familiar with the preliminary details about the incident told cnn. Complete details of the deadly encounter remain unclear. As questions about how it escalated, calls for an independent investigation and community outcry mount. The FBI, Department of Homeland Security's Office of the Inspector General and the Harris County District Attorney's Office are now investigating.

D

Wait, wait, wait. The guy they shot was not the guy they were looking for?

A

No, he was not the target.

D

Is he a citizen?

A

He was not the target. He was a Mexican national. So I don't know what that. What that makes.

D

He's here legally?

A

Yeah, he's here legally, yeah. Before Tuesday's encounter, Texas authorities had notified ICE about two people, neither of them Salgado or Ajo, believed to be in the United States without legal status and traveling in a white van. According to the source, on Tuesday, officers were almost at the target's address when they observed a white van with an individual who resembled the target.

D

Wow. Not even as good as AI.

A

No. So, you know when they tell you that, you know, oh, you know, people who are concerned that, you know, if they're brown and they're scared, they have nothing to worry about. Well, apparently not, because apparently this van was targeted because somebody resembled the target who was in the van?

D

I joined ICE by mistake one time. Dude. Dude.

A

Yeah, Yeah.

D

I was returning some stuff to Home Depot. Next thing I know, I was in ice.

A

I was in ice.

D

They paid for shot a lesbian by mistake. Yeah, we had to be quiet about it, you know.

A

Had to be quiet about it. Code of omerta. Officers then initiated the vehicle stop. A Homeland Security official told CNN the van was registered to Salgado Araujo, whom agents determined to be in the country illegally. The source said when ICE agents tried to stop Salgado Araujo, he rammed their vehicle, resulting in an office officer firing his weapon in self defense. The agency said. Now of course we know how these previous incidents have gone. So this is why there was outcry about this story before any video came out. Because at this point, any goodwill that ICE had going into Trump term two has now been just about entirely drained. And so nobody believes this from jump. And we do have some video that we're going to see.

D

Why they have masks on. That's the thing. That's like a weird thing that I keep asking, like why do they get to wear masks? Are they like superheroes with a secret identity or something?

A

Yeah, yeah. Well. Yeah, well, why do they get. Why do they get to wear. Why do you have masked officers going around doing this in apparently unmarked cars? That's the thing is we're going to see in the video.

D

Yeah, that's weird, dude. Why would they. Well, I guess they don't want retribution for, you know, randomly killing people.

A

Salgado Araujo's family disputes the federal government's account and. And says the hard working father, father of three would have stopped if he had known the car following him belonged to ice. So if he had known that a law enforcement vehicle was the one following him, he may have stopped. But when a random black car is running you off the road, you don't know what the hell that's about. There's no way of knowing. Department of Homeland Security has not released footage of the shooting. None of the agents involved had been issued body worn cameras. Cameras. A spokesperson said.

D

Weird.

A

That's weird. Yeah. Video circulating online of a black SUV following the white van and of a man on the ground has federal agent kneels over him have fueled anger in Houston and beyond. All right, so let's take a look here. ICE claimed a Rahu rammed an SUV and tried to run over an agent. But his van showed little to no front end damage while sustaining damage to its side. Surveillance footage appeared to show ICE chasing and ramming his vehicle.

D

Why did they say appeared to show

A

a white van driven by Salgado? An unmarked ICE vehicle ended up right about here, just east of Wayside Drive. But before that video Shows ICE pursued it heading eastbound towards this intersection nearly a block away. Now, if you look closely through the trees, you can see the white van followed by the ICE agents in a dark suv. You could see it coming across the screen, blocking traffic, crossing traffic blocks the view for the moment. Then you can see the ICE vehicle appears to try to cut the van off. And both vehicles veer off to the side of the road. The white van then goes in reverse, then forward where it pulled over a few houses away. So it looks like. And I'll play this back again. And they kind of slow it down a little bit. But what it looks like here is that this white van was driving just run off the road by an unmarked black car. How the hell were they supposed to know that those were ICE or those were cops? How the hell are you supposed to know that? How do you know it's not, you know,

D

I start blasting. Listen, you have guns here. And if some black van started ramming up the road, I'm gonna blast them. Honest to God, like that's what I'm gonna do. You could do that here. I would not know if you're not marked. How would I, I wouldn't do it to a cop. But an unmarked black van trying to ram me off the road, but torpedoes free is my.

A

I didn't know. Yeah, I mean you don't know if it's a, it's a gang, whatever.

D

I ain't taking a chance to try

A

to cut the van off. And both vehicles veer off to the side of the road. The white van then goes in reverse, then forward where it pulled over a few houses away. Meanwhile, the ICE vehicle makes a three point turn on Canadian street and then drives forward to follow. So there's the black car right there. You can see it between the don't walk sign and what looks like a telephone pole here. Again, there's no way of knowing. And this is what was reported. There's no way of knowing that that's law enforcement, white construction. Now again, we're gonna slow things down after all. The slowdown version of the moment. Well, that's the thing. He has no reason to think there'd be anyone after him.

D

So yeah, did no crime. They go after him, they make up a story about it. Why would he ram them if he's not here illegally? Oh, they, they're saying, oh, we think he was here illegally. Right. They're saying that now.

A

Yeah, yeah. I mean nobody believed that he rammed them. Nobody believes that. To try to cut the van off. And both vehicles veer off to the side of the road. The white van then goes in reverse, then forward where it pulled over a few houses away. Meanwhile, the ICE vehicle makes a three point turn on Canal street street and then drives forward to follow the white construction van. Now again, we're going to slow things down for you. Here's the slowdown version of the moment. The ICE vehicle driving on the passenger side of the van appears to cut the van off. Again, this is just one more angle. And congressional leaders as well as LULAC today are encouraging anyone with additional video to reach out. Mia, thank you. So that's the video of the chase and then there's some video of this man on the ground. Like most days, Salgado Araujo left his home Tuesday to lead to head to Houston's predominantly Hispanic east end to pick up the rest of his construction crew, his brother and two others before driving north to work on some homes, the family said. Shortly before 7:00am ICE agents tried to stop him, the agency said. CNN has asked DHS whether Immigration enforcement agents identified themselves to sell Gado Araujo. After the shooting, a federal agent on a phone kneels over a wounded man lying face down and moaning in pain beside a white SUV parked near a barber shop. Video shows the right side of the wounded man's stomach was bleeding, said Juliet Martinez, a Houston resident who recorded the video and shared it with cnn. He was screaming for help and screaming that he was in pain, martinez recalled. He yelled, help me. They shot me. Here's some video of Lorenzo Sagado Arau crying for help after ICE shot the unarmed man in Houston, Texas.

D

Oh,

A

I mean, horrible. You can see there who ran who off the road. Road. Like you could even tell there who rammed who, right? I mean that does that white van look like they just rammed that vehicle?

D

The whole pageant they did where you know, they shot, they killed pretty and good. And you remember Renee Good when he shot it. Remember what street that was on? You'll never guess what street it was. Yes, 33rd Street.

A

Oh, 33rd Street.

D

Oh yay. Oh, just like they caught the other guy, Tyler, in 33 hours. They're doing a little psychodrama play for everyone with this because this is so enraging. This is always to mess with you. I'm telling you, they, these aren't like just like random kind of things. They're, they're purposely doing this to stoke something up. You can feel this. I can hear about. It's enraging. It's enraging seeing this shit, man.

A

It's Horrible. It's horrible. It's absolutely horrible. I have my clock set to 3:30 in the background. It's out of frame, but I do it to. I do it to psyop you. I do it to psychologically torment.

D

Oh, I can't read that kind of time, dude. Believe it or not.

A

Yeah. Yeah. Emergency services were contacted immediately after Salgado Shiraho was shot. ICE said in an updated statement Wednesday his cause of death was a gunshot wound to the torso and the manner of death was ruled a homicide. The Harris County Institute of Forensic Sciences told CNN Thursday. Salgado Araujo's son believes his father would have complied with federal agents had he known the unmarked vehicle following him belonged to ice. Of course. I mean, think of how ridiculous and implausible the story is that a guy

D

who they were not after, a guy

A

who has no reason to feel they're after him. He's a Mexican national, so he's here legally. He's going to ram an ICE vehicle. How would he even know it's an ICE vehicle if it's an unmarked car? Like, the whole thing makes absolutely zero sense.

D

Reminds me of Frank Drebin in one of the Naked Guns where he's given a speech about how he's getting award for killing his 300th drug dealer and he goes, you know, luckily, a lot of those people later turned out to be drug dealers. Like, that's. It's like something out of a bad comedy is like, oh, it turned out he was illegal, so it's okay. We shot him randomly, though. We had the.

A

Well, that's the thing, even. I mean, no matter what, it's not okay to shoot a guy. But the. But the point is, like, Tim Pools

D

is going to tell me it is.

A

Well, yeah, that whole complex. Well, yeah, of course. Something. Yeah, Yeah.

D

I don't know, dude. He seems weird. Dude.

A

I mean, you're talking about. So. So the. The story, according to the government, is that a person who was here legally with no reason to think that ICE would be after him, rams an ICE vehicle that's not even marked as an ICE vehicle. So you'd have no idea who you're ramming into.

D

Their culture's incompatible with our.

A

And then they attacked you. Yeah, right. No, exactly. Or mistook this guy for someone they were after and they rammed him. Like, what?

D

Just.

A

Just think about it for two seconds. What on its face seems more plausible.

D

Look, not to be raises, but like, a lot of them, like, you know and I know. Dude.

E

Yeah.

D

I want to know how Many ICE people. I want, I want their citizenship checked because I promise you, if you, you. You're hiring people off a phone app and like a 15 minute interview and a chick that went in high who does a report on it and accidentally became an ICE member. I promise you there's illegals in ice.

A

I guarantee you it's going to come out. I guarantee you it's going to come out one day that there were some illegal immigrants in.

D

It'll be long after it's all.

A

It'll be after this. It won't be for a little while, but I'm telling you, it is going to years down the road. It will no doubt come out that

D

there was a murder. I mean, those ICE agents, well, they wear masks, I guess, but I promise you those are fellow Hispanics that like after Radio Shack didn't work out, they, you know. Yeah, that's, that's. Dude, you cannot believe how crazy it gets with like Mexican on illegal violence. Like it's real, real nuts.

A

I'm sure. Well, in Texas, I would imagine.

C

Yeah.

A

Salgado Araujo's son believes his father would have complied with federal agents had he known the unmarked vehicle following him belonged to ice. Of course. Obviously. Obviously. Exclusive from the Washington Post. Three men who were alongside Lorenzo Elgato Serrajo, who was killed in an immigration operation, said a federal officer fired at them almost immediately after exiting his vehicle. And then at no point did the driver veer in his direction.

D

Yeah, this is like Iraqi. And you know, whatever we do, the other people is gonna. They're gonna come home and do it to us and get ready because they're already doing it here in the country. Right now you've got the. Oh, it's illegals. But we already saw that fake. What was the drone assassination attempt at the UFC dirt bike festival at the White House.

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Oh, yeah, that thing.

D

And what was the terrorist? The clearly of normal intelligence, not a patsy terrorist. They were dissatisfied with the handling of the Epstein files. So that's your. That's the new radical Islam. Get ready for that as soon as they get done with these. Not even illegal immigrants, just people that kind of resemble the them. No, the next thing will be if you don't like how they handle the

A

Epstein files or if you're homeless, you know, they got lots of.

D

They're already harvesting their organs and. And selling their identities. And the numbers. Particularly in Austin, there's people in vans coming and the most common thing is to get to scam. Government benefit should gather up a bunch of homeless, steal Their identity, send them somewhere and they. And make them do like telemarketing of at best. But then the worst things are taking people's organs, grabbing people. You can't imagine the field day. I had no idea, by the way, until very recently. But Coop co op, that dude does good work. He did a thing around Austin talking the homeless. Yeah, no, they're a resource. That's why we don't get rid of that, because they're a resource like everything else.

A

Here's Joe and Mika. Joe Scarborough on the ice shooting down

D

people in the streets of America.

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Gunning down people in the streets of America.

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This is not going well.

C

Traumatizes and terrorizes communities and politically it's horrible for you. And yet you just continue.

D

And as we have said here from

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the very beginning, you will never get the numbers that you want to get.

D

Am I Scarborough?

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This, this, this is politically not sustainable.

C

When you just go out and you

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put these random numbers out there, telling

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ICE agents, you have to go out and you got to get these numbers

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or else you're going to get in trouble.

D

You won't be able to keep your job.

A

That's not sustainable because you will never reach those numbers. Yeah, that is actually a decent point by Joe Scarborough. Because it came out, you can't handle it F you. Yeah, exactly. If you can't handle it, F you. Best Biden ever. Right. It came out last week, week that ICE had arrested 10,000 in five days. Right. Now their, their, their quota is hitting 2,000 arrests per day. So of course this is a result of that. Right. When they double the number because it was down to a thousand quota.

D

Who would have thought that would be imperfect on so many.

A

Exactly. Well, it's very woke. It's very woke. That's a very DEI thing. Right, Right.

D

None of the ones are lowering wages. None of them. Those are the ones Trump said. No, we're going to make sure they're the ones. The whole point of having borders is to not have that. But Trump, he's not mass supporting them. They're going around just grabbing people as a big show.

A

Yeah. If you look like, well, it's midterm season, it's election season, and this is what Scarborough said there, too. He says this is politically poison and it's unsustainable. But it's the only move they have. They increase the deportation quota or the arrest quota, I should say, from 1,000 to 2,000 a day. And then days after they double the that quota, this happens. Of course. Of course. It's, it's common sense. If, if you create an arbitrary minimum that these ICE agents have to fulfill, then of course they're going to be after people who they shouldn't be after because they're going to be under pressure. Like, think of how sick that is to have a quota for arrest. Like we don't even think that's what we've done here the whole time. Oh, exactly. I mean, a very trivial example of this would be like where you see cops out on the highway at the end of the month because they got to meet their quota for, for pulling people over.

D

And right wing white guys complained, as my father and his father before him did, rightly so, because it's a shitty way to do it. But I'm gonna watch Mark Dice act like it's cool. I promise you that. I'm gonna watch Tim Pool. They're using assumptive reasoning, my friend. That little roundheaded. I'm gonna watch all these liars get on here and they're gonna act like it's like, oh, what are you upset and triggered by open murder by the federal government of people. What are you triggered?

A

Right, Exactly. Everything they don't like is woke. And that's an extension of this. But this is, this is of course an inevitable result of arbitrarily messing with the number of people that they have to arrest every day. Just like, like I was saying, man, you got state troopers out at the end of the month because we haven't caught enough people speeding. Well, what if there aren't that many people who are driving that high above the speed limit? Isn't that a good thing? Like, isn't. Isn't the point of having cops out there to stop people from speeding? No, it's about pulling people over to make money.

D

Yeah, well, my girl's from.

A

Yeah, it's not about keeping people safe on the roads. The same, same principle here, obviously. Much more high stakes, much more severe, but same thing. You know, this law and order shit, it's not about keeping anybody safe.

D

They won't do the thing where you put the thing on your car where it won't start if you're drunk, which would stop.

A

Oh yeah, everything thing. Exactly.

D

Will not do that there. Because they collect so much money catching you. Oh, that's good. Hey, I'm glad they're out there catching it. You know, it would be a foolproof plan. Don't do that. Don't solve the problem.

A

No, just give that to everybody. Exactly.

D

And I'm sure that doesn't apply to the pharma to pharma and the military and every other goddamn thing in this amazing, working, great, capitalist country that should be saved. If you've read my friend Eric Weinstein and Brett Weinstein work, of course.

A

Now, a friend of mine had one of those breathalyzer things in his car because he needed it. And it occurred to me, why doesn't everybody have this? Like, you could save a lot of lives and a lot of people. That's right. Exactly. That's it.

D

But not, like, results where you make sure your idea is working just enough to, like, get the money and everything else doesn't matter. I mean, what a dumb country. By the way, I got to go watch a dog die now. So this was great. Thanks you. Thank you.

A

All right, well, when you get done with that, you know, enjoy the rest of your Indonesia.

D

Every. I drink. I drink. Yeah, that's what's helped me a lot.

A

There we go. However you get through it, all right, thanks, Kurt. Appreciate it. You got it, guys. Bye. Bye. All right, everybody. That is our show. Appreciate you all very much for being here. Thanks, everybody. Thanks, Jimmy. Thanks to Steph. Thanks. Thanks to the team, of course, for helping out. Appreciate you all. I don't know who's in here on Monday, but it's not me. Russ will be back here on Wednesday. You can catch new dissidents on Sunday night, 7pm on YouTube. And rumble. And the Jimmy Dore show returns, of course, next week. Thanks to our guest, Caleb Maupin and Janine Eunice, and of course, Kurt Metzger on the mic as well. Always a pleasure to be here. Thanks very much. Have a great afternoon, everybody. Thanks for watching.