Tyler Robinson Text Messages Were Faked! Entire Case Collapses!

Kyle Anzlone

Establishment media sucks August lighting, so good luck. Bullshit. We can't afford why he's commenting this watch and see as his jack golf the medium speeds and jumps the medium

Misty Winston

and hit some head on.

Kyle Anzlone

It's the Jimmy Door Show.

Misty Winston

Hey everybody, listen, it wouldn't be a Misty Winston guest host spot if I didn't forget to unmute. Right? That's how we always start off here. Welcome to the Jimmy Dore Show. I am your guest host, Misty Winston. We have a jam packed show today. Genuinely, truly, I don't know how I'm going to get through everything. We're gonna do it together. I'm very excited though, because I do have several really cool people joining me on the show today. So I'm gonna bring in our first guest. He's Adam Clark. He's better known as Ruckus. He hosts and produces the Daily Ruckus, a news and opinion podcast on Alternate Current Radio. A self described jack of all trades, he works by day as the word slinger, a business and marketing consultant and graphic designer, and by night as a critical media analyst and commentator. He's a longtime regular on the Boiler Room and is a frequent, frequent guest and occasional co host on the Sunday Wire with Patrick Henningson. We love Patrick. He's also a regular contributor to Weaponized News with Sam Chaney and serves as the assistant chainsaw juggler at alternate Alternate Current Radio. And he also used to be my news producer when I worked at TNT Radio and, and he was my butt. And it's been a long time since we've done anything together, so I'm very excited. Adam, thank you so much for joining.

Adam Clark (Ruckus)

Hi, Missy. You're right, it's been, I think you described it on your social media post earlier. A hot minute is how the kids would say it. Right? I was thinking about that, actually. I was like, before I got on air, I was like, boy, it has been in quite a while. I'm really bad at the dates and so I couldn't tell you how many years ago it was, but it feels like forever ago. I can say this for certainly the world has changed a lot since then, but this space in particular media, alternative media, whatever this is, has gone through quite a bit of changes since the last time you and I shared airtime. So I'm very excited to be doing this and thank you so much for having me.

Misty Winston

Yeah, of course. And we have a lot to get through. As you said, the world has changed quite a bit and it seems like there's always a barrage of nonsense happening. So we're going to start off with what I consider to be a little bit of good news that we rarely get around these farts. Lindsey Graham, Wonderful. Lindsey Graham has died. Everybody. And I'm sure everybody's already heard about this. I'm sure everybody's already talked about this, seen all of the commentary and all of the tweets and all of the hagiographies and all of that stuff. So I wanted to talk about this from a very specific angle. And that is the constant moral pearl clutching whenever somebody horrible dies, as if we somehow need to pretend that they weren't horrible because they graced us with their death. And I feel like that is nonsense, Adam. And so we're gonna. I wanna just to make clear the kind of horrible person that Lindsey Graham was, which I'm sure most, most, if not all of the people here in this chat, watching this show, are aware that Lindsey Graham sucked. He was a terrible human being. Genuinely, that is just the reality of it. But this is just. We're going to go through just a few of the things and listen, we could make. This show is three hours long, usually longer because I ramble as I'm doing now, but I could make an entire show going through all of the horrible things Lindsey Graham has done and said over the years. So here's one.

Kyle Anzlone

This is.

Misty Winston

Oh, this is the statement on his death. This is actually one of the good things that he did. So this is just. The office of the US Senator Lindsay Graham released the following statement. On the evening of Saturday, July 11th. US Senator Lindsay Graham passed away from a brief and sudden illness, which is also a very strange thing. Senator Graham's family appreciates prayers at this time and asks for privacy during this incredibly difficult period. So let's just talk about Adam, a few of the things that he has done and said over the years. This is when he threw hurricane victims and his very own state to the side to talk about, of course, Israel.

Lindsey Graham (clips)

You know, I've been going all over South Carolina, like most people hadn't slept much, but look what's going on in Israel. Our friends in Israel, surrounded by people that want to kill them, destroy them. A second holocaust in the making. And Biden says be proportional. What is the proportional response to people who want to kill you and your family? They're running out of ammunition in Israel. We're going to, we have to help our friends to keep the war over there from coming here.

Misty Winston

The world, I mean,

Adam Clark (Ruckus)

broken record much there.

Misty Winston

Yeah. And this is right following a hurricane that affected his state severely. And he wants to talk about Israel. I mean, just an incredible lack of self awareness there, I think.

Adam Clark (Ruckus)

Very, very interesting clip, by the way. I'm not sure what the context was. Something to do with the election night, but it was on 33 days, so that's always fun right there for.

Misty Winston

Yeah.

Adam Clark (Ruckus)

Little time to track that stuff, right?

Misty Winston

Yeah, yeah. Interesting.

Lindsey Graham (clips)

Right?

Misty Winston

So here's another one, and this one is one that I think Jimmy covered here on the show. Actually, I may have covered it when I was guest hosting for Jimmy one of these days. I know I talked about it somewhere. I remember covering it. I don't remember on what show, but this was. And I know I talked about it with Kyle Anlone, who will be joining us later, by the way. But this is where he's talking about how Russians are dying. Now you are free. Yes, and we will be.

Lindsey Graham (clips)

And the Russians are dying. It's the best money we've ever spent.

Misty Winston

Thank you so much.

Lindsey Graham (clips)

No, it's.

Misty Winston

Russians are dying, Adam. It's the best money we've ever spent. What a classic.

Adam Clark (Ruckus)

That's a classic right there. Yeah.

Misty Winston

This is war. Classic war. Hawk Lindsey Graham. Everybody knows that this guy was a raging psychopath. He could. There couldn't be enough war for Lindsey Graham. It was what he loved most in this world. I think here is again him. He's discussing Ukraine and he's talking about how they'll fight to the last Ukrainian, which I love, by the way, that Lindsey Graham, very comfortable in his mansion in South Carolina, felt that he had any power whatsoever to tell Ukrainians that they must die. Like the very last Ukrainian must die for this war.

Lindsey Graham (clips)

I like the structural path we're on here. As long as we help Ukraine with the weapons they need and the economic support, they will fight to the last person.

Misty Winston

When is he going to fight? Well, he's not now. He's not going anywhere.

Adam Clark (Ruckus)

Well, this. This is a tragic side effect of most of these politicians. None of them, for the most part, have served and. Or send their family, their sons and daughters to go die for their wars, usually.

Misty Winston

No, they're never under any threat for that. And it's vile that they are fine and dandy sending your sons and daughters. My. My daughters. I'll be damned. I mean, Ukrainians and not even your country's people like you. This is like an entirely different country of people. And you're willing to send them off to sacrifice them on the altar of Western imperialism. It's just disgusting. But that was who Lindsey Graham was. That is exactly who he was. Here he is talking about how he wants to see. Oh, I'm sorry. No, this is. This is him talking about, of course, Israel. One of his other favorite things, war in Israel. His two favorite topics.

Lindsey Graham (clips)

Anti Semites, all the isolationists. I don't blame. Forget it. I'm not with you. I'm with Israel. I will be with Israel to our dying day. They're the best ally we could hope for. So we have a commander in chief and President Trump who I think is Ronald Reagan. Plus, plus, plus.

Misty Winston

He says that as if it's a good thing. It's hilarious. I mean, but, yeah, that's. He's with Israel. He's not with his fellow Americans. He is with Israel until his dying day.

Adam Clark (Ruckus)

Well, he said our. He said our dying day. Whatever that means, right?

Misty Winston

Is that what he said? Yeah, whatever that means. But, I mean, he kept his promise, I guess, for his own dying day.

Adam Clark (Ruckus)

I've always wondered that when you get, like, those lifetime guarantees with something, it's like, is it the lifetime of the product or the lifetime of you? I've never been clear on that.

Misty Winston

Yeah, that's actually a good point. I've never thought of it that way. Okay, so here he is talking about wanting to oust Putin. However.

Lindsey Graham (clips)

Yeah, I hope he'll be taken out one way or the other. I don't care how they take him out. I don't care if we send him to the Hague and try him. I just want him to go. Yes, I'm on record. Please understand. Senator Lindsey Graham. If John McCain were here, he'd be saying the same thing. I think it's time for him to go. He's a war criminal. I wish somebody had taken Hitler out in the 30s. So, yes, that Vladimir Putin is not a legitimate leader. He is a war criminal. He needs to be dealt with by the Russian people. I'm not asking to invade Russia to take him out. I'm not asking to send American ground forces in Ukraine to fight the Russian army. I am asking the Russian people to rise up and end this reign of terrorists for you and the world at large, that if you follow Putin, you're going to have zero future. I encourage what Zelensky said, that every American company leave Russia right now. Leave today. I encourage the world to strangle the Russian economy. Our war is not with the Russian people. In many ways, there's much of a victim as Putin, as anybody else. The young journalist yesterday who held up the sign. Now, that takes guts. People like that change history. So how do I think this ends? I Think if we stick with it, that if we help the Ukrainians fight for their own freedom, provide them reasonable assistance on the military front to regain control of their skies, help them with food and clothing and economic assistance and strangle the Russian economy, that there will be forces emerge inside of Russia to end this. So I think the world is better off without Putin.

Misty Winston

I can't listen to him anymore. I always find it amusing, Adam, when people, especially politicians from the United States, think that they get to finger wag at literally anyone else for being a war criminal. I don't know where they think they get the moral superiority, but it doesn't exist if you are American.

Adam Clark (Ruckus)

It's crazy their mommies didn't teach them that thing like when you point a finger at somebody, you got 1, 2, 3, point and back catch you or something like that, Right?

Misty Winston

Yeah. Where's the Sophie Cunningham meme that's been going around that I need right now?

Adam Clark (Ruckus)

Oh, that's right, the pointing lady, right?

Misty Winston

Yeah, yeah, the WNBA player.

Adam Clark (Ruckus)

He's got this obsession with repeating like these horrible words like strangle. We need to strangle. I'm like, use it once, it's fine. I guess that's normal. As a writer, I can see how you want to use flowerly language to keep it fresh and entertaining, but to repeat these types of words just says a lot about your personality. The guy is definitely or was in past tense now. Psychopath.

Guest or caller (brief interjections)

Yes.

Misty Winston

Yeah. There's no question about it. There is no. I mean, I'm not a doctor, so I guess I can't say there's no question about it because I don't really have any business diagnosing people. But in my very amateur opinion, and I am kind of obsessed with psychopathy and in particular serial killers, like, I'm fascinated by that type of brain. And he really fits the bill. I mean, there's just no question. And I don't think that really there's any. I don't think most people would debate that. And I think that most people who reach that level of power are on a little bit of that. You know what I'm saying? Like, you can't, because in order to reach that level of power, you have to be willing to do some really horrendous things. And he definitely fits that bill. There's no question about it. So here is another one.

Lindsey Graham (clips)

President Trump is in the process of doing it. They're going to lose and we're going to win Israel in the United States. You just wait to see what comes in the next two weeks.

Misty Winston

To the next two weeks.

Co-host or assistant (handling super chats)

Meaning what?

Lindsey Graham (clips)

We're going to blow the hell out of these people. This.

Misty Winston

We're going to blow the hell out of these people. That's what he said. Just so casual about it too. That's what I find so fascinating is the just how casually he speaks about blowing people up, taking people out. It's very strange. Again, not that psychopathy, I think poking through there.

Adam Clark (Ruckus)

Oh, people don't do that. I don't do that. Do you do that?

Misty Winston

No, no, quite the opposite actually. I don't. I, I can't even imagine having that type of brain. I can't even imagine having that type of brain. I have far too much empathy and overabundance of it, in fact, that I, I mean, I wish I had maybe a little bit more of that because it sucks to be overly empathetic. But yeah, he's a raging psychopath. And this is again, I'm just showing you, like this is the people that they are asking you now to, to praise as he was a good person. And you'll see all these politicians out here, like Alexandria Ocasio Cortez and I think Ro Khanna has a post out and all of these so called progressive politicians who were like, yeah, we disagreed but he was, you know, he had character and spunk and he, you know, he really fought for. No, he was a scumbag, a bonafide scumbag. And it is okay to say that if you don't want to be called a scumbag after you die, don't be a scumbag when you are alive. It's really that simple. And I feel like there is this weird thing and that's why I wanted to talk about this. There's this weird thing that happens when these people die that everybody wants to clutch their pearls and pretend like it's not okay to speak the truth and the reality. Like you're not supposed to speak ill of the dead. No. Like if I would have said this to his face if he were alive, I'm not going to just pretend he was somebody he wasn't because he died. Like that's weird to me. It's always been weird to me. I don't like it. I feel like you should just be honest about who he was as an individual and nothing about that changes just because he died, guys, like, it's okay. You can still, you know, be honest with yourself about who he was and speak it into existence. It was who he was. Here's another one. This is one of my favorite ones. Where he's talking about how Donald Trump is his favorite president. And you'll see why.

Lindsey Graham (clips)

I just want to say I feel good about the Republican Party. I feel good about where we're going as a nation. We're killing all the right people. We're cutting your taxes. Trump is my favorite president. We've run out of bombs. We didn't run out of bombs in World War II.

Misty Winston

We've run out of bombs. That's why Trump is his favorite president, because Trump bombed enough people to run out of bombs. I mean, Barack Obama did that, too. I wonder if he was a big fan of Barack Obama, because Barack Obama bombed enough people to run out of bombs, too, in Syria. So somehow I don't think that that probably would have been as exciting for him. But there you have it. Trump is his favorite president because we ran out of pumps and he was

Adam Clark (Ruckus)

clearly drunk during that little speech or whatever that. I mean, he was literally swaying and slurring and everything. So you'll have to forgive him this time. Of course, he probably would have said the exact same thing, if not worse, if he was completely sober.

Misty Winston

So, yes, I mean, listen, again, I could have literally done an entire three hour show just on these clips over. And I mean, it's hard to even choose which ones to show because there are so many of them of him being just a repugnant piece of crap.

Adam Clark (Ruckus)

And. And it's worse than that, Misty. I mean, I guess. Well, I guess it's okay. I mean, is it too soon? But most people, especially in this sphere, looked at the guy and saw the way he reacted to the death and destruction and honestly, truly thought that he was getting like a raging boner over the whole thought of the death and destruction, which again, you know, some of this stuff, like, because you watched some of that true crime in those detective shows, that's another sign that you're sick in the head, right?

Misty Winston

Yes, yes, 100% in the head. You're 100% right. And we're going to play. Caitlin Johnstone wrote a piece kind of expressing the same thing I'm expressing here, but obviously in much better terms, because she's a really great writer, but she talks about his, like, sexual attraction to war. And it's. It's weird and it's gross and I don't understand it, but that's who he was. And I feel like, again, it's okay to just admit that that's who he was. So I have like a gazillion other ones that. Between. Actually, let me play one more Terrible one about him because I feel like this is pretty nasty where he's talking about using nukes.

Lindsey Graham (clips)

He decided to end the war by bombing Hiroshima, Nagasaki with nuclear weapons. That was the right decision. Give Israel the bombs they need to end the war they can't afford to lose and work with them to minimize casualties. Can I say this? Why is it okay for America to not to drop two nuclear bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki to end their existential threat war? Why was it okay for us to do that? I thought it was okay to Israel do whatever you have to do to survive as a Jewish state senator.

Misty Winston

I mean, it wasn't okay. Hope that helps.

Adam Clark (Ruckus)

Exactly. Somebody had to say it, right?

Misty Winston

Yeah. The idea that that's his argument is like, it was okay for us to drop nukes on Japan, so why can't Israel drop nukes on Gaza? Like it wasn't okay, my guy. But that's the way his. That's his mentality. But the ones that I wanted to show that just because I thought this was very funny. So Lindsey Graham was stuck up Trump's ass in the later years of his life, but they weren't always buds. He had a really big problem with him. In 2015, 2016, there was a lot of John McCain stuff that went on. I'm sure you guys all remember that Trump often said terrible things about John McCain, which is fine by me. But Lindsey Graham was very good friends with John McCain, so that really rustled his feathers. So he was not happy about that. But this was just. Just to show you the dynamic that they used to have where they were definitely not good friends. And Trump did something that's actually kind of funny. But we'll. Let's just show. I'll show the Lindsey Graham clip, and then we'll show Trump's reaction to it,

Lindsey Graham (clips)

that he's a jackass, really, that he's bringing his name down and he's not helping the process, and he shouldn't be commander in chief. If you. I want to be commander in chief of the armed forces. You need to understand that John McCain and all like him, not just John, are truly American heroes. That when you put yourself in harm's way, that makes you a hero. But you know what I think makes you a hero when you're the spouse raising kids, when your loved one's deployed. I've been in the military for 33 years. It truly is a team and a family. So what he said about John, I think was offensive. He's becoming a jackass at a time when we need to have a serious debate about the future of the party and the country.

Misty Winston

I mean, I guess a broken clock is right twice a day. I agree with him. Trump's a jackass. No question about it, right? No question about that. Yeah, but this was Trump's reaction.

Adam Clark (Ruckus)

Remember the phone thing? Trump also gave. He doxxed his phone number.

Misty Winston

That's what I'm about to show you.

Adam Clark (Ruckus)

Oh, okay. Sorry.

Misty Winston

No, it's okay. That's what I'm about to show you. Because it is kind of funny. Like this.

Co-host or assistant (handling super chats)

This is.

Misty Winston

This is classic Trump.

Donald Trump (clips)

So he calls me a jackass this morning, and I said to myself, you know, it's amazing. He doesn't seem like a very bright guy.

Lindsey Graham (clips)

Okay.

Donald Trump (clips)

He actually probably seems to me not as bright, honestly, as Rick Perry. But today I got called a jackass by this guy. Then I said to myself, hey, didn't this guy call me, like, four years ago? Yes, he called me four years ago.

Baron Coleman or other commentator

Three.

Donald Trump (clips)

Four years ago. Lindsey Graham. I didn't even know who he was. He goes, Mr. Trump, this is Senator Lindsey Graham. I wonder if it would be possible for you to call Fox, because, you know, until I ran, I had that little thing, which I'd do it just for fun. Fox and Friends are so great. Brian and Steve and Elizabeth. They're great people, right? They're great. And he wanted to know whether or not I could give him a good reference on Fox and Friends.

Lindsey Graham (clips)

Okay.

Donald Trump (clips)

He wanted to know, would I do that? And then, of course, he wanted to know whether or not he could come and see me for some campaign contribution. And he gave me his number, and I found the card. I wrote the number down. I don't know if it's the right number. Let's try it. 202.

Baron Coleman or other commentator

I don't know.

Donald Trump (clips)

Maybe it's, you know, it's three, four years ago, so maybe it's an old number. 202. 202228, 0292. So, I don't know. Give it a shot.

Misty Winston

It's amazing. So funny. Oh, classic trolling. Like, that's classic Trump. Like, the funny side of Trump. Trump is obviously a menace to society. Like, but then he does funny stuff, and at least he's entertaining. I mean, listen, if we got to live in the collapse of Empire, at least we got to find the silver linings. And at least he's entertaining. I guess that's about all we can work with there.

Adam Clark (Ruckus)

So that was easier to say his first time around, though, unfortunately.

Misty Winston

Very true. Yes, yes. He's not really funny anymore. Honestly, now he just seems to be unnecessarily cruel, petulant, throwing temper tantrums constantly. It's just constant. Y'. All, my kids are better behaved. My kids have always been better behaved. Like, my kids didn't throw tantrums that large. He is a giant man baby.

Adam Clark (Ruckus)

And yes, he exhumes this certain genus cringe. That's what it is.

Misty Winston

100%. Yes, he's a disaster. But I just thought that that was funny just to show you that, you know, as much as Lindsey Graham was up his ass at the end of his life, there was a time when they were not friends. And I think it just goes to show you that political. Political opportunism can mend any relationship. That's really all that it amounts to is if there's some political. If it's politically advantageous for Lindsey Graham to kiss Donald Trump's ass, he will do it. He did do it, and that's just how politics works. But here I wanted to just play really quickly again. I promise. This is. It's only like three minutes long. It's read by her husband, but this is a piece that Caitlin Johnstone wrote in response to Lindsey Graham's death.

Narrator or voiceover reading article

Well, at least Lindsey Graham is dead. The only positive thing about the Iran war heating up again is that Lindsey Graham won't be around to enjoy it. The bloodthirsty South Carolina senator breathed his last on Saturday, succumbing to what his office describes as a brief and sudden illness. After a political career dedicated to promoting wars, airstrikes, and proxy conflicts at every possible opportunity, people have long poked fun at the hypocrisy of Lindsey Graham living as an obvious closeted gay man in a political party with a virulently anti LGBTQ platform. I personally have always found Graham's sexual attraction to men a lot less interesting than his sexual attraction to acts of mass military slaughter. Ever since the death of Graham's dear friend John McCain, nobody on Capitol Hill has been able to match his gleeful enthusiasm for the shredding of human bodies using high priced war machinery. Wherever there was any debate about dropping bombs, launching missiles, toppling foreign governments, arming proxy forces, or imposing starvation sanctions, you could always count on Lindsey Graham to be the first and loudest voice arguing in favor of more death and destruction. Graham has personally taken credit for persuading President Trump to begin the war with Iran. In the months leading up to his unexpected demise, the senator had advocated for direct US Military interventionism in Iran, Cuba, Venezuela, Yemen, Nigeria, Lebanon, and Palestine, and had just returned from a trip to Kyiv promoting the US Proxy war against Russia. He was literally pushing for more war and military expansionism until the very end of his life. All the world's worst people are publicly expressing their grief about the loss of their beloved war slut. From Trump to Benjamin Netanyahu to Itamar Ben GVIR to Tom Cotton to Mike Huckabee. Meanwhile, everyone who's not a warmongering psychopath is having a splendid day. Of course, we're seeing imperial narrative managers like Piers Morgan wagging their fingers and chiding their audiences not to speak ill of the dead, but to hell with them. We're not doing that. Politeness is not more important than Lindsey Graham's victims. The liberal desire for propriety and nice feelings does not outweigh the importance of naming and shaming Graham's frenetic scramble to murder as many human beings as he possibly could throughout his evil, miserable life. Lindsey Graham is dead, and it is good that he is dead. May his omnicidal ideology soon join him in the arms of the cold, cold ground. May the insane, insatiable God he worshiped cease to gain recognition on this planet. Lindsey Graham is dead. At least that's one good thing. No matter what else happens today, they can't take that away from us.

Misty Winston

And there you go. And just to be clear, I just want to end on this. As Caitlin mentioned in that piece, the likes of Mike Huckabee and Benjamin Netanyahu and GVIR and all of the world's worst people are mourning Lindsey Graham's death. So this is what I had to say to that. If people like this mourn your death, just know I am celebrating it. And that's how I feel about that. When Ben GVIR is mourning your death, you're probably on the wrong side of a few issues. So there you go.

Adam Clark (Ruckus)

I saw a post from Satan, too, who said he was very upset to hear the news. Just saying,

Misty Winston

oh, a little bit of good news to start the show off. You gotta love it. Okay, we're gonna move on. And again, thank you for joining us here on the Jimmy Dore Show. I'm your guest host for today, Misty Winston. I'm joined by my friend Ruckus, who Adam Clark, but we call him Ruckus. I call him Ruckus. I've always called him Ruckus, but are here today talking about multiple different things. We're going to move now to Mitch McConnell, which is a very. This story is very interesting. Mitch McConnell kind of disappeared a little while ago. We don't really know what happened. They've been very strangely vague and they're obviously lying. I don't think there's any question about it. They're obviously lying. What's going on? What I find interesting about this though is that a US Senator, a sitting US Senator, can quite literally disappear off the the earth And. No. Can you imagine, Adam, like if you disappear from your job, you, you get fired. Like, there's no question about it. They're trying to claim that he's actually working from the hospital with his staff. And everybody knows that that's crap. We've all seen the videos of Mitch McConnell over the years. He can barely form a coherent sentence. There's often times where he will just like completely zone out space out, stare off into space as if he's has having some sort of seizure or something. So the idea that Mitch McConnell is still functional is ridiculous. But now he's been like missing in action for like a month or so. So this is a statement that was released from Senator Mitch McConnell's office and it says, U.S. senator Mitch McConnell released the following note to constituents regarding his hospitalization and recovery. To my fellow Kentuckians, when you elected me to a seventh term and made me our commonwealth's large longest serving senator, you did so trusting that I'd keep showing up to fight for you every day. And over the past several weeks, Elaine and I have appreciated both your well wishes and your honest questions about what was keeping me away from you all Know how folks of my generation often hesitate to share the vulnerability that comes with growing older. Even in the public eye, I feel that same instinct. I can't help it, but at the same time, I've had more than my share of experience with physical vulnerabilities. Surviving childhood polio. Here he goes with the feel sorry for me. You gotta throw that in there. Surviving childhood polio meant spending my entire life with mobility challenges. They haven't exactly gotten easier to manage with age. And last month I took a fall which landed me in the hospital. My doctors have confirmed that I didn't break any bones or suffer a concussion. I didn't have a heart attack or a stroke. I don't have any tumors or hemorrhages, but I was briefly unconscious and was taken to the hospital while receiving excellent care. Over the past several weeks, I've also had to deal with a mild case of pneumonia. I can assure you that I've been a good patient. At my age, I tend to do what my doctors tell me to do. I've submitted to every test they can think of to help figure out what caused this incident. And I'm continuing to do everything they ask to speed my recovery. In fact, with signs of continued progress, I've been able to move from hospital care to a rehabilitation center where I'll keep regaining my strength. As much as it frustrates me, this process takes time. And on the advice of my doctors, I won't be able to return to the Senate floor to vote quite yet. But rest assured that in the meantime, I'm not taking a break from the Senate business that matters to you. I've been working closely with my legislative staff on current issues and with my Kentucky team, who help provide me timely constituent services across our Commonwealth. I've also been keeping in touch with my Senate colleagues on the appropriations process, midterm politics and. And everything in between. You're right to expect your representatives to work hard for you. And part of my decision to retire at the end of my term this coming January was being honest about the demands of Senate work. But I still have unfinished business to complete on your behalf and I have every intention of finishing the job you elected me to do. I'll keep working hard to get back on the Senate floor as soon as possible and I'll keep you posted on the progress of my recovery. Until then, I'm so grateful for your prayers and well wishes. And then they included this note from the office of the attending physician supposedly that he is seeing. And that's this says Senator McConnell has experienced several falls throughout the year that have been attributed to his post polio condition. He was admitted to the hospital four weeks ago after falling at home and sustaining minor, minor injuries. A comprehensive evaluation by a multidisciplinary team determined that he had no fractures, cardiac abnormalities, stroke, tumor or hemorrhage. Early in his hospitalization, he developed pneumonia which responded rapidly to antibiotic treatment. The remainder of his hospital stay focused on physical therapy and strategies to reduce his risk of future falls. He has been medically cleared to continue fully participating in his intensive physical therapy program. And then they released this photo, which is the weirdest thing I've ever seen. It's like it looks like a, like a kidnap victim, like a hostage situation where he's got like the paper very like conveniently displayed. And there's been a lot of talk

Adam Clark (Ruckus)

the proof of life thing that they do, right?

Guest or caller (brief interjections)

Yes.

Misty Winston

And true crime nerd. I instantly thought and this is very niche. But if you follow true crime, I thought Israel Keys. That's what I thought. If you know, you know I won't get into it because it's very, like, morbid. But that's what, like, the first thing I thought of was, holy crap. Israel Keys. But this just. Adam, there's a lot of talk about this. A lot of people are saying that it's AI, which it's possible. I know that several people that I know have run it through multiple AI detection programs. Now, granted, those are not necessarily like 100%, but most of them are saying that it's a legitimate photo. But this. Come on. Come on, guys. This is weird. I mean, I don't know. I don't know if this is an old picture because suddenly he looks better than he did. Like, he looks younger. Like his hair looks a little bit darker. I don't know. Adam, what do you think? Do you think this is a legitimate photo? Do you think this is AI? Do you think this is just like Photoshop enhanced to make him look better? What's your take on this?

Adam Clark (Ruckus)

I think it could be any of those things. And that's the damn problem. Right? I mean, we have. We have no institution, no process to trust other than what William Cooper used to teach us. We have to prove things for ourselves, which is very difficult to do in this instance. But remember back in the day, like, there was a paparazzi that would follow the celebrities around all the time and always be in their face and always know exactly where they are and what they're doing. How come we can't have something like that going on and following this guy around and we see him on the tmz, like, there he is. And he's just. There he was. He just picked up a Happy Meal at McDonald's or whatever. Yeah, all of this is fishy. And I think it's all intentionally meant to be fishy. What's actually the most interesting thing to me is that statement that you read right there. Now that he's working from home, we'll call it. He's doing the remote worker thing. Misty. That's all right. We'll just call him a remote worker now. So he's writing the statements now and doing all that instead of standing up there and taking a God awful long time to explain what he's saying. Freeze in the middle of it for 20 minutes and then get back to it. So what you just read right there would have taken him like at least a couple hours. So he's clearly saving us time, money, effort. He's. This is a good thing. I like this, this hybrid work, Mitch McConnell, turtle thing, whatever. Yeah. But no I'm not buying it. I don't, I don't think he's okay. I think they're really trying to hide his death because they don't want Massey to have a chance at any sort of special election.

Misty Winston

Yeah, 100%, I absolutely agree with that. It feels like digital Weekend at Bernie's. You know what I mean? Like, this is them, like propping him up digitally. Like, look, he's alive. I'm not sure if I buy it. Maybe he is alive. I don't know. But even if he is alive, I think we all know that he is not running anything. He's making zero decisions. I mean, as I mentioned earlier, bro can't even form a coherent, coherent thought. Like that's been the case for some time now. This is not a new thing with Mitch McConnell. He has been ineffective and incompetent for a very long time now. And I think that you're right. I think that they don't want Massie to have a chance to jump in and potentially take his spot. So I. But how long could they possibly keep this from people? I don't know the answer to that.

Adam Clark (Ruckus)

I mean, that, that I could say they could easily do this type of digital thing because we live in the digital age. I mean, most people won't even leave their freaking houses to go see what's happening at their neighbors and they'd rather see check up with them on their Facebook page. It's crazy. So I think it would be very easy to do. I think it's also why it's very easy for them to manipulate any sort of information in the age of X and Twitter and TikTok and all that stuff. So, yeah, very concerning. But there are, there's at least a number of things that are just like tells that are just like, well, this is, this is beyond fishy. This is not normal. And clearly there's some sort of COVID up going. It raises the conspiracy theory armchair detective heckles. The number one is the, the pose. They're doing it this way with the newspaper, the proof of life video. Right, we already mentioned that. The other thing is that this, this insistence from the doctor that even though he's fallen many times before, he's had these episodes and he's always hurt himself. This time he magically was. He just, he just temporarily passed out. Everything's fine. There's no heart attack, no broken bones, no bleeding, no issues whatsoever. We're just taking it easy. We're just working from home. Sorry we haven't been around for, for a Month. But here's what's going on.

Lindsey Graham (clips)

Hi.

Adam Clark (Ruckus)

Here's a. So it's like, wow, what are you doing? That's just kind of weird. They. They could. If they are using AI, they should be using AI to write a better script. That's what they should be doing, Misty.

Misty Winston

Yeah, good point. But on that note, honey, show them you're okay. See, I told you he was okay. He's doing great, guys. Everything's fine. Don't worry.

Adam Clark (Ruckus)

That was so real. Definitely.

Misty Winston

Everything's fine, guys. Yeah, I mean, listen, we are in the digital age. They can absolutely. They can absolutely do this. So. And as you mentioned earlier, the problem with this. And every time something like this happens, it lays it bare. The issue with this is that we live in a country where we cannot trust any of our institutions, we can't trust our media, we can't trust the government, we can't trust any of our elected officials. And that's what leads to. I mean, we have to be incredibly skeptical at all times, and we have to constantly try to suss out what is real and what's not at all times, which is very intentional. They want us all confused and they want us all chasing our tails, and that's just. This is just another example of that. So there you go, guys. Mitch McConnell's fine. Everything's fine. Don't worry about it. Everything's cool. I mean, whatever. I don't know. All right, let's move on. And again, thank you for tuning in to the Jimmy Dore Show. I am your guest host for today, Misty Winston. I'm joined. I'm your friend Adam Clark. We call him Ruckus around here. And we're gonna jump now to Jack, who is a raging. We all know that, right? But this is very interesting. This is the. The Charlie Kirk saga, obviously, has been going on, the trials going on right now. It is insanely. I don't even. I don't. I don't. It's very difficult for me to imagine why anyone. And it's. Every time something like this happens, I'm very confused by people who just buy the official narrative without any questioning whatsoever. And it's always so interesting to me, and it's happening right now. People who are like, oh, yeah, they're telling us the truth, are people who have in the past been incredibly skeptical, rightfully so, about other narratives and other stories, but for some reason on this. And I find that psychology fascinating, where you recognize the fact that you can't trust the government. And, like, for me, my jumping off Point is always they're lying. And then I go from there. And I feel like there are people who previously understood that and who are now just swallowing whatever is being told to them. So this I thought was very interesting, though. They are currently having him do this. Absolute nonsense. He's lying straight to your face. But Frontlines tpusa posted this, and he's talking about the details. Video of Tyler Robinson in today's preliminary hearing of allegedly taking the shot that killed Charlie Kirk. Judge Tony Graff is expected to rule on whether probable cause exists for trial following written briefs. So here's the video where Jack is talking about the supposed video of the shooter and the shooting taking place.

Jack (Charlie Kirk trial commentator)

I think everything's been proven. I think it's.

Court official or prosecutor

It's.

Jack (Charlie Kirk trial commentator)

I think it's proven. I would say beyond probable cause at this point. I think that the question for me is how do you even get reasonable doubt when there's so much evidence? But the thing that I do just have to say is that I know that you guys watching on live stream couldn't see the last video that was shown. Edited. It was zoomed in. It was zoomed in from the surveillance video off campus and specifically the part of, you know, the LOSI center, the roof. And you see everything. You see everything. He climbs over, he assembles the gun, he runs over, over to the edge, you know, gets down in a prone position, and you see the time, and we all know what time. And it. It just. It's. It was like so slow. Just watching those seconds, click, click, click. And then you. And then you see him take the shot, and he takes the shot and then immediately runs. And we've seen that video already. But I. I wasn't. I knew we were going to watch that, but I wasn't. I wasn't prepared to see this side of what happened because we've never seen it before. The other end of the shot, obviously,

Misty Winston

I don't know if it's me.

Adam Clark (Ruckus)

I can restart forces, outside forces.

Misty Winston

Yeah, well, I've also been having Internet issues. We had to have some people out the other day to work on my Internet. So I'll start it over. We don't have to play the whole thing. We'll just. Where he talks about the actual video because he's lying. Just. Again, let me just get that out there.

Jack (Charlie Kirk trial commentator)

I think everything's been proven. I think it's. It's. I think it's. I think it's proven. I would say beyond problems, probable cause at this point. I think that the question for me is is how do you even get reasonable doubt when there's so much evidence? But the thing that I do just have to say is that I know that, you know, you guys watching on live stream couldn't see the, the last video that was shown. Well, it wasn't edited. It was, it was zoomed in. It was zoomed in from the surveillance video off campus and specifically the part of, you know, the Losey center, the roof. And you see everything. You see everything. He climbs over, he assembles the gun, he runs over to the edge, you know, gets down in a prone position, and you see the time, and we all know what time, and it just, it's, it was like so slow. Just watching those seconds, click, click, click. And then you, and then you see him take the shot, and he takes the shot and then immediately runs. And we've seen that video already, but I, I wasn't, I knew we were going to watch that, but I wasn't, I wasn't prepared to see this side of what happened because we'd never seen it before.

Misty Winston

Okay, he's lying. He's absolutely lying. That video does not exist. And in fact, here, in fact, here's the prosecution stating clearly in court to the judge that the video that he is claiming that he just watched does not exist.

Donald Trump (clips)

Is there footage of, Of the, of the alleged shooting?

Misty Winston

There is not, Judge.

Donald Trump (clips)

Okay, I just want to clarify that, Ms. Nestor, given that additional information and anything further from defense.

Misty Winston

No, but I, I, I think I'd

Court official or prosecutor

like to be crystal clear. You asked if there's any portion of this video that captures, and I believe you asked, of the actual shooting. There's no video of that. There is video, however, and you've heard testimony related to this, where the shooter goes to the top of the LOSI building, goes out to the edge of

Misty Winston

the building, low crawls, and then leaves

Court official or prosecutor

after what we assume is the shot being fired. That's as close as it gets.

Misty Winston

He lied. He very much lied to your faces. That video that he is claiming that he saw does not exist as expressed in court to the judge very clearly. So why they have him out here? I mean, and I love the, the fake emotion about it, too, about how the, the family was there and they had to be forced to watch this, and I wasn't prepared to see it from this side. Well, it doesn't exist, so, I mean, great acting, I guess, but that video does not exist. Adam, what do you think about that?

Adam Clark (Ruckus)

I think this is, this is, this is the Mandela effect misty thing, which is happening a lot Faster now that they turned CERN off. I think that's what's happening here. So in. In the real reality, before they flipped the switch and changed everything, he did see that video, and that video did exist, and we're just experiencing the Mandela effect. Yeah. I don't know. And even. Even what you just played there was a little confusing to me. I'm still unclear as to whether or not there was an actual video that he actually watched something, but he may have blown it out of proportion or was mistaken about what he thought he was seeing, or I don't think he was mistaken about what he was seeing, if he saw anything at all. But, yeah, very interesting because he has to refer to, like, what he's describing there as something that, oh, yeah, you guys didn't get to see this. But here's what happened. Just trust me, bro. Trust me, bro. Yeah, here's how it went down. Right?

Misty Winston

That's my favorite part. When they say trust me, bro. Like, this is what I saw. Just trust me on this. And I just want to remind you guys that this is who we're dealing with, okay? This guy. This is who we're dealing with. The guy that went to the White House and paraded around with this little binder, pretending as if he got some amazing scoop about the Epstein files, and it was absolutely nothing. So this is not the first time that this particular individual has been used in some sort of way to further an agenda, to perpetuate a psyop, to lie to people. This is kind of his shtick. This is what he has done. It's. It's what he's used for. And I just thought that this was also very funny, too. Somebody changed the. The COVID of the thing to Tyler Robinson shooting video because it's kind of in the same.

Adam Clark (Ruckus)

He was. He was not alone during that. That binder ordeal. No, it's just.

Misty Winston

No, there was how many people.

Adam Clark (Ruckus)

This is a bigger problem. There was a lot. There was a little group. It was like the. The gang of eight or so. I don't remember how many there were, but Cat turd. Cat turd was there.

Co-host or assistant (handling super chats)

Yeah.

Misty Winston

They use Libs of Tick Tock and that's right. This douche canoe. Like, what are we doing? And the idea that anybody bought into that or buying into this again is endlessly fascinating to me. The idea that people thought that they were just going to hand out a binder of the Epstein files to a bunch of weird Internet people, like, not. Listen, I'm not a journalism gatekeeper. I feel like that's a very dangerous slope. I feel like anybody who wants to go looking for the truth, in my opinion, is a journalist. That's essentially what journalism is. It's just looking outside and reporting what you see. And so I don't mean to sound like a journalism gatekeeper, but the idea that they were giving him to libs of TikTok and Mr. An actual cat turd instead of people who have at least a modicum of credibility, who have participated in covering big stories before, who have, I mean, like the Glenn Greenwalds of the world or. And obviously they're not going to use Glenn Greenwald because this is why they use these terms. Right? This is exactly why. They didn't want people with credibility. They didn't want people who would actually suss out that this was all nonsense. They wanted these types of people who will do anything for clout. And that's basically what they were doing. They were just clout chasing. And that's their whole shtick. That's. That's how they operate. And this is just another example of that. But this, just so you guys know, he's lying to your face. He's going out on camera and telling you that he saw something that doesn't exist, as was very clearly expressed in court. So that's who he is. I don't know why he has any credibility left. I don't know why people are listening to anything that he has to say on any subject. He should have lost all credibility with the Epstein Binder nonsense. Every single person involved in that should have lost. Lost their, like, not lost their platform, like being censored or silenced or suppressed. I don't. I'm not down for that. But everybody who, like, watch them, listen to them should have stopped. Like you should have stopped there. And they should have just been kind of ignored out of public life. That's kind of how I feel. The market should have spoken and they should have been. It should have been over at that point. Okay.

Adam Clark (Ruckus)

Elon Musk was rewarding those people with his Xbox stuff there. Just.

Lindsey Graham (clips)

Yeah.

Misty Winston

Yes, yes, yes. That's who these people are. Okay, we're gonna take a quick break. We'll be right back. Oh, almost did it again. Hey, everybody. Welcome to the Jimmy Dore Show. I am your guest host. Misty Winston, who is known for leaving herself muted, is my red flag. Okay, so we are joined today by my pal, Adam Clark. Adam is a good friend of mine. He used to be my news editor over at TNT Radio. So we work together every day for a long time. It's been a while since we've done anything, so I'm very excited to have him here. Okay, Adam, we have kind of a lengthy video we're going to. And this is from Baron Coleman, and it's discussing the Charlie Kirk trial thing that is going on. There's a lot of drama that's happening in that, obviously. So we're gonna. He is discussing a certain aspect of the trial, of the evidence that's being presented, and why there are some issues. It is a very long video and this is just. I mean, we even tried to cut it down. We're not going to play it all. I'll play a little bit and then we'll kind of discuss, you know, what we think about it. But it is very interesting. So I definitely recommend go watch the full thing for yourself in entirety. I think that's important. Just go watch the whole thing. There's a lot of things that he goes over in detail that we're not gonna be able to get into here. But. But let's just dive right in and I'll kind of stop and go if we have some things to say about it.

Baron Coleman or other commentator

There's a guy on X named Diligent Denizen. Diligent Denizen. I'll show you his post here. Diligent Denizen spent the week on the ground in Utah. There was a rumor that Tyler Robinson had gone to Panguitch, Utah, about three hours from Orem, about a little under three hours, maybe 255 from Orem, and that he was spotted there after 9:00'.

Misty Winston

Clock.

Baron Coleman or other commentator

Well, if you do a little math, if he spotted there at 9 o' clock and it's three hours away, that's midnight. We'll look at the text messages and say, if he was in Aurum, could he have sent these text messages? So just bear with me, we'll get there. But now we're finding out it was closer to 10pm that he was there, which would make it nearly impossible for him to be back to orem until about 12:30 or later. And again, we'll look at the text messages, the alleged text messages between Tyler Robinson, Lance Twigs and ask you, is it even possible? Is it even possible Diligent Denizen was on the ground and interviewed the staff at Cowboys Smokehouse. These were the people who served Tyler Robinson, who took his credit card payment, who checked him out at the end of the night. Two of the witnesses, 100 positively ID Tyler. Yes, that was his voice. Yes. That's his face. Yes, that's what he was wearing. It's unquestionable. There's no doubt. Here's the credit card that he gave us, you know, or he gave us a credit card. He paid, he checked out. Maybe it was a debit card. And they. They contacted the FBI with that information, but they were wholly unsatisfied with the FBI's response. It was really just kind of a. Oh, you heard he was a penguin. Okay, we'll follow up. We need anything. And then they kind of got off the phone, and so they reached out to Candace. Candace broke this news months ago. They reached out to Candace and said, hey, this guy was here. And the FBI doesn't seem very encouraged to look into it. Now, neither the prosecution nor the defense has contacted the restaurant. They've not contacted the owner. They've not contacted the wait staff. They've not contacted the individuals who spotted Tyler. And that gives me deep, deep concerns for Tyler Robinson's defense. I did not know this. I did not know this. I evaluated last week's hearing believing the defense was giving him the best defense possible.

Misty Winston

Okay, so I want to talk about that aspect of it, because that is. That's the crazy part. I'm not at all surprised that the cops aren't looking into this. Obviously, I'm not surprised that the prosecution is not looking into this. The fact that his defense hasn't contacted this restaurant and spoken to any of these staff members is wild. That's crazy work. And I'm assuming that they have been informed of this. I would guess. I'm sure that. I know that they said that they contacted the FBI. I would hope that they'd also contacted his defense team. But. But I'm not like, listen, cops do this all the time. Prosecutions do this all the time. They will ignore evidence. That makes their job harder. And if they want to prosecute this kid and they want to convict this kid, they'll ignore evidence that might make that more difficult. Absolutely. They do it all the time. They do it all the time.

Baron Coleman or other commentator

All the time.

Misty Winston

All the time. I'm a true crime nerd. They do it all the time. So that is not in any way surprising to me, Adam. But his defense, Bro. His defense, not contacting this restaurant, in at least talking to this. These people, at least. Why are they not asking for the credit card receipt? Why are they not asking? Are there security cameras where you can see that he is in this restaurant this time? It's wild to me. Dude, what do you. I mean, what is happening?

Adam Clark (Ruckus)

It does not look good for his defense. I mean, it's almost like they've been compromised or something. Or in the very least, they're incompetent. So pick one. Either they're incompetent or they've been compromised. But either way, that's not a good sign for this dude. Mr. Tyler Robinson here. Yeah.

Misty Winston

No, and again, I don't even care what you think of. Is he guilty, is he not? I feel like I don't. I don't believe the official story, obviously. I don't know why anyone does, but it doesn't matter. Even if you think that he's guilty, this should be suspect to you. The idea that they are not even attempting to look into this story. And listen, there's going to be times, and there always is, especially with high profile cases where people will try to insert themselves in order to achieve some 15 minutes of fame or whatever. And we see it happen all of the time. It happens in again, especially in the high profile cases. I can remember that they're the Chris Watts murder murder case. There was a gay man who inserted himself and tried to claim that he had an affair with Chris Watts who murdered his family. Turned out to be all lies. And he just inserted himself in order to get some 15 minutes of fame. He got to go on a couple news shows and do interviews or whatever before he was found out to be a big fat liar. So that's not. I mean, it's not unheard of that that's the case. But if you are a defense team and you are given information that says that there are people in a witness, more than one person, who say that they saw your client in a restaurant far away from where he was supposed to be at this time, and they have credit card receipts and there are more than one eyewitness and they are corroborating each other's stories. You at least need to look into it. So the idea that they haven't even contacted them is crazy work. So let's continue a little bit more of this video.

Baron Coleman or other commentator

This is what is known as an alibi witness. No, I couldn't have been an orm sending those text messages. I was in Panguitch. And had I been in Panguitch, as my alibi suggests, I was in Panguitch, there's no way I could have been sitting in Aurum looking for a gun. There's no reason the defense team has not gone in person to Panguach, Utah and interviewed these people and collected all evidence they can possibly get. None. There's no reason. There's no reason frankly, the prosecution has it. They're under a duty to find justice. Not to convict Tyler Robinson in the face of all contradictory evidence, but to find evidence of who did the crime. And if there's evidence that Tyler Robinson was not where his text messages said he was, they're under a duty to figure that out. And they haven't contacted these people either. But this whole thing makes it impossible for Tyler to be waiting for the police to leave, looking and texting Lance and saying, hey, I'm sitting out here watching the cop. And again, we'll go through this, but there's no way he could have been there if he did not leave before 10 o'. Clock. He didn't leave Penguin before 10 o'.

Court official or prosecutor

Clock.

Baron Coleman or other commentator

Then he was not there in Orem before midnight. And he said he was going to update Lance Twigs by midnight because he had been attempting to get the rifle and was unsuccessful because a cop was lingering. So one of two things is true, because I'm going to rule out Time Traveler here. Diligent has given three options. I'm going to rule this out, then I'm going to play the video. Either the texts are fabricated, which I now wholly believe, or someone was pretending to be Tyler, meaning the prosecution is saying someone at the scene was acting like they were Tyler, but we're not at all Tyler. Or he's a time traveler. I'm ruling out Time Traveler, but let me play this video here because it's pretty stunning. For anonymity purposes, the guy has taken off his name.

Court official or prosecutor

I'm here interviewing one of the employees that met Tyler Robinson on the night of September 10th, around 9pm here at Cowboys Smokehouse in Panguitch, Utah. So how long have you worked at Cowboys? I've been here about a year and a half now. A year and a half now. And were you here? Yes, I. I was working here. I remembered him coming in, sitting at the bar. He ordered a steak, a couple beers. Did you sit at the end of the bar? Close to the end, second seat in. I wasn't the waiter who was taking his order and everything, but I did have a couple interactions with him. Just trying to help out. After. After I'd notified my boss, we reached out to the authorities. He contacted the FBI. They got our contact information, but we never heard anything from him. You never heard back from the FBI after he reported it? Never heard anything. And that's what. That's kind of what prompted me to send it in. It just didn't say it right with him.

Kyle Anzlone

And.

Court official or prosecutor

And how certain are you that it was Tyler Robinson that you saw. 100. 100.

Baron Coleman or other commentator

When I will add that's more certain than Lance Twigs was, that the guy in the stairwell was Tyler Robinson. If you remember from Lance Twiggs's testimony, his 1102 testimony, Lance Twiggs was asked, is this Tyler Robinson? He's like, I can't be 100 sure. I mean, it kind of looks like him. They got this. He's wearing jeans. Tyler wore jeans. He's wearing shoes. Tyler wore shoes. He's wearing a hat. Tyler wore a hat. You know, I've never seen him in that hat in particular, but he liked hats. He's a big hat guy. Big into hats. Sunglasses. Oh, man, he loves sunglasses. So, yeah, I mean, it kind of looks like him. Based on the clothing. That's not a very confident answer that that was Tyler Robinson in the stairwell. Whereas this guy, it was like, oh, yeah. 100. No question.

Misty Winston

I am going to interject a little bit here because just because an eyewitness says they're 100% certain doesn't mean anything. Eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable. People see things, misremember them. The human brain is a interesting thing. It works in very mysterious ways. And I mean, it can mess with memory very quickly. So even if you see something and immediately go and report it, instantly your brain starts to forget things, see things differently, all of that stuff. So you have to be very careful with eyewitness testimony in any situation because it is just not reliable. That's just reality. That's just the way that it works. And that's why it's difficult to even try a case based on eyewitness testimony, because it is so unreliable. However, you have these two people, and again, this is not really about do you think that he was there or not? It's not really about do you think that he did it or not. It's about the fact that the defense was presented with information that could help their client. Because all you have to do is introduce reasonable doubt. That's all you have to do. And the idea that they were presented with this information and haven't even attempted to look into it is. I don't even know what that is. It's malpractice, for sure. I don't know what that looks like for him. I don't know if he's aware of this smokehouse. I don't know if anybody's asked him. Maybe his defense team has already consulted with him. Hey, did you go to the smokehouse? And he said no? I don't know. But the idea that they haven't even gone to talk to them is a very strange thing to me. Adam. I do not understand it. It seems like really, I mean, I don't know, you're. This kid's life's on the line and you can't even be bothered to go interview some waiters about where he may potentially been.

Adam Clark (Ruckus)

Well, and I, I personally can't prove that the, the defense is purposefully not attempting to seek this information. So maybe they don't know, or maybe because we wouldn't know. I mean, we wouldn't be privy to this. Maybe they, they requested this and somebody or something else blocked it because there's a, there's like a network of tight. People just say, I don't need to get too conspiratorial about it. But you know the types that hang out together in that state and you know, judges and restaurant owners and credit card processing people, insurance agents, cops, you know, there's. There's a lot of corruption going on. So, yeah, they, they. Oh, oh, well, whoops, yeah, we had the credit card receipt. Then maybe there's a reason why it would appear that they're not seeking this information. But then again, I mean, with such a high, high profile, questionable thing. Yeah. Again, you would think this should be the thing that, the number one thing, that if we were their defense, we would be asking for this and presenting this as the reasonable doubt in court.

Misty Winston

Yeah, there's no question about it. And again, you're right. We don't know. We don't know what's going on behind closed doors. We don't know if maybe they have checked out. Maybe they've decided that it isn't legit. Maybe we don't know. And you're right, there could be a whole other side of this. Nobody's really considering. So there's a lot. There's a lot. But I do think that this is something that needs to be called attention to. Obviously, people aren't talking about it. I mean, Candace is really the only person I see attempting. Not really the only person, but obviously the loudest person I see even asking questions. And I mean, kudos to her. She's getting absolutely smeared and slandered and all kinds of stuff when it seems to me as if she just wants to know what the hell happened to her friend. And justifiably so. And it's weird to me that so many people are not more curious about all of the inconsistencies and all of the weird stuff that's going on. And the fact that for some strange reason, Ben Shapiro's security was on the phone with Charlie Kirk security, as he's bleeding out actively in the back of an suv. Like, that's weird. That's weird. And I think that, like, that's obviously weird. They didn't even get along. So why were they on the phone with Ben Shapiro's security people? I don't know. And I feel like that's a reasonable question to be asked. I feel like there's a lot of reasonable questions to be asked, and this is just another one to add to the bunch. So let's hear just a little bit more about what this waiter has to say, and then we'll just move on.

Baron Coleman or other commentator

No question.

Court official or prosecutor

I had heard his voice. He was just a weird guy. And I wasn't really paying no offense

Baron Coleman or other commentator

to Tyler, you know, with the weird guy comment. But, yeah, we'll let him continue.

Court official or prosecutor

Attention to my phone. That day, I'd seen that Charlie had been shot. And I didn't really want to give any of my energy to it until I was done with work. And the next morning I went to my other job and my co worker was kind of talking to me, me about it. He pulled up a picture. He said I looked like I was a little. I was a little shocked by it because I recognized the face. And then later that night, or that day, rather, they'd released a video of him getting his college acceptance letter. And when I heard his voice, it was no doubt that that was him.

Donald Trump (clips)

And.

Court official or prosecutor

And do you know what time he left? It was close to closing, so it was around what time did you guys close? 10 o'.

Baron Coleman or other commentator

Clock.

Court official or prosecutor

I was the one who helped him check out, and you were the one that helped him check out.

Robin Lundberg

Out.

Court official or prosecutor

So you're the one that. You took the card from him? Yep. Okay. And that's just like I told. I took the card. I figured that would be good information for the feds to look into it.

Baron Coleman or other commentator

And.

Court official or prosecutor

And they never checked into it?

Co-host or assistant (handling super chats)

Not once.

Court official or prosecutor

I. I don't know if they checked into that. I know they. They got that information from my boss. So they got the information. But you don't know. You never heard back again? Never heard anything from him. The defense. Did the prosecution ever reach out to you guys to come testify or anything like that? Reached out to us at all? The defense hasn't reached out to you? No one's reached out to you whatsoever, even though you saw him that night? Yeah. No one's reached out regarding anything to do with Tyler Robinson.

Misty Winston

And that's crazy. Not even the defense. Like that is crazy to me. I feel like that is a huge story, should be talked about more. Any defense worth anything would go and at least, at the very least have a conversation with these people. Right. That seems like very basic stuff. So the idea that they have not even bothered to reach out to them on any level is crazy. Now it is good to know that the credit card information seemingly at least was given from. I mean, at least that's what they say. From the restaurant to the FBI. I don't know what came of that. Obviously nobody knows what came of that. But again, to me, the biggest thing about this is the idea that the defense team has not reached out to these people to even question them once, to even attempt to. I don't know, it just seems like a very strange lack of action on the part of the defense. But there you go.

Adam Clark (Ruckus)

This, this whole affair is a tough one to go into and you're already a skeptical person.

Misty Winston

Yes.

Adam Clark (Ruckus)

Because people are going to jump at you, be like, oh, no, you're in denial or something. No, nobody's in denial. We're just like, you know, doing the old fashioned thing. We want real evidence, not a narrative. I mean, we all. This is one of those things we all got to witness. What happened on camera happened. The assassination of Charlie Kirk was horrific. It was a terrible experience for anyone who had to see that or deal with it. But, I mean, but there's so many holes in the story, so many weird rabbit holes that have evolved out of this. There's. There's entire groups of people who believe the dude's not even dead. I mean, that's how many bizarre, fishy things there are about this. So many that I'm like, I don't think I've ever seen anything quite like it, to be completely honest with you. So again, I think it symbolized a turning point in this new era that we're in where we have to. We don't know what is real. We have to question everything. And then when they do things like this, did they really do that? Are we just perceiving that they did that? Is it the Mandela effect? Is it cern? Or do they just do this on purpose so that we all are scratching our heads and they're easier to, you know, pick us off one by one or control us?

Misty Winston

Yeah. And I feel like it could be any number of. Any one of those or any combination of those. But what I do know is that, and listen, I don't have a dog in this fight. I do not care. I mean, I don't really care. Like, obviously I care that we know what reality is and that we know what the truth is in this situation, as I care about with every situation. But I'm not like a Charlie Kirk fan. I'm not like a Charlie Kirk hater. I don't really care. Like, it's not. I don't have a dog in this fight. I'm not a Candace fan. I don't really care. I know that Erica Kirk creeps me out, but that's a whole other story. But I just, like, I'm not super invested in this story. So I'm not, like, coming at this from any angle or any narrative or any agenda. I just want to know what the hell happened. I want to know what the reality is. I want to know who actually shot Charlie Kirk. I want to know why they shot Charlie Kirk. I want to know if any foreign governments might have been involved in the shooting of Charlie Kirk. I want know what happened. And I feel like we should all want to know what is happening in our country and in our lives and what is reality. Because that's the scary part about this, is that, I mean, as we talked about earlier, this is like the digital age where quite literally, we do not know if what we are seeing with our own eyes is real. And that's a very scary proposition. So this is just another addition of that. And I don't know that we're ever going to know. And maybe in 40 years, they'll declassify some files and we'll figure out what a little piece of what happened. That's generally what happens in this country. But stay skeptical, y'.

Narrator or voiceover reading article

All.

Misty Winston

Question everything. Don't buy anything. Don't believe anything. And I know that's. That sounds really, like, depressing, like you can't believe anybody or anything, but it's true. I mean, you just have to do your best to try to suss out what's real. Try to figure out. Watch multiple sources and try to figure out kind of sort of where the truth may lie. That's the really all that you can do right now. And try not to let it overwhelm you, because it's overwhelming to me. I'm sure that it is for everybody. Like, trying to live in this existence and figure out what the hell's going on every day and what's real and what's not is a lot to handle. So, again, please go check out that whole. Again, it's. What's his name? Where is it? Where is it? Where is It Baron, I think Cohen. Coleman. I'm sorry? Baron Coleman. Go check out that whole video. He goes over all of this, including the times, the time stamps, the text messages, all of that stuff in great detail. It's a very long video. So obviously I can't go into all of the it here on this show, so please go check that out for yourself. And I mean, again, just try to figure it out the best you can. And I don't know, it's a lot, Adam, it is a lot right now to try to figure out what's going on in the world. Okay, thank you so much for joining us. We're going to take a quick break and we're going to get some super chats. But before we go, tell everybody where they can find you, where they can find whatever you got going on right now.

Adam Clark (Ruckus)

Sure. There's a one stop shop for that. Just head over toalternate current radio.com and you'll find everything you need right there. Oh, thanks again for having me, Misty. This has been a blast.

Misty Winston

Yeah, it's good to see you.

Adam Clark (Ruckus)

Forward to it next time we get together on air.

Misty Winston

Yeah, for sure. All right, we're gonna take a quick break. We're do some super chats and then we'll be back.

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Hi, everyone. Mike is working. Yes. All right, we've got super chats for you guys and gals and gentle thems. Here we go. Hook says the problems with having a gay old goyum spoke spokesperson. I think we're talking about Lindsey Graham here is they're too honest. So we had to make some room for new, younger and more persuasive smoke spokesmen to convince the Amalek to give us their money and die at our will. Thank you, Hook. Chris, Allegra says Misty, Misty's fan is here. Nick, when Lindsay says we are going to blow the hell out of them, consider you may be misinterpreting what he meant. I. I agree. I think that. Yeah. Yep. GDNPB oh, darn. Satan's favorite senator is gone. I can't ever be happy when anyone dies. Even though I want to be. But it's okay if others can with POS's like LG. Thank you, GDNPB. No fried baloney. We should only speak good of the dead. He's dead Good. Dorothy Parker.

Baron Coleman or other commentator

Thank you.

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No fried baloney. Make sure I am not missing something over here. All right. Vienticus prime, good to see you. Everything's a scam. Everything's a lie. Everything's hypocrisy. And so you don't comply. I've got just a few more and then we will back be back with Misty and her next guest. Duly noted. Need to bring back VHS tapes. User username. Fortunately for the Utah prosecutors, the Tyler Robinson evidence was found on 24 golden plates in the desk desert. Oh gosh, I feel like that something there's something over my head with this T bone. Misty, I think you are awesome and I love that you don't give an F. You rock. Yes, we all love that about Misty. Thank you, T bone. And finally, Bantic gets prime ineffective assistance of council. All right, everyone, back to Misty.

Misty Winston

I remember to unmute myself this time. All right. Okay, we have a lot to get through still so we're just going to dive right back into it. And yes, I do not have any Fs to give. I lost those a long time ago. Unfortunately. Some people like that about me, some people do not. I don't care. Okay, so we're gonna jump into a little bit of a foreign policy segment here. And of course when I do foreign policy, you know, sorry, you know, I have to bring on my good pal Kyle Anzlone. So you guys know Kyle, he's been on the show many times. So he is the news editor of the Libertarian Institute, opinion editor@antiwar.com where he covers issues related to foreign policy, war and civil liberties, often often focusing on U. S. Involvement in Asia, Ukraine and the Middle East. And he's the co host of Conflicts of Interest and the host of the Kyle Anzlone show. Everybody, please go check that out. You can find that over on the YouTubes and anywhere you get your podcasts and all that good stuff. So definitely go and subscribe, follow, share, like all the stuff. So, Kyle, thanks for joining me, my friend. I appreciate it.

Kyle Anzlone

Absolutely. Misty, always appreciate that you have me on your show whenever you got the platform to do it.

Misty Winston

Yeah, you know, I will do that anytime. Okay, so there's a lot to get through. We're going to start with the potential of Iran rebuilding. So there's a video that I'm going to play here. This is from cnn, but we're just going to jump right into this.

Guest or caller (brief interjections)

One of several shared exclusively with cnn may show signs of Iran attempting to rebuild its nuclear facilities. This is one of several locations across the country where we've identified recent activity both at nuclear and missile sites. The activity in nuclear sites in particular raises questions as to whether Iran violated the Memorandum of Understanding it signed with the US in late June, even before President Trump seemed to signal its end this week. So for weeks we've only got glimpses of what's been happening inside Iran. Providers have been withholding access to satellite imagery across the region at the request of the US government. But now those restrictions are loosening and we've been analyzing new imagery across Iran to see which sites they're starting to clear and repair to give us a sense of which may be the most important. Parchin is one of them. It was struck earlier this year. Now in new imagery from June and July analysed by CNN in conjunction with the Institute for Science and International Security, we can see Iran seems to be taking steps to repair and reconstruct the site. Here you can see temporary covers placed over impact holes. Then weeks later, with the Memorandum still in effect, the covers are removed and replaced with a mesh concrete mixing. Trucks are visible nearby. Experts say these trucks are a sign the Iranians are intending to seal the whole. Then there is Pickaxe Mountain, a suspected underground nuclear site. And in recent weeks, vehicles can clearly be seen going in and out of the tunnels. There's also been activity at missile bases like this new paving in Tabriz. And at another missile base in Kermanshah. We can see excavators and tunnel entrances being cleared. With the US resuming its attacks on Iran, a peace agreement is seeming increasingly out of reach.

Misty Winston

All right, there we go. All right, Kyle, what do we make of this?

Kyle Anzlone

Yeah, so this I, I think is important, Misty, because it's propaganda and I think it's going to be used to blame the collapse of the Memorandum of Understanding on Iran. See what, what CNN is saying here in this, I think TikTok style video, right? Like this is just low budget sad, you know, Boomer slop Iran war propaganda, right? Like it's only going to get shares on Facebook. But what they're doing is they're misinterpreting the Memorandum of Understanding where Iran did agree not to change its nuclear status, which means it's not going to add exit the non proliferation Treaty. They're not going to start building a nuclear weapon. They're not going to test new. That's what Iran was agreeing to in the memorandum. Memorandum of Understanding. What CNN is trying to say is what Iran agreed to is not to do any work on any of their nuclear facilities. And as evidence that Iran is violating the Memorandum of Understanding, look, they tried to repair the roof of one of their nuclear facilities that was bombed, right? Like that. That doesn't show anything. And then they say that Iran is rebuilding missile and nuclear sites across the country, they put up a map. Map, there's only four dots on it. They're rebuilding one. No nuclear site. That, by the way, Misty, the International Atomic Energy Agency, the iaea, the international nuclear watchdog, has inspected, verified that Iran wasn't making nuclear weapons there. The parchment nuclear site was addressed by the Iran era nuclear deal. So it's not a secret nuclear weapon site in any way. And they're saying that because Iran is doing repairs at this facility, simply that this already inspected and known sites, they could be making a nuclear bomb. Oh, no. We all have to be on alarm. It's, it's just absolutely pathetic propaganda, but really, you know, it's just convincing Donald Trump that this is the case. And I'm sure Mossad is passing this intelligence behind the scenes and we're going to be seeing a lot more of this in the coming days as it seems that the, the MOU ceasefire period has essentially entirely collapsed at this point.

Misty Winston

Yeah, and it's. So, you know what it reminds me of? It reminds me of the same videos that Israel in Western media would put out about Hamas tunnels, where they would show this like, overhead thing and then they'd put like a scary red triangle over a certain area and be like, that's Hamas. Despite the fact that it really shows nothing. Like it really just shows nothing. But they just, the way that they cover it, the way that they so forcefully declare that this is what's happening, it makes it seem as if, because it's cnn, a certain segment of the population will buy into that and they'll believe it. And you're right, it is full propaganda. Like this is, it's so frustrating to me to watch how effective this still is with people because it is so blatantly obvious to me that this is nonsense. But the, the idea that Iran has

Co-host or assistant (handling super chats)

any,

Misty Winston

that they're, that they're attempting to build any like that has, they've never, that has never been proven, never by anybody. I mean, Tulsi Gabbert has even said there's no evidence that this is something that's taking place, that this is something that's happening. So why would they do it now, Kyle, when they know that they're under, like they're being watched, like everyone knows that they are being watched. So why would they suddenly attempt to start, start building a nuclear weapon when they're fully aware that this, this kind of stuff is taking place, that there are, you know, aerial overhead shots of all of their facilities and they're being like they're under a microscope. So the idea that they are. They're not that dumb, right? Like, they're just not that dumb.

Kyle Anzlone

Well, I, I will say, Misty, maybe there's two points where Iran might want to make a nuclear bomb. One is that they weren't making a nuclear bomb. They are trying to negotiate a deal with the United States that would give double extra public verification for the whole world to see that Iran wasn't trying to make a nuclear weapon when the US Attacked in Israel, attacked them not once, but twice in 12 months. However, I think what Iran has realized during this war is they could continue to leverage their nuclear program in the same way they have in the past, which is to offer additional inspections and restrictions on its new civilian nuclear program. Right. They're going to limit it. The amount of energy produced, the number of nuclear reactors they have, the number of centrifuges they have, the types of nuclear reactors they have. They're going to limit, you know, how much material they process to medical grade, which is up to 20%. Right. Like, they're willing to agree to all these additional restrictions on their nuclear program if they're insured access to the world market, which means the removal of U.S. sanctions. And I think they're still willing to do that because they see this straight up Hormuz as a new deterrent to actual war. Right. That they're going to assert that, hey, we could close the straight of Hormuz at any time. We're going to profit over the straight of four moves in the meantime, in the interim, and we're going to use that to rebuild our territory. If the US Attacks again, we'll shut down the straight of Hormuz again. And we've seen the worldwide conflict consequences of that already. And that seems to be statements from Iranian officials there indicating that and even statements from US Sources on what the Iranians are demanding, which they're really drawing a hard line on the Strait of Hormuz issue.

Misty Winston

Yeah. As they should. I mean, it's. And what I think is so fascinating, too, is the way that Trump has navigated this whole situation has been like, just completely insane. Just recently here, I'm going to play this. Just recently he called them here, we'll just play it.

Donald Trump (clips)

It's a very interesting question to me. I think it's over. I don't want to deal with them anymore. They're scum. You know what scum is? They're scum. They're sick people. They're led by sick people. And they're vicious, violent people. And if they had a nuclear Weapon, they'd use it. As far as I'm concerned, it's over. I'll speak to our negotiators. They want to negotiate. They're good people. Steve Witkoff, Jared Kushner, but they have to come back to me. As far as I'm concerned, it's just a waste of time dealing with them. They're liars. We make a deal and they, if I make a deal with him, we have a deal and he goes out, he talks, we make a deal, everyone's agreed, no nuclear weapon. We make a deal, they go outside, talk to the press, they say, we never even talked about it, there's something wrong with them, they're cuckoo. As far as I'm concerned, it's over.

Misty Winston

I mean, that coming from him is endlessly entertaining. And I mean on like a, like dark humor, gallows humor kind of a way, because everything he just said about them is true for himself, right? Yes.

Kyle Anzlone

Well, I mean, look at what happened with the Memorandum of Understanding, Misty, where there's this 14 point MOU. And the same thing happened in April when they agreed to the initial ceasefire, where the ceasefire, the Memorandum of Understanding, it's supposed to be a framework for a peace deal, that certain base core issues are dealt with in the Memorandum of Understanding, and the actual peace negotiations are supposed to be just hammering out the small details. That's how Iran looked at it. That's why Iran agreed to the ceasefire. That's why Iran agreed to reopen the Strait of Hormuz. What Washington saw with the Memorandum of Understanding is basically just an agreement to get a ceasefire, and then Trump is going to negotiate on whatever terms he wants to anyways. And so it's really the Americans that are agreeing to something and then not following through with their commitments. The one other interesting thing I, I thought about that statement, Misty, is it seems to be Donald Trump flailing around. I think if there was a military solution to this, this he wouldn't be calling the Iranian scum. He would be letting the US military do the talking. I think this rhetoric is him trying to mask to the American people that he's been emasculated by the Iranians, that he threw everything the US military had against, you know, Pete Headseth and his tight suit was out there with his chest pumped up, yelling, you know, rah, Rah. We're smashing everything. We're destroying the Iranians. But, you know, after 12 weeks of intensive fighting, what we found out is that while The Iranians use 50% of their drones, 70% or 50% drones and only 30% of their missiles. The US used 50% of their missiles and 50% of their interceptors. The math simply doesn't work out to return to conflict, especially when Iran, even after the US bombing campaign, is producing missiles faster than the US could produce interceptors. And so there is no military solution here. So he has to say all this rhetoric that sounds like he's going to be really tough on the Iranians, but then he also weaves in there, the negotiators want to keep negotiating, and I'm gonna let him do it. I don't think it's gonna go anywhere. It seems kind of pointless to me, but what the hell, we're going to keep talking. Now. The problem is, is that to actually get a deal done, the United States is going to have to make significant concessions. Simply put, strategically, the United States is in a worse place now than we were before the war. Sure, some Iranian infrastructure has been destroyed, schools have blown up, children murdered. But when you look at the kind of geopolitical chessboard, Iran controls the Strait of Hormuz. Now, Iran has linked a ceasefire in Lebanon to a ceasefire in the greater Middle East. Iran has linked sanctions relief on any kind of nuclear deal, with the US remaining in kind of the NPT nuclear world order. So this is all really significant gains from the Iranian side. Unless Trump realizes that no matter how many times he allows Wyckoff and Kushner and Bands to go to the table, they're not going to get anything done.

Misty Winston

No. And that was. Listen, that was always obvious, right? Everybody who. And listen, I'm just some chicken Ohio. And I knew that this was a bad idea from day one. It was very clearly a bad idea. It was always a bad idea. It's now been proven to have been a really catastrophic idea to poke Iran. And I think that you're right. I think that what Trump is doing right there is desperately beating his chest, hoping that he can kind of perform strength to the American people, because he knows in reality he's in a really bad spot and has. Has no way really of getting out now. I mean, it's kind of sunk cost fallacy. He can't back away now because he's just going to look really ineffective and weak, and he can't really proceed any much further because he knows it would be absolutely catastrophic. So he's in a really terrible position right now, and I think that he is very aware of that. But there you have it. All right, we're going to move on now. Very depressing. Thank you, everybody. For tuning in to the Jimmy Dore Show, I am your guest host, Misty Winston. I'm joined here by my pal Kyle Anzlone of the Libertarian Institute and Anti war dot com. Please go check out both of those institutions. They do great work and Kyle also hosts the Kyle Anzlone show, which you can find on YouTube and anywhere you get your podcast. So please check that out as well. So I wanted to move on now. This is a very interesting story to me and just to so everybody knows this is what Kyle's YouTube page looks like. So you can go check that out and then you can go file him. Follow him over on the tweeters @KyleAnSLone underscore. So please go check that out. But we're going to move on now to Rokana was recently detained in Israel by settlers and was put in a very precarious position. If you know how any of those such situations have played out before. So he actually posted a video. It's just a really, it's three seconds. I didn't even bother with it. It just kind of shows them showing up. But he says Israeli settlers brandishing American made M4s detain me and other American made on my trip to Palestine. When the IDF arrived, they sided with the settlers and continued our detention. They made a huge mistake. You will be hearing more soon. He then continued, what happened to me in the west bank was an outrage, but it is nothing compared to what Palestinians face every day. It is time to share their stories that American politics have silenced and ignored. This is our first video about Palestinians that we met. I do have that video. We're going to play that now. It's not super long.

Donald Trump (clips)

Three days I've been talking to Palestinians in their homes and villages about the daily injustices they face under occupation.

Misty Winston

And also the blood.

Donald Trump (clips)

You see the blood. See that? Oh my gosh. As a congressman, I never expected to be the target of settler violence. But when we visited a school in Zenuda village that settlers had burned down, we were detained by settlers wielding M4 guns who blocked our van from leaving the site. They called it additional settlers for support and held us captive for 75 minutes, recording videos, laughing at us and mocking me and my staff. I will never forget their faces. What angered me most is that the IDF soldiers who came to the scene supported the violent settlers over American citizens. Here's the question. If the settlers and IDF could do this to an American American Congressman, imagine what life is like for an ordinary Palestinian under Israel's occupation. I've never felt more powerless in my whole life. For decades, American politicians have made the trek to Tel Aviv while not taking the time to cross over and hear from Palestinians about the actual facts on the ground.

Kyle Anzlone

These are sweet, bad words.

Misty Winston

She was asleep here and you are animal. You almost kill the Palestinian animals. You are like animals.

Adam Clark (Ruckus)

We keep. We never forget him.

Misty Winston

We keep thinking about him. His room still.

Donald Trump (clips)

Still

Misty Winston

his room still like he left.

Donald Trump (clips)

Many Palestinians are desperate to be seen, to be heard and to live with dignity.

Misty Winston

Sometime in the social media say the settler is violence because what happened on 7th of October.

Donald Trump (clips)

No, my uncle helps to Rehman father of eight killed.

Misty Winston

I have met many European Parliament members, but this is the first time that I do it for an American member.

Donald Trump (clips)

It's really the first time, Congressman, that

Misty Winston

comes to Beit Sahur.

Donald Trump (clips)

I'll be posting their stories throughout the next few weeks because it is time that Palestinians have equal rights in their own.

Misty Winston

Without food, without water. All the congressmen should come and see the, the basic free stuff that we, we want. We want our land, we want water, and we want the freedom of movement.

Lindsey Graham (clips)

It's.

Misty Winston

It's very simple.

Donald Trump (clips)

Land, water, freedom of movement is.

Misty Winston

It's simple as that.

Donald Trump (clips)

Thank you, Mayor.

Misty Winston

You're Welcome.

Donald Trump (clips)

Thank you, Mr.

Lindsey Graham (clips)

Thank you.

Misty Winston

Thank you very much.

Adam Clark (Ruckus)

Thank you.

Misty Winston

To Bethlehem.

Donald Trump (clips)

My honor.

Misty Winston

So there you have it. Roana actually went to Palestine. Crazy, right? What a novel idea, Kyle.

Kyle Anzlone

Yeah, I mean, I'm glad a congressman went and not on some guided tour by the Israelis. Obviously, that's how most American congressmen go. Hell, I mean, you know, one congressman that just passed away would talk about how he made a bi weekly trip to Israel every other week he was there. You know, he never got this kind of treatment. He never spoke with the natural Palestinian, asked them about what happened to a family member of theirs that was murdered. The amazing thing about this incident, Misty, is how Israel has handled it. By essentially trying to call Roe a liar and you know, attacking the US Congressman and downplaying the incident where you would imagine that a state was so reliant on another state, if a group of their citizens had harassed a lawmaker of that state, then, you know, you would come down with the sledgehammer law. The, the IDF would raid their homes and pull them out of their bed. They would be lined up on TV. They will receive 10 to 15 year sentences for this. And look, even if you commuted a little bit later, like at least make a big PR deal, the IDF soldiers that showed up, you give them demotions, you promote them again later a year down the road or Something. But at least in the short term, you take them off duty, everybody gets reprimanded. And that's the focus of the Prime Minister's statement. What this tells me, Misty, because Netanyahu is not a stupid man. This isn't a mistake. This is a tactical calculation. Israel understands they are losing their support here in the United States of America. And people who follow Roe and, you know, that kind of branch of the democrats, Israel's already lost those people. And the people who disbelieve those brands of democrats are just going to disbelieve and believe the Israeli propaganda on this issue. I think the actual targeted audience here is the Israeli settlers, right? They need these people. The IDF can't kick every Palestinian out of the west bank, but these settlers who are engaging in daily harassment, you know, just sometimes they shoot and kill Palestinians. That's often not the case. They're destroying their homes, they're killing their livestock, they're harassing their children, they're beating them, they're throwing rods, they're, you know, vandalizing their cars, arson, right? All these things are driving the Palestinians out of the West Bank. And if Israel is losing their support in the United States, they need to accelerate their expansion and control of the West Bank. You know, everybody likes to date the current situation in Israel to October 7, 2023, the Hamas attack. I think a much better day is December of 2022. That's when the current Netanyahu government was formed. And when that government was formed, the finance minister, Betsel Smolchurch, who over the past, what, four years since that government was formed, we've seen that he has a lot of power and influence. He's made. He made very clear at the time that he only joined the Netanyahu coalition because they were going to move to annex the west bank. And they've expanded Israeli settlements in the west bank under this government. And again, this started before October 7th at a record pace. I think the number of settlements approved under Smoltridge is like two or three times the total number approved during the Israeli occupation up until that point. Point more importantly, they strip the Palestinians of a lot of their land rights. They'd give bets el Smoltridge or, you know, whatever Israeli missed or sits in his office, the authority to just revoke anybody's property rights. Imagine, Misty, in your town, if they voted somebody, you know, head of, of the property board, right? If they just remove your property license or whatever appropriate board that is in your town. And now you, you don't have a D to your House, House. They just gave it away to somebody else. And the police come and they evict you and they install this new family and there, there's no legal recourse because your deed is gone. That's what they, they're doing right now every single day in the West Bank. And so the, it's, I think to me this is just a symbol that it's really on. The ethnic cleansing in the west bank for the Israelis is being turned up to full scale. They're really pushing forward with this. They're doing it in Gaza. At the same time, since the ceasefire was agreed to in October, they've expanded their control of the Strip from 50 to 70%. So that's 1.67 million Gazans jammed into just 30% of what was the Gaza Strip already an overpopulated area with almost no remaining infrastructure. A million plus people just living in tents, others living in bombed out homes. I mean, this is an absolute nightmare there. But Netanyahu is getting away with it. And maybe he sees that this is the last time that Israel is really going to have the level of influence they do on Capitol Hill, in the White House, in the Pentagon if a new president gets elected, who says, at least I'm going to have a more balanced approach on this issue, or I'm not so interested in supporting Israel and what they're doing in the Middle east, then if the, you know, ethnic cleansing has already kind of defatoed the situation on the ground, they've got the Greater Israel Project.

Misty Winston

Yeah, I mean, and he just sees it as a wins. A win. Doesn't matter how he gets there, a win's a win for him. He's that level of psychopath. I mean, speaking of psychopaths, that guy's a real raging psychopath. But yeah, I mean, I think that this is, I think it's, I'm glad that it happened. I mean, obviously I don't want to see anybody detained by Israeli settlers because that's a terrifying prospect. I'm not a fan of Roana. I think he's shady at best, as all politicians are. I think he is shady at best. But I, at the very least, I mean, we can't get journalists on the ground. So other than the very unbelievably brave Palestinian journalists who are telling their own stories at great risk to themselves and their families. But the idea that a, a congress person is now going to be releasing videos, now how much trust am I going to put in him to tell the story? And I mean, you take everything like this with a grain of salt. Right. But I do think that, as you said it, very interesting the way that Israel and Netanyahu have responded to this, you know, immediately coming out. And this is as they always do. Right. The spin was immediate. You know, Netanyahu was immediately on all the shows talking about how Rokhana is a liar. And obviously Rokhana is pushing back on that. And there's going to be some back and forth there. But at the very least, I'm happy that Palestinian stories are going to their voices as, I mean, he's very clearly talking to many locals and telling their stories. And as he says there, as one of the men says there, that this did not start on October 7th. As you just mentioned, it didn't start on October 7th. This has been going on for decades. I mean, you said, you know, whatever, December of 2022, this has been going on for decades, for a very long time. Palestinian people have been dealing with occupation and brutalization and snipers and rape, torture, murder, imprisonment, kidnapping, all of those things for a very long time. This did not happen in a vacuum. This is not a response to October 7th. This has been the plan for a very long time. They merely used October 7th to make it their jumping off point for continuing the Greater Israel Project. I think that's abundantly clear to anybody with two brain cells to rub together. So, I mean, I don't know what's going to come of this. He says he's going to continue to tell the Palestinian people stories. I don't know how Israel will respond. Probably they're. Once this is, I mean, the news cycle will move on. They'll probably ignore it from here on out. So. But I would at the very least pay attention to Rokhana's continuing telling of these stories on his wherever he's going to be posting, I assume on X, Twitter, whatever you want to call it. I don't know if he'll be posting anywhere else, but I'm going to be watching them. I'm very curious to see what his experience was like in Palestine. So there you go. It's just crazy to me that I, a sitting member of the US Congress, was detained and harassed and threatened and a lot of people are going to be okay with that simply because, as you said, it's Ro Khanna, they already don't like him. So it's fine. If Israel did it, it's fine. I think there's a lot of people who will justify this because of the crazy, misguided support for the state of Israel. So there you have it. Rokhana detained. Okay, we're going to move on now. Last story we have with Kyle. So again, thank you for tuning in to the Jimmy Dore Show. I am your GU host today, Misty Winston. I'm joined by Kyle Anzlone. He is an editor and writer for Libertarian Institute, antiwar.com He hosts the Kyle Anzlone Show. You can go check all of that stuff out. You can follow him on Twitter @KyleanSLone underscore. And then of course, there is the Kyle Anzlone Show. Go subscribe, share with your friends, family. He does great foreign policy coverage across the board, so definitely check that out. So we're going to move on now to our good friend Marco Rubio. Oh, God, I hate this guy. He's so annoying. But Marco Rubio running Venezuela from Washington. And this is from a piece that you wrote, was published yesterday. So Secretary of State Marco Rubio controls Venezuela's finances, making him the effective viceroy of the South American nation. Quote, Mr. Rubio has become the de facto viceroy, am I saying that right? Viceroy, Right.

Kyle Anzlone

Yep.

Court official or prosecutor

Okay.

Misty Winston

Of Venezuela. Immediately second guess myself. Like, is that right? Of Venezuela holding sway over a sovereign nation in a way that no American official has since Paul Remmer III arrived in Baghdad in 2003 to run US occupied Iraq. And that's from the New York Times on Saturday. This is crazy to me. Not crazy, fully expected from the United States. But the idea that this is happening so openly, given everything that has happened already in Venezuela, the way that things have played out there. So what, what is this? Like, what is this? What is happening with Marco Rubio in Venezuela?

Kyle Anzlone

Yeah, miss, this is really crazy. Apparently he has this WhatsApp chat with Dulce Rodriguez, the new interim president of Venezuela, and just tells her what to do. And according to US Officials, she's never disobeyed. She's followed every command. This has come to the level of getting to pick which officials from the former president, the kidnapped leader Maduro's administration get to remain in Rodriguez's administration. He's personally picking who gets sanctions lifted off of them. So that means he's determining who gets to do business, who gets to trade overseas. And whenever money comes in from overseas to Venezuela, it's being collected by the US Government and then distributed to the Venezuelan government to then be doled out, out. And so if we don't like something the Venezuelan government is doing, we'll hold on to their money. That increases a lot of pressure. So that's why Venezuela is complying. So heavily is because, you know, we really have given them no choice. And Misty, I, I think a lot of this has to do. And the reason Marco Rubio is probably so interested in this is, you know, this is unfortunate for the Venezuelans. I don't think it has a lot to do with them. It's not about improving Venezuela. It's that Venezuela, particularly under Nicolas Maduro, was a supporter and, you know, had a relationship that was, had reciprocal benefits with Venezuela, with Cuba. You know, Venezuela supplied Cuba with energy. Cuba supplied Venezuela with doctors and soldiers and other like, I think scientists. I'm sure there's some good leftists out there who are yelling at their, their YouTube screen right now about how, oh, he knows all these other things that, that the Cuban government does for Ven was, I'm sure, you know, is a symbiotic relationship there. And what they're trying to do is cut out the van whing government literally starve, cause blackouts, create mass economic ruin in Cuba under the false belief that this will, after what, seven decades now of embargo, finally cause the Cuban people to wake up in the morning and say all of our problems are due to our communist government and not the evil empire right in that store who's blockading us and starving our children. When Ryan Grim and a few other journalists went to Cuba a few months ago, they're talking about this kid who was suffering and dying of cystic fibrosis. And there's this medicine that, you know, they could just give them. Like, you know, people in the US have it, the kids state the medicine and they're, they're, they, I think, find normal children after, like, it's actually a cure. It's not just a, a short term treatment or expansion of life. And this kid was deprived of it because of the US sanctions because we don't allow shipments of goods. And they say, oh, there's exemptions for medicine and things like that. But study after study after study has shown that the US sanctions are so expansive in the US government, so incompetent, that even if you are truly just bringing medicine to one of these nations, you run a high risk of running a file of US sanctions. And then your business or your country gets absolutely ruined when you get slapped with secondary U.S. sanctions. And so, you know, people don't, don't mess around in countries where there's this extension, extensive level of US economic warfare. And so the Cuban people are absolutely suffering and they're miserable under the US blockade. And that's what Marco Rubio really wants. He wants regime change in Havana.

Misty Winston

Yeah. I mean, another raging psychopath. I mean, it's just kind of par for the course at this point. And that's what I think is so crazy about what's happening right now, is that. That it blows my mind that we kidnapped a president of a country and openly. And, like, that's not. There's not more pushback about that. There's. It really has just disappeared from the news cycle. Nobody's really like, what is even happening with Maduro? Do we even know?

Kyle Anzlone

I know there is, like, I think some preliminary hearings. Now, initially, Misty, one important thing is when they arrested him, the charging document included a whole bunch of drug charges along with the gun charge. Now, now, how the leader of a foreign state could be unlawfully possessing guns makes absolutely no sense to me. Right. Like, the head of a foreign state could have nuclear weapons taints. And so if he bought some machine guns, then that's running a country. You know, I mean, that's. That's a part of the job description. Right. And so that's absolutely absurd. But a lot of the drug. I think all the drug charges have actually been dropped, so they don't have much on the guy. Again, this was all just about, I think, pressuring and ultimately getting the regime change in Cuba. They put a lot of pressure on the Mexican government to cut off oil shipments to Venezuela. And the Mexican government said, look, I mean, the Trump administration is absolutely reckless and wild. They'll destroy our entire economy. They may bomb and invade our country. I mean, there are. There have been reports during the Trump administration from mainstream outlets, citing anonymous sources, of course, but that. That, you know, Special Operations was planning raids in Mexico. The CIA and the Pentagon were planning drone strikes in Mexico. Now, I think they'd probably be targeting the cartels and not the government, but there's also a lot of overlap there in Mexico. So, you know, this would be obviously a very, very dangerous operation that would really infringe on Mexican sovereignty and make Mexico City look really weak. And so they ultimately complied and cut off the energy transfers.

Misty Winston

Yeah. And this is our MO, Right? This is what we do. We just bully people into submission. And if you don't submit, then we will kidnap your president and, you know, impose all kinds of sanctions. And, I mean, this is exactly what we do and we have done all over the world. And this is. There's really no exception here. The idea that it's Marco Rubio, I think, is fascinating to me. This guy shouldn't be in charge of literally anything. So it's it's nuts to me that he is basically running Venezuela, as you mentioned in your article, which again, you can find on the Libertarian Institute. Please go check that out. But, yeah, the idea that Marco Rubio is in control of Venezuela's finances, the fact that they are running roughshod over them, and the, the Cuban thing is such an interesting aspect, too, because, you know, you said that there's a bunch of lefties yelling at the screen. But that's exactly what I think a lot of lefties have been rightfully angry about, is that there's all this conversation about how socialism and communism don't work. And you can certainly have an opinion on that. But I think that there's been nowhere that it's even been attempted that hasn't been sabotaged. So I'm not even sure that we have effective or real data points on that. I mean, I don't know that it's ever really been tried, truly, without being entirely sabotaged from jump, because the American empire just cannot have that. So I think that, that, that's certainly an interesting aspect of that. But I think that the Venezuela thing is that I think because of. And I think another part that people aren't talking about is obviously the oil reserves.

Kyle Anzlone

Right.

Misty Winston

They have a lot of oil there, Kyle. And so I think that, that anytime that you hear oil in the United States, you know that there is a direct connection and that, that we're going to try to overthrow your government and steal your resources, because that's what we do. So where do you see the Venezuela thing? How do you see that playing out? I feel like it's not being talked about. Obviously, there's a lot going on. I think it's impossible to cover everything and talk about everything. But I feel like this is something that is getting grossly undercovered just based on how it could impact global dynamics, our foreign standing with a lot of countries. I mean, there's a lot, there's a lot really at play here. So where do you see, how do you see this playing out over the next couple of years as Trump finishes out his second term?

Kyle Anzlone

Yeah, I mean, they have this grand ambition to rebuild Venezuela, and I'm sure there's going to be a lot of corruption involved. My guess is there's too much incompetence in the Trump administration to actually make any meaningful progress on it. And there may not be a desire either. They may just be attempting to loot what they can and get out and really have no effort to rebuild or invest or help the Venezuelans in any way, which won't work. But looting the country will probably be worse than. Than at least trying some plan at investing in the infrastructure and things like that. I mean, we've seen in the short term already where Venezuela suffers twin, I think, 7.5 and 7.2 earthquakes. I've seen, what, 4400 dead, but. But still thousands and thousands missing. So who knows how catastrophic it's going to be? And when this happened, Marco Rubio is, of course, in the Middle east, in the UAE, because he's there trying to undermine the MoU, rally up the Gulf Arab states to reject any Iranian tolls in the Middle east, to sabotage the mou. And so you have somebody that's supposed to be running in Venezuela, not even in the right hemisphere, when you have this major natural disaster hit, the earthquake. Rubio is just basically doesn't respond. He said, oh, we're rushing aid in, and I think the military sent in some rescue teams. But the Venezuelan government asked for sanctions relief and Rubio refused. And the sanctions relief is important again, because if you need to rush aid into the country, you just need to be able to do business. This with whatever port has an open stall and has cranes available to unload the cargo that you need to unload and, you know, run the same thing, no matter how you're bringing the aid in. Right. You just need to be able to do it as quickly as possible. But if a financial institution that that particular port works with is sanctioned, then it's going to take additional time to set up a new institution and new accounts. Right. Like when we're talking about saving lives in the matter of hours, these things that are going to take days or weeks are going to cost hundreds or thousands of lives of people who could be saved. And so it's really unfortunate that the US didn't do the sanctions relief. However, it's not unsurprising during the. I believe it was during the Biden administration, it might have been Trump, the first Trump administration. You had those massive earthquakes in Syria and Turkey, and the US Refused to lift sanctions on Syria. That added to the death count in that country as well. So. So we claim these sanctions are for humanitarian purposes, to help overthrow bad governments and help people overthrow their bad governments, when really they're just meant to punish the people. And with a policy like that, we can't possibly win. So maybe the best case scenario here, Misty, is that Trump just gets bored of the situation. He fires Marco Rubio over some completely unrelated issue, and nobody really steps up to fill the void. Because nobody's as interested in regime change in Havana as Marco Rubio is.

Misty Winston

Yeah. And I'm really glad that you brought up the, the earthquakes and the humanitarian aid, because that is, it's so despicable to me that sanctions are even a consideration under those circumstances. And you're right, it's not the first time it's happened, but I think it's beyond the pale. It's disgusting that that is even something that is, is taken into consideration, that every, everything else should fall away. It doesn't matter what your current beef is with whatever country it is. It doesn't. I don't care if there are people in need of aid and you have aid to give. There shouldn't be any red tape. There shouldn't be any conversation. There shouldn't be any debate. There should be no pearl clutching. There should be nothing, nothing getting in between the people who need the aid and the aid. Like it really seems like that is. And as you said, like, they pretend that these sanctions are, you know, doing the Lord's work or whatever. You know, I mean, like this is a, it's a good thing. Like we have to do these sanctions. It's, you know, it's for the good of the people. But then when something like that happens and those, I mean, I can't even watch the videos of it because it's absolutely devastating. The destruction that took place after those two earthquakes and a natural disaster of that scale. To get hit with one is bad enough. Enough to get hit back to back with two major, like these are not small earthquakes. These are major earthquakes. To be hit with two of them back to back. And then for the United States to even, to put like have a thought about sanctions is just so despicable, but so on par. Like that's just on brand for the United States. We genuinely do not actually care about people. Like we just do. Not everything is about what is politically advantageous, just what is most opportunistic at the time and helping people. It just doesn't ever come into that. So I'm glad that you brought that aspect up because I feel like, I mean, it's just so gross. To me, that's just really vile behavior to even consider. And you're right, the Syrian. I think that was, I'm second guessing myself too, but I think that was Biden, but I'm not sure. Don't quote me on that.

Kyle Anzlone

I know it was during the COVID pandemic because so it was, it was either 2020 or 2021. And one of the things here, Misty, to point out, is that in a case like an earthquake, it's not an ongoing, I mean, it is an ongoing disaster. But the, you know, assuming there's not another earthquake tomorrow, it is like at this point, rescue, recovery, it's not as if you're dealing with another thing coming in. And so even like a short term, 60 or 90 days, just total relief of sanctions would be really helpful. And at the same time, if you are a believer that saying, I'm not a believer in sanctions at all, but if you are, you just reimpose them. And look, we've seen the Trump administration lift and impose sanctions on Russia and Venezuela and Iran as it relates to the conflict in the Middle East. And so, you know, when it, I guess, probably comes to the Trump administration, people with it, ties to the Trump family and the administration are looking to manipulate the oil market, place certain bets on, you know, buying or shorting oil, things like this, then they're lifting and removing sanctions all the time. But when it's a natural disaster, then, oh, we, we just can't, we can't change policy. You know, there's, we're doing all this stuff. It's a complex process. You, it's just that we're going to send you aid, though. We'll, we'll, we'll send some rescue teams to help you guys out. Don't worry about it.

Misty Winston

Yeah, I mean, it's just a ridiculous notion that under those circumstances that that should even be a consideration. I just don't care. I do not care. I don't care what beef you have with anybody. I don't care what country it is. I don't care. If there is a situation like that that takes place and people need help, we should help. Like, it's, that just seems like very basic human decency to me. And it's really despicable that. And I'm like, I don't believe in sanctions at all, period. But the idea that there isn't even a consideration to put a pause on that and help deal with the situation at hand, I think is pretty gross because the devastation there is overwhelming. There's just so much chaos happening right now, and they could use a tremendous, tremendous amount of help and can't get it because of sanctions. So it's pretty gross. Okay, Kyle, thanks for joining us again. You can follow Kyle over on Twitter @KyleanSLone. Underscore. You can check out his, his show, the Kyle anzlone show on YouTube and then also where we get the podcast, you have anything else coming up? Do you have anything else going on right now? Any new stories?

Kyle Anzlone

The big thing is just the Kyle Lancelone Show. I'm really trying to do everything I can right now to, you know, manipulate the YouTube algorithm. I don't talk about things. I'm not careful about what I talk about on the show. I talk about what I want to talk about. I talk about the truth. And so if you guys are out there, you want to go and subscribe? Maybe if I get a bunch of people to subscribe at one time, that'll kind of of help to boost me up in the algorithm and, you know, get some more natural growth from the show that way. And, Misty, I'd love to have you on sometime this week. I'll shoot you a message and maybe we could work something out for this week or next.

Misty Winston

Yeah, you know, I'm always happy to come on. And you have great guests on. I mean, you just recently had Sam Husseini, who I love Sam Hussein. He's fantastic. You had Colonel Larry Wilkinson on. I mean, you have a lot of really great guests on all the time to talk about various different subject matter. So it's a great show. Everybody go check that out over at. At the Kyle anzlone show on YouTube. And then, of course, wherever you get podcasts, right? You're on all the various platforms, I assume.

Kyle Anzlone

Yep, yep. And we got Rumble Channel and everything, but, you know, YouTube is what pays the bills, so.

Misty Winston

Unfortunately, yeah, YouTube still has a monopoly on all of that stuff, so. Okay, everybody, go subscribe.

Kyle Anzlone

Thanks, everyone. Thanks, Misty.

Misty Winston

All that good stuff. Thank you. We'll talk soon. Okay, friends, we're gonna switch over ourselves to Rumble, so everybody make that trek over there, and we'll see you on the flip side. All right, everybody, welcome to the Jimmy Dore Show. I am your guest host for today, Misty Winston. Thanks for tuning in. I'm very excited about our next segment. I'm very excited about our next guest. I am an unashamed sports fanatic of all kinds. I grew up an athlete. I grew up in a sports family. I watch sports all the time, of every variety. There are very few sports that I cannot or will not watch. And I'm sure many of you heard that the WNBA has been quite the hot spot of news over the past several years. So I'm very excited to welcome. Welcome Robin Lundberg, who is a sports broadcaster and multimedia journalist who currently serves as a senior host for Sports Illustrated and hosts programs on SiriusXM and CBS Sports Radio. He specializes in basketball coverage particularly women's basketball. He previously spent over a decade at ESPN where he co hosted shows like first and Last and contributed to major networks including CNN and fox. I'm very excited. Robin, thank you for so much for taking the time to join me on the show Show.

Robin Lundberg

No problem. Thanks for having me.

Misty Winston

Yeah, I'm a big fan of your show. I the thing I appreciate most about you is that you keep things very level headed. I feel like, especially right now in the wnba, there's a lot of hot takes and it's exhausting. So I appreciate your ability to keep things pretty level. So the reason why I wanted to have you on is recently the There was a group of Congress people who decided to send a letter to the commissioner of the WNBA who is greatly ineffective. We're going to talk about that here in a minute. But the reason why they sent this letter to the commissioner was over the treatment, I guess, of a one Caitlin Clark, who I'm a huge fan of. So their their letter to the commissioner starts off Dear Commissioner Engelbert, Caitlin Clark is transforming women's sports. She has inspired a new generation of young girls to participate in athletics and has become one of the most influential figures in the history of women women's basketball. She is also the face of your league. Clark has significantly increased fan interest, driven record television ratings, and attracted new corporate sponsors for the wnba. Millions of casual fans are now tuned in to watch her play. Unfortunately, what they too often witness is not simply aggressive competition, but repeated acts of unnecessary physical hostility and violence. Clark has been hip checked, poked in the eye, and struck in the throat during games. These incidents go far beyond routine physical play. Yet the WNBA and its officiating have too often failed to address these unacceptable incidents and hold players accountable. Recently, a player even appeared to endorse violence against Clark in a social media post, further fueling concerns about the culture surrounding these incidents. In addition, concerning reports suggest that many of these attacks against Caitlin Clark may be racially motivated. As a commissioner, you have an obligation to ensure that every player competes in a safe and professional environment, both on and off the court court free from violence, discrimination or retaliation. If discrimination or retaliation is occurring and creating a hostile work environment, we support any appropriate investigation by the Department of Justice, the Department of Labor, or the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission. If true, such conduct could constitute violations of federal civil rights laws. It is imperative that the WNBA take meaningful action to address this issue. The league has an extraordinary opportunity to inspire the next generation of female athletes to pursue athletics, but that opportunity is undermined when Its brightest stars are not adequately protected. Your fans deserve better, as so do. And so do the young girls who look to the WNBA as a model for excellence, sportsmanship and opportunity. And then they have some questions here for the commissioner. What is your review mechanism for physical hostility and violence on the court? How will you hold players accountable for. Accountable for overly aggressive actions on the court, including towards Caitlin Clark? And what steps are you taking to protect WNB players from online harassment and online off court threats? And then you can see there, it's signed by several Congress people, members of Congress. So, Robin, this feels like a drastic overreach of the government here. We have a lot going on in this country. I feel like I don't need the United States involved in WNBA decisions. But where do you stand on this?

Robin Lundberg

Yeah, I mean, I think one of the problems is that it also puts Caitlin Clark in a tough spot. You know, they're sitting there trying to protect her, as they say, but in a way they're using her as a political ploy. I'm sure some of them have the, the right backing and, and you know, they're earnest about it, but others are just using it as a device to try to stir up support and try to activate Clark's fan base or, or those who are, are watching CNN or Fox News or whatever and are only hearing about the WNBA in this context. Meanwhile, Caitlin Clark has to deal with some of the stuff that made this letter possible in the first place place, and she has to deal with the dynamics that something like this creates. And that's the, you know, the, the, the wildest thing about it all, if you really think about it, is how she's done nothing to bring any of this about. She said nothing wrong. She's only said positive things towards her peers and the pioneers of the league. She's gone out there and played her game. She clearly just wants to play basketball. But somehow it continues to be this swirl of controversy because everyone wants to back into their corners of whatever side they're polarized in and make it a culture war when really Caitlin Clark has nothing to do with any of that.

Misty Winston

Yeah, no, and I'm glad that you bring that part up because I feel like so often in this conversation what is forgotten is in fact that Caitlin Clark is a human being. And she didn't have ask for any of this. All she did was work really hard her entire life to get really excellent at basketball. And she had an amazing career at Iowa, obviously was a phenom and a sensation. And for whatever reason, and you're you're. You've been around sports your whole life. I've been around sports my whole life. Every once in a while we get a player, whether it's a Tiger woods or a Michael Jordan or whatever who for whatever reason captivates people and are kind of a magnetic force. And she's certainly been one of those people. But it's not like she acts asked for this. You can't fake that. You can't force it. She didn't insert herself and, and insist up on becoming this bigger than life figure and the. The idea that she is now. And that's why I wanted to talk to you about this because I feel like it is being used on all sides and she's being used on all sides as this political pawn in this culture war nonsense. And I feel like it is being completely overlooked that she's a human being and that this is a tremendous amount of pressure for a 24 year old basketball player. She's expected assaul racism. She's expected to save the league. She's expected to. I mean there's all these things that have been thrust upon her that she didn't ask for and all too often it's forgotten that she is just a basketball player.

Co-host or assistant (handling super chats)

Right.

Misty Winston

Like that's. It's a crazy position that she finds herself in.

Robin Lundberg

Yeah. No, I mean I've been repeating that no one seems to care about Caitlin Clark. Right.

Misty Winston

Yeah.

Guest or caller (brief interjections)

And.

Robin Lundberg

And it's fair game if you mock

Kyle Anzlone

her or hate on her, her or

Robin Lundberg

any of her teammates. And then she's fair game to be discussed in, in this discourse and volleyed around like that. And I think you're starting to see it get to her a little bit. I think you're starting to see it wear on her a little bit. She's done a tremendous job at blocking it all out in the past. But you mentioned the college thing and that's really the key to it. Like she became this phenomenon in college at Iowa and the game against South Carolina, 19 million views or whatever was now that the Angel Reese thing did take it to another level. And maybe that was the, the origin story to all of this springing out later because of the, the reaction and the discussion there. But there was none of that until she really got to the WNBA and there was something about the dynamics and the culture and her reception in the. The WNBA that opened up this can of worms. And then I'd also almost like to scold some of my peers in the media in general because what they've done is Hyper boosted the comment section essentially. So they've taken the comment section and turned that into the headlines. When I've been to a lot of games and you never hear any of this crap at the games when there's 18, 000 people cheering, you look at the TV ratings, you look at the all star votes, you look at the franchise valuations, you look at any single match metric that indicates whether people are into the product and supporting the product and they're all up. And you know, of course Caitlin Clark is the catalyst for that, but it has taken a life of its own beyond that, on top of it. So why do we spend so much time on this garbage when that's not actually the real story?

Kyle Anzlone

Right?

Robin Lundberg

Like it's not actually the real story. And you've got people who, who try to, who, you know, they try to capitalize on it one way and they, they hate her because she's white and straight and, and there are some dynamics to that I'm not saying, but that's like what you hear. And then the other says, like, you must kiss the feet of everyone who ever came before. And then you've got the, the activists online who are really just so, you know, like they're, they're not you. What, what is your cause? What, what do you, what are you, what are you taking up? So there's a lot to really unpack. But to me, me, you know, part of this falls at the, the feet of the, the W media and, and the, the people that have taken these fringe beliefs and made them seem like they are actually the majority opinion. And then that gets sprayed everywhere.

Misty Winston

Yeah. And what I find so frustrating about it is that the, it's very rare for the commissioner to be held publicly accountable. It's very rare for the media to be held publicly accountable. It is always thrust on Caitlin Clark and she is always, always the one that is to blame for all of the ills of society, for everything that's wrong in the wnba. And I feel like that's a very unfair position to take. But also I feel like, as you just, you know, spoke about the media that they tend to elevate and over fixate on, as you said, the comment section, which is crazy. The idea that online narratives are what you're focusing on in a basketball league is insane. Everybody knows the social media is toxic. It is a really vile place to exist. So why you would elevate that, that to a higher level is beyond my ability to comprehend. But what I think is also fascinating is that it is selectively elevated. And I mean, we can talk about the double standards. There's double standards abound all over the place here. But one of the things that has been a huge double standard. And listen, I, I hate that I even have to preface this with kind of a disclaimer, but nobody should be facing death threats. Nobody should be facing online hate and racism and homophobia and no children should be getting threats. Nobody's emails or text messages or addresses. None of that stuff should be getting out. Like that is crazy behavior. I've my. I mean, I know that if you are in the public sphere, I'm just some chicken all the time.

Lindsey Graham (clips)

All the time.

Misty Winston

I'm a nobody. I get it all the time. Somebody posted pictures of my house online, somebody pictured posted pictures of my kids online. Like I'm just some chicken. Ohio. And I get it. So elevate that to the WNBA level and obviously there's going to be hate. It's an unfortunate reality of where, where we are as a society in the social media age. However, the double standards of everybody shifting to focus on Alyssa Thomas, who the reason for this letter was a very hard foul by a player named Alyssa Thomas, who during an off ball, Caitlyn had the ball fell to the ground, kind of tossed the ball off to the side. Alyssa Thomas came down on her. Initially, it looked like she was just going for the ball. And then there was a fist to the throat and some other things that happened. It looked bad. It was bad. It was a terrible flagrant foul. I don't think that there's any debating that, although people will try. But the double standard of everybody fixating and it's not just in this situation, but over the course of the three years Caitlin's been in the league of focusing on the hate that everybody else is getting. I'm not sure anybody else in the league gets more hate than Caitlin Clark. And nobody ever talks about that. I mean, not just her, her teammates as well. The racism and the vile hatred that Aaliyah Boston, Kelsey Mitchell, Lexi Hall, Sophie Cunningham, they all get it. Nobody ever talks about that. And it's very frustrating to me. Robin. I think I feel like there's a massive double standard on that front where everybody wants to focus on the Caitlin Clark fans. The Caitlin Clark fans, which I don't even think they are Caitlin Clark fans. They're just vile online trolls who are using a hot button issue to get emotional reactions online. But there's all that focus on that, but never any on the Fever girls, the Indiana Fever players who are, I Mean, Caitlin Clark has had a stalker arrested. Sophie Cunningham has had a stalker arrested. Nobody talks about that. And I feel like that double standard is really atrocious. I mean, what do you make of that?

Robin Lundberg

No, I think you're absolutely correct, but the problem is I don't think any of it should be signal boosted.

Misty Winston

No, I agree.

Robin Lundberg

The reason the double standard is pointed out is because the initial standard was put out there when it should look a death threat or anything like that should be reported, taken seriously, brought to the authorities, whatever can be done.

Co-host or assistant (handling super chats)

Done.

Robin Lundberg

The commission of the league can't really do anything about social media. No, we're not sitting there going, go do an audit of LeBron James's mentions online and see what you find.

Court official or prosecutor

Right.

Robin Lundberg

Like, it's not going to be pretty. But we don't see LeBron addressing that in the press conference. As far as the commissioner goes, you know, I think the, the. There's two things that they messed up on and that they could have done a lot better. That that would have helped. Helped Maybe. You know, it seems like people are, are hell bent on doing this no matter what. But if there were things that would have helped Quell, this would be just making the calls. Right. In real time.

Misty Winston

Yeah.

Robin Lundberg

Or, or even like, you know, retroactively, quickly, like they did with Alyssa Thomas. You know, Kennedy Carter was a common foul. You know, diamond to Shields truck. Caitlin Clark and Marina Mabry didn't get thrown out of that game.

Narrator or voiceover reading article

Game.

Robin Lundberg

Like if, if she got thrown out of that game, if Kennedy Carter got thrown out of that game, that sets a precedent for the. On court part of it, which is what, you know, gives you the highlight tapes to run with and, and to, to broadcast all over the, the networks. And then the other aspect of it was like, I feel like everybody was so afraid to praise Caitlin Clark.

Misty Winston

Yeah.

Robin Lundberg

Or acknowledge that there might be some resentment because they were worried about hurting feelings or being called racist or whatever nonsense that was out there that they just wouldn't tell the truth or wouldn't, you know, just stand out there with a backbone because they were worried about the comment section. And, and I think that, you know, those are the, the things that the, the league could have done better is meet those things head on, you know, make sure that the calls were done right and, you know, take a leadership stand, dance with a voice without being worried about the, the noise, for lack of a better word.

Misty Winston

Yeah. I feel like the league was just grossly unequipped for this moment. I don't think that they had any capacity to understand what was them. I feel like, you know, there's been college women's basketball superstars, no question about it. I mean, Diana Taurasi, Sue Bird, Kelsey Plum, Asia Wilson. I mean, there's been big stars in college basketball before, but I feel like previously that kind of motion never really followed anybody into the W. And obviously, we've never seen a phenom quite. To the degree that Caitlin Clark has managed to become in few sports. I mean, she is. I mean, there's just really no denying it. And obviously, I'm a fan, so I'm gonna glaze. I mean, I'll admit my bias, but I don't think that it's really, really for debate at this point. I mean, every available method, every measurable met. Am I back? Okay, we're doing it live. It happens. I'm sorry, guys. Anyways, so we're here with Robin. We're talking about the wnba. I kind of don't know where I think I was talking about. The growth of the WNBA is very clearly. I think if you look at every available metric, if you look at viewership, if you look at attendance, I mean, it is very driven by Caitlin Clark. And I think that it is. I mean, certainly, as you mentioned, it's grown beyond her, which is great. That's exactly what everybody should want to see. That's what I was hoping to see. I've been. I've been watching the WNBA since the Katie Smith days. She was a Buckeye. I mean, I used to go to her high school game. She grew up 20 minutes from where I live. I've watched women's basketball my entire life. And so the prospect of a player like Caitlin Clark, who was bringing eyeballs to a sport that I love and was bringing, I mean, money and resources and sponsorships and all of those things, it was a very exciting time for me. And I feel like it was very disappointing to see. See, as I was mentioning, the lack of readiness that the league really had. I mean, there's just no way of going about it to be nice about it. They were completely ineffective and had no idea what they were doing. And it was abundantly clear. It's been mismanaged from jump. And I feel like that is. I mean, that's a real problem. And I feel like at this point, the commissioner, Kathy Engelbert, is in over her head. I think it's clear. We just saw recently that she, Dan Patrick, invited her to come on the show. There's been all of this. This conversation and all of this controversy and this it's been going on for years now, Robin. For three years now, we've been dealing with this level of controversy just over and over again. The cycles just keep repeating themselves. And so he invited her on his show to answer tough questions and have a real conversation and she punked out. And that's just unacceptable behavior at this point and at this stage of the league. So do you feel like, and I feel like. But do you feel like that it is time to move past Kathy Engelbert? I feel like she is not the person who is, is ready and equipped to deal with the league and handle this moment where we are right now.

Robin Lundberg

Yeah, I think she has to do a better job with her communication and leadership or, or else that would be the case. I mean, as far as the, the growth and the health of the league, I pointed to that like she's done a good job stewarding that, but where she is lacked is meeting the moment as the, the face and as the person who stands out. I'm sure she's going to do it at All Star Weekend and that's probably what she. He's waiting for. But these are the things where, you know, leadership makes a big difference when you just come out and set the tone and it's hard to put the toothpaste back in the tube. So maybe that would be the, the case for somebody else taking the place because it would set a new tone in that regard. But I mean, you were right as far as it's the popularity that I think is the, the number one cause of, of everything. There are other aspects to it, it, you know, trickle down aspects in the culture of the wnba. And you mentioned some of the other players, like, you know, you, you learn a little bit more about what was being said about Sabrina and, and what Chelsea Plum dealt with in the past. And this has just been put on steroids in that regard. And then there was that almost feeling of the, the people who were like the band before it got popular and blew up and, and gatekeeping and all that nature and it's just such a cocktail that I'm not even sure what to do with it now, other than if it were me, I would just get in front of a microphone, get in front of the cameras, say it how it is not be afraid of the blowback and also then point to what I just pointed to. Oh, you want to hit me with these narratives? I got the narratives for you. The CBA biggest pay raise in the history of sports, the attendance records, the ratings records, the Golden State Valkyries Billion dollar franchise evaluation for a women's sports team. Like, what do you mean? What are we even talking about? And yes, Caitlin Clark, you know, we, we screwed up. We should have called these things right. She deserves all of this credit, you know, not to, you know, but to everybody who's saying the league would be defunct without her. This is the 30th year of it, you know, yes, she's the catalyst for the growth, but it existed prior to her. It would exist without her. But she deserves to be recognized, treated fairly and credited for, for what she did as well. Why is that a problem? I've never, like, because I've never seen that with Michael Jordan or Tiger woods or Serena Williams or LeBron James or Lewis Hamilton or whoever you may name.

Misty Winston

Yeah, it's so, it's weird to me and I think that the, the dynamic is super interesting. It's depressing a little bit because it is the way that it is, but it is interesting because you're right like a Simone Biles didn't have to face that. And listen, she's a black woman moving into a mostly white sport. I mean, Tiger woods, obviously. And listen, I'm not discounting Simone Biles has absolutely dealt with racism and hate and all of that stuff Tiger woods dealt with. I know that Tiger woods dealt with hate because I actually, as a, I don't know, I was probably like 15 at the time, wrote a letter to the editor of Golf Digest after the fuzzy Zweller nonsense that he spewed, the racist comments that he made about whatever it was. I don't even remember watermelon, I think, think watermelon, fried chicken and watermelon or whatever he said years ago. But I wrote, I actually, my little 15 year old self wrote a letter to the editor of Golf Digest talking about how disgusting he was and how he was a racist and all this. So I have no doubt that that happens. But I feel like the Caitlyn Clark situation has been so singular and I don't know if it's. Maybe I, I don't know what it is. I don't know if it's the social media era, maybe that is probably that has elevated it. I feel like that's, it's kind of become just. We get bombarded with it daily on all of these social media sites. And you mentioned that there are other players who have dealt with this level of hate. And I just think it's very unfortunate that in the year of 2026 we're still doing this and that we still have. I Mean, Kelsey Plum, very famously, I should have pulled that clip. But she was doing a podcast and she said, listen, it's not easy to be a 5 foot 8 white girl coming into a league that's 85% black women who want to take your head off. So I don't think there's any denying that there's some race elements here. I don't think there's any denying that there's maybe some sexuality issues here. Caitlin Clark is a white straight woman in a league filled with 85% black women, and a lot are LGBTQ. And I think that that's a fair assessment to make, but you can't even say that out loud without people getting all riled up. And I mean, Carrie Champion said that she found it offensive that anybody would even say that black women don't like her. Meanwhile, Carrie Champion two weeks ago was on her podcast and literally said the words, I don't like her. So it's this weird, I mean, Emmanuel Ho said this. I mean, he was on his podcast one day and he said that Caitlin Clark is being treated unfairly. She probably needs to fight somebody. I mean, I'm paraphrasing, but he was like, she probably just needs to fight somebody. And then two days later, he gets on his podcast and he says that she's coddled. So it's just like this, she's being used as this pawn and this back and forth forth on this culture war issue. And I just think it's grossly unfair, and I think it's a detriment to the league. I feel like a lot of. I just want to talk about basketball, Robin. I want to talk about basketball.

Robin Lundberg

The truth is, everybody knows she's the one that gets the engagement, right?

Misty Winston

So, yes, yes.

Robin Lundberg

Even when the people who are complaining she gets talked about too much are talking about her in doing so, or they're saying somebody else is who she's supposed to be, be, and that that's constantly what, what you see out there all the time, that sort of energy. And, and I do. Look, I, I, I firmly believe that, you know, I, I, I treat everybody like an individual. I don't care, you know, man, woman, black, white, straight, gay, whatever. You know, everybody's in it. So I don't want to ever say they or specific groups or whatever, but I do find it interesting, like comparing it to the NBA, because I had been a hoops head my whole life, and I've followed and covered the NBA. And you see, none of the NBA players have been afraid to give Caitlin Clark.

Co-host or assistant (handling super chats)

Her.

Robin Lundberg

Her flowers.

Misty Winston

Yeah.

Robin Lundberg

And in my experience, playing ball as a white dude, playing ball a lot of times in, you know, heavily black spaces, once the ball's checked and you prove what you can do, that's it, you know, it's over with. And it doesn't, that doesn't seem to be the case with Caitlin Clark. There's even this, you know, know, trying to tear down her game on top of it, you know, so like. And you're gonna get that no matter what. Like when you're hyped or whatever and you're overrated or you're not LeBron got. You're not clutching. And I actually think in a weird way, LeBron's the closest I've ever seen to this, but it's different. Like LeBron's the closest I've ever seen where he get discussed and was discussed every single day on social media, on tv, some which way. But with Clark, that, that culture war seasoning or aspect of it was mixed in that that made it different. But, but the, the closest parallel I can find, at least for this is LeBron James.

Misty Winston

Yeah. Yes. And I'm grateful that he, I mean he's reached out to her and I'm glad that she listen. And again, I'm a fan, so you can say that I'm glazing and I'm, I probably am. But in my opinion, it's true. I feel like basket women's basketball couldn't have asked for a better ambassador. The way that she has handled herself, the way that she has handled the pressure, the way that she has handled the noise and the controversy and all of the stuff that surrounds her is really admirable. I mean, I think of myself at 24 years old and I was a hot mess. I, like, I couldn't, there's no way I could handle what she is handling right now. I'm not sure I could do it at 44, if I'm being honest with you. Like, it's a lot of pressure for a 24 year old girl. Girl to be under and she's been under it really since she was, you know, a kid. A kid. So I think it's been really admirable watching the way that she handles it and the, the league really couldn't have asked for a better ambassador. And I understand to a certain degree that there might be some resentment. I get it. This league's been around for 30 years and there has been a lot of really tremendous women who have played in this league. There's been, I mean there's been the Cheryl Swoops who, I mean, very famously does not like Caitlyn Clark. And there's been, I mean, Cheryl Miller didn't get to play in the wnba, but she's, you know, one of the greats, one of the goats. There's been the Lisa Lesley's, there's been the Candace Parkers, there's been the Diane Ches. And I understand that there might be a level of resentment that there they couldn't get the eyeballs and they couldn't get the attention and the credibility and all of that stuff. But I feel like at this point, shouldn't you just be happy that now it's here and not really care why? I mean, I feel like it's a self defeating attitude to take to want to tear down the person who is bringing the league up. That feels very counterproductive to me. Do you feel like we're going to see that end at any time soon? Because I really would, I would really like to just talk about basketball. I would love to be able to talk about how amazing Asia Wilson is. I would love to be able to talk about how Aaliyah Boston is really coming into her own and owning her game. I would love to be able to talk about people like Carla Elite who are. There's like these amazing young players, the Sonia Citrons and the Kiki Aria Fins and I mean there's a lot of tremendous talent in the WNBA and we don't talk about it ever.

Robin Lundberg

I thought, I thought when like the Taurasi embrace happened that might change the tone. I know, I can't promise that that that's gonna to happen. I don't know. You know, the one thing about the, the backlash that I do get to a certain extent is all the people who came in and say I'm only here because of her. Everybody else is trash. Nobody cared about this other like, so I can hear, I could see where somebody who's put their blood and heart and soul into that and hears that and is turned off a little bit. But the problem is people continue to attach Caitlin Clark to these things that Caitlin Clark doesn't have anything to do with. And I think, think what could help her the most is advocates, you know, not like me, but somebody in the league, you know, a mainstay to put their arm around her or to say, you know what, the Alyssa Thomas thing was not cool, or you know what? This is not cool. Like, you know, like Caitlyn has nothing to do with this. And instead, you know, Asia Wilson Kind of hints at, you know, like the trouble could pop off in indie or, you know, black women aren't getting as much attention as when, when, you know, Asia Wilson, to me obviously a great player, but to me she's like sort of like Tim Duncan and Chris Bosh. You know, like I only say Chris Bosh. She's a greater player, relatively speaking, by a lot. But he had that same sort of mid range jumper and then Tim Duncan for the rest of her game. But Tim Duncan, Allen Iverson was always more popular than Tim Duncan, even though Tim Duncan was a better player than Alan Iverson. So there's a part of it that, that's the game game. There's, there's how people gravitate to your personality and likability. Like, you know, you don't get to pick, you don't get to choose the these ones. They're the chosen ones. And, and I think that's the, the best thing that could help Caitlin Clark is if her coach, if her franchise is some superstars in the league, if the commissioner, we're just not afraid to say, yeah, she's great. She didn't, she's not responsible for any of this. Shut up.

Misty Winston

Yeah, know. Yes, I agree and I what's really, I mean, don't get me started on the coach and the organization because that's a whole other show. I could do a whole hour on that by itself. But I mean, we've seen a couple of, you know, retired grades. Cynthia Cooper, Cheryl Miller obviously had her back. I mean, Cheryl Miller, I think she was on the, what is it, the up and Smoke podcast. And she, she said, I relate to her because I understand what it's like to be not just hated, but despised for the color of my skin. So she recognizes that there's a racial aspect to this. I would love to see her team or her organization stand up for her. I would love and I'm gonna here come people to tell me that I'm asking black women to save the white girl. And that's not what I'm doing here. What I'm doing is just add like maybe saying that this is a way that people could cool things down. I mean, how cool would it be if Alyssa Thomas just let bygones be bygones. Gantz apologized to Caitlyn and kind of took her under her wing. Or Asia Wilson. Asia Wilson has a tremendous amount of influence over the players in that league. She could very easily decide to, you know, take a different path and say, listen, we're going to, we're going to embrace Caitlyn. We're going to bring like, it should be a sisterhood and it shouldn't be black players versus white players. It should be. It's an amazing thing. There's like, what, 180 players in all of the WNBA that should be a sister sisterhood. And they should be looking out for each other, period, period. Without the race and sexuality stuff going on. It's a very small club that, I mean, that's just me. I mean, I feel like they should be looking out for each other, period. I understand there's going to be some personality differences and you're not going to like every player and there's going to be. I mean, nothing's better than a sports rivalry. I'm fine with that. But I just feel like there's just been this just constant barrage of trying to tear her down, of trying to minimize her talent, of trying to force things on her that have nothing to do with her and hold her responsible for things. She has no accountability and no ability to change. She's a basketball player. She's not going to solve racism. She's not going to end online hate and trolls. That's just not reality. So, yeah, I mean, people are going to come for me and say that I'm asking black women to save the white girl. And you can look at it that way if you want to. I don't see it that way. I just wish that, you know, the league could come together. I feel like that would be so galvanizing for the sport and I want to see the sport elevated. And I feel like right now we're pushing casual fans out because they don't want to deal with this drama. Basketball fans want to watch basketball. They want to talk about basketball. They want to talk about stat lines and field goal percentages and three point percentages. And I want to talk about the fact that Sophie Cunningham is shooting lights out basketball right now. I want to talk about Kelsey Mitchell being unbelievably fast and an incredible shooter. I want to talk about Marina mabry putting up 53 points. I mean, 30 point games. Like it's her. Like it's nothing. I mean, she's walking into these amazing games and we're not talking about basketball. It is just a constant culture war and it's really unfortunate. So hopefully we can get to the point where we can talk about basketball.

Court official or prosecutor

Of all.

Misty Winston

I think that the letter from Congress is a great overstep. I. I guess. And again, as you said, it's Republican Congress people, so that's immediately going to be looked at as, oh, look, see, she's maga. Like, she's. Although she's not, she's very clearly not maga, but that is what people. I mean, there's a lot of projection happening onto Caitlyn Clark and I think it's really unfortunate. Makes me really sad for her for the game, for the league. It's just not a good look and I wish we could move past it. We'll see. We'll see.

Robin Lundberg

I do think the next generation of players is. Is not quite as entrenched in that. So, yeah, hopefully Caitlyn doesn't have to, like, continue to suffer.

Misty Winston

It's been a long three years for her. I really do feel for her. But you're right, I think that with the juju's coming up and the Sarah Strongs and the Hannah Hidalgos, I mean, there's a tremendous amount of. Amount of talent getting ready to break through into the league. I'm super excited about that. So I would like to be able to talk about basketball and I don't want to keep having these culture work conversations. Of course, racism, homophobia, all of that stuff. Very important conversations to have. But I feel like a lot of us use sports as an escape from some of that. And so I feel like it would be nice to get to a point where the league can come together and really, like, I mean, really come together as a sisterhood fight for each other, protect each other, realize that it's a very small club and there's going to be a lot of outside people attacking. And that's why you need to band together even closer. So, I mean, I hope we get to that point. I don't know, but we shall see. So, Robin, thank you for coming on the show. You can follow Robin over on. On Twitter at Robin Lundberg. I don't know why I can't say your name, my guy. It's ridiculous. I have a hard time talking sometimes. Anyway, uh, you can check out Robin's YouTube page as well. Um, he kind of covers sports in general. A lot of women's basketball, some wrestling, stuff like that. So definitely check that out. And then you have a book coming out. Tell us about this.

Robin Lundberg

Yeah, so I mean, it. It kind of ties in the intro specifically into exactly what we're talking about. So more or less it's a career highlight reel for, for Caitlin Clark from college through the last year, actually through the feeble World Cup. And the thesis is. Is basically, it's the, the big moments, but the thesis is basically that her popularity was born out of basketball. And the. The impact is threaded within those moments. So it's trying to reframe that. The discussion about Caitlin Clark into what. What you were hoping we were while acknowledging the other stuff, but not making that the. The. The central topic matter.

Misty Winston

Yeah. And I love that you got the forward by Ryan Ruko. I love Ryan Ruko. I'm upset that he doesn't call more Fever games this year. I love Rebecca and Ryan together. Together. They're so much fun. Rebecca Lobo, Ryan Ruko. He's the guy that does the. You bet. For any of you who watch a lot of sports, he's fantastic. He's so much fun to listen to on a game. So it's cool that you got him to do the forward. I know you guys are friends.

Robin Lundberg

We used to do a radio show together. So.

Adam Clark (Ruckus)

Yeah.

Robin Lundberg

And Ryan, good people, you know, he's been. He's always been super supportive.

Misty Winston

He's a fantastic announcer. He's so much fun. He's one of my favorites of all time, really to listen to. And I've been watching sports my whole life. He's a lot of fun to listen to. And him and Rebecca Lobo together is just so good. So it's really cool that you were able to get him to do the forward. So, again, I could talk your ear off about this. As you can probably tell, I love the wnba, so I could ramble on about this forever, but I. I don't want to keep you any longer. So I appreciate you taking the time. Thank you so much. And we'll talk soon.

Robin Lundberg

Okay? Have a good night.

Misty Winston

Thank you. All right, guys.

Co-host or assistant (handling super chats)

All right. Yeah. Super chat depth. All right, everyone. I've got a few. I've got a few. Rorschach, satellite imagery also shown. Has also shown. There's no also. You actually never typed also. I make. I'm adding that satellite imagery has shown Israel has broken the ceasefire multiple times. Good point, Rorschach. But. But all in self defense, right? GDNPB comes back with liars are the the real scumbags. Roger Meadows. Misty, my super chat last week asked how East Palestine are doing and if you'd be willing to commit to taking Ohio medical Medicare for all SB78 and running as a ballot amendment to ratify into Ohio Congress. You answered first question but not second. Hold on. Roger Meadows, Missy will come back with that in a second. Second. So just to clarify your question, I think you're saying so will you run it as 2028 ballot measure amendment. Okay. Hold on. That Roger Vient's prime. Marco Rubio is likely. I can't read today. Marco Rubio is like a kidney stone. If is like if kidney stone. See, this isn't my fault. Marco Rubio is like if kidney stone stones had half a personality. It's funny. It's funny. Unless you have kidney stones. Steve, an overreach for writing a letter seems totally reasonable to me. If she's being abused, which seems to be the case, I will support anyone calling that out, regardless of the motivation. And finally, we've got Scooby saying Free Palestine. And on that, if. Misty, if you're ready, if you want to come back on and answer Roger's question and then take over from there. Bye, everyone.

Misty Winston

I was muted again, caught myself. So, Roger, I. I'm. I don't know, Misha, is it just. Am I interested in.

Co-host or assistant (handling super chats)

Here, let me, let me get it for you again. Let me get it for you.

Misty Winston

Something about Medicare for All, I think.

Co-host or assistant (handling super chats)

Yes. So let's see. Okay. Roger says, misty, my super chat last week asked how East Palestine are doing and if you'd be willing to commit to taking OHM4A SB78 and run as a ballot amendment to ratify into OH C O N. You answered my first question, not my second. And then he comes back saying, so will you run it as 2028 valid measure amendment?

Misty Winston

I mean, I don't have that much power. I don't. I mean. And listen, I'll be very upfront with you just now. That's okay.

Co-host or assistant (handling super chats)

Okay.

Misty Winston

We all have. I will be honest with you, Roger. I don't really mess with electoral politics. I think it's a waste of time. I feel like ballot measures can maybe be effective, but I mean, where I live, it's really corrupt, even at the local level. So I, I don't mess with electoral politics. I feel like that's a giant waste of time. People get very mad at me for saying that. Oh, but what about third parties? Oh, what about ballot initiatives and all, if you listen, if that's the thing that you want to do. I feel like our electoral system is entirely broken and corrupted, 100%, front to back, top to bottom. And there really is. You can't. You can't change the game, playing their game by their rules. And so I'm a big proponent of working outside the system, of building parallel systems, of opting out whenever possible, building, you know, your own structures and relationships within your community, learning to grow food, all of that stuff. So, I mean, I'm. If I'M sure Ohio will have that on the ballot if it passes. It won't. Let's be very clear. They're not going to give us health care.

Co-host or assistant (handling super chats)

Well, keep us posted. Roger and Misty and. And now I'll get out of here. Okay, you take the show.

Misty Winston

I hope that answers Roger's question. I don't really know. I don't. I don't mess with.

Robin Lundberg

With

Misty Winston

electoral politics at all. I really genuinely believe it's a waste of time.

Kyle Anzlone

So.

Misty Winston

Okay, we're gonna do a couple more stories here before we wrap up. So, again, thank you so much for tuning into the Jimmy Dore Show. I'm your guest host for today, Misty Winston and I have a. So the last few times I've been guest hosting, I've been trying to call attention to and cover the crazy levels of surveillance that is currently going up and happening all around us right now. I feel like it is a grossly undercovered story. And again, I know that there's a happening right now, but I feel like people are so distracted that they're not paying attention to the fact that we. It's. It is really terrifying what is happening right now. And we've talked numerous times on the show as I've guest hosted about the Flock camera system, the supposed license plate readers that are way more than that. But I wanted to call attention to something that happened here recently. And this is the Flock CEO and he says you can see here, quote, unfortunately there's terrorist organizations like DQ Flock, who I have mentioned on this show and plugged on this show and will continue to do so, whose primary motivation is chaos. They're closer to antifa than they are anything else. And really your detractors are anti fascist and he has a problem with that. I mean, that really says it all. So deflock is genuinely just an open source project that maps the license plate readers and educates people about what they do, the kind of information that they're collecting, that kind of stuff. And nobody here is, I think, unaware. Jimmy Dore's audience is incredibly smart and tuned in. So I don't doubt that you guys already know what's happening with Flock, but I feel like we need to talk about it more. I feel like we need to fight against it harder. Like this is a very terrifying prospect. So I'm going to play this video so you can hear in his own words what he thinks about you if you are against what he is doing with Flock cameras because it's pretty disturbing. Organizations like the ACLU and the FA who take an above abort approach to fight for their point of view. And thankfully we live in a beautifully democratic capitalistic country where we can fight in court. And I have a lot of respect for those groups because they have reasonable debates and we follow the law. And then unfortunately there's terroristic organizations like D. Flock whose primary motivation is chaos. They are closer to antifa than they are anything else. And that I think is unfortunate because we don't want chaos or I don't want chaos. I like law and order. I like a society that has a bedrock of safety. So for those groups, I think it's just disappointing that they haven't chosen a more constructive mannerism to try to get what they want, which they have a right to have. But that's why we have a democratically elected process.

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Right?

Misty Winston

Like we're not forcing Flock on anyone. Elected officials know that as a community, you want to be safe. You want to be safe. Guys, he's providing safety. Bullshit. This little twerp. Sorry, this makes me mad. He makes me mad. All of this makes me very angry. These, these cameras are everywhere, y'. All. I first noticed one in my town. I live in small town Ohio. I noticed the first one in my town maybe like six months ago. And since then they are everywhere. I have seen dozens of them in the most ridiculous places too, by the way. They're not just on major roadways or thoroughfares or whatever. They have of a lot them on playgrounds. They have them in the like. There's no license plates in a playground. They're not license plate readers. They are surveillance. This is a surveillance network, period. End of story. This is facial recognition. This is all of the things that we have been talking about and fearing for a very long time. This is the stuff that Whitney Webb has been talking about. This is the stuff that Ryan Christian has been talking about from the Last American Vagabond. This is the stuff that Steve Poykin and from Slow News Day, like there's been a ton of people talking about this for a very long time and here it is. The reality is upon us right now. And by the way, this is deflock, the terrorist organization and this is their website. You can go to their website. I highly recommend that you do go to their website. If you see a camera in your town, you can report it to them and they will add it to their map. I'm going to show you a map a little bit later that shows the dramatic increase of these cameras across the country. It is terrifying how fast they are going up. However, it is good news. They're coming down pretty quick too. I'm just saying there's some people who are. They're coming down. They're coming down too. There's some towns who are having some issues. Now. The, the good news is, is that there have been some communities and that's why I want to this, because I feel like we need to get more activated on this issue. And again, I'm not a big fan of electoral politics, but I do feel like if you live in a town where you can go to your, you know, little town hall meeting or whatever it is and really push and pressure your city councils, there have been places where they have been effective in getting their local area to de affiliate with block and that's temporary. Like they're going to keep going. Like they're going to keep pushing this issue. They're going to keep trying to put these things, things up all around us. So it's going to have to be something that we remain hyper vigilant about. Just another thing that we're going to have to fight for. But these cameras are insane. They do not need to be anywhere near our communities. It's crazy. So, but in that video he mentions the aclu. So I wanted to bring this up because these. Okay, I need to. I'm trying not to cuss a lot, but it makes me really angry. These turds lie all the time. So this article, I would recommend you. I'm only going to share a bit of, of it, but in this article, the ACLU talks about the various ways that these turds lie to local town hall meetings, to local governments, to like different locations where, I mean, Menards, Walmart, all of these places have contracts with Flock. They lie to them about what they're doing, what they're collecting, how they're being used. I know that Jimmy has covered on the show recently the way they're being misused and how cops are using them to stalk people. There's a whole heap of bad that comes along with this stuff. So the ACLU just wanted to bring to your attention that these douche canoes lie all the time. And including, by the way, he says, the aclu, oh, they're so above board. They're so great. They lie about partnering with the ACLU too. So this says here from this article, and this is at the end of the article again, please go read the whole thing. Flock has even made false claims to the public and elected officials about working with the aclu. Earlier this year, after the ACLU of New Mexico and Flock supported the same state level ALPR legislation, albeit for very different reasons. Flock's senior Director of Public affairs took to social media to claim that Flock partnered with the ACLU of New Mexico to craft the bill and pass it. So these are the tweets that he put out. This is Trevor Chandler and he says in New Mexico, Flock partnered with the ACLU of New Mexico and law enforcement partners to craft a bill that balance both community safety and community values. It is important to note that public safety tech doesn't only protect the public public, but law enforcement themselves doesn't protect either. Believe it. Flock, aclu, NM and immigrant rights groups came together to pass a serious data privacy bill. Don't believe the ideologues who say safety and privacy can't be balanced. I'm proud to work on a team that's engaging in serious conversations to keep both communities and privacy safe. Full of shit. This was not the first time the ACLU has caught Flock falsely claiming to have worked with us. During an Urbana, Illinois city council meeting in 2021, the company told council members 23 minutes into the discussion that, quote, flock has worked with groups like the ACLU to design an ALPR system that takes considerations they have into account. End quote. That's a lie. To be clear, neither the ACLU nor any of our affiliates have ever partnered with Flock Safety or worked with them to design any ALPR system. As an organization that has spent 106 years earning our good name and reputation, we can confidently advise Flock Clock that lying to the public and elected officials about your work and your relationships is not how you get there. I love that little dig that they threw in. Ultimately, reputable governments should not do business with disreputable companies. That's a bar. While government should think long and hard about not using ALPRs, if local governments insist on doing so, at bare minimum, they should adopt strong guardrails governing future ALPR use, including strictly limiting data retention, data sharing, and what crimes they could be used used to enforce. And of course, they should refuse to partner with any company that regularly misleads the public, elected officials and even its own customers. And as Jason Bassler points out here, this is. By the way, Garrett Langley is the name of the CEO. I don't know if I said his name. Garrett Langley. That's his name. He says Flock cameras can scan up to 20 billion plates a month. Tell me again how this isn't a nationwide tracking system. It is. And he has this meme here. That's a nice fourth Amendment you got there. It would be a shame if I violated it 20 billion times a month, because that is what Flock is doing. This is a gross violation of our constitutional rights. It is. I mean, it's crazy that it's happening out loud in broad daylight at the rate that it's happening. But again, this is. This is what happens when you allow them to slow walk this stuff. They never do this stuff overnight. It is a gradual chipping away of your rights. They're very effective at it. And just so you know, these people have names and faces, so. Jason Basler posted. This is the Flock executive team. All of their names are listed there on the bottom. They have names, they have email addresses. They have social media. I mean, obviously don't harass people. That's not a good look. But you should feel free to voice your concerns about Flock and what it is doing and the data that it is collecting. It's not an Alpro are. They are monitoring you in every which way. They're tracking you everywhere that you go. It's not even effective. There's been numerous cases where it has been used to harass and detain and arrest innocent people based on dubious evidence. It's happened numerous times. It's insane. And it is a gross violation of our privacy. So I did want to. Oh, I got to pull this back up. Sorry. When I had to bounce out, I. My video froze. I had to. I forgot to pull this back up. Let me see if I could find it. Oh, so annoying.

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Here we go.

Misty Winston

Okay, hold on. Hold, please. Hold, please. I'm hurrying. I am hurrying. Okay, let's see. Oh, stop. Let me see if I can find it. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. Okay, there we go. Oh, I already had it in there. Okay, Guys. Look at that, Y'.

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Misty Winston

That's crazy to even think about. This is over the course of just two years. I'm gonna play it again just so you can see how significant this is. I mean, that's terrifying to me. I can't. I can't even wrap my head around how quickly that has developed and how fast these things have popped up all over the country. And it's just. It's just going to keep happening. Like, I mean, if you. If we look at this, in two more years, the entire country is going to be covered with these things. And we. I mean, I cannot express how. How deeply we need to fight against that happening. These people do not have your best interests at mind. They do not care about keeping you safe. They do not care about solving crimes or helping law enforcement. That's not what this is about. I think everybody here knows that this is a surveillance state. Like a legitimate, terrifying, hardcore surveillance state. And so again, I'm going to hype D Flock again. And listen, there's multiple websites and organizations that are. Are tracking Flock that are. I mean, and it's not just flock. There are other camera systems and all that stuff. We've talked about that here on the show. I just, am just. He's the guy, he's the turd that spoke up and called us terrorists. So we're going to talk about Flock. But deflock is a great website. They've been doing a great job of trying to track these things, educate people about what they are, all of that good stuff. If you want to get involved with D Flock, but you're not sure how, you can go to dflock.org backslash groups. You can find a local group. If you don't have one one start one. This is how you can get organized in your local communities to go to those meetings and push back on these things being installed in your communities. It's a great way to, you know, try to fight back against this stuff. They're also doing a national week of action. So August 16th through the 22nd, they're going to have a national day of action. And the list of cities participating is growing. So if you would. If you're interested in that, if you want to see if there's an event. Event in your area, you can go to no A l p r s.com backslash participation. You can also just go to deflock.org I think they have a link to it there as well. And then they also have. This is a very helpful. And this is. Let's have a little personal story. There's a. A church just down the street from me and my neighbor goes to that church and he told me, because we talk sometimes about some of our conspiracy stuff and all of that, all the world goings on and whatever. And he told me that the church was considering having a flock camera placed on their property. So I am going to. I tried to go down and get a meeting with them, but the. I don't know if it's a. I'm an atheist. I don't go to church. I don't know if it's like a board or whatever. There's like a group of people that run the church business and they're, they're. I think two of them are on a mission trip. So they are not doing any new business or anything for a while. So when they get back, I'm going to schedule a meeting with them and this is going to be very helpful for me because I would like to go in incredibly informed, formed. So they have, they're starting to put together talking points, research, frequently asked questions, all of those other types of resources. So if you want to go and speak at one of your, you know, local town halls or if you want, if you, if you have a church then they're thinking about putting one of these things on the property or if they have one on your kids school or whatever it is and you want to go and you want to have those conversations. This will help you get really educated so that you know what you're talking about when you go into it. Because that's, I mean, obviously the best way to go about it. So please check out d flock steve lock.org push back against this stuff. It's incredibly terrifying. I don't even begin to know how we stop it. I'm not sure that we can. They want to, they want to do this stuff. They're going to do this stuff. I think that's, it's really difficult for us to fight back against this stuff effectively. But we have to try. I feel. I think we have to try. So again, go to deflock.org also, I mean there's plenty of people covering this. My personal favorite is Jason Bassel. He's been doing great work on this so you can go and follow him as well. But there's plenty of people covering it who have been covering it. The Whitney Webs and all the people I mentioned earlier and they've been on this for years. This is not a new thing. This has been around for a very long time. But as you saw from that map, it is significantly increasing fast. It's really fast. It's terrifying. So please go and check out their work as well. Okay, let's move on. We got one more story and then you're done. I'm done with you. You're done with me. You're free of me. So again, thank you so much for tuning in to the Jimmy Dore Show. I am your guest host for today, Misty Winston. And we're going to move now to talking about something else that is really terrifying and that is the new autonomous police drones. Not new, but there's a big push for this right now and I don't feel like a lot of people are talking about this aspect of it either. It's a terrifying, another terrifying aspect of the surveillance state that is very quickly being forced upon us. So this is from futurism. If you want to go check this article out for yourself. So there's a new hot phrase bouncing around police departments across the United States. Drone as first responder. That phrase gives me the chills. Like that's a crate. Drone as first responder Hard pass okay, so from small town Indiana to New York City, cops around the country are embracing autonomous surveillance drones drones as the latest innovation in policing. While you might hear about the occasional puppy found in the woods with a police drone, those feel good stories provide excellent cover for their true purposes gathering intelligence on peaceful protests, surveilling minority communities and intimidating activists. We all know though drone as first responder initiatives may not yet inspire the same knee jerk opposition as flock surveillance towers and data centers, fury is clearly growing as more and more Americans are taking a stand against police drones. In Minneapolis, residents are speaking out against the city Police Department's plan to partner with skydio, a private defense contractor that primarily manufactures drones for military forces. Concerned citizens packed a City council meeting to discuss the initiative on Wednesday, filling both the main council hall and a backup overflow room, CBS reported. That gives me great hope. The idea that that many people showed up is to a city council meeting to talk about this gives me hope. People are paying attention. So at the meeting, over 40 residents took the Microsoft to explain that they don't want skydio drones, or any drones for that matter, in the Twin Cities. Quote the deployment of autonomous surveillance drones rests on the presumption that regular that the regular people unto themselves are existential threats and quote, one speaker claimed, according to local station Fox 9, quote but if you accept and normalize that idea that every single person could be an existential threat, then you have already stripped your own residents of any inkling of humanity and end quote, the speaker continued, highlighting the fact that Minneapolis has a particularly grim history of police violence against black people. Quote, we need respect for our individuals and shared humanity, they told count City Council members. More relational work on the ground, not remote drones in the air, end quote. That movement in Minneapolis seems to be growing following weeks of organizing by local activists. Though Minneapolis appears to be the main battleground for anti police drone sentiment at the moment, similar concerns have been raised in Syracuse, Detroit and Las Vegas. At Wednesday's City Council meeting, some Twin City residents cast local opposition to police drones as one front in the national struggle over civil liberties. One resident, for example, observed that, quote, unquote, every innovation in police technology is ripe for abuse. Yes, a conclusion Shared by groups like the Electronic Frontier foundation and the aclu. Quote, we watched federal immigration officers come in here with drafts drones. We watched ICE come in here and violate our constitutional rights. Every technology given to state and federal law enforcement has been abused. And that is a very good point. We have, I mean as I said earlier, Jimmy, covered on the show the way that flock cameras and other ALPRs are being misused to, I mean cops are using them to stalk their ex girlfriends or women that they pulled over that they thought were hot or whatever and they wanted to like, you know, contact them. It, the way that it is being misused is gross. And this is just going to be another one of those things. The idea that we are going to have, listen, drone as first responder is crazy work. No, thank you. The idea that there's going to be a machine that is the one that is going to respond to, I mean any number of incidents that may occur, whether it's a car accident or a home invasion or you know, mental health distress call or whatever it is, that's. And it's not. And I'm glad, very glad that in this article they mentioned the fact that if you notice in the news over the past, past, I don't know, five years or so in particular at least I have noticed there's been an increase in those kind of feel good stories where you know, toddler wanders off and they are able to locate them thanks to drones and that has been the way that they soften this stuff and they make it more palatable and they make it more, it makes you, it tends to make you, you emotionally want to accept those things because oh my God, they saved a three year old with this drone. They were able to find this lost 3 year old with this drone. And listen, that's great. Like I love the fact that they're able to find a lost toddler in the woods or they're able to find a lost puppy or whatever it is. But we all know it doesn't stop there. And that's the problem. And again, I feel like this type of stuff, all of the surveillance stuff that is happening and it's happening fast is not being talked about nearly enough. It's not, not. I mean we have to be very loud and united against this. And again, as I said, I think that we're, I think we're getting there. I think people, more and more people are paying attention. It might be too late. I feel like they were able to keep this very under the radar for a long time and most People weren't paying attention to it. And so as we saw, like on the Flock map, it's just been this drastic increase of coverage so very quickly. And now that the systems are in place, place, it's going to be even more difficult for us to fight back against them because they are already up and running. So. But these things are not going to be used to keep you safe. They're not going to be used to keep your community safe. We all know that this is the surveillance state being forced upon us right now as we speak. And it's a terrifying thing. So I feel very preachy. Sometimes I get up on my soapbox, but I feel this. To me, I feel like this is one of the biggest issues that we're facing right now, because if we allow them to get these systems up and like, it's over, like we're. It's over. We will not like freedom is. And freedom's already kind of a joke at this point, but it, It's. I mean, it'll be just like a figment of our imagination, something that we have fond memories of. If they're able to get this stuff up and running and really effectively covering the whole country, whether it's the police drones, the Flock cameras, the. Whatever it is, and they're continually adding on to these systems as well. There's other stories that I wanted to talk about, about. Look up Leonardo surveillance. There. There are companies who are going to be creating these kind of add on devices that they can add to the ALPRs that are then going to be able to monitor, you know, not just your license plate, but if you have any other electronic devices in your car, if you have your laptop in your car, if you're wearing like a. A wearable, like a. A fitness tracker or an Apple watch or whatever, if you have anything else in your car, they're also going to be able to start keeping and compiling and storing that information that those devices were in your car at this time when you pass this place. And it's just going to continue to snowball. So, yeah, this stuff is scary. So go to dflock.org get information about that stuff, go to your local town halls and fight, I mean, rail hard against this stuff. I mean, we're really kind of behind the eight ball here, not gonna lie to you, but we have to do whatever we can. This stuff is, is. It's bad news. All of it. Bad news. Okay, I'm done preaching. I'm done. Thank you. I think Misha's gonna come in and read Some, some more super chats if we have any.

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Oh, there I am. Yes, we've got, we've got a few. Misty, thank you so much.

Misty Winston

Thanks, guys.

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And, and are you back Friday?

Misty Winston

Yes. All right, Me again. Sorry, guys.

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Okay. No, that's great. It's great.

Misty Winston

I think Kit Cabellos from Harlan's Media is going to come and be my little co host.

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That's right.

Misty Winston

I love kid. Yeah. Thanks, guys.

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All right. Thank you, missy. I just have a few. Everybody. Let's see here. Steve, I'm disappointed that you ignored my first chat. That was completely respectful. I don't, I think you stepped away, Steve. I don't know how I ignored your first chat. The one I about about Caitlyn and writing a letter and seems totally reasonable to you. If she's being abused, which seems to be the case, I will support anyone calling that out regardless of the motivation. I read that and if I didn't read it, something is, is, is very wrong with me and I should. Then I've, I've completely made that up and I don't remember it and I, I need, I need a lot more sleep maybe. But yeah, Steve, I read that. And finally here I think that we're going to leave on end on this one and make sure holds on around and I make sure there's nobody else. Vienticus Prime. I just wanted to remind everyone that empires are gay. Vanticus Prime. Thank you so much. And on that note, we'll see you back Wednesday. We've got Russell Dobular back in the host seat sitting in for Jimmy. We've got really great guests along with Russ as well. So, so get ready for that 3pm Pacific. We'll be back with Misty on Friday or for our morning show. 10, 10am Pacific. That's it. That's the show, everybody. Bye.