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How you doing, Bill? Hi, Alex. I'm doing great. Thanks.

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It was pretty normal. I grew up here in California, Central coast and as an athlete and stuff, surfer, and found firefighting, just fell in love with it. And that was in my teens. And then I just kept getting more and more jobs, hotshots and engines and backcountry stuff, and got on with Santa Barbara County Fire Department. And I was there for, I don't know, 10 years. And that's when I had my NDE in 94.

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Prior to the nd, I was raised Catholic. And you know, that kind of throws a bucket of water on the spirituality thing at times. And you know, I kind of realized that everyone was just going through the motions there on Sunday and we were in a big house and you know, you can, you know, from my life with the forest service and outdoors and surfing, that's where I was connected to, you know, the divine. That's where I found peace and spirituality. So, you know, I figured that we'll live this life and do the best you can and there's more after it. And somebody made all this, but you know, all the dogma and doctrine and rituals, it's not really necessary. That's, that's what I came to.

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Yeah, something goes on and you know, and we get to paint the picture. And that's kind of what I felt.

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But so. So what led up to the. To your near death experience? What happened in that day before you started going to the other side?

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I was. I was working at a station down in Santa Barbara, Station 11. And there was a flu epidemic going on. You know, we had those bad flu years, and it was. It was a good one. And it was filling up the hospitals and emergency rooms. And we ran on one patient, and she was. Had really gone far. She was circling the drain by the time we got to her. And we jumped into action and I, you know, in with everything that we do, putting O2 on her and getting vitals, she exhaled and I inhaled and I took her breath straight in. And I was like, oh, man, that was. I. I could feel her hot breath go down into my lungs. Yeah, everybody cringes when they think of that.

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Yeah. And we got her to the hospital and successful. She came home in a week or something. But a couple of days after I had my, you know, got that inoculation, I was really sick. And it came on pretty fast the next day and just had this racing heart and this tanking blood pressure, and I was dehydrating.

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Bill Letson

I. What I found. I found myself in a. In a star filled realm. It was just all of these stars, these colorful orbs and they were. I was parading through them and it was all good vibes and beautiful stars, you know, orbs, I guess we call them. And I was just. It was a complete ecstasy. It was complete euphoria. It felt like I'd been let out of a hot, dark, stuffy closet and I'd been stuck there. And I was now this huge expanded cloud just sailing through this. This welcoming party of stars. And I felt like somebody was pouring honey all over my brain, all over my. And it was running down through all my nerves. And it was like this, you know, I. I have not been ashamed to use this word, but it was like a cosmic orgasm. And it just kept going. It. It was just the standing wave of. Of absolute euphoria. And I was thinking, man, that was rough duty. That place was gnarly. This earth and you know, all those things, like those low emotions like anger and jealousy and rage, those things didn't exist. It was just pure, delightful existence. And as I flew along through all these stars, I was thinking, how in the world did I forget who I really was? How is it that I was absolutely convinced, immersed in this dude, that I was pretending to be this Bill Letson and he had this whole story and he had his likes and dislikes and he had, you know, this. All this stuff. And all of it was. It was like. It was a pretend. It was like it was just something I was doing, like a game. And I didn't want going back to. That was out of the question. There's no way. I was free. And I was absolutely stoked. So I flew along for a while and then. And everything was awesome. And it's like this. The moment is constantly the same thing of, oh, wow, this is so cool. Everything is new. And absolutely stoked in each moment. So I was flying along, just. I could do this forever. This is awesome. And then I landed. I landed in a place that was solid. There was indirect lighting, there was equipment there, there were beds. There were. It was a solid place. And right in front of me were three beings. And they were these short little hooded guys with big smiles on their face and they were bouncing around and giggling and I was trying to sort out, well, where am I now? This was a complete change in, you know, everything. That was a, you know, in a structure.

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And they were looking at me and they were. They were giggling and they were saying things like, how was it? What did you learn? What can you tell us? And I was just kind of looking at them like, where is it? What is this place? And who. You guys are very strange looking. And they looked exactly like that. Those guys in the movie Communion where Christopher Walken goes in and there's, you know, a lot of people when they see that they see demons or something, but they weren't. They were just these cool little munchkins and they were giggling and they were happy to see me. And if you watch that movie Communion, they're actually pretty playful, joyful guys. They don't do anything that is really upsetting. Once Christopher Walken controls his fear of the situation, once he gets used to you know, this is something phenomenal, but it's, it's. It's not menacing. So one of them came forward, he looked me up and down, and he turned to the other two and he goes, he doesn't remember us. And they started giggling uproariously, bouncing around and stuff. And I was like, guys, I kind of remember you, but, you know, this is un. Very unusual here. And then there was this other guy, and he was in the background. At first, he was this tall, wispy guy and he had this like, you know, I've called him like a trimmed up gumby and like a walking stick. And he had this huge smile on his face. His eyes were bright, and he was absolutely stoked. He could feel the love coming off of him towards me. And he had this like weird spinning energy. Like you were, you know, like if you took a glass of water and spun it and then looked at the, you know, the vortex there, the spinning, that's what he looked like. And it looked like I was. When he came forward, it was like I was looking at somebody underwater. And, you know, the top part would move first and then the other parts would sort of catch up and then he'd become whole again. And he kept moving. And as he came closer, I just felt my chest just expanding and my throat tightening. And I felt like I was going to break down in uncontrollable crying from love. There was so much love coming from this being that it was paralyzing. It was overwhelming. And, you know, we went back and forth with some different small talk stuff. And every time I said anything, he just chuckled. He just would crack up like he was looking at a little toddler and he was amused by his little toddler. And after a while, you know, the little guys were just giggling and he was just chuckling at everything. And I said, you know, well, there's not, you know, this isn't very organized. There's not much going on. Do. Do we net. Do we go and make a, you know, do a review of my life? Is that what's next? Do you guys want to get started with that? And the tall, wispy guy just cracked up. Cracked up. He was just chuckling and he thought that was hysterical that this little toddler was, you know, trying to take over. But he said, but he said, sure, sure, let's do that. How do you want to start? And so I told a few stories about, you know, jobs that my wife and I got offered a job on the. Off the coast of California on this island. And I Took a fire job. But she really wanted that. And she said, you know, when are we going to get a chance to live on an island by ourselves? And, you know, but I was, you know, 20, 22 something. Said, I'm not going to do well alone on an island at this age, and I need to. I need action. I need. You know, I need to be around fire guys.

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But yeah, but now that I'm almost 70, I look back and I say, I wish I had done that for her, because she wanted it, and she's pretty cool. So I talked for a while. I told a couple of different things. Nobody was listening. They weren't paying attention. They were doing the same thing. You know, they were doing these playful, joyful things with each other and. And a lot of chuckling and giggling. And then he just turns to me and he goes, okay, that's enough. Time to go back. And that floored me, that I was shocked at that. And I was like, go back. I go, no way. I cannot go back there. That you don't understand. That place is rough duty. And he's like, no, you got to go back. You got things to do, and. And you're going back. And as he came forward, you know, I pleaded. I told him I was almost 40. What good am I? You know, my life's pretty much over.

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I don't. There's not much I can do after 40, you know, and. And he laughed at that, just like you. And I said some other things. I said, hey, I got lots of friends, lots of bros, but the only people that are really going to get stung by me not coming back is my wife and my parents. But they are strong people. They will persevere. And he thought that was funny. And he said, okay, now you're going back. And he came forward, and the place just started to break up. It started to dematerialize. He evaporated in front of me, and the room came apart and I dropped in frequency and I dropped away, and I was on my way to another channel, another dimension, another stop. And it was a very. It was a drop in frequency.

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It didn't feel good as I was moving back to this place, and I got close to my body, and it was a dark place. It was lonely, it was dismal, and he didn't want to be there. And, you know, we talk about, you know, heaven and in between place and earth and then another place. And, you know, from what. From that experience, you know, I believe that other place is right close to where we are here in the physical. And I, you know, I think that's part of our, our thing where we need to navigate that successfully when we come out of our bodies. You know, that whole thing about the valley of the shadow of death without fear, we have to move through that into the higher planes. But anyway, I was back in my body and I was, I woke up a few times, four or five in the morning, and I was looking at the equipment and it was the vital signs, the things were improving with each round and, you know, they take your vitals and I could stay awake after a while, it was still dark out and I was looking around and the nurse came by and she was shocked. She's like, you're awake. And I'm like, yes, I am. I need to talk to you. And she said, well, I need to go tell a doctor. We've been worried all night. We didn't know what was going on with you, you know, what was, where this was going. And I said, okay, you can go get the doctor. But first, what am I doing back here? You know, I, I was pissed and I wanted to verbalize that, I guess. And I said I was home. I was home with my best bros. I was back where I belong. I had died. I had bought the farm. I was sure of it. And, and she had her hands on my shoulders and she was saying, it's just old nurse, you know, seen it all. And she goes, honey, you've been in escrow and, and you fell out of escrow and now you're back with us and you're going to have to get your head around that, you know, and she said it very, you know, genuinely. She sort of spoke to my soul and I never forgot that because I had just come back from this experience. And, you know, a lot of your guests will tell you that it's devastating and you know, they can go into depressions for months and years and you know, addiction can come with that. You, we are so cut off from what we really are here in, you know, in this illusionary, this journey.

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Bill Letson

Yeah, I had that concept in my conscious thoughts and, and it came forward. So.

Alex Ferrari

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Bill Letson

No, I, I have heard it. I had heard it, you know, like I said I would visit the woo woo section in the bookstore and stuff. So I did hear that before.

Alex Ferrari

Before the near death experience or after the near death experience?

Bill Letson

I was always kind of that way.

Alex Ferrari

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After it became more of a, you know, this is, this is real. These people aren't wasting their time with these, you know, accounts and stuff. There's, it's a real thing. We really don't know what we are.

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Alex Ferrari

Well, Bill, let me ask you because, I mean, I've, as you know, I've probably spoken to over a hundred near death experiencers at this point. You're the first who has given me the details you've given me with the little guys and the tall guy, I've heard before, it's versions of him. I never heard the version of the little guy before which these, these little guys who obviously look different than humans. They look, you know, weird considering, you know, comparing to us and our perception. So you're the first I've heard that from. But what I find interesting is that people going through dmt, their account is similar to your account, so it seems. And I've done a lot of research in psychedelics and it's almost like a shortcut. The DMT is a shortcut to go to where you went to. You did it the hard way. You had to die essentially to get there. But it's, it's really fascinating how, how the, your trip went. And I call it a trip because it wasn't a, it wasn't a rough exit or a rough entrance back. You just kind of like almost was very like, I'm out, I'm back in. I don't want to be here. It's, it's pretty fascinating. Is there any other details of the actual experience that you can give us did that. Was there. What did the room look like? What did you look like? Did you look at yourself? Anything like that?

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I did not look at myself. I just assumed I was me, but I don't know what they were looking at. They definitely were looking at something. And this whole thing with, you know, having eyes and speaking, I'm not so sure anybody was speaking anything. It was, you know, people say it's all telepathy and it's all absolute honest, open communication. So there wasn't really a, you know, gathering of your thoughts before you spoke. It just came out. If you thought it, you know, they heard it type of thing. So as far as details, you know, there's so I'll just, I'll say this. I believe that my near death experience was a kind of a tour. It was leaving the earth realm and kind of shooting through that heavenly realm and getting a feel for what we really are. These incredible beings, infinite eternal beings, incredibly powerful, incredibly wise and kind. And. And then there was a, you know, I left that heavenly realm, that heavenly dimension. And I was at this in between place. And if you see the movie Astral City, it's a story of this guy in Brazil who was a famous medium and he told this whole story of this Astral city where we, you know, there's a clinic, there's a rehab place. Everything is emotional trauma. Once we leave this place, that's what we're carrying. We're carrying feelings, you know, and the negative feelings need to be cleansed and healed. And so you'll go to this, this clinic and then you'll go back out into the city. And you know, John Davis has a. His nde. He talks about this tour of the city with these libraries and you know, and I had a medium contact me and she goes, oh, I know exactly where you were. The steps lead down to this grassy area and then you can go out into the city. And she's like, I'm there all the time. So she knows about this astral plane. And you know, it seems to be a recurring thing and you know, life is pretty good there and sounds like we're there, we're there to learn about this place. You know, there's all these different, like John Davis talks about, there's all these different aspects of learning. And then we come into lives and we forget absolutely everything about who we are and where we came from. And we have these lives and we learn from them. And then we go back.

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I think I. I think, you know, when. When he said you have to go back, you have things to do and they're important, and I think it's going on right now. You know, these. The last year and a half, these podcasts have gone crazy. You know, the number of people calling me that want to talk to me and stuff. You know, I was talking, I was telling my story. I got mixed up with the IONS groups and they were incredibly helpful and I'd go around and tell my story at their meetings all over the place. And that was very therapeutic for me. And. And then. And then this whole podcast thing came out of COVID and all of a sudden people are interested in nde. It's like taken off like wildfire. And, you know, I asked all you guys, I don't think I asked you before we started, but I asked everyone that I talked to what brought you to do these interviews and ask people about NDEs. And every one of them says, well, it's just really important thing. I need to do it. You know, it's coming from somewhere deep inside me. And, you know, that's. That's the divine hand in our earth plane, you know, sort of guiding the next step. You know, we all feel we're at a crossroads. Helping humanity with, you know, the changes that are coming in the coming centuries. And there is an awakening. There is, you know, this knowledge of what we really are is coming back into the light slowly. That's what I think. So. So how did you get interested?

Alex Ferrari

It's a long story. But the short version of it is that the reason I do the work is because my own personal curiosity on not just near death experiences, but the totality, the totality of all aspects of spirituality and of our spiritual growth. So that's why I talk to channelers and mediums and psychics and quantum physicists and you know, ancient civilization experts and all these different realms about all lead to the same thing. They all cross pollinate. And I think it's something that first interests me, but also I believe that it creates a tremendous amount of peace and comfort to a lot of people around the world. And that's one of the main reasons I do this. When I started it was curiosity and I was like, hey, maybe five people will listen, maybe 10 people listen, who knows? And now we're in the millions and growing and you're like, oh, this work is important. And you hear, you hear things back from people. You're like, you're changing my life. You know, I was atheist, now I'm not. It's part of what I'm supposed to be doing here for my personal journey. It is my, my purpose to do it here, to be this, this forum that I'm creating for people like yourself to come in and not only reach a few hundred people, but to reach millions of people who are very like minded and are curious about all of this. So that's the main reason I'm, I'm doing it. And I agree with everything you're saying as far as there is an awakening, we are being prepared for something in the future. And I think we're all kind of decompressing. Like we've been down in the, in the trench underwater and we're slowly coming up. Like if we go up too fast, we're going to get the bends. So this is the process, this is the process of, of this awakening. And five years ago this show wouldn't do as well as it did is doing now. Ten years ago would have barely had a crawl and let's not even say farther back. So there's a timing thing as well. You know, I started the show two years ago right in the, right towards the tail end of COVID you know, kind of like a little bit over. We were over halfway through with COVID when this started and it's, it's, you know, it's changed my life and I think it's changed the lives of millions of people around the world. So that's the short answer. The long answer is much longer. So Bill, let me ask you, let me Ask you something, Bill. You know, a lot of people who watch these or hear about these, you know, by the way, you stole the story, told the story, man. It sounds like a dream. I'm gonna be devil's advocate here for a second.

Bill Letson

Good man.

Alex Ferrari

It just sounds like a dream. You went, you what, you, you cogged out, you conked open, you had this really lucid dream and you think you went to the other side and it, I mean, it just sounds like a really lucid dream. What would you say to someone saying that to you?

Bill Letson

Well, I will say it to you because you just told me all about peace and comfort that you're bringing to millions. And the other side is nothing but love and kindness and patience and sweetness and all those rough emotions. They're here, but they don't go with us. So that, that other side, if you're ready to look, if you're ready to say, you know, what's going on here and, and how can I do better, then you'll start seeing, you know, the messages from guys like you.

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Alex Ferrari

Oh, yeah.

Bill Letson

If you, if your audience watches that movie Astral City, you'll be shocked at the parallels. You know, there's a heavenly realm, there's an in between, there's an Earth realm, there's a. There's a other place. And they're, they're all shown very clearly in that movie. And my. You're gonna love this. My story. I've just realized in the last couple of years that, you know, in the wizard of Oz, Dorothy lives in a black and white world, kind of drab, not a lot going on. Some mean people, you know, harming animals and things. And she gets caught up in the twister. She goes up in the cabin, something happens, a window comes off, hits her in the head, and she falls on the bed and she peels away. You know, this lighter version of her peels away and she's in a near death experience. And when the cabin lands, she opens the door and there's these beautiful giant colored flowers and these beautiful, you know, greens. It's. Everything's in full color. And there are these giggling munchkins that are hiding around in all this color and all this beauty. And they come forward to her in groups of three, you know, with the Lollipop Guild and, and those are my favorite. And you know, that they had that same sort of playful, joyful thing that the guys I saw. That was the feeling I got, you know, and then the little dancers and the politicians. And when she's ready, Linda comes. Linda shows up, arrives in a beautiful orb colors, and she's a. Has a beautiful soul and, you know, is interacting sweetly with Dorothy and gets her on the road, gets her on her journey. And Linda always shows up when Dorothy gets into trouble with the witch or whatever. Glinda shows up along the way. And Dorothy gets these three characters that she. That travel with her. The straw man looking for a brain and the Tin man looking for a heart, and the lion looking for courage. And the story I get is that story that comes clearly to me is that when we learn to use our right brain and reconnect with the divine of sweetness and kindness, you know, live our life from that divine mind and make every decision from the intelligence of the heart and to move forward without fear, with courage, then we get to go home. And there's no place like home.

Alex Ferrari

And the powers. And the power is always within you. She always had the power to go home whenever she wanted to.

Bill Letson

Right on, Alex. Isn't that awesome?

Alex Ferrari

That is. That's a really great analogy for that movie. And, you know, I always. I always find it fascinating. This is one of my. I love talking about this subject is media in general. Stories, movies, books, they show up and move humanity forward in a way. So when H.G. wells started doing his books, the concepts that he talked about in those books, which did not exist prior to him, you know, 60 years later, we're on the moon. You know, we have a space program, we have other things like that. All of these, because they were inspired by those stories. How many scientists and quantum physicists have we been inspired by Star wars or Star Trek or the Matrix? We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor.

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these kind of films that really open up our, our mind. Like a movie like the Matrix could not have come out in 1939 when wizard of Oz came out, not only for the technical limitations, but the story would have been just so beyond anybody's comprehension. But I mean, H.G. wells was pretty much beyond anybody's comprehension when it came out. But when the, the right time is right, these stories find their way into the Zeitgeist. And now more than now, had a guest the other day say, Marvel's doing a great job with the multiverse. The idea of the multiverse, multiple dimensions, parallel realities, that's in the Zeitgeist. Now these are con, like, you know, very common phrases which before were talked only by, you know, dark cornered quantum physicists in a, in a party somewhere who the other quantum physicists looked at like, oh God, he's talking about the multiverse again. Kind of. And this stuff. So it's pretty, it's pretty fascinating how this is all starting to unravel and shows like this, these ideas are being shown to millions now.

Bill Letson

Yeah, yeah, I'm glad you went that full circle because it comes all the way back to right now, what we're seeing with the podcasts and that inspiration. You know, Hollywood isn't some dark boogeyman that's putting these movies out that, you know, this inspiration is coming, I think from divine Source. And just like you deciding, hey, I'm going to put together this whole thing with this podcast and this is Going to be the format, you know, HG well said. You know, I'm going to write this book and this is where it's going to go. And it, you know, for your guests, you know, that there is a divine angels and guides and ancestors. They're all around us all the time, and we're being nudged and everything is in wonderful hands. And like you said, the next goal is us understanding that there are, you know, these incredible dimensions. They're just a frequency away and they're all around us. And we're not alone in the universe. Like, you know, the mainstream says quite the contrary. It's a incredible universe full of, you know, diverse life.

Alex Ferrari

You, when you kind of came out of your near death experience, when you came out of where you were sick, you know, you became better. It sounded like the moment you came out, you started talking about this is what you said. You told anybody who would listen, you went back and told the boys, everybody, hey, this is what happened. So you weren't ever, quote, unquote, in this. In the closet, the NDE closet is what I like to call it. You came out really quickly, but then you got shoved back in to the closet for 15 years because your surrounding world, maybe some accepted it, but many didn't. And if you were to keep your job, you needed to shut your hole or else it just wasn't going to happen. And I, you know what, when I heard that, I was like, there's a bunch of, you know, broly, you know, barely burly firefighters, you know, a lot of testosterone in the room. I can't be hearing about short little guys. You know, I, that's not my, I can't. I get it, I get it. But when you got kind of pushed back into that closet and it sounds like it was self imposed, you shut the door and you were there for 15 years quietly dealing with this. How did you deal with it psychologically? Because there's so many near death experiences. I speak to who suffered so much by not being able to share their stories. And then what was it that got you out of that closet?

Bill Letson

Well, I think that these are great, great questions. I think that deep down inside I wasn't taking Bill seriously anymore because I was, I'd seen life without him and I was still me. And, you know, I wasn't too proud of a lot of parts of him. And I definitely didn't like the whole human being thing. The whole, you know, we're in constant judgment, we have all these bias and we got to be right. And, you know, all that stuff dropped away. And so, yeah, I didn't take Bill too seriously, and I. I stopped. I didn't react to the situation here, that, yeah, the nd ears are kooks, you know, and I was at the top of the kook pile with my story, and so I left it alone. And, you know, thankfully it came, you know, with Straussman's book, and some of the things I did came roaring back and. And here we are today.

Alex Ferrari

So what was there. Was there a catalyst for you to say I need to start telling my story? What was the catalyst for that?

Bill Letson

Yeah, I was. I was a happy retiree, riding bikes and playing in bands and running trails with my dogs. And all of a sudden, the Straussman video showed up. And then I bought the book. And when I got to chapter 13 and 14 and saw those little guys described and the feelings that his volunteers had for these guys, I. I put the book down and I walked around for a week going, what is going on in this place? You know, I. I had my funny little thing that happened. But he can reproduce this with this dmt. He's reproducing. You know, they're going to this facility. They're seeing these beings. And I remember after I read the book a couple times, I sat down and. And I go, this is the most significant book that's probably been written in the last 10,000 years. Because it. I think you said earlier that, you know, there is a doorway and people can go through it. I don't recommend it because, you know, I've done the ayahuasca thing, and it's. You know, that can be a brutalizing night because you're trying to escape this earthly self's opinion. And, you know, it may take hours for you to surrender to the softer voice that. That other you that's waiting for you to figure him out.

Alex Ferrari

It sounds. From my experience with. From studying and speaking to people who've taken psychedelics, I've never partaken, but from what I understand, it can be a very violent journey from this point to the other. Whereas when I've spoken to yogis and gurus and swamis from India or from. From other parts, the way they present it is like. Well, if you do it this way, it's a very. You don't get the bends. It's a very slow. You're decompressing over years to be able to. Then once you get to where you're going, jump in and out whenever you want. That's when you start becoming. Your vibration gets higher frequency Gets higher. But this, this, these psychedelics, they'll run you through. But it's again, I've said this before on the show, and I'll say it again is one of the great quotes from the Maharishi who said, what do you think about these? Kind of. Because it was a 60s, so you know, everything was going around the psychedelic psilocybin and all that stuff, acid and stuff. And he's like, well, taking acid or psilocybin is kind of like taking a sledgehammer to a wall to get the sunlight to come in, where meditation is placing a window in that wall. And I was like, that, that sounds, that sounds right. Because it's. And what you're saying too, it's like, it is pretty violent and you're kind of like almost being yanked. Like, oh yeah, you're doing something someone else, another yogi told me is like you're going into a room that you weren't invited into.

Bill Letson

That's right, right.

Alex Ferrari

It's like you, yeah, you weren't, you were invited into it because you died and came back. Which also, to be fair, can be a violent situation. I've had many on the show and you said something really interesting. You said that you were on the top of pile. To be fair, Bill, your story is a little bit more out, if it is even possible, a little bit more outside the norm of a near death experience that I've, I mean, I've again spoken to over 100 now. I mean, Jesus didn't show up. You know, you didn't have a traditional life review. But the thing that I find fascinating. We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor.

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And now back to the show. Is that your experience and every near death experience that I've had, that I've spoken to one point or another all say something similar. There's nothing but love, there's nothing but peace. The characters might change in that story, but that is always the over. And they all come back different. They all come back changed. And yeah, there are some that go through a hellish experience and they later tell me that like I had to because I was Catholic. I had to go through that because I felt that I needed to go through that in order to find the pearly gates. It's it, it. But I wanted to kind of put that out there for people because your story is like these little guys. I'm like, okay, great, who are these little guys? What's going on? I've never heard of them. But yet everything sounds, there's a familiarity to it all. From every, from my experience from this point of view, sir.

Bill Letson

That's cool. That's cool to hear. You're the man.

Alex Ferrari

So let me ask you, how did your family deal with this? I mean, because there's one thing that stopped telling you bros. But when you're, you know, like your wife, your parents, you know, and people really close to you, was it something that was just not talked about or what?

Bill Letson

My, my family wasn't, you know, my mom and dad, sisters and stuff they. That's who wasn't going to be talked about. And they're all wonderful people and stuff, but there was nowhere to go with it. And my wife, over the years, like, you know, I would wake up giggling and talking in some nonsensical language and, and laughing, and she would go, what is going on with you? With. With this, you know, you're talking to somebody, and I'm like, there's like these guys, I really can't see them, but they're right nearby. And, you know, in that sweet spot, sleeping and dreaming and waking, that connection to the divine, these guys are around. And so she knew something was real. And, you know, I. I really didn't run off the rails too many times in our 50 years together. So she knew that this was a real thing that was part of me. And, you know, every. Back in the day, every few years, in order to help out, I would like. One time we. She had this robe, and I said, that robe, you look exactly. With that light. You know, you're silhouetted. You look exactly like those guys. And so we set it up. There was a light curtain. And then so I took three pictures of her and, you know, and we put them all together and one of them was turning to the other two, and I'm like, that's. That's what I saw. You know, this was 20 years ago or more. And so that picture hung around for a long time. And, you know, she's been supportive, cooperative, entertained by it.

Alex Ferrari

Do you. Do you still. Do you dream about them or do you meditate or do you see them? Other. Like, if you're, if you do meditate, do you see them in the meditations? Do you dream and do they come back and talk to you? How. Do you still have communications with them?

Bill Letson

Not with them specifically, but, you know, this meditation thing. Well, you were talking about the power of that. That cannot be overstated. If you sit quietly in nature and still yourself and quiet your mind, you know, plus, raise your frequency with how you eat and how you think, and that veil can disappear for everyone. We can move into those other realms or experience them. And when I, you know, I sit in the recliner over there, you know, I old guy. So I need a couple naps a day and just let go. And, you know, the vibrations start. You know, my right side of my head starts to vibrate and tingle, and then this area gets very heavy and sleepy and, you know, and then this. These vibrations start and, you know, you start to move out, seemingly out of your body or inward or Something, but there's lots of colors around and then I push through that and then you can go to the grids and then they go past the grids and then there are these light forms, you know, that are in the room. These, you know, energetic beings of light. Our ancestors, our friends, they're all, they're around all of us all the time. And if you quiet the beast adequately, you can, you know, you can reconnect with who you really are.

Alex Ferrari

You said something interesting and I'd love for you to just to tell me what you're doing in that sense when you're saying, raise your vibration, raise your frequency with meditation, which I've experienced that myself in my own meditation practice. But you said something, eat the right foods to raise your vibration as well. I also have experienced that as well. Can you, can I explain, can you explain to the audience what you've been doing and what kind of foods? Because I'll, I'll tack on afterwards, but I want to hear your point of view of what foods and things you're doing to kind of raise your vibration and get closer to this stuff that we're talking about.

Bill Letson

Yeah, when in 2011, 2012, you asked me earlier about what was going on, but I, I started going to Costa Rica, just getting on a plane and going to Costa Rica and driving around. And it went on for three or four years. I'd get away for a couple of weeks or a few months and the roads turned into dirt roads turned into trails, and I started being around people who lived in villages, communes, and they did a lot of stuff with silence. It was part of the village. Intention was part of the village. The food was all food that's full of light, you know, greens and vegetables and fruits and, you know, the water was water that fell to the earth and ran along Mother Earth's magnetic love and became structured water. And that's a huge part of it because we're mostly water to, to drink that structured water. And when you start following those things, I noticed with my trips, one of the trips, something opened and I started seeing this energy climbing the walls, this bluish light. And it was on like a 5 second repeat cycle. And I'd look in the sky and I'd see like the aurora borealis. I'd see purple and green, swirling, powerful energy. And, you know, that's when you watch murmurations of birds and schooling fish. And the experts can't tell you, what are they, what are they doing? How are they all making the same move? Well, they're, they're tied into that energy that's around all of us. This powerful energy. It's purple and green with the aurora borealis. If you look at the chakras, that's, you know, that is divine love. That is divine love coming down and organizing the play, the movie that we're in. These gravitational waves, it's all real. But yeah, that opened, I started seeing people's faces would change, past lives would come up, animated characters talking, smiling. You know, this shocked everybody down in that, in that village because how can this fireman who just showed up to this lifestyle have these amazing experiences? But you know, again, I think that was just my path and I somehow honored it and I found my way to these, to these experiences. And it had everything to do with, and a lot of things like negative emotions. Like the guy that cuts you off on the roadway, just let him go, let him go. He got enough troubles. And you know, the lady that bumps you with the shopping cart or something, just back off and say, you know, hello madam, I hope you have a nice day. And whatever. It just separate yourself from those low emotions that we have here and you'll start returning to your real self. You'll, you can live a heaven on earth life. And you know, the Kundalini starts to move and then everything changes.

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And that's a whole other podcast for a whole other day when we start talking about Kundalini energy and, and all of that. There's, I've spoken about it many times, if anyone's curious about it. They could just go into the archives and look for the word Kundalini because that is a part of this process.

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Yeah, it's very real.

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Yeah. As you're, as you're elevating and, and elevating your vibration to a higher frequency, your Kundalini energy starts to open up more and more and more. And we'll be right back after a word from our sponsor.

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Alex Ferrari

And now back to the show. And yeah, you know, eating foods that are alive, vibrant, those things. I mean, you, you listen to the yogis. You know, they're not eating McDonald's. You know, generally speaking, they're not eating that kind of food. They're eating things that are alive and fresh. And, and, and it helps with. Because what you put into your body also has an energetic signature to it. So if you're eating things that are low energy, your energy drops. When you eat things are high, it drops. That's why when I used to eat a, a nice burger at In N Out, it tasted good going in and not so much about 20 minutes, 30 minutes later, I was just like.

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You feel like that's true. That's, that's me too. It's almost like a rejection.

Alex Ferrari

Yeah, yeah. Your body's just like, oh, I gotta process all of it. And you just get so tired and you're just like. But then you eat something that's, you know, a little bit more alive and you, you bounce It. You're bouncing and you're jumping and you're. And your energy level is different. So, you know, everything is energy. No, no question. Everything is energy. Everything is frequency. And the more I talk to people like yourself and, you know, quantum physicists from Yale and Harvard and Oxford and all over the world and start talking about these kind of ideas. It's just so fascinating how the old, you know, ancient text and the new, you know, quantum physics and those kind of. Those kind of principles are starting to match up. And we're having the open conversations about it in public for anybody in the world to watch whenever they want. So it is. It's a really interesting time to be alive, Bill. That's for sure.

Bill Letson

Yeah, it is. It is that the ancient knowledge is. Is coming back. And you know, that the conference on procession and ancient knowledge, that's next week down in Palm Springs. That's a good one. I mean, Graham Hancock will be there and Robert Grant. These. These guys, if you're. If you're paying attention, you know, if. If you're drawn to them, you can get a lot of answers about, you know, how things are going here and this whole cycle of how we're gonna. How we're climbing back to a golden age, and, you know, there's nothing to be fearful of at all.

Alex Ferrari

Agreed? Agreed. Now, I'm gonna. I'm gonna ask you a few questions to ask all of my guests. What is your definition of living a fulfilled life?

Bill Letson

A fulfilled life is, for me, is to look upon all life, all others, as the divine being that they really are, that they're having this earthly experiencing experience. We're all having it together. And to be kind to somebody else's experience, help where you can. And, you know, I did it with my whole life with the firefighter thing, the service to others, and, I mean, you just. Life is just a blast when you're in service to others and you have this reverence and respect for all life forms. You know, trees and rocks, even.

Alex Ferrari

This is.

Bill Letson

This. This is a beautiful gift. And, yeah, the human thing is a. It's a. It's kind of a big false narrative, you know, that we got to get the job and the girl and the car, and. It's a false narrative.

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Yeah, it's a. It is. It is a. It's a video game. But you can't. You can't take seriously that you're Mario and there's really no Donkey Kong coming after you. Now, if you had a chance to go back in time and talk to little Bill what advice would you give him?

Bill Letson

Keep going strong, bro. You know, I think that I, you have to look and say that the path was, you know, divinely scripted. You know, when you watch that, talking about movies, you watch that movie, the Adjustment Bureau, that we have a path and, you know, we may not intersect with a big challenge, but it'll come again. So I would, you know, be tempted to tell Little Bill, hey, you got, there's something going on with you. A near death experience is an invitation. And it's an invitation to a soul that has, you know, I don't know, picked up some mileage, picked up some energy that's positive. And so I'd be tempted to tell Little Bill, hey, you, you got something. There's something special about you. Get a little more serious about the meditation. And there's people that sit quietly and look at the world differently and slow down because, you know, for 30 years I was doing Ironmans and you know, all the training that, you know, I was constantly churning. Swimming at 5am and running at lunch and bicycling after work, and I was constantly churning. And I, I had my chart read once and it, it said, you have this incredible amount of cosmic energy in your chart. You've got like this cosmic triangle. And I said, well, that explains why, you know, I'm 65 years old and I'm running for an hour and a

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when most of my friends are like, dude, I can't even get out of the recliner. And so, yeah, that energy was there, but I don't know, maybe Little Bill could have directed it towards things like, you know, you looked into early in life.

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Now, how do you define God or source?

Bill Letson

Source energy. You know, I think that big ball of fire in the sky is a lot closer to source than we've been led to believe. You know, there's a book, the Real History of the World, and he says that that big ball of, that the sun in the sky is really a doorway. It's a portal back to where we really come from. And it, you know, it comes by, it passes by every day and the plants grow and we get wood from it and we can stay warm while it's not here. And, you know, everything goes back. When we talk about source, everything goes back to that big ball of fire in the sky. And without it, everything ceases here. So, yeah, it's that and it's all those other things just this expanded that we're all part of.

Alex Ferrari

And what is the ultimate purpose of life?

Bill Letson

The ultimate purpose of life is to Be kind and to help others. And when your parents get older,

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know, drop everything you want to do, even though you're young and healthy and be there for them. Most of us don't. You know, my mom went through this place and I was the only. There was 80 people in there and I was the only one that was there every day they come on the weekends or holidays and stuff, but you know that walk your ancestors home.

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Beautiful. That's beautiful. Beautiful. And where can people find out more about you and the work that you're

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Bill Letson

I'm not really out there. They can email me. That's, you know, I'm b letson56gmail.com but I don't have a website or anything like that.

Alex Ferrari

So you're not selling a book. Everyone always says, ah, they're just doing this to sell books. You're not doing sell books. So. Not that, not that you get rich by selling books, by the way. I don't know about you.

Bill Letson

No, you don't, you don't. And, and I, and you know, we're programmed to believe that, that we are, you know, that is, something has value then it has monetary value. And if you sell a lot of it, then you're a best seller and now you're, you have more value and important. Yeah, and that's. I stay away from it. I stay away from any bucks coming my way. And you know, Jesus, there's only one time Jesus got pissed off and he, he went back to Jerusalem. Jerusalem with his followers, went into the temple and there was all this stuff, people selling things, and he flipped out. He turned the tables over and you know, he lost his cool because there was money changers in the temple. And you know, we're not, we're not supposed to be doing this. This is, this, this life here on earth is a temporary gig. It's over in a few heart. It's over in a few heartbeats. You know, I was 15 two weeks ago.

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Oh, me too, brother. Me too. I was just sitting down watching Saturday morning cartoons. Just yesterday though. I completely understand what you're saying. And do you have any party messages for the audience? Bill, we'll be right back after a word from our sponsor.

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Bill Letson

Yeah, the, the NDE thing is popular right now. And you know, we're all celebrities apparently and, but we're really not special. We're, we're not. There's nothing special or unique about us. We, we just had an NDE and we somehow remembered it. And you know, the, in the, so the, the NDE and the drinking, the ayahuasca and the deep trance like meditation, these things can take you out of the illusion of this world and back to who you really are. NDE is kind of out of the question. And the ayahuasca, that's sort of a forced NDE to be honest with you. And you know, it leaves the meditation is sit quietly and take care of your body and you can reconnect with who we really are.

Alex Ferrari

Bill, I appreciate you coming on the show and sharing your amazing story and wisdom that you've picked up along the way in this life. So I appreciate you my friend. Thank you again so much.

Bill Letson

I appreciate you Alex. Thanks very much.

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