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Jenna Fisher

Hello and welcome to our second drink of blood Drive. In this episode we get to hear from Katie Aselton, who played the adorable gal in the Bloodmobile with Michael. And we got some really great behind the scenes tidbits from producer Randy Cordray.

Angela Kinsey

All right, well, let's start with this question from Romano H from Northridge, California. Hi Angela and Jenna. I was watching the Superfan version of Blood Drive and Phyllis talks about how she won't let Bob send her flowers to work on Valentine's Day. It was so funny. Were there any alts for it? Okay, first of all, don't you just love that people like Jenna, they just know the language of the show? They're like, were there alts? Yes, they know Candy bag. All of it.

Jenna Fisher

You started background catch, which we get in letters. I love it.

Angela Kinsey

I love it, too. Well, Romano, thank you so much for writing in. You know, I hadn't seen the superfan version of this episode, but after reading your question, I went and watched this talking head specifically. It's super funny, and I actually want to hear it. And then we're going to discuss. Okay, I learned my lesson years ago. No flowers on Valentine's Day. This place is full of player haters.

Jenna Fisher

Oh, my gosh. It's so funny because, yes, there's that Valentine's Day episode where flowers just keep coming to Phyllis.

Angela Kinsey

Yeah. And everyone gets really pissed at her. Okay, well, Romano, to answer your question, that talking head that's been added back into the superfan was actually the one and only candy bag alt that they wrote for Phyllis, and they picked it over the written one. Here's how it was scripted. Phyllis, talking head about flowers. I learned my lesson years ago. No flowers on Valentine's. Not around here. Too much hate. It's no wonder they're all alone.

Jenna Fisher

Oh, so same idea, different spin.

Angela Kinsey

Same idea. But maybe they went with the less snarky one.

Jenna Fisher

Well, we also got this question from Natasha. S in India who said, was there an alternate storyline where Michael unexpectedly meets the girl from the blood drive? Like, was there gonna be a happy ending, basically?

Katie Aselton

I don't know.

Angela Kinsey

I. I mean, I was so hopeful for that, but yeah.

Jenna Fisher

Well, Natasha, I went and looked at our table draft from this episode. You know, I wanted to see, like, was that ever a possibility? This is the earliest draft we have of this storyline. And from the very beginning, it just ended with everyone walking out with Michael at the end of the day. And the girl from the blood drive never does come back. Here's how it read in the script. Exterior, Dunder Mifflin, parking lot, end of day. They all come out of the office together surrounding Michael, who has a little smile. They say goodbye to each other and head to their cars. And then Michael has this sort of hopeful talking head as everybody walks out. And we didn't play it in our original breakdown, but I think we should hear it. Four months ago, I dated a woman named Holly, and this is actually the first time that I've even considered getting

Angela Kinsey

back into that arena again. You know what?

Jenna Fisher

Sometimes it's not about whether Cinderella gets her slipper back, but it's about the fact that the prince even picked up the slipper at all.

Angela Kinsey

There's a lot of princesses out there.

Jenna Fisher

You know, they have all different sizes and shapes of feet and hands.

Angela Kinsey

So I think. I think my odds are pretty good.

Jenna Fisher

Oh, my God, that's so sweet.

Angela Kinsey

I know, isn't it? And everyone stayed late and all walked out with them. It's actually really sweet. Well, people also wrote in because, Jenna, they loved your fast facts, Nicole, about

Jenna Fisher

the blood transfusions and stuff. I really loved researching that.

Angela Kinsey

Yeah, I think people learned a lot about you, too. You'll see. Nicole M. Said. Hi, Jenna. I also love the book the Immortal Life of Henrietta Lacks. And I saw her portrait while I was in Washington, D.C. so I looked this up online, Jenna, and it's a beautiful portrait. And I guess you can see it. Here's what it said on the website. It said, the Smithsonian National Portrait Gallery recognized the life of Henrietta Lacks when with the installation of a 2017 portrait by Kadir Nelson. It was jointly acquired by the National Portrait Gallery and the Smithsonian's National Museum of African American History and Culture and is shared by the two museums. And Nicole goes on to say, I also found a great article about Dr. Charles Drew on the National Museum of African American History and Culture website. It's titled the Color of Blood. Thank you so much for sharing about their legacies.

Jenna Fisher

Oh, my gosh. Well, I love that. And I'm gonna have to look up that portrait. And I can't tell you how many times I think back on that book. It's such a powerful story. I highly recommend it.

Angela Kinsey

Okay, well, I'm not done with you, lady, because you also got another book recommendation based off of your fast fact. Mary F. Said, I have a book recommendation for Jenna about the first blood transfusion of the 15 year old boy she mentions in this episode. It's titled A Tale of Medicine and Murder in the Scientific Revolution by Holly Tucker. And it's really good.

Jenna Fisher

Oh, my goodness. Okay.

Angela Kinsey

Okay. And lastly, Lamia wants you to know that in Saudi Arabia, they have their blood type on their driver's license.

Jenna Fisher

Yes, we said that that should be a thing.

Angela Kinsey

Yeah, well, there's other countries that are already doing it.

Jenna Fisher

Well, you know what hasn't happened since the first time this episode aired? I never did figure out my blood type.

Angela Kinsey

Oh, Jenna.

Jenna Fisher

I know. I said I was gonna and I didn't do it. This is my reminder.

Angela Kinsey

Okay, well, to wrap up this episode, I Did wanna point out a little fan mail flurry about something I said and this cracked me up. A few people pointed it out. Ivana said, lol. Angela saying she might get a word or two wrong in common phrases. And then five minutes later says, flash from the past instead of blast from the past. That amused me greatly.

Jenna Fisher

That's very funny.

Angela Kinsey

I mean, a flash, a blast. They're both like pops of light, aren't they?

Jenna Fisher

They're from the past. That's the important part.

Angela Kinsey

But anyway, I loved it. And I'll continue saying things wrong, you guys. Don't you worry.

Jenna Fisher

All right, everyone, enjoy your second drink of blood Drive. I'm Jenna Fisher.

Angela Kinsey

And I'm Angela Kinsey.

Jenna Fisher

We were on the Office together and we're best friends. And now we're doing the ultimate Office Rewatch podcast just for you.

Angela Kinsey

Each week we will break down an episode of the Office and give exclusive behind the scenes stories that only two people who were there can tell you.

Jenna Fisher

We're the Office ladies. Hello, Angela.

Angela Kinsey

Hi, Jenna.

Jenna Fisher

I feel like we're both full of beans today.

Angela Kinsey

Full of beans? Does that mean full of energy? Oh, gassy beans, I guess.

Jenna Fisher

I mean, we're not gassy. I'm not gassy. Well, I do have hot feet today, though. My feet are very warm.

Angela Kinsey

I don't get hot feet. My feet are always cold.

Jenna Fisher

I bought a new pair of shoes. I love them. Look at them. Look how cute they are.

Angela Kinsey

Oh, they're so cute.

Jenna Fisher

Right? But they have like a Sherpa lining in them.

Angela Kinsey

Why, if you have a tendency for hot feet, would you get shoes with Sherpa?

Jenna Fisher

I don't have a tendency for hot feet. I have a tendency for cold feet. But it's a 90 degree day today. But I wanted to wear them because they're so cute. Here's the other thing. They're a half size too big because they only come in full sizes. So I have to wear a thick sock with a Sherpa lining on a 90 degree day. I've got hot feet.

Angela Kinsey

All for fashion, y'. All. All for fashion. Well, you know me, I know you. Listen, when you look up. Fashion, athletic. Fashion, fashion and athletic.

Jenna Fisher

It's me, it's you. And this shoe is a fashion athletic shoe.

Angela Kinsey

You know what? I'm gonna take a picture of it. It's high fashion.

Jenna Fisher

All right, today we're talking about blood Drive. Season 5, episode 18, written by Brent Forrester and directed by Randall Einhorn.

Angela Kinsey

It's Valentine's Day.

Jenna Fisher

Yeah, this was our Valentine's Day episode. It was also the 90th episode of the Office. Wow, that's not even a fast fact. I haven't even gotten to fast facts yet.

Angela Kinsey

Do you have a lot of fast facts? I feel like this means you have a lot of fast facts.

Jenna Fisher

I have a fun fast fact.

Angela Kinsey

What is it?

Jenna Fisher

Well, let's do a summary first. You know, I have to go in order, ladies.

Angela Kinsey

Oh, okay.

Jenna Fisher

Okay. It is Valentine's Day, and there is a blood drive taking place in the parking lot of the Scranton Business Park. Work. Michael meets a young woman while giving blood, but he passes out before he can get her name and phone number. So he decides to throw a lonely hearts party for the office.

Angela Kinsey

Well, he's grumpy because he's single and, you know, he doesn't want to celebrate Valentine's Day.

Jenna Fisher

He doesn't. And he certainly doesn't need Jim and Pam and Phyllis and Bob rubbing their couple's lunch in his face.

Angela Kinsey

Their couple's love in his face. I don't need love in my face today. That's what Michael was saying. Not me. I want love in my face. What?

Jenna Fisher

I don't know. Okay, fast fact number one.

Angela Kinsey

What? You look so excited. Are you still laughing about love in my face?

Jenna Fisher

I am.

Angela Kinsey

Okay, what's fast fact number one?

Jenna Fisher

Fast fact number one are some facts about our bloodmobile.

Angela Kinsey

Okay.

Jenna Fisher

That was in our parking lot.

Angela Kinsey

It reminded me a little bit of like the work bus. Bus? Yeah. Do they have one bus they just trick out for everything?

Jenna Fisher

No, ma'. Am.

Angela Kinsey

Oh.

Jenna Fisher

Randy Cordray told me we used a real blood mobile from the Providence St. Joseph's Hospital in Burbank. We had it for three days. So on Monday, the set dressers went in and they turned it into kind of a more generic looking blood mobile for our purposes. On Tuesday, we did all of our scenes inside the bloodmobile. And on Wednesday, it was staffed with actual nurses and anyone in the cast and crew could actually donate blood.

Angela Kinsey

I remember that because everyone was walking around with a little sticker that said, I gave blood and I didn't have one. I felt a little shame.

Jenna Fisher

I was on location that day. That's the day we shot the restaurant stuff. So I didn't get to give blood that day either.

Angela Kinsey

Well, I went to give blood and

Jenna Fisher

they turned me away because of your tininess and your.

Angela Kinsey

Because you have to weigh at least £110 to give blood. It's true. So they turned me away.

Sam (Audio Engineer)

What?

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Angela Kinsey

That's a fact.

Jenna Fisher

I know. Okay, it's true. No, that is true.

Angela Kinsey

It is True.

Jenna Fisher

I've never been turned away from giving blood.

Angela Kinsey

Well, I still.

Jenna Fisher

I'm a hearty lady.

Angela Kinsey

You're not hardy.

Jenna Fisher

Yes, I am.

Angela Kinsey

You're what the kids call thick. T H I C C. By the way, I'm only saying that because someone wrote in one of my comments on Instagram, oh, Angela is thick. And I had to Google it. I think it's a good thing, lady. I think it means we got a little junk in our trunk, but in all the right places.

Jenna Fisher

Okay, well, then I'll take it as a compliment.

Angela Kinsey

Well, according to Urban Dictionary, it's a good thing.

Jenna Fisher

Good.

Angela Kinsey

Yeah.

Jenna Fisher

All right, now it's fast fact number two. And I'm just so excited, lady.

Angela Kinsey

Okay.

Jenna Fisher

Because I looked up the history of blood drives and bloodmobiles.

Angela Kinsey

You guys, I want you to know, a few days ago, Jenna texted me and was like, I'm really excited about my fast fact number two. And I was like, okay, here's the thing.

Jenna Fisher

I'm a little bit of. Kind of a science nerd.

Angela Kinsey

You are.

Jenna Fisher

Like, my favorite book that I read in the last two years is this book called the Immortal Life of Henrietta Lacks. Do you know what it's about?

Angela Kinsey

I have no idea.

Jenna Fisher

Okay, this woman, in 1951, she had a cancer surgery, and they took some of her cells. This was, like, a thing where, like, you donate. I'm putting that in quotes. Your cells for medical research, but it's without your consent. Well, anyway, this woman's cells were so hardy. They are, like, the basis of all of the most important medical research to this day. Like, her cells are why we have a pol. And it's amazing.

Angela Kinsey

She's, like, superhuman.

Jenna Fisher

It's just like her contribution to science is overwhelming, and yet her descendants and her family have never been compensated.

Angela Kinsey

Oh.

Jenna Fisher

And so the book is fascinating, and my research into blood drives and bloodmobiles, it touches on that same part of me that is just fascinated by, like, medical discoveries. So are you ready?

Angela Kinsey

I wish you could see Jenna right now, you guys. She is so, so animated. Her hands are moving. Like, she's bending her fingers, and she's pointing, and then she's reaching to the sky. Go.

Jenna Fisher

So in order to talk about blood banking and blood mobiles, we kind of have to start with people's fascination with the idea that blood carries disease.

Angela Kinsey

Okay.

Jenna Fisher

Now, this goes back to the Egyptians. They would do that thing where you would cut yourself and let yourself bleed out your sickness.

Angela Kinsey

Okay.

Jenna Fisher

Okay. So it's like they're on the right track. Like, yes, your blood can have things in it that are making you sick. But this is not the solution. Right? Right.

Angela Kinsey

Right.

Jenna Fisher

So right idea, wrong solution.

Angela Kinsey

Wrong solution. I feel like there was like a little House on the prairie where they put a bunch of. What are those things in the Leeches. Leeches all over someone to bleed them out.

Jenna Fisher

Same idea.

Angela Kinsey

Okay.

Jenna Fisher

Okay. So then someone got the idea that what you need is you need, like to give the person with the sick blood, healthy blood. A blood transfusion.

Angela Kinsey

Yeah.

Jenna Fisher

Okay. The first attempted blood transfusion that I could find dates back to 1492.

Angela Kinsey

Warning.

Jenna Fisher

It's a bit morbid.

Angela Kinsey

Okay.

Jenna Fisher

Pope Innocent VIII, okay. Was going into a coma. So they took the blood of three 10 year old boys and they put it in the Pope's mouth as a transfusion. But all of them died. The Pope and the boys?

Angela Kinsey

Yeah.

Jenna Fisher

Yeah.

Angela Kinsey

Oh, man. Well, that is gruesome.

Jenna Fisher

Very gruesome.

Angela Kinsey

Barbaric.

Jenna Fisher

Yes.

Angela Kinsey

Slightly scary. Might haunt me. Continue.

Jenna Fisher

I'm very sorry. Okay. The first sort of successful blood transfusion was in France in 1667. King Louis XIV doctor took the blood out of a sheep and he put it into a 15 year old boy who survived.

Angela Kinsey

Now why was the boy sick? Or was this just an experiment?

Jenna Fisher

I think he needed it.

Angela Kinsey

Okay.

Jenna Fisher

I think it was a medical emergency. And they were like, let's try this. Okay. I'm not 100% sure. I probably should have given the disclaimer that this is another segment of a lady who Googles.

Angela Kinsey

Okay, okay, okay.

Jenna Fisher

Four to five articles. So then we had a lot of general blood science discovery that happened in the early 1900s. Like we discovered that there are four main blood types. Right. They figured out how to match people together. A donor and a recipient of blood.

Angela Kinsey

Do you know your blood type?

Jenna Fisher

I don't. I should know because they told me when I had my kids.

Angela Kinsey

So when I had Isabelle, I found out I was a positive. And so is she and so is my mom. Hey, we're all a positive.

Jenna Fisher

I always think to myself, oh, remember to look that up. So you know your blood type.

Angela Kinsey

Oh, yeah. It's so fascinating. Okay, go.

Jenna Fisher

I think we should put that on our driver's licenses. Our blood type.

Angela Kinsey

Yeah, I think that would be smart.

Jenna Fisher

I think that's a good idea. So anyway, I'm so sorry. I hope you're interested in this history. I find it fascinating. Stay with me. So now we're going to go to Russia. Okay. Okay. And this doctor in Russia realizes what I need to do is take blood from one person to another person. And so they would do these Person to person transfusions.

Katie Aselton

Okay.

Jenna Fisher

The problem is that it was really hard to get a giver to a recipient in time. Like the convenience. Right, right, right. So that was working. Person to person blood transfusions were working. It was great. But there was a time factor and there was like a convenience factor. That is when a doctor in Chicago named Bernard Fantas had the idea of getting donors and storing their blood. And this was possible because they learned there was something you could add to blood to keep it from clotting.

Angela Kinsey

Okay.

Jenna Fisher

So now blood storage was possible. And they believe that Bernard Fantas is credited with creating the first blood bank.

Angela Kinsey

Okay, go, Bernard.

Jenna Fisher

But perhaps the most important contributor to live donor blood drives was Dr. Charles Drew. Remember this name.

Angela Kinsey

Okay. Dr. Charles Drew.

Jenna Fisher

He was an American surgeon and medical researcher. He dedicated his life to researching and improving the techniques for blood storage and blood transfusions. His research is what has contributed to the creation of large scale blood banks. They are the reason why the American Red Cross was able to collect more than 13 million pints of blood during World War II. And it also appears that the blood mobile was the brainchild of Dr. Charles Drew.

Angela Kinsey

Dr. Charles Drew.

Jenna Fisher

Yes. Yes. Because now, you know, the thing could come to you and get your blood. By the way, January is National Blood Donor Month. It's always a good New Year's resolution. And you can find ways to give blood at the Red Cross website.

Angela Kinsey

There you go. I loved all of it. Except for the beginning part.

Jenna Fisher

I know, I'm sorry for the beginning part. But that is the first blood transfusion on record according to the four to five websites that I read. Anyway, read the book the Immortal Life of Henrietta Lacks. It's really Good.

Angela Kinsey

Okay. Also, Dr. Charles Drew. Dr. Charles Drew, we're having a blood drive episode because you created the bloodmobile.

Jenna Fisher

We couldn't have had one in our parking lot without him. All right, fast fact number three. We got a lot of mail. People want to know who played the woman giving blood in the truck with Michael. Chelsea D Said. I thought the way Michael met that woman at the blood drive is one of the best meet cutes I've ever seen on a TV show. Well, everyone, she was played by Katie Aselton.

Angela Kinsey

She is a delight. I adore her. She's so sweet.

Jenna Fisher

We know her. Yes, we're friends with her. You guys, you probably recognize her from the League or Togetherness or Legion.

Angela Kinsey

She's so good in Legion.

Jenna Fisher

So good.

Angela Kinsey

Oh, man.

Jenna Fisher

Well, we reached out to her.

Angela Kinsey

We did.

Jenna Fisher

And she told us how she got her role in the office. Hi, guys.

Katie Aselton

I hope you guys are great. I miss seeing your faces, but I'm thrilled that you reached out. Getting to work on the Office has and will ever be just a real career highlight for me. What a thrill. It was my first big job, so, yeah, what a way to start, right? So let me just jump right in to answer. Allison Jones, who is a champion of so many of us, was a champion of mine. She is from Maine and I am from Maine, and we just have always had that really beautiful connection. But she called me in for this, and you know when an audition just clicks and this one felt that way, and it was like one of those things where I was like, oh, man, this, like, might actually happen. And it did. They bought it and that. It really, like, started everything for me. I got just instant cred getting to be a part of that show, and I'm just like, what a fun, fun first role.

Jenna Fisher

It was so cool.

Angela Kinsey

You know, I hadn't watched this episode in a long time, and when it got to that scene, I was like, oh, my God, there's Katie. And she is so incredibly charming. Like, I want her and Michael to date, you know?

Jenna Fisher

I know.

Angela Kinsey

They're so cute.

Jenna Fisher

Same Angela. When I saw it, I was like, oh, my gosh, it's Katie. And she's an amazing actress. She's also a director. She's directed three films. Her latest film is starring Diane Keaton, Elizabeth Lail, and Nicole Byer. It's called Mac and Rita. She's in post production on it now, and I told her that when it comes out, we'll put a shout out in the pod so that people can find it.

Angela Kinsey

Yeah, that's a great cast.

Jenna Fisher

Well, lady, that is all of my fast facts.

Angela Kinsey

Well, I think we should go to break because when we come back, I might need to throw Jim a little shade.

Jenna Fisher

Really? Yeah. I can't wait to find out why.

Angela Kinsey

I might have something tacky to say.

Jenna Fisher

Oh. Oh. Those are always my favorite messages.

Angela Kinsey

What do you mean?

Jenna Fisher

You'll, like, text me and be like, hey, can you call me? I have something tacky to say. And I'm like, oh, I can't wait. I'm like, drop everything. I have to call Angela.

Angela Kinsey

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Katie Aselton

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thing that finally lets you fill your table with everybody else. Come find your sacred yes with me. Follow and listen to for the Love wherever you get your podcasts. Angela, while you were getting tea during your break, Sam told me something beyond fascinating that I didn't know. And it's more news about blood.

Angela Kinsey

What?

Jenna Fisher

Sam, will you please share?

Angela Kinsey

Yeah, they have blood donors and banks, just like for humans, but for dogs. Aw.

Jenna Fisher

And they.

Katie Aselton

Same thing.

Angela Kinsey

They donate little, little pouches of blood.

Jenna Fisher

And Sam got to meet a dog that donates his blood once a month at your vet.

Angela Kinsey

His name is Ben, and he's a golden retriever. And he has a little vest with a heart on it. Aw. And he's a very good boy. Oh, that is so sweet.

Jenna Fisher

Very good boy.

Angela Kinsey

That is, like, stuff I don't even think about.

Jenna Fisher

I know, but of course, of course. All right, should we get started?

Angela Kinsey

Let's get started. Guess what.

Jenna Fisher

What?

Angela Kinsey

There is a rep from techstar who says there's a whole new operating system for the phones and he could, like, meet with Michael Scott, but Michael Scott's never around. I wonder why.

Jenna Fisher

Well, Pam says if they get this new phone system that allows the caller to contact the salespeople directly, that's basically 95% of her job. So she is clearly never letting this guy meet Michael because she doesn't want to lose her job.

Angela Kinsey

I don't think Michael would ever let her go. I just want to say, Pam, you don't have to worry, because Michael Thinks you're his personal secretary. Yeah. So even if you got that phone system, you know what it would mean. She'd probably have to spend more time with Michael. You wouldn't be as busy. So he'd be like, pam, come in my office.

Jenna Fisher

It's true. I have to say, I appreciate when a person answers the phone when I call a business.

Angela Kinsey

Me, too.

Jenna Fisher

I wouldn't like that new phone system.

Angela Kinsey

I like to get a human.

Jenna Fisher

I do, too.

Angela Kinsey

I'm chatty. Well, I want you to know, at 49 seconds, there are a few messages taped to Pam's desk.

Jenna Fisher

I saw the same thing you did.

Angela Kinsey

Okay. I want to know who Nick is.

Jenna Fisher

Oh, yeah.

Angela Kinsey

There's like a message on a Pinstar post it note. Which, by the way, Pinstar was a bank branch in Pennsylvania. Love those details. Nick in office all day. Yeah, that's what the note said. I mean, who is Nick?

Jenna Fisher

Well, I know who Nick will be. Nick will be our IT guy.

Angela Kinsey

Nick will be.

Jenna Fisher

No, Nick will be our IT guy.

Angela Kinsey

I know. I'm sorry. That just made me laugh. Okay, so we don't know who Nick is, but someday in the future, we're going to have an IT guy named Nick.

Jenna Fisher

Yes.

Angela Kinsey

Also, Jenna, was that your grocery list?

Jenna Fisher

It was my grocery list.

Angela Kinsey

I know.

Jenna Fisher

You're getting green tea and pomegranate seeds and pine nuts.

Angela Kinsey

What were you. What's happening?

Jenna Fisher

Okay. There was this salad I really liked at the time, and it had pomegranate seeds and pine nuts in it. When I saw that sticky note, I was like, oh, my gosh, I should make that salad again. I loved it.

Angela Kinsey

I thought I recognized your handwriting. I was like, that's Jenna's grocery list.

Jenna Fisher

It was. Did you also notice there is a photo of me and John on my desk? We're standing up. This was our engagement photo.

Katie Aselton

Yeah.

Jenna Fisher

We did this special photo shoot. It was the day that we shot at Jim's parents house when he's showing me around. We brought this extra set of clothes and we posed in the backyard.

Angela Kinsey

Jim has one on his desk, too.

Jenna Fisher

He does, but on his desk, I'm sitting on his lap.

Angela Kinsey

Right. And on yours, you're standing.

Jenna Fisher

Yes. So this was. I think they went out for this Valentine's Day episode. Our engagement photos.

Angela Kinsey

Jim's gonna come to Pam's rescue. He's like, Michael Scott here. And then this next bit was so funny. And Jenna, you were so excited to be part of it. I remember you were, like, so excited because, you know, Michael walks out and it's like, hey, And Jim is like, jimbo. And instead of Michael being like, what? What are you talking about? He's instantly like, ooh, what are we doing?

Jenna Fisher

We're doing a bit. We're doing a bit.

Angela Kinsey

I'm so excited. And then all of a sudden, everyone's Fonzie.

Jenna Fisher

I know. It was really fun. We were laughing on the day when we shot that. It was so fun to do those. I feel like I should let you know that the phone tech rep was played by Rob Brownstein.

Angela Kinsey

He looked familiar to me.

Jenna Fisher

Well, he's been on Monk. He was also on the short lived Law and Order, Los Angeles. Oh, he's been on Breaking Bad and on Mad Men. But Lady.

Angela Kinsey

What?

Jenna Fisher

His latest movie.

Angela Kinsey

Yeah.

Jenna Fisher

Which has not come out yet.

Angela Kinsey

Oh, no, no, wait, wait, wait. Is it John Wick?

Jenna Fisher

No. Oh, it's called Hummingbird.

Angela Kinsey

Oh, I'll go see it.

Jenna Fisher

It's a sci fi movie. Listen to the tagline I'm in. When beloved telepathic superhero Hummingbird, also known as Lola Laxman, is left for dead after a major battle, she makes a deal with the devil to save her life.

Angela Kinsey

Sign me up.

Jenna Fisher

Sign us both up. Yeah, we're going to go see Hummingbird.

Angela Kinsey

I want to be in a Sci Fi with you. Listen, you know what? You can be the science lab tech lady that comes in and gives the science behind the thing.

Jenna Fisher

Okay. You know what I would love to be in is a movie. Like, what's it called?

Angela Kinsey

Outbreak?

Jenna Fisher

No, no, not that movie with Kurt Russell. The Thing.

Angela Kinsey

Ew.

Jenna Fisher

The Thing.

Angela Kinsey

Ew.

Jenna Fisher

Yeah.

Angela Kinsey

Gross.

Jenna Fisher

Have you seen it?

Angela Kinsey

I feel like I saw part of it and I had to bail.

Jenna Fisher

It's so good. The practical effects in that movie are outstanding. All right, should we get into this episode?

Angela Kinsey

We should. There is a Valentine's Day blood drive happening, as you guys know. And I want to point out that the Scranton business park went all out with decorations.

Jenna Fisher

They really did.

Angela Kinsey

I mean, there is a Happy Valentine's Day banner. There's three red cupids shooting heart arrows, big hearts with love messages all on the walls. There's like a vase with, like, little plastic hearty things on the counter. There's a giant heart on the elevator doors that opens when they get in. Who is decorating the Scranton business park? I have a theory.

Jenna Fisher

What's your theory?

Angela Kinsey

I think it's Phyllis. She's married to Bob Vance. He's one of the five families.

Jenna Fisher

You might be right, since she can't be the Dunder Mifflin party planner anymore.

Angela Kinsey

Yeah, she's like, Bob, I'VE got a bin of hearts and cupids. I can put them around the lobby.

Jenna Fisher

I love Phyllis's voice when she's talking to Bob. Well, we also find out that it is Jim and Pam's first and only Valentine's Day as fiance's.

Angela Kinsey

Mm.

Jenna Fisher

Did you see at 2 minutes, 41 seconds that Pam's got some real cute dangle pink earrings and a sassy ponytail?

Angela Kinsey

I love the sassy ponytail.

Jenna Fisher

Me too. I do love a sassy ponytail.

Angela Kinsey

Kelly has received a valentine from a secret admirer. She opens it up, it says, roses are red, violets are blue. It's time for your dental cleaning. And maybe a checkup too.

Jenna Fisher

I want to say that this resonated with me. I have been Kelly where I've gotten what looks like a personal holiday card, and then it's from, like, my dry cleaner.

Katie Aselton

Yeah.

Jenna Fisher

You know what I mean? Or a Valentine's Day card that I think. Oh, oh. Or birthday. Do you ever get the birthday greetings

Angela Kinsey

from, like, from, like, you get, like, a birthday greeting from your gynecologist? Right.

Jenna Fisher

Exactly.

Angela Kinsey

At Christmas, you know, a lot of businesses will send out, like, a company Christmas card. Yeah, I tape them right up with all my family and friends Christmas cards. It just tickles me to be like, oh, there's, like, my friend's family. They're so cute. And there's my aunt and uncle, and there's my air conditioning company. Yep, right there with a little wreath over a giant air conditioning unit. It goes up on the wall. Guys, if you send it to me,

Jenna Fisher

this is true about you. Should we talk about Pam's beautiful Valentine's Day floral arrangement?

Angela Kinsey

Oh, we shall. And I'm putting on my glasses for this conversation.

Jenna Fisher

Wow.

Angela Kinsey

At 3 minutes and 3 seconds, we get a real nice shot of this flower arrangement that Jim gave Pam. And now I'm about to be tacky. Oh, okay, here it is. I had a friend growing up who worked at our local flower shop. She told me that carnations are the cheapest flower, and they use them to fill out arrangements. And another cheap flower they use are daisies. So if you want to go cheap, you get carnations and daisies. Jim's valentine flowers are all carnations and daisies. I'm just saying.

Jenna Fisher

I noticed it as well. So I looked in the script. I wanted to see if there was a script note about Jim's flower arrangement to Pam.

Angela Kinsey

I want to hear it, because I have a theory that I will prove. I think I can prove it.

Jenna Fisher

Okay, here is what the script Said there was a note. There is a small bouquet of non rose flowers on Pam's desk.

Angela Kinsey

Okay, well, I think Phil Shay from props ran with this because later in the episode, when they go to the fancy restaurant with Bob and Phyllis, this same arrangement is on all the tables.

Jenna Fisher

Really?

Angela Kinsey

Yes. And if you look up cheap flowers for big events, carnations and daisies, if you have an event like a wedding or whatever, they help fill out the arrangements. So I think Phil was like, okay, great. I can get this small bouquet of the same arrangement that I'm doing for the dinner at the restaurant.

Jenna Fisher

Yeah.

Angela Kinsey

So in Jim's defense, I don't know, maybe it helped out our props department.

Jenna Fisher

Well, I'll also have you know, in this same scene, at 3 minutes and 17 seconds, my grocery list is gone. So we obviously shot this on a different day. And I've been shopping now, so in case you were worried, I got all my stuff.

Angela Kinsey

Michael does not like the flowers. No, he's not a fan. He puts them on the floor. He doesn't want to see them. I was like, you know what? I get that. He doesn't want to see them. The floor. Couldn't he just, like, put him, like, on one of those tables behind her?

Jenna Fisher

I don't know.

Angela Kinsey

He wouldn't be able to see him.

Jenna Fisher

Well, he goes up to Jim and he says, I need to have a word with you. And he says that today is a very difficult day for many people in the office and that Pam and Jim's sexy vibes are creating a hostile work environment.

Angela Kinsey

This whole conversation made me laugh so hard. First of all, it's kind of in hushed tones, you know, and they're saying ridiculous things in hush tones. That was always really hard for me. Yeah, and when you were like, michael, you do not get to be in our relationship, lady.

Jenna Fisher

I wrote that down because I remember making a choice to say that as if it's not the first time I've had to explain.

Angela Kinsey

It was really good.

Jenna Fisher

I wanted it to have history.

Angela Kinsey

It did. It really paid off.

Jenna Fisher

Well, we had a fan question from Maddie L. Who says when Michael asks Jim to have a word with him, he starts to stand up as if he's going to head to Michael's office, but then awkwardly sits back down when Michael chooses to sit on Jim's desk instead. Was this improvised? I think it was. I looked in the script to see if there was any stage direction. Yeah, there wasn't, except that it clearly says they don't move into Michael's office. They stay at Jim's desk. So I think that feels like something that John and Steve probably found in the moment. It's very funny, 100%.

Angela Kinsey

And I feel like those guys, you know, we've talked about this a lot. By this time, everyone knew their characters so well. So those tops and bottoms of a scene, and you could kind of play around a little bit, and it looked like them just having fun.

Jenna Fisher

It's time to talk about Dwight.

Angela Kinsey

I feel like Dwight. How do I say this? I feel like this episode really shows so much of who Dwight is. There's deleted scenes where he talks about the bloodmobile being a vampire magnet after dark. He's ready for anything and everything, you know?

Jenna Fisher

Yes.

Angela Kinsey

And he has a lot of stuff to share about how his body can do things.

Jenna Fisher

Yes. The nurse is trying to take blood, but she can't find a vein. Well, you know why? He's hidden it from her. And when he's ready, he's gonna pop it on out for her.

Angela Kinsey

Yeah.

Jenna Fisher

Then he has a talking head where he tells us he can also retract his penis up into himself.

Angela Kinsey

Yeah. He says, I train my major blood vessels to retract into my body on command. Also, I can retract my penis up into itself.

Jenna Fisher

We had a fan question from Robin T. Robin, go. Dwight's lines about retracting his blood vessels and penis is one of my favorite quotes from the entire show. It is so absolutely absurd and hilarious and so very Dwight. I want to know everything about this line. Was it scripted? How hard was it to get through? I'll tell you, it was scripted. But this was an alternate talking head. This is not the one that appeared in our shooting draft. So I wasn't there when they shot it, But I have to imagine it was very difficult to get through.

Angela Kinsey

Well, it's Michael's turn to give blood, guys.

Jenna Fisher

Wow, that's a big needle. He says, are you squeamish around needles? I can give blood. I don't get faint or anything, but I don't like to watch it. Yeah. I don't like to see the needle go in my arm. I don't like to see the bag fill up, but I don't like it faint or weird around blood.

Angela Kinsey

Yeah, yeah.

Jenna Fisher

If someone's bleeding, it doesn't make me faint.

Angela Kinsey

Yeah, same, same.

Jenna Fisher

Okay. Michael, on the other hand, is very nervous, but luckily there's a lovely young woman also giving blood, and they start joking around.

Angela Kinsey

Yes.

Jenna Fisher

We asked Katie about this scene. I wanted to know, did she do any research into the process of giving blood and all of that. And here's what she had to say.

Katie Aselton

I didn't do any research for this role, but I didn't need to because my character was just nervous and pleasant, and I didn't have to dig super deep to access those emotions. But the funny. I do have a very funny anecdote about being nervous or my character being nervous is that my first line was me just laughing nervously and saying, I'm so sorry. I'm so nervous. And Steve. Steve kept cutting, and he would be like, oh, no, it's okay.

Jenna Fisher

We'll go again. We'll go again.

Katie Aselton

And finally, I was just like, I think it's my line. I think that's what I'm supposed to say. But that has always made me laugh. And of course, yes, I was thrilled to work with Steve to get that. To get the show was its own triumph. But then to have my scene be with him was just like. I was over the moon.

Jenna Fisher

I love that story about Steve because he was such a caretaker like, that he would want our guest actors to feel really comfortable. And, you know, he'd be like, oh, no, it's okay. We'll start again. We'll wait till you're comfortable. I was like, no, it's actually my line.

Angela Kinsey

I would also be relieved if the first time I ever had to be in a scene with Steve, I got to just laugh nervously and say I was nervous.

Katie Aselton

Yes.

Angela Kinsey

Because it would be so truthful.

Jenna Fisher

Such an honest moment.

Angela Kinsey

Yeah.

Jenna Fisher

There's a third person in this scene. It's the nurse. She was great. I wondered if she was a real bloodmobile nurse, since that was a real blood mobile.

Angela Kinsey

Yeah. And she seemed kind of no nonsense, like, very comfortable there.

Jenna Fisher

Well, she was, in fact, an actress. Her name is Julie Ramala. She has not been on Monk or Law and Order, but she was on several episodes of the Young and the Restless, as well as many movies and TV shows.

Angela Kinsey

Well, Michael's gonna make the mistake of looking at his blood bag. He freaks out a little. And he says to her, tell me story. Say something. Distract me. And she says, he's cute.

Jenna Fisher

Mm.

Angela Kinsey

And he's, I think, so happy. And then he shares that he didn't eat for three days because he was so nervous about giving blood, and he passes out.

Jenna Fisher

Yes. We had a fan question. Many, many people wanted to know, how do we do these scenes of people giving blood? Some people wanted to know, did they actually give blood?

Katie Aselton

No.

Jenna Fisher

Oh, my goodness, no.

Angela Kinsey

You know, not in the episode.

Jenna Fisher

Well, yes, the next day, but not while we were filming. No.

Angela Kinsey

The next day. With trained professionals and not actors pretending to take blood.

Jenna Fisher

Correct. I found out how they make fakie blood.

Katie Aselton

Oh.

Jenna Fisher

Thanks to Randy Cordray.

Angela Kinsey

How do they do it?

Jenna Fisher

All right. It's a combination of water, food coloring, and you're not gonna believe it. One more thing.

Angela Kinsey

Wait, wait, wait.

Jenna Fisher

You'll never guess.

Angela Kinsey

Wait, wait, wait. I want to try to guess.

Jenna Fisher

You can eat it.

Angela Kinsey

I thought you could eat it. I was going to say, like, jello.

Jenna Fisher

Nestle's quick. Oh, yeah. That thickens it a little, I guess.

Toyota Advertiser

Yeah.

Jenna Fisher

So our blood was all made by our special effects team, led by Ron Neri. Had to make fakie blood that day. Fakey blood.

Angela Kinsey

Well, I thought the reveal of Hank, when Michael comes to it, was one of the best moments.

Jenna Fisher

I laughed so hard.

Angela Kinsey

It was so perfect. And then he calls the nurse, a waitress. He's, like, so out of it. And he finds her glove.

Jenna Fisher

He does.

Angela Kinsey

And this starts his whole mission to

Jenna Fisher

find her to return the glove.

Angela Kinsey

Yeah.

Jenna Fisher

Like Cinderella's slipper.

Angela Kinsey

I know. It's really cute.

Jenna Fisher

We have one more clip from Katie where she just shares her memories of her time on the show. I asked her. Anything stick out to you and Angela? Wait until you hear what she says.

Angela Kinsey

Oh, I can't wait.

Katie Aselton

I don't remember a ton of details about my time on set except for that you guys were on your last day of, like, a very, very, very long cycle of shooting. And everyone was just dead tired and just ready for a hiatus. So that is what I remember. But they were lovely. Everyone was great. But just, like, the talk was all about how this hiatus was just so needed. So that's what I remember. That and that you guys moved so quickly. It was, like the fastest. I don't even know if I got lunch that day. Like, I showed up, I did my scene, and I. I'm pretty sure you guys banged me out, and I didn't even get a free lunch.

Jenna Fisher

All right, this was. Remember early on, we had to do 18 episodes in a row so that we could create that hiatus for Steve to go do a movie?

Angela Kinsey

Yeah.

Jenna Fisher

This was that 18th episode.

Angela Kinsey

We were so wiped.

Jenna Fisher

Yep.

Angela Kinsey

18 weeks of 12 to 14 hour days.

Jenna Fisher

Yeah.

Angela Kinsey

And you guys. You know when you have that stretch of work where you leave work and it's dark out and then you come back to work and it's still dark out. You know what I mean? Because you're there so early. Yeah. And you're just like. And you sort of all look at each other and joke and be like, see, you In a few hours.

Jenna Fisher

There's a whole thing now it's called clopening and Clopening. Clopening. And it's a lot of people who work in the service industry or in the food industry where you have to close the restaurant and then like a few hours later you have to open it.

Angela Kinsey

Yeah.

Jenna Fisher

Clopening.

Angela Kinsey

Clopening. Well, we were in the clopening phase.

Jenna Fisher

We were.

Angela Kinsey

That is hilarious to me because I do remember, like when we would wrap after a big stretch like that, I would get like a cold. I would get sick.

Jenna Fisher

We talked about that.

Angela Kinsey

Yeah.

Jenna Fisher

Right now we were about to all get sick, basically, and Katie clocked it and has remembered it all these years later. That's how tired we were.

Angela Kinsey

We were so tired.

Jenna Fisher

Next up is a scene I'm dying to talk about. It's in the conference room. Kelly and Meredith are decorating for the Lonely Hearts party. Is this a good time to talk about how Meredith is wearing the vest again? Yes, the sweater vest.

Angela Kinsey

It is making its second appearance in the series pretty quickly because it was just in the duel.

Jenna Fisher

Yes. This is the vest that I wore to a press event with John Krasinski. And by the way, it was not Betsy Johnson. It was Nanette Lepore.

Angela Kinsey

Fancy. And Meredith loves it, clearly, and is wearing it again.

Jenna Fisher

They were really, I think, rubbing it in my face. I take it personally. I'm kidding.

Angela Kinsey

Well, there's something happening now that I as an actor am super jealous of because Jim and Pam are gonna go to frickin lunch with Bob and Phyllis. Jenna, I would have loved to been there. That looked like so much fun and I love it. It's like the thing we talk about when random characters get thrown together. What's gonna happen? What's the chemistry? I lived for every scene and there was many. So, so much more in the script and there's more in the deleted scenes.

Jenna Fisher

Phyllis and I were so excited for this storyline. We're the two St. Louis Gals.

Angela Kinsey

Yeah.

Jenna Fisher

And we got to have this whole day of shooting together.

Angela Kinsey

We got to talk about bowling.

Jenna Fisher

Yes. We had a fan question from Joe S. Where were the restaurant scenes for the double date filmed? I will tell you, they were filmed at a real restaurant called Barsack Brazier. It was on Lankersham Boulevard in North Hollywood. We filled the restaurant with background performers who were pretending to be servers and diners. We had the restaurant for half a day. It is no longer in business, but that's where we were. And we ate their real food.

Angela Kinsey

Well, if you look at the tables there you're going to see Jim's bouquet of flowers to Pam on every table. I'll do a side by side in our stories. And I want to ask you, Jenna, about the scene with the bowling.

Jenna Fisher

Okay.

Angela Kinsey

All right. So Bob says, everyone here who's bowled a 280, please raise your hand. And you guys are, like, super impressed. Yeah. What's the Highest bowling number?

Jenna Fisher

300.

Angela Kinsey

Oh, my gosh.

Jenna Fisher

Yeah.

Angela Kinsey

That's a big deal. I don't know a lot about bowling. I don't know much about bowling.

Jenna Fisher

Yes. 300 is if you get a strike in every frame. Wowzers.

Angela Kinsey

Okay, well, there was a whole other storyline where clearly the writers wanted Jim and Pam to be impressed by how cool Bob and Phyllis were. There was a whole other scene where you guys talk about how you went to Dave Matthews Band.

Jenna Fisher

Yes. I remember shooting it and that they

Angela Kinsey

had great seats in that Phyllis, like, went backstage and all this stuff.

Katie Aselton

Yeah.

Jenna Fisher

We're like, oh, my gosh, Bob and Phyllis are kind of cool.

Angela Kinsey

And then they excused themselves to the restroom.

Jenna Fisher

We got some mail from Emily Y. Who really appreciated the callback from Phyllis's wedding about Phyllis being a good bowler.

Angela Kinsey

Oh, yeah.

Jenna Fisher

I also enjoyed that. If you guys remember, Bob has a speech at their reception where he refers to Phyllis as, quote, a hell of a bowler.

Angela Kinsey

That's right.

Jenna Fisher

I think we should take a break before we go to Michael's lonely hearts party.

Angela Kinsey

I do too.

Jenna Fisher

Is that okay?

Angela Kinsey

I. I think we should too. Before we go to break, I just want to say one thing. What is it that I love that Bob says, I don't know how you work with that one jackass and then that new jackass and that other jackass.

Katie Aselton

Yeah.

Jenna Fisher

And Phyllis is like, he means Michael, Dwight, and Andy. And Jim's like, oh, I. I knew who he was.

Angela Kinsey

I knew I knew. Oh, that's great. Let's go to break. This show is sponsored by Better Help.

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Jenna Fisher

We are back. And since I shared about my hot feet today, I thought I would also share about another wardrobe malfunction that I discovered during my bathroom break, which is that I put my underwear on inside out today. Oh, I'm having that day, everybody. I think I look really put together today. Do I? Or is it no? You know, you didn't say yes. In fact. Well, you gotta look on your face. Like, how do I say this?

Angela Kinsey

I.

Katie Aselton

You know what?

Angela Kinsey

You know why I don't want you to move. Don't move. Oh, no, don't move. I just want to take a picture of your hair and then I'm gonna answer. Okay, now you just said I feel pretty, pretty put together today. Now I want you to look at this.

Jenna Fisher

Okay. Okay.

Angela Kinsey

Now your Outfit, lady. It's all happening. You have your little shirt and pants and your fancy sneakers. I like your look today.

Jenna Fisher

Good. Okay.

Angela Kinsey

Okay. All right. Let's go to the lonely hearts party.

Jenna Fisher

Let's do. Because Michael wants to go around and have everyone tell their worst relationship story.

Angela Kinsey

Michael has this way of like, oh, you don't feel good? I want you to feel worse.

Jenna Fisher

Yeah, I think he thinks this is gonna be, I don't know, bonding. Cathartic.

Angela Kinsey

Well, you guys, we had to sit in a circle facing each other. We could not get through these scenes. We each went around and said the most ridiculous things. There was way more than what you're seeing here. There was more on the page and. And we just were laughing all day. Also for the supporting cast, we got to have Steve all to ourselves and interact with him and as Michael Scott and our characters. And it just was a fricking hilariously fun afternoon.

Jenna Fisher

I love how Oscar doesn't want to share and then he clearly has been going on and on.

Angela Kinsey

Yeah. It actually in the script starts with Meredith and she talks about the woman her husband left her for. I think we need to hear some of it. So my husband ran off with some broad. Who was she? She was our garbage woman. Nice. I totally get it. I mean, she was strong. She had a career. She could heave a bag of garbage as high as a two story house. So sorry, Myrta. My kids call her mom now. I guess it's for the best. Oh, my God.

Jenna Fisher

Oh, my God. Okay, all right, well, let's.

Katie Aselton

Let's.

Jenna Fisher

Who else?

Sam (Audio Engineer)

Kids.

Jenna Fisher

She said my kids.

Angela Kinsey

I know, I know.

Jenna Fisher

More evidence that there's more than one more evidence.

Angela Kinsey

And then I don't know if you heard at the end, Steve, as Michael goes. Oh, God. Okay. Like every time he did that after everyone's story, it was so hard to keep it together.

Jenna Fisher

Michael tries to get Kelly to share, but she insists that I guess her heart wasn't broken, that Ryan's okay, that his heart was in the right place. Michael reminds her that his heart and body are now in Thailand having random sex.

Angela Kinsey

Awesome. Again, great pep talk, Michael. Angela had a talking head here. It's in the deleted scenes. I want to play it, Jenna, because I then want to read you what was my alt. Talking head. Because we talk a lot about how our alternate talking heads sometimes would just be all over the map. And I want you to hear the difference. Okay. Play what would have actually ended up in the episode if we had had more time. I do not have a valentine this year. I have recently got out of two long term relationships. So I want to wait before I do that again. Okay. So that's what we shot. Okay.

Jenna Fisher

Amazing.

Angela Kinsey

Amazing. Here was my alt. One of my alts. Guys, the major holidays are Christmas, Easter and the fourth of July. Valentine's Day is bull. And then they said we could try it this way. Valentine's Day is bullpucky. Ah, but that was my alt.

Jenna Fisher

Well, Angela does share her, I guess, heartbreak story, which is that there was a time when she was in a relationship with two men, both of whom she loved, and they ended up dueling over her.

Angela Kinsey

And Oscar's like, we know, we were there. Dwight and Andy. And she's like, no, this was years ago when I was living in Ohio. John Mark and John David.

Jenna Fisher

Ohio.

Angela Kinsey

I know.

Jenna Fisher

John Mark and John David.

Angela Kinsey

What was her other life? And then Oscar's like, wait a second. You had two sets of different men actually duel over you? And I had so much fun saying, I guess I have.

Katie Aselton

Huh?

Jenna Fisher

And then your deleted talking head implies that you might do this a third time, but you need a moment. I need a moment before you do that again.

Angela Kinsey

Again. And then, you guys, Oscar's whole story was so great. There was so much more to it. I wish it hadn't been cut. He talks about like the whole entire way he met this guy and how it all played out and it really builds and we're hanging on his every word. And a lot of that had to be cut for time. But it was really fun to shoot.

Jenna Fisher

We also find out where Andy is because, guys, he has not been in this episode at all. Where is he? He is on his honeymoons.

Angela Kinsey

Yeah. Oscar said, you know, he had to put full deposits down that he couldn't get back non refundables on these honeymoons. So he's just going and doing them all. He's got a hot air balloon thing of massage. Lady. This got me thinking, how many times does this happen? Do people share about this where they had an engagement that got broken off and they've already paid for the honeymoon and who goes on it? I guess it happens quite a bit.

Jenna Fisher

I know someone it happened to.

Angela Kinsey

You do? What was the honeymoon destination?

Jenna Fisher

I think the honeymoon destination was Hawaii. And what they did was they each like canceled their plane ticket and they got the credit. And my friend came and visited me on what would have been her honeymoon week.

Toyota Advertiser

Wow.

Jenna Fisher

So instead of flying to Hawaii, she rerouted it to la and then I took her to Laguna beach and we just hung out the week that it would have been her honeymoon.

Angela Kinsey

Oh, my gosh. You have such a personal story about this. Well, in my search online about these stories, guess what I found?

Jenna Fisher

What?

Angela Kinsey

In March of 2019, the New York Times ran an article saying that traveling alone for your honeymoon is actually on trend.

Jenna Fisher

What?

Angela Kinsey

Yeah, I know, I'm sorry.

Jenna Fisher

Wait, but the marriage happened.

Angela Kinsey

The marriage happened.

Jenna Fisher

And then you go by yourself on a honeymoon trip.

Angela Kinsey

You both go separately by yourselves. They said it's been given two nicknames. Solomoons are uni moons. And according to Jessica Carbino, who's an online dating expert and a sociologist for the dating app Bumble, she says, frankly, the idea of separate honeymoons may signal the continued evolution of marriage. Given the recognition that for most couples today, marriage and partnership is considered all consuming, with the partner needing to fulfill every role, physical, spiritual, emotional, and sexual. Perhaps separate vacations is a recognition among some couples that all expectations cannot be met by a single person. This caused a stir on Twitter.

Jenna Fisher

Look at my face.

Angela Kinsey

I know this whole article. So, Helen Fisher from the Kinsey Institute, Guys, I'm not related, but, you know, same last name. Helen Fisher, who works at the Kinsey Institute, said, perhaps I'm old fashioned, but I think it should be marked. You are at a new stage in your life when you marry, and you are missing out on triggering the three most valuable brain systems for a lasting relationship.

Jenna Fisher

I'm with this same, like, oh, my

Angela Kinsey

gosh, you just got married. This is a celebration of your union. Isn't the whole idea to go take a trip together?

Jenna Fisher

Yeah, I just think it's a milestone that is best celebrated together.

Angela Kinsey

I know.

Jenna Fisher

I mean, I do see the value in once you are married and especially if you have kids, there is a great restorative, wonderful indulgence if you can take a trip solo. Right. I mean, my dream vacation is me going and sleeping somewhere for three days, you know, so, yes, sign me up. But when you first get married, you've

Angela Kinsey

also been married a long time and you have young children and the idea of getting sleep in.

Jenna Fisher

No, I've been married over 11 years. And yes, I'm thinking, what? Solo vacation? I mean, even now, if there's a chance that we could have someone watch our kids, I'd want to go somewhere with Lee for three days. We could just sleep. I think he'd like it, too.

Angela Kinsey

I get excited when Josh and I can both run errands at the same time together. If I turn to him, that's sometimes

Jenna Fisher

a date night for us.

Angela Kinsey

It is like if I turn to him and say, I Gotta go to Target. And he's like, oh, I can go too.

Jenna Fisher

I'm like, no way.

Angela Kinsey

I'm so excited.

Jenna Fisher

I hear all of that. Here's the thing. I'll just say it. I like to be around my husband all the time. We don't even have to be talking to each other. I like to text him all day. I like to get his texts. I mean, I don't know. I like him.

Angela Kinsey

I know you.

Jenna Fisher

I want to go on honeymoon with him.

Angela Kinsey

I know. I want to go on a honeymoon with my person. Anyway, so Andy is on sort of a sad uni moon.

Jenna Fisher

Well, I'll tell you where he really was.

Angela Kinsey

Oh, where Ed Helms was?

Jenna Fisher

Yes. Ed was filming the Hangover in Las Vegas.

Angela Kinsey

Oh, that's right. This is when we had the crazy schedule for him. He was so tired. Jenna, do you remember he would get off the plane from Vegas and come straight to our set.

Jenna Fisher

Yeah. Here's what we did. It was this big negotiation between the studios. He would be on set with us Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday. We only got him three days, Right. Then he would fly after work and start work on the Hangover. Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday. He was working seven days, but there were two weeks when he had to work on the Hangover all week. And this was one of those weeks. Remember, BJ was also gone right now filming Inglourious Basterds. So two of our fellows were off making movies, so. So they created these storylines for these guys so that they could do their movies. They got very creative with this idea of Andy being on his honeymoons, because after this episode aired, NBC uploaded photos of Ed pretending to be on vacation. They put him in the Angela Martin Andy Bernard wedding website. They had him pose in all these different outfits in front of a green screen. They had him scuba diving, standing in front of a hot air balloon in Napa Valley and visiting Epcot Center.

Angela Kinsey

I think I might still have those.

Jenna Fisher

I found the one of him in front of the balloon.

Angela Kinsey

Yeah.

Jenna Fisher

And I also found the message that they wrote from Andy to everyone on the wedding website. It said this quote, wanted all my bros and bras in cyberspace to know that the old nard dog is doing just fine.

Angela Kinsey

Back to our group of sadness. Kevin is going to share about his breakup from Stacy.

Jenna Fisher

Yeah.

Angela Kinsey

Michael decides to become a problem solver. He says there's got to be a way to get all the lonely people together. A mixer first.

Jenna Fisher

Dwight says, a giant net.

Angela Kinsey

Jenna, I thought that that was an improv. And I went and looked in the script, and it was completely 100% written.

Jenna Fisher

It's so funny.

Angela Kinsey

It's so funny.

Jenna Fisher

But no, you're right. Michael is saying a mixer, AKA an old fashioned meat market. They're going to put up flyers.

Angela Kinsey

Yep.

Jenna Fisher

They're going to invite people. And on the flyer, Michael is going to make sure that he is, you know, sending out a beacon to this lost glove lady.

Angela Kinsey

Yeah. And he says, you know what? Cupid is going to shoot his sparrow at unsuspecting victims. Yeah, his sparrow. A funny little bird, but he gets the job done.

Jenna Fisher

That's right.

Angela Kinsey

That tickled me because I feel like I get phrases. One or two words off.

Jenna Fisher

You feel like it? You do.

Angela Kinsey

You do. Why is Sam applauding? Oh, my gosh.

Jenna Fisher

Because we thought the same thing when you said it.

Angela Kinsey

Like there's a debate to it.

Jenna Fisher

I feel like it might be possible

Angela Kinsey

that in this moment, I really relate to Michael.

Jenna Fisher

When the mixer gets underway, two women enter.

Angela Kinsey

Yes. Lynn and Ree.

Jenna Fisher

Ree was played by Tate Hanyok. She's done a ton of comedy television work. Everything from Scrubs, Community Superstore. She has been on Monk and. I can't believe I'm gonna say this.

Angela Kinsey

What?

Jenna Fisher

I was so excited.

Sam (Audio Engineer)

What?

Angela Kinsey

She has John Wick.

Jenna Fisher

No.

Angela Kinsey

Oh, I've seen John Wick. What? With Keanu Reeves. How does she know him? What? No.

Jenna Fisher

Oh, my gosh, you are so on Keanu today. No. She was in a television pilot called Hummingbird.

Angela Kinsey

Oh, my Lord. I should just know today. All of your anecdotes are Hummingbird related.

Jenna Fisher

I mean, I couldn't believe it when I was looking her up. She played Sienna. The series was a thriller about a young girl who vanishes. The other lady who has entered is Lynn. She was played by Lisa K. Wyatt. This is her first of four episodes.

Angela Kinsey

Yes.

Jenna Fisher

She's going to become a love interest for Kevin. In addition to her numerous film television commercial credits such as Donnie Darko, Legally Blonde, and Days of Our Lives, Lisa Wyatt also does stand up. And along with her husband, she coaches other actors in an acting technique. Acting technique called the Mechanics of Believability at the Acting Garage in Los Angeles.

Angela Kinsey

I thought she was very believable.

Jenna Fisher

There you go.

Angela Kinsey

Spot on. Did you guys all notice that Re is dressed like Angela Martin?

Jenna Fisher

Yes. We got mail about it. People wanted to know if that was on purpose.

Angela Kinsey

I think so. Yes.

Jenna Fisher

Yes. I think so. Yes. Well, Michael's gonna bring Lynn right on over to Kevin. He wants to make a love connection.

Angela Kinsey

I mean, Michael's playing Cupid.

Toyota Advertiser

He is.

Jenna Fisher

Kevin tries to chatter up, but he kind of keeps putting his foot in his mouth. He does mention the Circle Drive in. That's a real place. I looked it up. It's in Scranton, and it's still in operation.

Angela Kinsey

One of my favorites, though, is when Michael tries to set up Meredith. He says, so, Eric, you mentioned that you are in Tool and Die repair.

Jenna Fisher

I loved that.

Angela Kinsey

Yeah.

Jenna Fisher

Do you think he works at Cress Tool and Die?

Angela Kinsey

Probably.

Jenna Fisher

It's on the sign down in the lobby. Yes.

Angela Kinsey

This is like a business park, right?

Jenna Fisher

Yes, exactly.

Angela Kinsey

Eric says, I am. And then Michael says, well, Meredith recently had a total hysterectomy, so that's sort of a repair. All right, I'll let you do talk.

Jenna Fisher

Would you like a guest star breakdown on Eric?

Angela Kinsey

I would.

Jenna Fisher

He was played by Jason Rogel, and I found a very interesting crossover connection.

Angela Kinsey

I know it.

Jenna Fisher

Tell us, Angela.

Angela Kinsey

Jason and I, when he played Eric, we didn't know each other, but years later, we would both be in the Netflix movie Tall Girl together.

Katie Aselton

Yes.

Jenna Fisher

So crazy. I know.

Angela Kinsey

A little mini office reunion. He played the doctor, the pediatrician. When Steve Zahn, who plays my husband and I, we go to meet with a pediatrician because our daughter is so incredibly tall at such a young age. And he played the pediatrician.

Jenna Fisher

Should we go to the restaurant?

Angela Kinsey

We should, because Bob and Phyllis have not come back from the bathroom.

Jenna Fisher

No. And Jim and Pam are very hungry.

Angela Kinsey

Their food is there. This is getting so awkward.

Jenna Fisher

They're discussing, when are you allowed to eat? And Jim says, did you get hot food? And Pam says, no, she got cold food. And he said, then I think you need to wait. Right.

Angela Kinsey

You have to wait for the other people.

Jenna Fisher

And Pam says, bob got hot food, and I think his fries are getting cold. And then they start eating his fries, and then they eat his steak. I know. Did you see how I was really eating the steak, lady? I was starving. I was, like, so excited to eat the fries and the steak. That was real. That's my real hunger.

Angela Kinsey

I thought it rang pretty true, just knowing you, the way I know you when you get hungry. Yep. That you would not hesitate to take food off someone else's plate, especially because they hadn't been on that plate yet.

Jenna Fisher

When I was a caterer, would you

Angela Kinsey

take things and, you know, when I

Jenna Fisher

was clearing the tables, if there was, like a roll or, like part of a chicken breast that had clearly not been touched, I would eat it. I mean, I was hungry and I, you know, was a struggling actor. It was a free meal. I sort of piece it together from Everybody's plate. Let me tell you something, Angela, because you brought up food and eating for me, you know, it's important to me. And it's so important to me, this idea of, like, being at a large dinner party and people are getting served food and when do you get to eat your food? That I actually looked it up once,

Angela Kinsey

like, the etiquette of it.

Jenna Fisher

Yes. And I read that in a large dinner party, if they're serving something cold, you have to wait for everybody to get their cold dish, like a salad or a cold soup, before you start eating. But if something hot is being served after two or more people have been served that hot dish, you can begin eating while you wait for the rest of the party to get their dish. And I've stuck with that in my life. When I've been at, like, let's say, a table of 10, if I get my hot dish, I'm the fourth person to get it. I start eating it because that's what the book said and because I want to. But I digged a little deeper. Since we're on the topic of dining etiquette, here are some other dining etiquette rules for you. Apparently, if you get a dinner roll, etiquette says you should only butter one bite at a time. You shouldn't butter your whole piece of bread.

Angela Kinsey

Get out.

Jenna Fisher

Isn't that crazy?

Angela Kinsey

I'm gonna put butter all over it.

Jenna Fisher

I butter the whole thing.

Angela Kinsey

I want more butter.

Jenna Fisher

But if you butter it one bite at a time, you're double dipping. But it no, because you're using a

Angela Kinsey

special knife and you're putting it on your bread and you're taking a bite, and then you're doing that knife on that shared communal butter. Again, etiquette, I don't think you're right.

Jenna Fisher

Well, that's what it said.

Angela Kinsey

Okay.

Jenna Fisher

Also, out of respect for the chef, you should always try several bites of your food before adding any salt or pepper.

Angela Kinsey

Well, we always say that to our kids. Like, try it before you salt it.

Jenna Fisher

Guys, if someone asks you to pass the salt, do you know you're supposed to pass the salt and pepper together?

Angela Kinsey

I do.

Jenna Fisher

They're a pair. They like to travel together.

Angela Kinsey

They travel together.

Jenna Fisher

If you're enjoying a family style meal, you're supposed to pass the dishes clockwise around the table.

Angela Kinsey

Oh, gosh. At our family, it's like a free for all same.

Jenna Fisher

Also, this one I found very interesting. If you leave the table and you're in the middle of a meal, do you know where you're supposed to put

Angela Kinsey

your Napkin to the left of your plate.

Jenna Fisher

That's what I thought. To the side of your plate.

Angela Kinsey

Yeah.

Jenna Fisher

Your chair. What? You're supposed to set it on your chair.

Angela Kinsey

Gross.

Jenna Fisher

My butt was just there. Why do I want to put that? What? No.

Angela Kinsey

Maybe your hot feet were tucked up under your butt.

Jenna Fisher

I know. I could have a hot foot. Inside out. Underwear, chair.

Angela Kinsey

Yeah.

Jenna Fisher

That's gross. Why are we talking about my chair?

Angela Kinsey

You brought up all of these things. The hot feet, your underwear in the chair. This is all your stuff.

Jenna Fisher

Why are you making me talk about this? Pam and Jim can't take it anymore. It's been so long. They're like, did they ditch us?

Angela Kinsey

Yeah.

Jenna Fisher

Where are they?

Angela Kinsey

Maybe they just left.

Jenna Fisher

Well, they go to look for them over by the restrooms.

Angela Kinsey

Yeah. And what do they hear? Moaning behind a door.

Jenna Fisher

It is on. They are clearly getting it on.

Angela Kinsey

Jim and Pam are horrified.

Jenna Fisher

But then, but then when they come back to the table. Can we talk about Phyllis chugging the water?

Angela Kinsey

She's so flustered. She's like sweaty chugging her water. Phyllis should get an Emmy for that moment. She's so brilliant.

Jenna Fisher

It's so good. And then at 17 minutes, 35 seconds. Can we please talk about the way that Bob Vance holds his fork when he starts cutting his steak? He's like got his fork in like a fist and he stabbed it into the steak and he's cutting it. He feeds it to Phyllis.

Angela Kinsey

I had a question about this moment.

Katie Aselton

Okay.

Jenna Fisher

Yes.

Angela Kinsey

He says, do you want any steak? And she's like, sure. And he passes it over to her and she says, no mushrooms. He says, sorry, I forgot. And then she eats the steak. I was like, this is so nuanced. This feels so personal and intimate. Was this written? And I went to the script and this is not in the script.

Jenna Fisher

The whole steak thing isn't him feeding

Angela Kinsey

her in the mushroom.

Jenna Fisher

Wow, that's crazy because I just remember shooting it several times. So it must have been an on the day thing. Cause it wasn't a one time improv. Because they had to set up that camera specifically to get that look from me and John.

Angela Kinsey

Right.

Jenna Fisher

And I remember that we had a hard time holding it because it was very funny.

Angela Kinsey

But my question is, was the mushroom thing an accident? I don't remember when he stabs the steak. And maybe in real life Phyllis doesn't like mushrooms, so she just. Improv. No mushrooms.

Jenna Fisher

I don't know.

Angela Kinsey

It's so specific.

Jenna Fisher

It's so good.

Angela Kinsey

I loved it.

Jenna Fisher

Back at the mixer, Michael keeps looking at the door. He's really hoping glove girl will show up.

Angela Kinsey

And Dwight is like, why do you keep looking at the front door? Someone after you.

Jenna Fisher

Okay, wait. We got a fan question about that from Amy P. She says when Dwight asks Michael if someone's after him and Oscar says, why do you always go to that? Has anyone ever been after anyone in this office? Amy says, yes, Oscar.

Angela Kinsey

Roy.

Katie Aselton

Yes.

Jenna Fisher

Remember Roy? He was definitely after Jim. And Dwight saved the day.

Angela Kinsey

Listen, Dwight is ready with weaponry all the time.

Jenna Fisher

There is a moment where a woman shows up who is not Michael's lady and he turns her away.

Angela Kinsey

Everyone groans. I don't know that he turns her away, but she walks in and everyone is so excited for glove girls that when Michael's like, nope. They're like.

Jenna Fisher

And she leaves.

Angela Kinsey

Yeah.

Jenna Fisher

This unnamed woman, I looked her up. Do you know who she is?

Angela Kinsey

Oh, I do.

Jenna Fisher

Dorian Frankel.

Angela Kinsey

Uh huh.

Jenna Fisher

She was Allison Jones, casting associate for the office after Phyllis left.

Angela Kinsey

Let me tell you a little bit about Dorian. I met her a lifetime ago. Dorian, if you're hearing this. Hi. It was so fun to see your face. We did improv together at Improv Olympic, also known as Iowest. We were on a long form team called Ready for this? Fluffers. Oh, Dorian, do you remember this? If you hear this, we were on a team called Fluffers. We would rehearse in her apartment and she was lovely and I'm so happy for her. She recently won an Emmy for casting Veep.

Jenna Fisher

Yes.

Angela Kinsey

So she's amazing Dorian. Oh my gosh. Flash from the past. So that was my other crossover connection with a guest star in this episode.

Jenna Fisher

Amazing Dwight has kind of zeroed in on re woman who is dressed like Angela, but not for the reasons we think.

Angela Kinsey

Well, he finds out when they're talking that she works at a place that does catalogs for community colleges and small businesses.

Jenna Fisher

They must use a lot of paper.

Angela Kinsey

I mean, at first we're like, is he attracted to her? No, he's just trying to make a huge paper sale. Yes, Jenna, there was a lot in deleted scenes of like, people just sort of chit chatting, trying to flirt, trying to meet people, make conversation. Well, Creed talks to Lynn.

Sam (Audio Engineer)

Oh.

Angela Kinsey

He tries to strike up conversation with her. You gotta hear it. How old are you? Wait, let me guess. 30? No, no, no. 60. 34. Cool beans.

Toyota Advertiser

Me too.

Jenna Fisher

What year were you born? Wow.

Angela Kinsey

I know. First of all, he leads off with, like, how old are you? Let me guess.

Katie Aselton

Like.

Angela Kinsey

And then he goes from 30 to 60. This is Creed trying to make small talk.

Jenna Fisher

Guys, I Remember I was in a bar once and a guy tried to flirt with me by asking me how much I weighed? And then he said, I bet I can guess. And then he picked me up without my consent and then said a number. Fellas, there's so much wrong with this. I hope we don't have to break it down for you, but like, don't do that.

Angela Kinsey

Yeah.

Jenna Fisher

All those things.

Angela Kinsey

Yeah. Don't say, as your pickup line, let me guess, your age or your weight.

Jenna Fisher

Yeah. Don't put your hands on a lady unless she invites you to so many things.

Angela Kinsey

So many things. But you know who did spark some interest in Lynn ultimately was Kevin.

Jenna Fisher

I know. And he's very charming in his just nervousness and honesty. And doesn't Brian kill it in the scene where he shows that she gave him her business card?

Angela Kinsey

Yes.

Jenna Fisher

It reminds me of that episode when they won their parking lot back from the five families.

Angela Kinsey

And he's like, sometimes you just need things to go your way.

Jenna Fisher

Yes. I mean, I'm getting goosebumps just thinking about it when he does that. Such a good actor.

Angela Kinsey

I know.

Jenna Fisher

Unfortunately, it looks like they're gonna have to close down the party. And Glove Girl never shows up.

Angela Kinsey

Michael doesn't want to leave. He wants to keep waiting it out and people stick around for a while. It's very sweet.

Jenna Fisher

Even Angela.

Angela Kinsey

Even Stanley.

Jenna Fisher

Yeah.

Katie Aselton

Yeah.

Angela Kinsey

And Oscar's ultimately like, no, come on, Michael, it's time. Let's all walk out together.

Jenna Fisher

We got mail.

Angela Kinsey

Okay.

Jenna Fisher

Aiden M. Wrote in to say, why did Michael never get to find the lady who left her glove in the blood drive van? It has driven me crazy. Even though he ends up with Holly and Diana P. Went on to say, why didn't this storyline continue? I asked Katie about it because I was curious.

Angela Kinsey

It just shows you how good of a job they did together in that scene that people wanted to see more of the Blood Drive Girl and Michael.

Jenna Fisher

Well, the message boards after this episode aired were all for Glove Girl. And here's what Katie had to say.

Katie Aselton

Oh, man, you guys. So here is the thing about my experience is that when I auditioned, it was with a caveat that it was a possible recurring character. And so all I wanted was to perform well and to impress and to be asked back. And it didn't happen. It didn't happen. And I'm sure they had their creative reasons, but oh, boy, I wanted nothing more. But I'm happy with the time I got, that's for sure.

Jenna Fisher

So I will tell you, story wise, why Glove Girl did not come Back. It was not because we were not completely charmed by Katie and her performance, because she crushed it, clearly. Yes. Michael has a talking head, and it's really written in this talking head. He says that this is the first time since Holly that he's even considered getting back into the dating Marina.

Angela Kinsey

Marina.

Jenna Fisher

The Marina, Like Cupid's sparrow.

Angela Kinsey

Yeah.

Jenna Fisher

And that was the story point of this episode was not to introduce a new love interest for Michael. They ultimately decided they were toying with this idea, but really it was just for Michael to feel like he could connect with someone again. But ultimately, they're going to keep him on this trajectory toward Holly, but because of this storyline, he's not going to be kind of as broken when he does finally reunite with her. Does that make sense?

Angela Kinsey

Yeah. No. He's hopeful. He's getting a little bit of his confidence back.

Jenna Fisher

Yes.

Angela Kinsey

And that's important.

Jenna Fisher

Yeah.

Angela Kinsey

Well, the whole gang is going to leave the building. And, Jenna, I just want you guys to know, when you watch us all exit, Mindy and I are just having a conversation.

Jenna Fisher

Yeah, I saw that.

Angela Kinsey

I'm gesturing to my hair. I don't know what we're talking about.

Jenna Fisher

You're very animated.

Angela Kinsey

Very animated. And then I feel like they sort of let us know that we were on camera, because then I'd go back to Angela Martin and I do these little awkward waves. Goodbye. But everyone is very pleasant and nice to one another.

Jenna Fisher

Michael's lonely hearts party was kind of a success.

Angela Kinsey

Yeah. I mean, they were all sort of lonely together.

Jenna Fisher

Yeah. This episode ends with a great tag.

Angela Kinsey

That's so funny.

Jenna Fisher

Found it. Very funny. Stanley goes into the bloodmobile, and he's got a little bandage on his arm. He's got a cotton ball with a little bit of medical tape. And he says, I'm so sorry I gave blood earlier, and I'm still feeling a little woozy. Do you have a cookie?

Angela Kinsey

Can I have one of those cookies?

Jenna Fisher

Right? And she says, you know what? You have a cotton ball and medical tape, but we're using band aids.

Angela Kinsey

Yeah. She's like, huh.

Jenna Fisher

Weird. And behind him, Phyllis walks up. He's making a quick exit, and he just goes band aid.

Angela Kinsey

And she's like, damn it.

Jenna Fisher

And then Creed leaves the truck with his blood in a bag or someone else's.

Angela Kinsey

I'm not sure to go where to do what.

Jenna Fisher

I don't know. But this is what Dwight has been worried about the whole episode.

Angela Kinsey

I know.

Jenna Fisher

Where is Dwight?

Angela Kinsey

I don't know. Well, that was blood drive everybody.

Jenna Fisher

That is blood drive everyone. I'm gonna go home. I'm gonna put on different shoes.

Angela Kinsey

Cool off your feet. Don't put on any shoes. Just take shoes off. It's like 95 degrees out. I encourage you to get a pair of flip flops.

Jenna Fisher

Yeah. And I guess I have to fix my hair.

Angela Kinsey

Well, you do have one guy that's going. He's like at attention. Just in your bangs.

Jenna Fisher

I'm growing my bangs out.

Angela Kinsey

Oh, so it's a transition.

Jenna Fisher

They're a strange length. It was a summer thing. We're moving into fall.

Angela Kinsey

Yeah, you gotta have your fall hairdo.

Jenna Fisher

That's right. I'm moving into. I don't know what my fall hairdo is yet, but we're transitioning out of bangs right now.

Angela Kinsey

I can't wait to see what your fall hairdo is.

Jenna Fisher

Well, I know I'm gonna get the truth from you. That's for sure.

Angela Kinsey

That's for sure.

Jenna Fisher

All right, everybody.

Angela Kinsey

I love you, lady. All right, guys, have a great week.

Jenna Fisher

We'll see you later. Thank you for listening to Office Ladies Second Drink.

Angela Kinsey

This episode was initially created in collaboration with Earwolf.

Jenna Fisher

Office Ladies is a presentation of Odyssey and is produced by Jenna Fisher and Angela Kinsey. Our senior producer is Matt Beagle.

Angela Kinsey

Our second Drinks episodes are produced by Molly Nugent.

Jenna Fisher

Our audio engineer is Sam Kiefer.

Angela Kinsey

Odyssey's executive producer is Leah Reese.

Jenna Fisher

Dennis. Office Ladies was mixed and mastered by by Bill Schultz.

Angela Kinsey

Our theme song is Rubber Tree by Creed Bratton.

Jenna Fisher

Lately I have been thinking a lot about choices, but especially about how good it feels when you make a decision that really works for you. Maybe you're committing to a long term goal like saving money for a new car, a future home, a vacation.

Angela Kinsey

It's being intentional about your choices and you're just giving yourself the biggest gift because you are planning for your future self. And you know that idea of making the right choices for you is something that State Farm really leans into. Prioritizing what matters most and having support along the way. While you're working towards these goals of things that are important to you, the

Jenna Fisher

State Farm personal price plan can help you create an affordable price. When you choose to bundle home and auto insurance, you have options to choose from to help best fit your needs.

Angela Kinsey

Talk to a State Farm agent today to learn how you can choose to bundle and save with their personal price plan. Like a good neighbor, State Farm is there.

Jenna Fisher

Prices are based on rating plans that vary by state. Coverage options are selected by the customer. Availability, amount of discounts and savings and eligibility vary by state.