Amy Coney Barrett Threatened, NYC Data Center Ban, OpenAI vs Apple| PBD Podcast #833

Tom

30 seconds. Did you ever think you were made again? Adam, what's your point?

Pat

The future looks bright. My handshake is better than anything I ever saw.

Amy Coney Barrett

It's right here.

Pat

You are one of one.

Tom

My son's right.

Pat

I don't think I've ever said this before. So let me get this straight. If you choose to become the Supreme Court justice.

Vinny

Yes.

Pat

How much risk do you have with that job?

Vinny

Huge.

Pat

Huge. So imagine you go in, choosing to have one of the most difficult jobs. You hate it. It's controversial, it's difficult. Then when you get death threats, you start siding with the other side, and your voting record changes. If that's a job you got, then don't be a Supreme Court justice. If you become a president or if you become a vice president, you say, I'm getting too many threats. If you become a military guy and you go to war and you're saying, hey, man, these enemies are trying to kill me, that's the job. Don't do the job. Go take a different job. Anyways, it's one of the top stories. I got a lot of thoughts on that with Amy Coney Barrett. Numbers came out. The fact that after she got the threat, she talked about how incredibly devastating it is, the types of threats she's getting, that she has to go home with a. What do you call it? With a bulletproof vest and explain to her sons that she's taken off. And I get that. But guess what? That's the job. That's the job. And we'll get into that story. I got a lot of thoughts on that specific story. Anyways, good to be with you guys. IBM stock drops 25 in a single day. Apparently the worst day they've had in how many years, Tom? 50, 60 years? They've never had a single day like this. IBM. And there's a. There's a tie with that story in H1B visas that they're mainly starting to hire their numbers. When I share it with you, gonna be like, wait a minute. The numbers drop like that. Yes. They had a certain expectation of hitting, I think, $16.1 billion. They fell short by, like, $2 billion. And the market's like, what happened here? This is a little weird. We'll address that. Amy Coney Baird, for sure. Spain beat France. Not gonna lie to you. I was hurt. I didn't like it. I was rooting for Mbappe. I'll just say it. I think Spain's the most boring team in the World cup so far. And every time I say that, they're the spurs of the 90s. They're the Cleveland Cavaliers of the 18. Craig Elo, Mark Price, Brad Daugherty, Tim Duncan, Derek. What was the guy's name? Parker. Justin. Boring. Boring. Team Spain is. But they're freaking good. They're very good. And Argentina beat England. Had to call my friend, man Paul, you know, he was all like, ready for $20,000 tickets. All this stuff, you know, we, you know, talking to, you know, I'm suggesting him, couple different sponsors to reach out to, to go through this challenging time with England. But there's a lot of story with Bellingham at the end slapping one of the players. Argentina holding the sign that they're not supposed to have a political message. The scene where Bellingham said something to Messi and a message, oh, really? Okay, no problem. Look what I'm gonna do, we can't even play that clip because the clip on X was taken down. Because anything with them are taking it down. But it's leading to Spain, Argentina. It's what it is. And there's a picture of Messi Vinny just showed us this morning of Lamine Lamar when he was a baby. And he's like almost giving him a bath, you know, and so I don't know what's happening. Yeah. At that time, but we'll see. And the interviews Messi's been doing, the stuff he's been saying, it's phenomenal. Trump's got a speech he's giving tonight.

Vinny

Yeah.

Pat

A lot of people are speculating on what happened. They're saying the speech was leaked to Wall Street Journal. Of course, all those leaks always happen accidentally. Nobody would ever leak the story to get headline and marketing and stuff that comes to it. Some of the things that they're going to be talking about is foreign,

Amy Coney Barrett

you

Pat

know, countries colluding in our elections.

Adam

No.

Pat

And some real, you know, real decisions and maybe even an executive order tonight. And we were hoping we can talk about it as well as the movie Odyssey, but it's not out yet. And so as much as we want to trash Odyssey, some people are saying it's a good movie. I don't know. I'm gonna go watch it. I'm gonna go watch it. Vinny told me it's like a 17 hour movie. Here we go again. One of these long three hour movies that you go and you have to prepare. By the way, when they do three hour movies are commercials, like two hours as well. Like do them. Do they do one hour of commercials for three hour movies? Yeah, it's like a Four hour. It's a full day. You're committing to the drive, the food, the parking, the, you know, too much. Anyways, we'll see. We'll see what that. But Trump is giving a speech tonight, OpenAI. Apparently it's. Corporate espionage is taking place between OpenAI and Apple. And guess who was defending Apple. A guy who's a trillionaire is defending Apple. Not surprised because of Sam Altman. But apparently this is some really ugly, ugly, nasty stuff that OpenAI is doing. We have to address this then. A same sex couple. This is a Vinny story. Vinny's bothered by this. A same sex couple that paid for a surrogate to have a kid. And apparently the kid comes out in a way they're not happy about it, with some health issues and they're trying to sue the girl, if I'm not mistaken. Am I saying that correctly? Am I roughly there?

Vinny

Yeah. They're suing her because there's a birth defect that they didn't with the kids sign up for.

Tom

They wanted her to abort the defective kid so they could go have another surrogate with a perfect kid.

Pat

And she said, that's just not what I'm gonna do.

Vinny

Yeah.

Tom

And by the way, I'm not stretching that. That's exactly.

Pat

We'll talk about that. And Taco Bell, by the way, if you guys been eating a Taco Bell. Rayo Kero. Taco Bell. The whole situation with this one new virus that we spent 45 minutes this morning, honestly, they were trying to teach me how to pronounce this word. Because this is going to be another one of those moments where you guys question my English as my fifth language. And I welcome you to do it. It's going to be okay. But I'd love to see how you pronounce it to all the perfect people out there that think they speak perfect English. You go on and say this word. What is it? Cyclosperosis?

Vinny

Cyclosporiasis.

Pat

Did I say it correctly or no? Go ahead, Adam.

Adam

I'm going to give you the. I'm going to give you the thumbs up. You got that one?

Pat

Whatever.

Amy Coney Barrett

It's.

Pat

It is what it is. I'm taking Hooked on Phonics and I'm taking other classes, but we're getting there.

Adam

Eventually. Work for you.

Pat

We. We'll figure this thing out then. AI Data Center. Something happened with AI Data Centers in New York where they're the first state that's saying the screw. You know, the hell with AI Data Center. So what does that really mean? We'll address that. And last but not least, if you're in the military, you're 30 years old and you have low T. There's a guy named Pete Hex said that wants to increase your T. Okay. He wants to increase your testosterone level, especially if you're in the military. He wants a bunch of jacked, benching two plates 20 times type of guy, squatting three plates, big legs, you know.

Vinny

Yeah.

Pat

Big arms. He wants those types of guys. So he's kind of like the old school Russian style of, you know, in Russia, most of the military guys, you would look at those Russians you knew.

Vinny

Oh, yeah.

Pat

That was like a picture perfect commercial for, you know, testosterone or sipping it or any of that stuff. Yeah. And that was just a woman. Tom, you're funny. Anyways, with that being said, before we get into the stories, every year we do this one event. It's a very, very special event. Very, very special event. We allow business owners and people to come into our headquarters where we give you a tour and we make introductions for people to do business together. Last year we did the pre Vault conference networking event. We're doing it again this year at our property. I'll let you know how to do it. It'll be June 29th at 6pm to 8pm Then some of the folks afterwards will go to our private cigar lounge to network with each other, smoke cigars, have drinks, etc. Etc. I want you to watch what happened here last year at our networking event that we did at our property. Go for it.

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Pat

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Amy Coney Barrett

So I thought I would just share a little bit about how the threats have affected me and my family personally. They have required me to. My children to think about and see things that children should not have to see or think about. One example is when threats to my life were particularly intense. A few years ago, around the time of the Dobbs leak, my security detail sent me home with a bulletproof vest and I carried it into my house, put it into my bedroom, dropped it down on a table, turned around, and my 12 year old son was standing in the doorway of my bedroom and he wanted to know what it was and why I had it. And I didn't know how to respond because maybe I lack imagination. But I didn't expect that performing this service was going to put me in the position of explaining to my children what a bulletproof vest was and why I had to wear one. It's also been reported in the news that roughly six weeks ago, I was the victim of a swatting incident. At that point, my teenage son, one of my teenage sons, opened the door to go out with friends and saw in our street. It was full of police cars who had responded to a false report of gunshots and raised voices in my home. I was very, very grateful that I had Supreme Court police outside my home because they were able to stop and meet with and explain to the county police that it had been a false alarm. And so the police did not actually attempt to enter.

Pat

You can pause it right there. So, by the way, devastating. This should not be happening. Nobody should have to go through this, especially Amy, who is only in her early 50s. You can tell she's very young and she's got seven kids. Her and her husband have seven kids together starting from 25 to 20 to 18, 15, 13 and 12. I believe they have seven kids. If I'm not mistaken, it's six or seven kids. Big family. This shouldn't happen. However, don't take the job. Don't take the job. Because watch what happened when they try to push another guy for the same job. And look how he reacted. Look at the difference. Go for it. I'd rather die than withdraw. Look at Joe Biden, how he looks at him. If they're gonna kill me, they're gonna kill me. Just watch this. Wait for it. This episode is brought to you by Google Chrome. You think you know a browser, but Gemini and Chrome? That's new. It can help you with practically anything on the like restoring a vintage motorcycle from a 50 page restoration block. Or finally break down that long article you've had open for weeks. Gemini and Chrome is here for it, ready to make anything online make sense. There's no place like Chrome. Check responses Setup required Compatibility and availability Various 18 Chronic migraine is 15 or more headache days a month, each lasting

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Tom

So you'd still like to serve on the Supreme Court?

Pat

I'd rather die than withdraw from the process. I don't like bullies. Listen. Say it. Look at Biden. Nothing for the purpose of serving on the Supreme Court, but for the purpose of not being driven out of this process. Wait for it. I would not be scared. I don't like bullies. Bingo. I've never run from bullies. I never cry uncle. And I'm not gonna cry uncle today, whether I wanna be on the Supreme Court or not.

Vinny

So I thought, I love him.

Pat

So you see the difference there? So here's the thing. So one could sit there and say, well, why don't you sympathize with her?

Tom

We do.

Pat

But this is a very, very important job. If you wanna go to my Twitter account, what I said about it, I mean, I'll just pull it up here on what I have is if this job comes with threats, this job is risky. This job has a lot of pressure. This job isn't for everybody. But if you're scared for your life, then quit. My suggestion, Amy Coney Barrett should resign and step out of the way. You should. And by the way, we shouldn't judge her for. Shouldn't be like, she's a quitter.

Vinny

She's.

Pat

No, no. If you realize you're in a. I had A guy one time, he told me this, and I'll come to you guys because I want to hear your thoughts. And to me, this is the most important story. You know why this is the most important story? What have we Learned the last 6 years? Who has all the power in America? Supreme Court. There is no story bigger than this, in my opinion. If all of a sudden they scare the crap out of you, go from 81% conservative to 50%, step the hell out of the way. One time, a guy who was on my board, he said to me, says, pat, I can't do these board meetings anymore. I said, why not? Because I'm getting anxiety. I said, really? He says, I'm not even comfortable presenting in front of the board. It makes me really nervous. I said, no problem. Let's have a meeting. I said, which? Which part of it? And we had a cordial conversation. One of the best employees ever had in my life, by the way. Phenomenal. One of the best employees ever had in my life. But we sat down, we had a conversation, we removed the responsibility, gave it to somebody else, and he crushed the responsibilities that were left with him. That's okay. It's okay. If Amy Coney Barrett says, this is too much pressure, resignation. But if you're going to vote in a different way because they're scaring you, you're impacting the people who this is going to affect for the next few decades. Few decades? Few decades. Yesterday, Rogan and Vance were speaking, and one of the things that came up was that Rogan said, it's almost as if Democrats want to be able to cheat. Cuz who has a hard time giving IDs out. Joe is saying this very common sense conversation with Vance, and he says, you know, even during. What do you call it, Covid, they wanted me to have a vaccine card. ID card. I think he's saying something like that. What's the big deal? These are the types of things that Amy Coney Barrett impacts. I'm sorry, I have a very hard time. Call me black and white, whatever you want to call me. This job's not for everybody. Get a Josh Hawley in there. Get a Cruise in there.

Tom

Get a.

Pat

Who's the guy I like the most? Trey Gowdy. Get a Trey Gowdy in there. Get some of these guys in there who, by the way, if Trey says I don't want to do. Because I talked to Trey once, too much pressure, don't do it. But get somebody in there that wants the job and knows the threats that comes with it. I'll pause. I've been going on rant for a while. Tom, your thoughts on this?

Tom

Well, first I got some facts for people. Threats against senators, congressmen and Supreme Court justices. Apparently the FBI.

Pat

Yep.

Tom

Investigates 20 some threats that are maybe credible threats a week. In other words, lunatic sends an email or they intercept something but nothing comes of it. The person was just blowing off steam. Make some comments. That seems pretty regular. Do you know how many actual assassination attempts against Supreme Court justice there have been? 3. The first happened in 1889 and it was Supreme Court Justice Stephen Field. He was tracked and being stalked and so he hired a security guard and at a train station in California he was attacked by the stalker. And the security guard. 1889 with a Colt.45, shot him dead. It was a bona fide assassination attempt. The next one would happen 100 years later. Harry Blackmun. Who's Harry Blackmunk? The author of Roe V. Wade. In 1985, a bullet was fired through a window of his house from an assailant outside that fled. But it was a bonafide assassination attempt. Apparently the guy was trying to follow the shadow of him. You know, even if you have the curtains pulled, Pat, they can see your shadow walking. He was, he was trying to make the hit. So it wasn't just a drive by, it was a bonafide attempt. And he was the Roe v. Wade author. You know, when the Next one happened, 2022, it was Brett Kavanaugh. Brett Kavanaugh. Nick Rusky traveled from California, had a Glock, pepper spray, map of Kavanaugh's house, overview of police detail, zip ties. So he was ready to do it. Apparently he had a mental breakdown and he called 911 on himself, Pat. So thank goodness whatever happened there. Now, Dobbs leak happened in early 2022, before the Kavanaugh. This guy was triggered by Dobbs and went to Kavanaugh's house and Amy Comey Barrett, when was she confirmed? October of 2020. Remember, remember what went down with that is that Trump 45 got her done just two weeks before the election. And there was all the controversy for the Senate, but the Senate got her done 2020 for the election. Why do I bring this up? She knew she was coming into a really hot time and a really intense time not only for America, but to be on the Supreme Court and then to see what's happened with Kavanaugh. That was a bona fide threat that could have gone very, very badly. And I agree with you. Look, if the situation is just so intense right now, and there is no shame in saying zero. I can't put my. And by the way, imagine her with all those children. How do I get security for every school, every date, every athletic event they go to to protect all of my children and my family. And it may just be something that she says I can't do it. But what's interesting, we're entering into a time now, thanks to Dobbs and other things, we've only had three of those full attempts on record and won. The bodyguard, 1889 shot the guy. But we live in a different world now, Vinnie.

Vinny

And by the way, she's the only female scotus. Correct. Although ones Ketanji Brown and all the other ones are all left. They're all Democrats, correct?

Tom

Oh, yeah.

Pat

She's the only conservative team.

Vinny

So she's the only one. And it's like. But. And it's sad, but I mean, there

Tom

was Sandra Day o'.

Vinny

Connor. Tom. How many times how. I've been on this podcast, Pat, for what, four years now? Is it just me? I'm not saying the other side, the Republican converter side, isn't violent. There's crazy people everywhere. But when it comes to this type of stuff, it's as if it's only coming from one side. The Supreme Court exists for what?

Tom

It's not as if. Keep on your thought. But I got to interrupt you and say it's not as if it is.

Vinny

Okay, thank you, Tom. It's what's its job, Tom. Supreme Court uphold the Constitution. Not to bend to. To intimidation. Okay? If a violent threat could change the way that you're deciding rules, Pat, then the mob has the power of the law and that cannot freaking happen. That's why I love that you said, with all due respect, you can't take the heat. You have to get out of the kitchen. And I feel so bad for you think. You think we're happy that her 12 year old has to sit there and go, hey, what's that? And she's like, oh, it's a bulletproof vest because they want to kill mommy. Okay? But if fear is influencing your judgment, you have no business to be in the highest court. You in the country, you made a great point. I think it was like two weeks ago, Pat, where you're like, at the end of the day with all the noise and all the fluff, when it comes down to these people, they're making the decisions. And when it comes to the serious ones, they're kind of leaning towards the. The right decision. With the decision, Tom, are six you know, 63 or whatever, whatever the number is. But we cannot let these people win. And how many times, Tom, every time we're trying to do something to help the country with interfering with the ICE agents, murdering of Charlie Kirk, God rest his soul, even on their own side. Remember Melissa Hortman? She tried to vote against giving illegals health care. They shot and killed her at her house. And who's doing it? You think a Republican did it? No, it's people of the same freaking party, Pat. So if that kind of behavior succeeds in changing Supreme Court decisions, then the rule of law is under attack, and we have. We can't. We can't do it. And I'm sorry.

Tom

And the Senate election is more important.

Vinny

Get a desantis in there.

Pat

This job is a risky job.

Vinny

Yeah.

Pat

This is not for everybody. I fully understand, Amy. I get it. If she was my wife, I would say, babe, hey, it's time. You're going. And kids are not safe. And this is what's happening. Hey, let's figure something out. So, Adam, your thoughts?

Adam

Well, pbd, I think it's actually a very important discussion. We don't really talk about the Supreme Court all that often. Trump gets all the media attention, Iran, everything that's going on. But I think you bring up a very interesting conversation. So we may be respectfully being a little unfair to her, because if you look at her voting record, she's actually pretty damn conservative. I mean, the way that it goes, Tom kind of broke it down. There's nine justices at the Supreme Court. You have the conservative wing and the liberal wing, the conservatives, by far. Clarence Thomas, he's like 10 out of 10 conservative. And then you got Alito, who's like, right behind him. Interestingly enough, the next conservative, if you look at their voting record, goes Gorsuch, then Amy Comey Barrett, then Kavanaugh. Having a beer with him would be fun. Then what they call, like, center right. Justice Roberts, and then center right. Then you have this huge, wide gap between the three female liberal judges. Elena Kagan, Katangi Brown, Jackson. Sorry, Ms. Jackson. And Sotomayor, who's, like, the most liberal Obama inductee ever. But here's what I see. I see six conservatives legit, some are center right, and three liberals. I understand this is a tough job. And, you know, pbd, you always say, what's the number one job of a mom, a mama bear, Safety and security of her kids. If she feels threatened for her kids, maybe she could consider stepping down. But as far as what she's done for the country. As far as her voting rights, abortion, affirmative action, second amendment, religious liberties, parents not transing their kids, she's been pretty damn conservative. So I'll tip my cap to her on that.

Vinny

But the Dobbs decision though was Roe v. Wade.

Pat

I think. I think Adam missed the first three minutes of the clip that we had where the main analysis is how it changed.

Vinny

Yeah.

Pat

So maybe you went on ChatGPT and said who's the most conservative? After Dobbs it changed Guy. After Dobbs it changed. Dobbs was what year? Did you see the dates? So she may have been very conservative. Pre.

Vinny

Nope.

Pat

After Dobbs, June 2022 she got in October of 20 after that she dropped off. So you know, if, if that when you see numbers like that happen because of an event that takes place, I'm going to sit there and have serious conversations with you and see and by the way, how often has a Supreme Court justice stepped down, stepped down and resigned? How many times has that happened in the past where they just.

Vinny

And not.

Pat

Not because of anything controversial for family reasons, for non controversial reasons. How many times have Supreme Court.

Tom

That's a great question.

Pat

They usually for non controversial reasons.

Vinny

Yeah, normally it's just age. Yeah.

Pat

I don't know if it's happened or not. But guess what? This may be a good time for us to consider this. Okay. There's been 116 different people that have served the Supreme Court. 107 are no longer serving 109 which meant nine. So if you mean true resignations, not retirement. Zoom in a little bit, John Jay. Well, that's a long time ago. 1795.

Vinny

Yeah.

Pat

Oliver Ellsworth.

Vinny

Ellsworth, Tom's great, great uncle. Come on.

Adam

Surprise.

Tom

Chief J.

Adam

100 Tom.

Pat

Your great grandfather, Evan Hughes, 1916 to run for president. Abe Fortis, 1969amid ethics controversy. I'm not looking for that. So the short answer is most left through retirement. Genuine resignations are uncommon. Well, let this be the first one. Let us be the first one. Or get hardcore security and go back to the way you truly vote. Not letting the other people scare the crap out of you where, you know, when it comes down to birthright citizenship, it's that complicated of an issue for you to vote against for that's not, you know, or you know, voter ID or other things. Anyway, so to me the biggest concern with the story is her way of voting changed after Dobbs because the threats that she got and that cannot happen. You can't have something like that happen.

Adam

Adam, I hear you Loud and clear. Yes, I did hear the first three minutes, sir. I'm just asking a simple question. You know, they say, like, correlation doesn't necessarily mean causation. Did it actually change after that, or do the cases change?

Pat

Just showed you the numbers.

Vinny

Because.

Adam

What's that?

Pat

I just showed you the numbers right there.

Adam

No meaning. Did the cases change to the point where she's like. Because, look, here's what I know, and this is not the Hill. I'm going to die. And I promise you this. Her mentor is who? Anton Scalia. Very conservative guy. What they basically say about this lady, this conservative justice, is that she's reliably. Reliably conservative, but she's unpredictable. They actually want that in a justice where they're not just voting across.

Pat

I don't have a problem with unpredictability. Is it fair to say that the Dobbs decision was the most controversial decision we had the last 20 years, the last 50 years. Is it fair to say so? So how many people were furious over the Dobbs decision? A lot of people. Well, guess what? Scared of crap. Maybe it scared the crap out of her. You know, and then. And you're laying in bed at night with your husband saying, babe, I don't know if this. Is that worth it. You know, maybe let's pump the brakes a little bit. Maybe let's. It's not worth. To have the risk for the kids. You don't think those types of conversations happen out then when you're laying next to your wife and your husband like, hey, oh, let's change it. You don't think they're doing it? Of course that conversation took place 100%. Of course it did.

Adam

Do you think.

Tom

And they're at home talking about Kavanaugh. How was work today? Yeah, Brett Kavanaugh. A guy was at his house. He was armed. He had everything he had made.

Pat

Don't take the job.

Tom

Oh, my gosh, honey, what if someone sucks?

Pat

Oh, my God. You know, the president got. There was an assassination attempt on him. He's the freaking president. Oh, my God. You know, such and such. They try to foul him. Hey, did you see the Detroit Pistons try to hurt Michael Jordan? Yes. Don't come through the middle. Oh, my God. That's. That's just not.

Vinny

Yeah.

Pat

Kind of what happens when you get that. That kind of a. So, yeah, to me, I'm just. I think. I think it's something that she ought to consider and move on and have her life where I'm at with this. Okay, let's go to the next story,

Tom

Senate is vital in November.

Pat

Next story. Tonight, Trump speech. A lot of people are saying, what's the guy going to be talking about? You know, what's he going to be saying? All of a sudden he's given a speech on Thursday. Yesterday he puts a tweet out about Iran released. A girl that was a hostage is over here now and he says, hey, this was a good move. This was under Biden, but now is this. And then they bombed them. There's attacks, all this stuff that's going on. So what is the speech going to be about? Well, apparently the speech is. Yeah, right there. Iran has allowed an American citizen who was wrongfully detained in December of 2024 for the President of sleepy Joe Biden to leave the country. She is now safely outside of Iran and is in good condition. The United States of America appreciates this gesture of goodwill from Iran. Okay, so where's that going with. Let me read this to you. So we kind of have an idea. So Trump is to address Iran. Do you guys see my glasses? Here we go. Trump to address Iran. Election integrity in primetime speech tonight. This is an Axios story. President Trump primetime speech Thursday night from the White House is slated to include election integrity, an update on Iran, whether whatever else he seems important to Messini advisor, Tele Axios. It will be a potpourri dough ever available to reporters. Trump hasn't given many primetime direct to camera speeches from the White House. He wants to do more of them, the advisor said. Trump announced on Truth Social on Monday that he plans to give a speech to the nation on Thursday at 9:00pm Eastern Standard Time. The specifics beyond that, we're in the White House and the expected topics are less certain. But two issues are on top of mind. Iran, election integrity. Tom, what do you know about the speech tonight?

Tom

So this wasn't leaked. The White House wants to make sure that people know that those are gonna be the two core things. And they're trying to get out in front of all the armchair quarterbacking, which I think is smart. I think it's smart for the president to let a reliable news outlet, you know, the general outline of what he's going. Because you want, you know, Americans to tune in. What's he gonna talk. I'm talking about Iran. I'm talking about election integrity. And I think what's, what's really coming up here is also is to talk. If he's going to talk about election integrity, he's got to talk about what everybody has been talking about the last week, even People that are moderate and not necessarily a full conservative have been on CNBC talking about. Now we know this was an absolute fraud. What do you networks say about it? Chamath was on saying that on cnbc, calling the networks up. So I think this is good news to hear. It makes me want to tune in and hear what my president has to say about election integrity, about November. How are we going to keep November lined up? And then also we hear about Georgia. That may be Ossoff and Warnock. Maybe they were, maybe they weren't. Maybe there are some oddities. I'm going to call them oddities. So we don't get a letter that were in the electoral system there. And maybe they would have won, maybe they wouldn't. Who knows? But Georgia a little iffy. I love the fact he's going to be talking about it, but overall I want him to be talking about somewhere in this is not only talk about Iran and not only talk about the election, but also talk about affordability.

Pat

Yeah.

Tom

And by the way, I want to see that.

Pat

Interesting you're saying that because Ossoff says Trump has Georgia election obsession. He said Trump fears losing the midterms and will retreat, reheat debunked election conspiracy theories to deny his 2020 defeat and attack voting rights. He argued that renewed fraud claims would force Collins to embrace theories that have performed poorly in general election. Trump's obsession with Georgia election revealed his fury that black voters were instrumental to his defeat, Ossoff said, while seeking support for voter protection. And an FBI investigation in Fulton county is ongoing. A judge recently rejected a Justice Department subpoena seeking extensive personal information about thousands of Fulton county election workers and volunteers, calling it a staggering overreach. A judge said the statute of limitations has expired and a request covered and unjustifiably bribed, period. Adam, your thoughts on this?

Adam

So the speech is going to be tonight, correct?

Vinny

9:00pm okay.

Adam

So we don't know exactly what he's gonna say. But you know, the one thing that I find interesting, we talk about Iran, we talk about United States. You know who we don't often talk about the most are Iran's neighbors. So we often hear about, you know, Israel, US Versus Iran. Here's what I think Trump is doing. I think he's basically saying, hey, guys, Oman, uae, Bahrain, Kuwait, Saudi, Lebanon, Syria, all these countries. It says you got to pick a side at this point, guys, because, you know, they say clean up your neighborhood, clean up your house before you start telling other people what to do. This neighborhood has basically been abducted by Iran's radical philosophy. And what Trump has done is made all these Middle Eastern Arab countries pick a side. So what have we seen conclusively? We've seen countries like the UAE aligned fully with America and almost Israel. They signed the Abraham Accords, Bahrain, Jordan, Kuwait, Saudi even. My opinion is some of these countries are going to recognize Israel is actually not the bad guy. Iran is the bad guy. We should really, really consider signing the Abraham Accords and let's do everything in our power to basically snuff out Iran the easy way or the hard way. But at the end of the day, Iran's got to go, the IRGC's got to go and the Middle Eastern countries got to step up in order to do it.

Vinny

Vinny, listen, if my opinion, Pat, there's, there's no reason that he, because they've reported the CIA is going to be there, Radcliffe is going to be there, FBI, odni, dhs. This isn't going to be some rinky dink, you know, speech about. Me and Tom talked about this yesterday, Pat. I think it's going to be serious. And you know it's serious when people like AOC in the left don't want it to come out this. They have an ethical obligation that networks not to air his speech so they know what's coming. Okay. And if I had to guess, and this is my opinion, Pat, the allegations are going to be about China and their involvement. Tom, you mentioned Warnock and also, Pat, I've been saying this for years and I know I've been saying it on this podcast, I believe my opinion that China is our enemy. They're not our adversary, they're our enemy. And I think the deep state with them. You want to talk about collusion, I think Covid wasn't by accident. It was released on purpose, Pat, because of the attitude that Trump had towards China with the trade, with the tariffs and all of a sudden in an election year, Tommy, a freaking virus comes out of a lab that Fauci, who got a freaking blanket 10 year pardon comes out and nobody gets in trouble for it. I think that's what's going to happen, Pat. And I think it's going to be tied to somewhat with the SAVE act because let's just be honest, the left cheats. And if they're not going to win, that's why the SAVE act is not getting passed. They don't want to have any ideas for any voters, Pat. And guess what? If they don't like you, they will threaten you. They will Try to assassinate you. Look at Trump and look at even our Supreme Court justices. We just had that conversation. They will threaten you and try to scare you into voting and helping them out.

Pat

Yeah, I agree. I agree. I think.

Adam

Can I ask you a question?

Pat

Yeah, go for it.

Adam

I'm sorry, were you about to say something?

Pat

I was just going to show what AOC said here. If you want to play this clip, AOC on Trump and anatomy come to you.

Tom

Go for it.

Pat

Watch this, folks. Speech, Speech. You know, he's basically doing made for TV broadcast about election fraud and conspiracy

Tom

theories and all the rest.

Amy Coney Barrett

I, I don't think that we should be contributing to any platforming of lies about our election. And so I think that, you know, I mean, many of.

Vinny

She's so smart.

Amy Coney Barrett

Many news outlets oftentimes may receive transcripts. And I think that we, we have an ethical obligation to not air things that undermine our election that are not

Vinny

rooted in imposter rights. In fact, did you hear, by the way, did you guys notice, Adam, not to cut you off really fast, the bias in the question? Yes. Midas touching. But it's like they're leading her, like all the conspiracy and everything. She's obviously, they're giving her a softball that she couldn't even hit. She's bumbling as a, as, as even as an answer, Adam.

Adam

Yeah, I agree with Vinnie on that. I want AOC to talk publicly way more often. I don't hear enough from her because the more that she talks, she just exposes herself. I want the DSA out there advocating, trying to rip up the Constitution. People with common sense.

Vinny

She will be the candidate.

Adam

Let's see. I hope she is. I swear that. But pbd, I could be wrong on this. Why is Trump continue to go back to the Georgia election fraud situation? There may be something there. I'm not saying there's not. But do you think that's a winning message while they're going into midterms? Do you think that's what the average voter cares about at this point? Well, you know, they say he's playing 3D chess. What do you think Trump is doing on this?

Pat

Well, I mean, you have to realize he got one of the big things that they wanted to pass that didn't pass and it was voter id. And yesterday JD Vance is on Rogan and one of the main topics is what? Voter id.

Vinny

Yes.

Pat

And so why are they talking about voter id? Why is that coming? Here's a clip if you want to play it. Watch this.

Tom

And I think they cheat and I

Vinny

think they've been doing it forever and

Tom

I don't think there's any other reason why you would have no voter id. And they try to say, oh, it's racist to have voter id. Like, what are you talking about? Do you think other races are incapable of going to the dmv? That's insane. That's racist.

Vinny

Actually super racist implication of their argument

Adam

is literally like blacks and Hispanics cannot

Vinny

go to the DMV to get an id. But by the way, if you look

Adam

at the polling, black Americans are as pro voter id.

Vinny

Even though most black Americans vote Democrat,

Pat

they're still pro voter ID as much as they have integrity. You can pause it, right? So you're asking a question. Why is he going back to Georgia? So go to the seven states that are going to matter, right? Go to what happened with Ossoff being somebody that potentially could be a candidate on the left. You keep hearing about this guy named Ossoff who's a rising star. That name is coming up all the flipping time. This guy's a sequencing guy. He's not doing this for the hell of it. Voter ID didn't go through. Midterms are around the corner. And if they have something, well, then show it. Show it. If they have something. If they have something, show it. But if they keep going to it without being able to show anything, it's gonna be. It's gonna backfire on them. So maybe they have something today because one of the things they're talking about is executive decision that he may be making tonight that he's announcing. And no one really fully knows what that's going to be about.

Vinny

And Pat just. And Adam, why it's so important. Republican Georgia, you know why it's so significant. In 2020, the margin was 12,000 votes. Like, that's not something small. And if you look back, they were covering up the voting thing. They didn't want people to look at the voters. All the late night drops. And by the way, going back to Covid, Covid was just a mail in ballot freaking scam. It's like, dude, it's very, very important. And I know, and again, I saw the parts of the podcast with Joe. He's right. They're cheating, bro. If you don't want people to see you voting, I mean, counting the votes, you're hiding something, you're cheating. If you don't want to check people's idea and you had an open border for four years, give me another excuse. Give me something that's not cheating. Like bring in 8 million people. And then how it's illegal to ask for their id.

Pat

So, Adam, it's simple for me.

Adam

Yes, sir.

Pat

For me, voter ID is a top three issue. So for him, he has to keep that in there lingering for that to eventually click. If I asked eight years ago, you think Dobbs is ever going to pass and change? I'm willing to bet 80% would say hell no. Guess what? He pulled that off. Not easy. Amy Coney Barrett was a part of that. And now he has to create a little bit more pressure for people to say, you know, I think something could happen with that. By the way, based on Kalshee, here's what Kalshee has on what he's going to be talking about tonight. It's $723,000. If you haven't placed a position, you may want to go on Kalshee and take a look at this and create an account. But what is at the top? At the top, it's what, what's the blue elections. 97% chance he's going to talk about election Save America act. Makes sense to me. Democrats, Chinese, China, Biden deal, settle. Nuclear oil, Communist communism, Venezuela, hottest. Oh, these are words that he's going to be using the most. That is so funny. Huge is not on there. Alien block it. I'm surprised huge didn't make it. I'm surprised Hughes didn't make it. Adam, did you have a follow up or no?

Adam

I just. Number one, you answered my question. Because I think I said what you're saying is it's a means to an end. It's really not about the Georgia thing.

Pat

No, it's not.

Adam

It's the Georgia opens the window to talking about the save.

Pat

I think so.

Adam

That's what you said.

Pat

I think so. It's a good question you're asking. And, and I, I think I would do that if I'm in a position like that. I'm going to be like, guys, no, no, this story can't go away. No, no, keep it in there. Keep it in there. Keep, keep the mouthpieces debating this and arguing this. Let, let, let's keep that story going. That's what I think. Let's go to the next one. Next one I want to get into is open. AI allegedly stole from Apple and they're calling this industrial espionage. That was the word that Tom was using. He's like, pat, this is, this is industrial espionage. And so it's a very big story. Let me, let me, I'll go through the addendum first and I'LL go to the other one, I think. Page 24. Is that the one? Tom, what page do you have it on on this store? This is a massive main story name

Tom

10 is where it starts for you.

Pat

It's main 10. See, I don't have it on my main 10. Can I get your notes? Mine doesn't say maintenance, so I went to main 10 and I don't have it. Which one do you have as maintenance? Okay, let me read this to you. Apple sues OpenAI alleging trade secret theft says scheme was at every level CNBC story Apple on Friday sued Open AI in federal court Northern California alleging trade secret theft, saying that the artificial Intelligence lab took the iPhone's marker intellectual property in order to develop its own consumer hardware. This much is clear, however, at every level, from members of its technical staff to its chief trade secrets and confidential information, the company said in a legal filing. It's a shocking reversal for the two companies which entered into a high profile partnership in 2024 when ChatGPT was integrated into the iPhone's operating system. OpenAI CEO Sam Altman visited Apple's headquarters for the announcement, but relations between the two companies have chilled since OpenAI announced plans to enter the hardware industry last year when it bought former Apple designer John I've startup called IO product for $6.4 billion. Apple's updated version of its Sirius system, which is coming out this fall, is based on Google's Gemini models instead of chatgpt. Most of Apple's allegations involve former employees who have interviewed who with or join Open Air. Apple alleges that OpenAI's chief hardware officer, Tank Tan, who is a former Apple vice president, has directed Apple Employees interviewing at OpenAI to share Apple secrets as part of the interviewing process. What he has directed job candidates still working at Apple to bring actual parts from Apple to their interviews for show and tell sessions in which he and his team at OpenAI can elicit still more Apple confidential information. Apple said in the filing. That is insane. Tom, your thoughts on the story.

Tom

So this is gonna get really, really big and the question is gonna be who's got the biggest lobbyist or the biggest proxy balls with the Department of Justice and the Department of and the Federal Trade Commission, I'll tell you why. So on one hand they're saying oh no, no, no. In an interview like I'm interviewing you, Pat.

Pat

Yep.

Tom

Hey Pat, you know you worked at Apple. Tell me about some of the projects you worked on. Did you really work on it? Were you involved? Are you some out right those are fine questions on your resume. Here it says you directed the project. Did you direct or were you just involved?

Pat

I was. I directed the project.

Tom

These are standard interview, right? You're sorting it out because, you know, Vinnie, some people say they did more than they did, of course. Well, the line gets crossed is, do you have any schematics or anything? And the allegations are people were encouraged to come to the meeting with printouts or other schematics or things to talk about what they did. And then all of a sudden, OpenAI allegedly had. Suddenly you're in an interview with 10 people, supposedly. So if that's what happened, that's bad. What's even worse is there are allegations of documentation that they said, hey, Vinnie, Pat, you know, when you leave Apple, the following three things are going to happen on your laptop with the security team. If you do this, this, and this. You can evade the security detection if you want to, you know, bring any of that with you. Here's what's dangerous about this. What kind of salaries have we been hearing about top hires in Silicon Valley? We've been talking about ridiculous. Ridiculous.

Pat

Dana White in an interview the other day said he's. He sits on a board of Metta. He says, Mark Zuckerberg is the biggest badass I met in my life. Dana said in an interview, yeah, he paid four engineers a $65 million year salary.

Vinny

What?

Pat

Did you hear what I just said?

Vinny

Four.

Pat

Okay, can you find this clip? META says four employees. That's the one right there. Play that clip. Can you make watches, folks?

Vinny

No. No sound.

Pat

I just got back from a Meta board meeting. Zuckerberg, who was a brilliant gangster, this guy, gangster. These people who, who try to talk about him and everything else. I'm so blown away and impressed by this guy. He's an animal. And putting all the chips in on AI. We just hired like 10 kids that are aged 22 to 28. The average salary is like $65 million that these kids are making that are coming in AI. And they don't have a lot of negativity about AI. There's way more positives about AI. Did you hear that? So, 22 to 28 years old, average salary, $65 million.

Tom

So when, when they're trying to hire

Pat

you in a war going on right now in Silicon Valley. So this is what Tom's talking about.

Tom

So basically the allegation that's even worse. It's bad enough to say, you know, tell me what you did at Apple. Interview question. Hey, bring a couple things with you and show them to him. And all of a sudden you have a panel interview. That's bad, that's illegal. You're putting the applicant in bad situation. And if that's the way it happened, that sort of thing would be illegal. I'm not the judge and jury on this. But then there have been documents and emails found where they told them exactly how to evade Apple Security. When you leave your job and come over here and you're talking about, we don't know what the salaries are, but what Dana White was just talking about is just how big the war is for talent. And so this thing, this industrial espionage, this is gonna be huge. The last time we've seen things this huge, we had a giant one that happened in Formula One where Ferrari guys, McLaren guys stole secrets from Ferrari guys. They told the Ferrari guys to go have them printed out at Kinko's when there was a Kinkos. And then the McLaren guys went in there and faked the ID and picked them up. So it was just. It's crazy, but industrial. ESPN has been going on for a while, but this is huge. What's also big is a number of people that are lining up against Sam Altman, including Elon Musk.

Pat

You have the clip of what he said about Elon Musk. Elon is not a fan of Sam at all.

Vinny

He calls him Scam Altman.

Pat

Yeah, he is not. Names always match in there. Yeah, he's not. Adam, your thoughts on this?

Adam

Yeah, you guys, you're absolutely right with the Elon thing. You know, when did Chat GPT open? I came out, I think November of 2022. Does that make sense? Since then, I feel like everything with Sam Altman has been drama and beef. You bring up the Elon Musk thing. He calls him what, Scam Altman. It's interesting. Do you remember, I think, Tommy remember this? He was CEO. He was fired, then rehired. There was also, like, there was almost like a revolt within the company.

Tom

Yeah, he meaning Sam Carlson.

Adam

Tucker Carlson interviewed him and basically kind of was like, did you murder one of your employees? He's like, what do you. What are you insinuating right here? This Balaji guy, if you remember that, of course it was a suicide. It was a delivery. Weird situation. I'm making zero accusations. I'm saying that's what Tucker did. But now it's not even Apple that's suing him. Apparently there's all these copyright infringements, publishers, artists, musicians, authors, everything. There. There's privacy concerns. Sam Altman, he's got some explaining to do. As they say.

Pat

By the way, can you do me a favor?

Adam

Just the latest thing with Apple and

Pat

it and it's around mainly one guy. Can you pull up Tang Tang A great name.

Adam

A N G T. It's almost related to Fang Fang.

Pat

No, no, the first one. Yeah, you go so who is Tank? Tank. So let me kind of give you an idea. Can you go to images on who this guy is? Go to images.

Tom

Tank.

Pat

Tank spent 24 years at Apple. No, the second one is not Tank. Not the second one is Tank. The second one is missing a jeep. There you go. Take the G out.

Vinny

There you go.

Pat

So that guy right there go go to all and go to his Wikipedia. Spent 24 years at Apple. This the main guy the lawsuit. Just everybody knows he joined Apple in the early 2000s, became one of the company's top hardware executives. Was widely regarded as part of generation of leaders who helped shaped the iPhone after Steve Jobs. This is a heavyweight. This guy's a heavyweight. He helped oversee iPhone and Apple watch hardware. Responsibilities included engineering and product design. He was one of Apple's highest ranking hardware leaders. They have a score like you know how the military they're sergeant major general.

Vinny

Yeah.

Pat

Little general, Brigadier general's a one star. Major general's a two star lieutenant, Lieutenant John, three star and then general is a four star. Right. So this guy's one of the heavyweights there. Then he left Apple in 24 and he joins Johnny Ives new hardware company which open AI you heard just about for $6.4 billion. Open AI requires it. And so why is he important? OpenAI wants to build AI device that could someday compete with the iPhone. And so Apple is suing because they're saying you're taking this away. So this guy is the main figurehead

Vinny

of

Pat

in this discussion. So it's interesting. It's kind of like what happened with when Jake Paul I believe recruited Dana White's former CFO that went to him. I don't know if you remember that or not. Jake Paul recruited him Armenian guy. Oh yeah, good looking guy. He had that red jacket on and he's got a. It's kind of like a power player. These types of things happen. Right there. Nakisha Bidarian who left there, he was a former UFC CFO from 11 to 2016 and helped orchestrate the historic 4 billion dollar sell to Endeavor. So he then goes and joins Jake Paul. When this kind of stuff happens, it happens. It happened to us, it happens to everybody. It's just, it's going to stuff like this happens, but it's a real, real war that has taken place. The problem is the following. Tom, here's the question I got for you. What major investor influencer that people respect is siding with Sam Altman?

Tom

Who.

Pat

Who is the person that's defending Kim?

Tom

I'm not saying it.

Pat

I mean cnbc, Microsoft, because they own it. But outside of that, I'm saying what other mainstream Microsoft is involved with? OpenAI, if I'm not mistaken, I'm talking about what major mainstream critic is sitting out there saying, oh, Sam Altman's a good guy, they're doing the right thing.

Vinny

Who's.

Pat

Who's on his side?

Vinny

I haven't seen.

Tom

I'm not seeing it.

Pat

Can't go like that for too long. You know, it's kind of like, you know what? Open eyes reminded me of open eyes. Kind of like what Israel is going through, huh? Open AI is losing the propaganda war. And guess what? People don't like you. They're not liking what you're doing. And you can sit there and do whatever you want and act like you're all high and mighty and keep talking trash to Ilana. People like Elon.

Amy Coney Barrett

Yeah.

Pat

And people don't like you. So then the question becomes, what? No major tech CEO or companies has loudly backed Altman Open AI in a specific dispute. That's not good. Nope, that's not good. You have to be good at building relationships behind close closed doors for people to defend you. That's horrible. So that means it's kind of like I work at a place and let's just say something happens, I leave. No one at the previous company is willing to vouch for me. They don't like me. That's not a good thing for you to do.

Vinny

No.

Pat

How come? And the only people do are the people that are no longer at the company. You have to have people that vouch for you, for people to say, when I left the previous company and I started php, there were a lot of people that were still friends with me. And I thought, hey, you don't have to worry about me taking clients, me doing this. Me, I never took a single person I left. I'm like, hey, I'm just taking what I got here. You guys keep the 7,000 clients. We want to build our business still. You met Jeff the other day, came to the house. He was part of the company over there. He was an enemy of mine a lot of. So to me, I think Altman has to. Altman has what? What some of these guys have, which is they're not good with People, they're so brilliant that they indirectly don't even know it. They look down at people. Altman needs to go read how to Win Friends and influence people 50 times. Altman needs to go learn how to Be Better With People, not robots. You can't befriend robots. They're your slaves. Yeah, you have to befriend people. And he's not good at that. So, Sam, if you're watching this, maybe go watch this one. And there's another book that you may want to read as well. Can you go to Power of Ethical Management? I think the Power of Ethical Management is a good book recommendation for Sam Altman as well. It's an oldie, but a goodie. It's 96 pages. I think maybe it's like 100 pages. Yeah. Can you go all the way to the bottom of how many pages it is so you can finish it fairly in like a 30 minute sit down? What's the number of pages? 144 pages. I was off by 50 pages. Small book, good book. But the Power of Ethical and Management.

Tom

The final thing here is like AI is getting a lot of pressure from the government. And these guys are not dumb and they move faster than the government. Dean Ball started July 6th of this month with with OpenAI. You know, he was from where he was a White House AI advisor and had a career in public policy. So now they have a Washington guy on there as the head of strategic future at OpenAI. And Meta hired Dina Powell McCormick, which was Trump and George W. Bush advisor on economic policy and brought him in January as president and vice chairman of Meta Superintelligence. So they are also going out and getting soldiers from Washington have to to help them in the war when the Department of Justice, the Federal Trade Commission, OpenAI and Meta, those were two key hires just this July.

Pat

Let me tell you though, Tom, there's a big difference. Who did you just hear right now going out there and talking about how amazing of a person he is? What clip did I just play of a guy that's loved and respected, that just edified Mark Zuckerberg minute Dana White. Sam Altman has to go find three Dana Whites and put him on his board asap. He has to do that asap. Asap and pay big money for those people to be sitting on your board and people with high Q scores. He has to get some people like that and desperately give them stocks, options, shares, whatever it is to have a big upside. He's got to go find three people like that. Can you go A little bit lower of Dana. Go a little bit lower of Dana. And you see the pictures that it shows on the bottom right. Keep going. Keep going lower. Keep going lower. Keep going lower. Keep going lower. Okay, click on Joe Rogan real quick. Click on Rogan real quick. Just click on Rogan real quick. I'm sorry. Go back and click on. See more right there. See more right there. Click on that. Get somebody. Keep going left. Keep going left. Keep going left. Keep going left. Yeah, you got to get somebody that's. You got to get like A. Get Mr. Beast and give him a billion dollars. Yeah, get Mr. Beast and give him a billion dollars in shares to sit on the board. I'm being serious, by the way. I'm actually not. You know, go look. What sports. You know who's one of the people that's brought a lot of eyeballs to the entire World Cup? You know who? Ishowspeed?

Vinny

Yeah.

Pat

Have you seen how he's crying with Ronaldo? Hey, please let me. Ramo, I need you to beat Messi. And boom. He posted a clip yesterday. I show speed. Posted a clip yesterday at the Argentina game. Do you know how many views this clip got? Let me tell you, Vinny, you're not going to believe how many clips are on YouTube, on Instagram. Okay, ishowspeed posts a video ishowspeed posts a video begging Lamine Lamal to be messy. And this is 17 hours ago. Okay, do you know how many views it got? I just want you to tell the people how many views it got.

Vinny

5.9. Oh, 118 million views.

Pat

In how many. In how many minutes and how many hours? Can you tell me in how many hours?

Vinny

17 hours.

Pat

So tell me who can get that kind of views? First one right there. Watch this.

Tom

Hang on a second.

Pat

That thing got117.18 million views in 17 hours. Okay, so pause it right there. I think. I think OpenAI needs to offer Mr. Beast a five year, one billion dollar comp to just sit on the board and get two other guys like that. Because Mr. Beast has got a good following. He's got to get some people like that. He's got to get some people like a Dana White. Some major, major power players that have credibility. And now the question becomes, should Mr. Beast accept it? Because that's a whole different conversation. Anyways, let's go to the next story. Yes, tomorrow morning is knocking. Stock your fridge now. How about a creamy mocha frappuccino drink? Or a sweet vanilla smooth caramel, maybe? Or white chocolate mocha? Whichever you Choose. Delicious coffee awaits. Find Starbucks Frappuccino drinks wherever you buy your groceries. Hey, it's Ryan Reynolds here from Mint Mobile. Now, I was looking for fun ways to tell you that Mint's offer of unlimited Premium Wireless for $15 a month is back. So I thought it would be fun if we made $15 bills, but it turns out that's very illegal, so there goes my big idea for the commercial. Give it a try@mintmobile.com Switch upfront payment of $45 for 3 months, $90 for 6 months or $180 or 12 month plan required. $15 per month. Equivalent taxes and fees. Extra initial plan term only greater than 50 gigabytes. Me slow when network is busy.

Vinny

See Terms.

Adam

Oh, no.

Pat

You want to move on?

Adam

I just had a quick point that. Look, I saw Zuckerberg at the UFC fight the guy. We're giving him a little too much credit. This guy is just finding out that he's a human. Like Mark Zuckerberg was a. Was a. Was an alien slash robot for 20 years, and all of a sudden he's becoming cool. What's my point with Sam Altman? This guy's been famous for what, three years, four years that I show speed is a marketing genius. Sam Altman is an actual genius. He's just an introverted nerd like all these Silicon Valley guys. So eventually, yes, I do think he needs.

Pat

I really want to know what your

Adam

point is and get someone in there.

Pat

But what's your point?

Adam

They were being a little hard on this guy for being an actual genius nerd when they're all like that.

Pat

That was your point. You. You paused. And to make that point, Adam, this guy said. Let me ask you a question. Let me ask you a question. Is Jeff Bezos a nerd?

Vinny

Yeah.

Adam

And it took him 30 years to actually try to become cool.

Pat

Oh, no, you don't understand. This guy is hated by all the nerds right now. All of them, including Tim Cook. He's hated by Bezos, by Cook.

Adam

Maybe it's because he's beating them.

Pat

He's not beating them, though. He's not. He's lost market share to Anthropic more than you would know. If you go look at what's going on with Anthropic right now. Anthropic is taking his lunch. They used to be at 80, 90% of the LLM business. They're not anymore. People don't like this guy. You can't move up without being liked and having some people skills. No, he. He is you know whose vibe he's giving me? He's giving me vibes of SBF when he was coming up and he thought his didn't stink. That's the vibes he's given me.

Tom

Not.

Pat

Not the. Not the criminal stuff.

Adam

I'm not.

Pat

I'm not going on the finance. I'm not going from that. Just a vibe of. Let me tell you who I am. I don't know. I think he's got to make some adjustments. That's my thoughts. Let's go to the next.

Tom

Can I make a final point for you that's on this.

Pat

Yeah.

Tom

So I show speed. 110 million views in 24 hours.

Pat

Yep.

Tom

Take. You know what the record is for Taylor Swift downloads in the first 24 hours of any song?

Pat

Tell me, Tom.

Tom

30 million for Ophelia. Let's put that in perspective to your point. This guy should be big money somewhere.

Pat

Yeah, yeah. No, and. And to me, to me, it's just he. And the only reason I showed I show speed is not complimenting Kim. It's complimenting SportsCenter, ESPN, FIFA. That they're using this guy to bring eyeballs to it. It's a smart move. Open AI needs to go get some guys like Dana White. That was the point I was making. So. Okay, let's get to the next one. Next business story. Very weird one, guys. IBM. We've heard about IBM for how many decades? Many, many years. Back in the days, IBM was Facebook. Back in the days IBM was Google. IBM was Microsoft. IBM was what all these companies we talk about today. The first guy was IBM. Right. Yesterday, IBM's numbers. You ready? Drops 25% in a single day.

Vinny

Ouch.

Pat

Okay, 25 in a single day. Let me read these numbers to you. And then Tom, I'm going to come to you and Vinnie, please get your reports ready.

Vinny

I'm so ready.

Pat

You have no idea. So IBM ended trading Tuesday down more than 25%. It's worse single day drop since you ready 1968. Me and Vinnie weren't even born yet. Okay. After the company pre announced earnings that fell below Wall street expectations. Blue, Big Blue attributed the results to customers shifting spending away from software and mainstream mainframe product and toward AI servers. Memory analytics analysts had expected IBM to report adjusted earnings per share, EPS of $3 and 2 cents on revenue of $17.86 billion. But the company came up short, posting adjusted EPS of 2.93 on revenue of $17.2 billion. And a statement, IBM CEO Arvind Krishna said the company was prepared for a low single digit decline in its Z17 mainframe business for the quarter. But the results were far from worse than projected and are at least partially related to the global memory shortage. In the last few weeks of June, we saw clients shift their quarterly capital expenditure towards server storage and memory purchase to secure supply constraint infrastructure ahead of expected price increases, he said. This dynamic impact client buying patterns. While we anticipate some supply chain related impact in our expectations, we did not anticipate the magnitude of the capex reprioritization, he added. IDC's Ashiya Natkari, who leads the firm's enterprise infrastructure Global Research Group wrote in a note that Wall Street's reaction to Kirschno's warning was likely stronger than warrant the time your thoughts on this?

Tom

Well, first of all, you know what? Arvind Krishna just didn't do a good earnings report. He didn't do a good job of putting it together. Now they'll tell you oh no, no, no, no. We wrote the release, we careful with the comments and he go out there. But all these comments is what makes stock go up and down on confidence and future guidance. It's confidence and future guidance. So Vinnie, I'll be head of General Motors. You be an investor and you tell me if you're going to tell everybody to sell my shares or buy my shares and I'm going to put it in and take all of this technical knowledge. I'm going to put it in terms you understand. Yeah. We here at General Motors we find that people aren't buying Corvettes anymore and we're having a little trouble at the factory. We can't get engines and we don't make EVs and they seem popular but everything's okay.

Vinny

I don't trust you. I don't trust you.

Tom

Exactly. So I'm going to take off the technobabble and that's what IBM said. We have a product that's going away mainframes. It's starting to shift. Memory chips are in shortage. We can't get them and there's things we don't make. You know, we got to get to servers in the sky, AI servers. So that's what happened. But there's something else on the backdrop that's been frustrating. What are the core that makes a company great? It's people. It's people we're discovering just we've been sitting here in Rhode island for a week and a half and we're, you know, Pat and I have had these conversations about people. We need great people doing great Things. And we see things that are going on and we see the danger of, you know, Sam Altman not having a guy that everybody's rallying around your leader from the outside. IBM has been going through a change. Its own people are referring to it as Indian Business Machines rather than International Business machines. Do you know what the wild shift is? So IBM usa, IBM India, here's a quiz for you. One of them is 40,000 employees. One of them has 135,000 employees. Which is which?

Vinny

I think the Indian one has 140.

Adam

I think it's the other way around.

Tom

India has 135,000 employees. IBM USA only has 40,000 employees. It's been shifting, it's been shifting on H1BS India. How many job openings US and India? Which number is which for IBM? For IBM? Three hundred and seventy six job openings and two hundred and eighty two thousand eight hundred and forty job openings. This morning I checked in India. Which one's India? Which one's USA?

Pat

379x9x More is India.

Tom

Correct. India. 2840 job openings for IBM in India. 376 available in the USA. People are furious. And there's been a steady flow of people that have been writing on Reddit, not screaming at their employer. You scream at your previous employer on Facebook or X or something, you can expect to get a letter or get sued because especially if you disparage them, you do something really bad. That's dumb. Well, guess what? There are ex IBM employees that are on Reddit saying, very gently saying, listen guys, I just trained two people in India and then I was laid off a year later and they gave me six months salary. But I basically trade trained people that were going to replace me. And we're hearing about it all across IBM. So it's not just IBM here. IBM also right now has a loyalty and an overall morale problem. And they'll probably see this podcast Pat and publish a bunch of stuff out there. But the number of articles and a number of things on Reddit is overwhelming. There's more to it than just this earnings report. IBM has got some issues inside and a lot of people are saying maybe I don't want to be here. And there's only 40.

Pat

Let me, let me ask this question,

Tom

Let me ask for IBM.

Pat

Here's a question for you. They lost $72 billion a market cap in two days. That's a lot. 72 billion of market cap, IBM loss and can you pull up their stock? They lost $72 billion of market cap in two days. That's a lot of money. Here's my question for you. When, when you, when you read. I've been just in reading mode while we're out here. What, what is there? Is that what One day. Go to five days. Go to five days. That's one day. Go to five days. Look at that.

Vinny

I should start buying.

Pat

Look at that.

Tom

Can you spot when the CEO spoke?

Pat

Can you do me a favor? Go to one year. Can you go to one year?

Adam

Damn.

Pat

Okay, so go to five years. So it's still higher than what it was five years ago.

Tom

Yeah, yeah, they rode the AI wave.

Pat

Yeah. But now, yeah, they. So, so, so then Tom, here's my question for you with IBM. What is their flagship product? What is the product they have that beats everybody else in the marketplace?

Tom

It used to be the mainframe computer and high end consulting to go with the use of the mainframe computer.

Pat

Cuz they're they not used to. I want to know today what is their flagship product? That they're the market leader ahead of everybody.

Vinny

I don't even. Do they even have one?

Pat

No, they for sure do. It's not. You're not going to be a $200 billion company without having that. So what, what is that product? Where do they win?

Vinny

They doesn't have a single consumer style hero product. IBM current story. IBM Z mainframes, Red Hat, OpenShift and WatsonX.

Pat

I want to know their number one flagship product. That brings a big chunk of the revenue. Okay, so I just typed in right now what are IBM's biggest customers? Their biggest customer is JPMorgan Chase. One of IBM's biggest financial customers uses IBM Mainframes Cloud, AI Security and Consulting. Their annual money that they spend just JP Morgan Chase with IBM is somewhere around a billion dollars. Okay. Bank of America is number two. They use the IBM mainframe software consulting customers few hundred million dollars annually. Citigroup, few hundred million dollars. Verizon, few hundred million dollars at&t a few hundred million dollars. And then you got US federal government uses defense, civilian agencies, cloud consulting, cybersecurity billion over multiple contracts. Deutsche bank, hsbc, Volkswagen, all of these guys have multimillion dollar contract. Which product brings the biggest percentage of revenue every year to IBM? Which product is that? I. I want to know because there's

Tom

a story, it's the mainframe business.

Pat

There's a story of IBM software approximately $8.6 billion in 2026. This is the transaction processing single largest software category they have. Number two is the red hats hybrid. Cloud brings in roughly $7.3 billion in 2025. And then IBM, broad red hat for about $34 billion. What they bought in 2019, betting it would become the bridge between the old enterprise and then consulting, which brings 21 billion. So consulting is still a big part of IBM's. Then a mainframe brings 10.6 billion.

Tom

So it's interesting consulting that makes them tons of money.

Pat

Yeah, I remember reading a book called CEO Excellence. And in the book, if you remember this, it tells the story of what Andy Grove did. I don't know if you remember that, Tom. The story with Andy Grove and where he and the former cfo, CEO of. Former CEO of. What's the company's called? Is this a. There it is. Former CEO of Intel. They're sitting there having a conversation together and Andy Grove, one of their divisions, I think went from $198 million, Vinny to $2 million. Let me say that one more time. They went from $198 million to $2 million. One of his divisions of intel in this book, this is how he writes it. The president of the company at this time, Andy Grove, asked CEO Gordon Moore, if we got kicked out and the board brought in a new CEO, what do you think they would do? Moore, the CEO, Gordon Moore, he is the guy. He said they would get us out of the memory chips game. Grove stared at him and said, why shouldn't you and I walk out the door, come back and do it ourselves? The rest is history. Intel exited the DRAM memory chips business and staked its future on a new product, the microprocessor. In doing so, intel helped usher in the computer age and had a run of success that lasted for decades. I think the scary thing with IBM right now is IBM has to kind of ask themselves what's next? What is next? What, what business do they need to get out of? What business do they need to get in that? They're not. They got to make some decisions here because for you to go through a $72 billion in 48 hours and don't get me wrong, I mean they're going to be fine. IBM is IBM. It's not like tomorrow something's going to happen to them. This is more like a two decade type of a thing that we're talking about. Tom, looks like you want to say something.

Tom

Yeah. No. And the time you're talking about is when IBM made a major shift from old mainframes to new mainframes. And IBM also created the Wintel standard, Windows and Intel. It's exactly the sequence you're talking about. And it was a big milestone for IBM. And by the way, Microsoft, there were two guys at IBM. One of them did not want to give Microsoft the operating system, did not. And the other was Don Estridge. Did not. And there was one guy that did. Don Estridge would die in the Delta Airlines wind shear flight that crashed in Dallas in 1985. I know this whole story. There's a whole high school named for him in Boca Raton. And when he died, the other guy was left and he gave the business to Microsoft. If it's not for that windshear flight in 1985, IBM would have made its own operating system because that kicked off Microsoft. And so IBM shifted at that time to, to the person good or bad move. It was ended up being a good move for IBM to shift. But they later got out of the business as it became a commodity. They were never competing with Apple. Apple was always the artsy and other side of it and education. But it was, it showed that IBM and Louis Gershner wrote a book. Teaching an Elephant to Dance was a great book about IBM. So I, I think they'll be back, but right now they're in the middle of a shift. They're another shift and they got a. They got to pick a side and they got to move forward.

Adam

Adam, I'll add something. I got to be honest with you. When we first started talking about this, I was like, yeah, I don't really. IBM, whatever. What. I realized something because I think this is what you were getting at and it's the whole concept of reinventing yourself. Because to me, IBM is like the, the guy like Al Bundy who scored four touchdowns in high school and was like the best player in his town and went on to play college, but now all these other guys are playing in the NFL and they lapped him. I. IBM got lapped. I mean, look at all the tech companies in video. Apple, Microsoft, Amazon, Tesla, all these big tech companies were started decades after IBM. So to the average person out there, you might have had success 10 years ago, 20 years ago, and you're still kind of like, that's me. I'm that guy. I'm Al Bundy. I scored four touchdowns. I think, Pat, what you're kind of getting is you got to reinvent yourself and you got to be known for one thing. The fact that we all collectively using our brain power, didn't know what IBM's flagship product was. A telltale sign. IBM, you got a problem, buddy.

Pat

We're not, we're not in this space. I guarantee if I asked the people that are in this space, they would be able to say it within a heartbeat of who it is. But again, I think they're going to be fine. Typically when people that are involved in a situation like this, they'll make adjustments. Hopefully they will. Let me get to the next story. Next story I want to get into is what just happened with New York and data centers. And New York became the first state to come out, impose AI data center ban. And a lot of people are conflicted and people are saying, wait a minute, am I about to support Hochul for the decision that they're making and where they're going with this? Kathy Hochul imposed a one year moratorium on new data centers requiring at least 50 megawatts of power, making New York the first state with a statewide ban. Hochul said hyperscale AI facilities threaten to exceed grid capacity and pass higher electricity costs to residents. New York's average residential power price has increased nearly 68% since 2019. Whether that's tied to data centers or not, that's a different story. Data centers have faced growing opposition over their electricity and fresh water consumption, with proposed projects drawn protests in communities including Lansing and East Fish Kill. Environmental groups and Democratic lawmakers praised the pause, arguing the New York need guarantees that data centers will not raise bills, pollute aero water, weaken grid reliability. A June Siena poll found 46% of New Yorkers considered a one year moratorium beneficial, compared to 21% who opposed it. Support cross party lines, with Democratic backing it by 37% points and Republicans by 13%. Fourteen state legislatures have introduced restrictions on state data centers construction, but none has enacted a statewide meritorium. Democratic governors in Maine and Virginia have cautioned against similar bans. Tom, is this a good thing or a bad thing?

Tom

And why this is a bad thing? And I don't understand what Kathy Hochul is talking about. I'm sure she's done some good things. I'll list them here. Okay, that's the list. Now I'll go to this part of it is I'm not trying to be funny, but I'm honestly saying what is Kathy Hochul done for the people of New York in this? I'm going to make one simple comparison. Did the United States of America during the 2020 election? Was TikTok taking all of you know what? Oh my gosh. They're taking data from our kids phones and from us and on family cloud accounts and TikTok is taking data back to China. We're Was that A big deal, Pat.

Pat

TikTok.

Tom

Yeah, TikTok's taking our data back to China. Okay, well then let's not build data centers here. We'll just use the ones in China. Really? Are you insane? And so she's missing an opportunity here. And the opportunity is when we talk about to come forward and to build the infrastructure for the state of New York and to simply do it this way. I've brought it up before. Data centers, you have to build your own electrical infrastructure or contribute to the overbuild and retrofit of ours. Step one, you can put small nukes there. We'll go to the Nuclear Regulatory Commission, the Department of Energy and we'll help you get next generation permits so you can put a small nuke there. And by the way, one condition, if there's a blizzard or something like that, you have to be available to switch your power from your nuke onto the grid so you could help citizens in time of a civil emergency. Step one, Step two, we got to figure out how do we get different kinds of cooling? How does the state of New York maybe give some credits to companies that right now, Pat, there are companies right now that are being hatched and venture funded trying to figure out advanced cooling solutions for data centers. You don't know why, because if we can make this work and we could sell it to one, we could sell billions and billions and billions of dollars of next generation cooling and use less water. It's all out there. She's missing an opportunity to put the state of New York in a leadership position. But while she's trying to knee jerk and saying, well, if your power is going up, there's an election coming up. No data centers, data center is bad. Rather than coming back and saying, hey, we're going to put this on the ballot, we want you to vote for it. Data centers and state of New York would be required to build their own power and find alternative cooling with within 36 months of launching. And by the way, the decibel rating on the outside of the data center can exceed this. Entrepreneurs, when given constraints, you know what they do? They invent solutions. That's what I think. I think this is a populist move, Pat. And if you're trying to chase more people out of the state and you're trying, then you make errors on tax. But if you're trying to do things for people staying in the state, this is not the way to do it. Especially when we were all freaked out about TikTok taking our data and now we're going to say no data center here, here and here. The data is going to go somewhere, folks. It's going to end up in China.

Pat

Yeah. So the people that agree and disagree, Bernie's for it. Very sympathetic aoc, environmental groups, some local community groups because the noise, land use, stuff like that, people who are obviously against it is Trump, Data center Developers, Data Center Coalition and many of the business groups and guys that are in the business space. But, but if, let's just say you. So now this becomes one of the decisions where you got to make as a state. And some states are going to be like, no to data centers. All right, guess what opportunity that creates for some states to say what we are with the following three guidelines that you follow. Okay, guess what? Let's take our talents to Miami. You know, let's take our talents to Tennessee. Let's take our talents to Idaho. And what, what could those restrictions be? Maybe put it a certain amount of miles away from a nearest city that's got 20,000 population and put, you got to be 20 miles away from it. You got to be 40 miles away from. There's plenty of states that you can go to and do stuff that has plenty of land that's away from individuals. Adam, where are you at with this? Adam?

Adam

Pat, I gotta tell you, Tom nailed it. Being anti AI, being anti data center is like being anti Internet in the early 2000s. Yeah, I don't, I don't like this Internet thing. Well, I don't know what this email thing is. Can't have that taking all the energy. It's like, yeah, we're gonna change the world with the Internet email. Get on board. So you can't put the genie back in the bottle. It's inevitable. So what they're trying to do in New York here is a one year moratorium. Okay? In one year we'll consider doing this. It's inevitable. John Fetterman said, listen, if you continue to do this, who's going to win? China's going to win. But New York has a history of doing this. AOC 5 years ago was like, yeah, we don't need high paying jobs from Amazon. We don't want that here in the Bronx. Get that out of here. Mamdani is doing his best to just take all the wealth out of New York and bring it to Miami. So thank you for that, Mamdani. And now Kathy Hochul is basically saying, I'm going to be an ostrich, put my head in the sand, pretend that AI and data centers don't exist. Play it as the boogeyman to maybe win an election. But the end of the day, we all know this is inevitable. Data centers are coming. We need this for our country if we're going to compete with the rest of the world and specifically China. So we need this.

Pat

All right, so we'll see. That's Adam's analysis for us on data centers, and we'll see what that's going to do for us. But we'll be hanging tight. Next story is this Same sex refused to take the baby from a surrogate because she did not want to abort the baby. I mean, this, this is when I'm reading this story to you, there's a part of me, it's like, wait a minute, is this real story that I'm reading? It's a real story. So let me give you the facts and then we'll get into it because there's a lot of angles this can go. So same said couples sue surrogate who refused to abort their two year old son over a minor birth defect. Okay, and this is a New York Post story. Vinny, I'm going to come to you first on this one. So a Canadian couple is suing the surrogate who carried their two year old, now two year old son after she refused their request of terminate the pregnancy over a cleft lip and possible minor heart defect. The lawsuit filed in Ontario Superior Court in May alleges the surrogate failed to keep the parents adequately informed, endangered the child, violated confidentiality and caused emotional distress. The filing does not specifically specify damage, but the surrogate said the couple indicated they were seeking approximately $600,000. They didn't get the perfect child they wanted and they threw me away, she said. The surrogate convinced through IVF using a donated egg and embryos created with both men's sperm. Oh my goodness. Their relationship deteriorated in June of 2024 after an ultrasound at 22 weeks indicated a cleft lip and possible cleft palate and minor heart defects. Citing their surrogacy agreement, the couple requested an abortion. The surrogate said she would have terminated a pregnancy if the child were unlikely to survive but would not do it for a largely cosmetic and treatable condition. The couple agreed to continue the pregnancy after Mount Sinai Hospital doctors determined the baby was generally healthy. Tensions to resurface when the surrogate insisted on a midwife assisted home birth. Despite the parents request for hospital delivery. The baby experienced breathing difficulties but recovered after receiving oxygen and was taken to a hospital by ambulance. After taking their son home, the parents ended Contact with the surrogate, she sought roughly $10,000 in unpaid expenses, lost wages, transportation costs, and missed pensions contributions. When she pursued the dispute in small claims court, she learned the contract required arbitration and was subsequently sued for $600,000. Vinnie.

Vinny

God bless her and good for her. Pat, like, this is exactly what happens when we start treating children like freaking property instead of people. You already know where I stand because me and you're on the same spot against, you know, the gay couples that are buying these kids and doing all this money and trying to. I'm not a fan of it at all, okay? You can sign a contract with a surrogate, you can enter into legal agreements, you can negotiate responsibilities and financial obligations, but the moment that new life is created, it's no longer subject to a contract, okay? That child that you're doing this and your sperm and his sperm in a woman that belongs to God now. And you already know where I stand, Pat. Every child is made. Every one of us. Every child is made in the image of God. A cleft lip doesn't erase that, okay? It doesn't reduce the child's value. It doesn't justify murdering this thing because, oh, the, The. The dynamics of the kid are not the way that I want it. Since when did a birth defect become something to, like. You have to live or die. It starts with a cleft lip and then, you know, next is down syndrome. Next is something. Oh, his foot is different. I don't like it. They're not custom orders. This isn't freaking Amazon. This isn't Build a Bear, okay? They're not products that can be rejected, Pat. Thank God. Thank God. And I'm assuming, hopefully she's a Christian. She stood up and she had the courage to stand on her convictions and, and say no, okay? And because of her, that little boy is alive today. And. And I think murder shouldn't be an option. Murder should not be an option, okay? God doesn't give any of us anything that we can't handle, okay? And there's surgeries that you can do. I. I've seen multiple, multiple websites where doctors that they can fix, they can try to help that cleft lip, Pat, and that's why we have to fight. And again, going back to the Ro. Ro versus Wade, you know, Dobbs and all that stuff. If it's not us fighting for these children, Pat, who's going to do it? They can't speak for themselves. They can't do it. We have to defend them.

Pat

Tom, where you have with this?

Tom

Well, let me give you Some. Some names here. Jesse Jackson, rumored Winston Churchill, Lee Raymond, who is the chairman and CEO of Exxon that built it in the largest. In the largest, most profitable company in the world at the time. They all were born with cleft lips. You may not agree with Jesse Jackson or agree with Lee Raymond, the industrialist, and the Winston Churchill thing is a little bit disputed, but what if we just started erasing people from history or never having them at all? Because when a baby is born, it's snuffed out because it's deemed to be not perfect. Look at the people over time that we wouldn't have had. By the way, the scans of the sarcophagus seem to indicate that King tutorial possibly not only had a cleft lip, but a full cleft palate. And so if you want to. If you want to just, you know, go for surrogacy and then eliminate people with even the most minor of the defects, you are missing the opportunity to see how that person grows up under the leadership of loving parents and who want the child and maybe overcomes the deficiency or a thing like this to just be just an absolute beacon to the rest of us on the absolute amazing human spirit of achievement, overcoming disability and things. We miss that opportunity. We miss that episode. We all look like 1970s. The Stepford Wives that were all, like, robotic and all looked alike. I'm sorry. The diversity that is among us racially, ethnically, was all ordained by God, and we're missing opportunities.

Amy Coney Barrett

And.

Tom

And this just shows when you turn having a child into buying a coach purse that. Oh, this one's got a. Can I get a discount? This one's got a little defect on it. It's just. It disgusts me because you're playing with God. You're not playing with us. You're playing. You're playing with a. A program above your pay grade.

Vinny

Yep.

Adam

Adam, I. I fully agree with Tom and Vinny. This story is getting me more upset the more that we talk about it, because as we're kind of like peeling the onion and seeing what's going on here, these two gay men, designer baby, by the way, the child's right. The child's a human. Now two years old, he might end up hearing this story that his parents wanted him aborted. And as you. As you peel back The Onion At 22 weeks, they wanted her to abort the child because he had a potential cleft lip. Is that what it was, guys?

Pat

Yep.

Adam

And 22 weeks. Listen, you're over halfway there. That baby, if you see the image, is A full on human at that point. This is no longer an embryo. You can't even make the debate. Do you, by the way, do you know what percentage of abortions are done after 20 weeks? 1%. So the biggest thing here is you have these two gay men who have no idea what it's like for this woman to be pregnant. She obviously has an emotional attachment to it. She's like, yeah, I'm not going to abort the baby because it may have a cleft lip. And you can just see these gays like, yeah, we want that baby gone. Are you kidding me? And now then they stiffer for ten grand because they owed her money and now they're suing her for 600 grand because the child that they wanted is alive. This is the most backward story. I'm so glad we're highlighting this and I would love to shine a spirit spotlight on these two gay guys with their designer baby.

Pat

Yeah, I mean, look, the simplest way to do it, don't allow it. Simplest way to do it is don't allow it. Don't allow to make the decision to be different when it comes down to getting babies. I'm not, I've never been comfortable with that. That position for me is not going to change of where I'm at with it. It's going to stay the same way that it is so good for the lady, whoever it is, she is watching or if you know who she is, share this with her. She contacts us. I'd love to find a way to make something good for her. So if you know who she is and she's comfortable being public, we will keep her name private. I would love to find a way to help her out as she's going through this challenge in financial times with even if it's something small that we can help her out with. So I don't know who she is, but if you know her, please have a reach out to us.

Tom

By the way, thanks to modern, thanks to modern medicine, a child born due to an injury to the mother, not an illness to the child, at 22 weeks, it's a 35% chance of survival. So there's a one in three chance that if that baby was born because the mom had some sort of an injury, the baby wasn't sick, that modern medicine could take it to full viability and survival.

Pat

No, this is devastating. When you read these, we hate to read the story, but we got to read the story for people to know what's going on out there. For us to keep these types of stories out there. All right, let me get to the next one here. Next I want to get into is a little bit more of a lighthearted story is maybe not for some. France lost yesterday to Spain and not

Vinny

yesterday, three days ago.

Pat

Yeah, France lost to Spain, which I'm not a fan of because Spain to me is the most boring team that's out there. I know Tom's a die hard fan of Spain. It's just Argentina.

Tom

Yes, Exciting team.

Pat

I'm not a soccer guy. Down 10 at the 80 something minute mark. And then all of a sudden Messi gets two assists and they end up winning the whole thing two to one. So now the finals are going to be Argentina against Spain, which it's, it's an interesting matchup. They say all the Muslim countries are officially eliminated from the World Cup. England is out now. So that was like a massive story when you're talking about England being gone. But you know, Lamine Lamal is a superstar and he's a, you know, he's a guy that's very capable. For the first time I saw how capable he was and how aggressive he was playing. And he went after Mbappe. He was not afraid. But there's a picture of the significance of this that Vinnie showed to us early this morning. Look at this picture, folks. If you go and see this picture is Messi having a picture with Lamine Lamar when he was a baby.

Adam

I.

Pat

You almost can't even believe him when you're taking a look at this. It's messy. It's almost like he's giving him a bath.

Vinny

Did you see this?

Pat

It's like he's giving him a bath with.

Vinny

Right there.

Pat

So at first when you show me this, I'm like, Vinnie, there's no way this is true. So this is really Lamila Mall at five months old?

Vinny

Yes, 19 years ago.

Pat

Has this been fact checked?

Vinny

Fact check. There's a UNICEF charity photo at Camp Nou where Lionel Messi was playing for Barcelona. Pat. Families entered a raffle. Barcelona players were assigned by random lottery and somehow 20 year old Messi ended up pairing with this 5 month old baby. And that's me and the mall right there. Like. And the odds, Pat, go to the odds I sent you. I slacked the odds. Guess what the odds are of this happening. Some guy broke down everything. Pat. Take, take a while. 1 in 4 billion, 1 in 625 trillion. This guy did the math. Zoom in, zoom in a little bit. Bert.

Pat

The probability of this happening says you are more than 2 million times more likely to win the Powerball jackpot than to have the script play out.

Vinny

It's.

Pat

It is roughly equivalent to picking one specific second out of the 20 million years. One in 625 trillion insane.

Vinny

Wow.

Pat

And they're facing each other Sunday. So, so here's, here's the question. The challenge is Bellingham was on a streak of getting two goals back to back. Yes, I, I, they were. They're 2 inches taller, they're faster, they're stronger, they're younger in every way. Argent. You know, on paper, England would. Even Kalshee had him at 54 to 46% of England winning. But then some stuff happened. We can't show any of this stuff. At the end of the game, they're giving a high five, all this stuff. The legendary clip is where Bellingham is saying stuff to Messi. And Messi eventually goes like this, okay, no problem. I'm supposed to beat you now. And he goes and beats him. And so, I mean, you just have to realize, imagine the fans who are like, can you go to the Ishowspeed when he said his last clip on his Instagram account. If you go on Ishowspeed's Instagram account. So he's a big Ronaldo guy. Yeah, massive Ronaldo guy. Cannot stand Messi to save his life, and he is there cheering for England. Watch this. Just press the first one. You can show it. It's a public video.

Vinny

This is England's first goal. This is England's first goal.

Pat

Now watch what happens.

Vinny

Such a troll. Risk sold.

Pat

I get my band Beans.

Amy Coney Barrett

Baby.

Adam

Baby.

Tom

Yep.

Pat

There's your beans for the first goal.

Vinny

One, one. There's your beans.

Pat

They're throwing stuff at him. And then they scored a second goal. We go. They keep throwing stuff at him. Yeah, guys. So now Messi, you know, Messi's going against Spain, you know, with. With all the spectacles and the stories and everything. By the way, Messi did a bunch of different interviews, and he says, I know Spain. I play against those guys. I know what program they're a part of. These are people that I know. You can, you know, play against them, and you know what they're going to be doing. There was some personal stuff that happened, though, politically, with Argentina, because, you know, the whole war that happened with Argentina and England back in 1982, where they killed 900 people and they took over the island. That's right. They took over the island. And then from there, in 86, the hand of God, you know, it says, hey, it went from the hand of God. Now to the left foot of God, which is Messi being left footed. And so the guys at the end were holding the banners, calling out England. This was the. So that's a political statement. So it was a great game. Now going into Spain, I don't know, it's going to be wild. Tom, I know you're picking Spain, so what's your score? What's your prediction with Spain against Argentina?

Tom

You keep saying I'm picking Spain. I'm not. I watched them at the end of group.

Pat

Die hard Spain fan.

Tom

Three games at the end of group, they win by a combined score of 8 to nothing, and no one scored on them. And I'm like, they're a machine. But then they look like they were asleep. And they barely got through the next two games. Very tight. And then the machine shows up.

Adam

So it's like.

Tom

I don't know what to say, you know? Yeah, I call what I see. I'm not a big football guy, but I'm. I look at this. Remember, Spain's only given up one goal. So if Argentina wins two to one, it means they score two, they double the amount of goals that Spain has given up in the tournament. Unfortunately, you know, my heart goes one way, but my mental. My mental side goes the other way. I think it's two one. Spain.

Pat

Spain.

Vinny

Okay, first of all, Argentina had more heart. They played freaking lights out. They were, by the way, the shorter team. What I said yesterday, the first five minutes, you're going to know who's going to set the pace.

Pat

Run a poll to see what the audience.

Vinny

Yeah, and. And guess what I saw, Pat? I saw them being physical. They weren't going to get pushed around. It was. It was an amazing, amazing game, Pat. Fate is on fre. There's no way. There's no way Argentina is going to lose. And I just sent Humberto a link from a guy that posted at 7:28pm July 11, 2021, and he wrote, Argentina just beat Spain at the 2026 World Cup Final. 2, 3. And Umberto, can you show that? Oh, you're.

Pat

This is a guy that tweeted.

Vinny

This is a guy that tweeted. Well, he's running the poll. He wrote. He posted this in, in 2021. Argentina just beat Spain.

Pat

Look at the date. Zoom in.

Vinny

Look at that.

Pat

Argentina just beat Spain at 2026 World cup final, 3 to 2, July 11, 2021. And this is not the producer of Simpsons.

Vinny

No, no, no, but, Pat, I, I don't think that. Listen, Spain, very technical, very to the book, kind of boring. There's no way it's in Argentina.

Pat

What's your score?

Vinny

I don't know if I'm gonna go with this guy, but let's just do. I'm gonna do it. Three, two, Argentina. Let's go.

Pat

All right, Adam, a lot of goals.

Vinny

Let's go. Yeah.

Pat

Where you at?

Adam

So the question is what? Who's going to win?

Vinny

Who's going to win? Give us a score.

Adam

Okay, well, we talked about. I show speed. I show speed, unfortunately, is just a hater. So imagine. And by the way, he's a very likable guy. But when you're all your passion.

Pat

Adam, can you just give. Just give me the score first. Give me the score first.

Adam

Well, I was gonna build up to why I'm gonna give you the score, but I'll just give you the score. The point is Messi's the goat. And sometimes you just cannot deny greatness. That's my point, is, it's like you're rooting against Michael Jordan. Michael Jordan don't lose. So I don't know how the. How Argentina got here. They beat multiple teams after being down in the last five minutes. Two minutes. But Messi continues to pull it off. So stop hating in Argentina. Just appreciate greatness. I think they win 2, 1.

Pat

Okay, so check this out. Here's Kalshee. Look at the amount of volume, Vinnie. $1.25 billion. And 58% is on Spain.

Vinny

Yeah, I don't. I don't.

Pat

58 is on Spain. Okay? That's the quote of the title. 58% has Spain.

Vinny

Because those are all Ronaldo fans.

Pat

Insane. And by the way, look at all the money coming left and right. Look at that. $41, $11, $45, $33. Wow.

Tom

By the way, you asked me who I thought was going to win. That's like my prediction market. Where's my heart? My heart is with Morocco. No,

Adam

Canada.

Tom

You're not supposed to interrupt. I'm about to say Morocco. No, my heart. My heart in this matchup is with Argentina. Seeing Messi, see, he's the goat. See him go back to back on the way out of his career. That's just amazing to see. This is like Tiger woods winning the Masters as the last major he ever wins and he's over 40 years old. Your heart goes with the goats and the guys that have given us so much to cheer about. My heart. Argentina wins.

Pat

Thomas just trying to not lose his Tom.

Adam

Change your pick then, buddy.

Tom

Do it publicly.

Pat

Change your massive Argentinian audience. What is that so so they have what percentage?

Vinny

65, Argentina. 35, Spain. Let's go, boys and girls.

Pat

It just means we have a audience that goes, you know, one way. But the reality of it is it was something very emotional about this guy winning.

Vinny

Oh, my God.

Pat

Something very emotional about the guy winning yesterday. I don't know what it was. They're just, you. You see the. The way they protect them, the way their teammates look at him. The guy scores the header. Instead of people running with the guy who scored a header, they run after Messi. He gave that pass with a right foot as a lefty. They put him in the complete right side. It's like, why would you put him there? It was. It was unbelievable. So Spain, Spain, Argentina. I think they're both great passers. They're very technical. It's going to be a good matchup. But, you know, the. The cow, she's got couches. Got those guys. We'll see what happened. All right, let me do one last story and then we wrap up. So the last story I'm going to get into. Do you want to do the Pete Hexa story with testosterone or Taco Bell?

Vinny

Let's do Taco Bell.

Pat

Let's go to Taco Bell. So Taco Bell, you know, is. It's got some things going on. So Taco Bell. Let me find the stories at page 20. What page? Do you guys have it on my notes or not? Can you just give me the page that you have? Because I don't have it on my page. Page 20. Is it page 20 or Maine?

Vinny

It's right.

Pat

It's page 20. Let me go to it. Oh, wait. Okay. The Taco Bell had a rough situation here, folks. Rough, rough situation. Voluntarily remove some ingredients at select restaurants amid cyclosporiasis outbreak. Okay. They limited the ingredients for selected restaurants at precaution during a growing outbreak, although the public health officials have not linked illness to the company, any restaurant supplier, ingredient. Michigan has recorded 3,309 cases since June of 2022 since June 22, which is like two weeks ago, including more than 600 added since Monday and at least 44 hospitalization. The state typically reports approximately 50 cases annually. More current infections are in southeastern Michigan, with adults ages 30 to 39 representing the largest group. Vinny, what's going on here with Taco Bell?

Vinny

Well, first. First of all, if I'm going to be honest, Pat, I've never gone to Taco Bell and not have explosive diarrhea afterwards.

Pat

So it's permanent for you, no matter

Vinny

what, no matter And Humberto could vouch for this. Like, and this is a true story, I was dealing with constipation. Remember, like the last trip that we had, I had to take those. No, I'm being dead serious. I had to take Metamucil. Nothing worked. You know, my doctor finally said, what's that? Go to Taco Bell, get a beefy five layer burrito. Get a Baja Blast. I. Oh, no, Adam, I'm dead serious. And I almost didn't make it home. But you know what the, the funniest

Pat

part about this whole thing, the doctor really said.

Vinny

The doctor said, when's the last time you went to Taco Bell? I said, sir, I haven't. You know, he's like, go there right now. And it worked. And I'm telling you guys right now, to be honest, this.

Pat

Tell me you're joking.

Vinny

No, I'm dead serious. My doctor, we're like this. He said, very, very cool. He goes, go to. He's like, when the last time you had a Mexi Melt? And I was like, they don't even make them anymore. He goes, they'll make whatever you want. But you ready for this? This story is not going to change anything. Yesterday we drove by a Taco Bell line wrapped around the damn building. Americans don't give a damn. Remember 15 years ago, Taco Bell admitted that their beef wasn't. It was only 88% beef. The rest of it was binders and seasoning. You know what people said? I don't give a damn. Are you open till 2 o' clock in the morning?

Adam

Yes.

Vinny

Give us some cinnamon twists. I'm going to keep coming to this damn place. I'm telling you right now, even though this is the story, I would still go to Taco Bell. What are you thinking? He's not going to go.

Tom

Do you remember the Chihuahua?

Vinny

Yeah. They sued. Like somebody sued because the voice was being offensive or they stopped using the little, the little Chihuahua.

Tom

But yeah, you'll get a blowing mud.

Pat

So. You know, I used to go to Del Taco a lot because Del Taco on their menu they had the supreme something. Is it the Del Taco menu that had the supreme burritos or something? Oh, I love the Taco Bell.

Vinny

Or they even sold cheeseburgers there.

Pat

Go, go to Taco. Go to Del Taco's menu. Just right there. Can you go to their menu? There was something they have.

Vinny

Oh, you get me so hungry.

Pat

Right there. Keep going lower. What is that guy right there? The big one, the big. Oh, the burrito. Go on the burrito, it's an epic burrito.

Tom

It says colon cleanse.

Pat

What does it say?

Vinny

Jacked up beans. Epic beef and bean burrito.

Pat

That was just ridiculous.

Vinny

I'm gonna go to California.

Pat

So.

Tom

Adam, do not eat within one hour of watching World.

Pat

What Adam likes to do is Adam likes to drive with Uber drivers who go to Delta. Yeah, yeah, that. There you go. Burrito supreme. Is that Taco Bell or Del? Taco.

Vinny

That's Taco Bell, Pedro.

Pat

Apparently, I ate a lot of these back in Glendale days because we had a Taco Bell down the street.

Vinny

Were you regular?

Pat

I've been regular my entire life. I don't have a problem with that. It's just I don't need a Taco Bell to help me out. Adam, your thoughts?

Adam

Listen, that Uber driver situation was the second worst Taco Bell encounter that I've had in the last few months. I don't get why people love Taco Bell.

Vinny

Oh, you don't know.

Adam

Like, my girl loves Taco Bell. I was on my way to her house. She's like, can you stop at Taco Bell? And if you know downtown Miami, this is right. If you get off the highway, there's a Taco Bell right there. Never been there in my life. I go into the restaurant because obviously I pulled up in an Uber and

Vinny

I got a different Uber, like a man.

Adam

And I said, what kind of zombie creature land is going on here? I'm waiting in line here. These two black girls get in a fight, it's my turn. It's my turn. I was like, where do you got me in here? I walked out. Homeless people everywhere. Can I get a dollar? This, that, the other? I said, never again. There's two things I've said in my life before. Never again. The Holocaust, going to Taco Bell. I don't get it. I don't understand why they get it. She. She loves it. It. Being shocked that you have to go to the bathroom right after you go to go to Taco Bell should not be a shocker. That's like saying, hey, I just had a New York street meat hot dog on the corner. Oh, you hurt your stomach? Hurt your tummy? No kidding. I don't get Taco Bell, but I love my girl, so I'm going to get her the Taco Bell. But for me, never again.

Vinny

By the way, the guy that did that, the odds of the 1 in 625 trillion just did a really quick one of how a Holocaust story could come into a Taco Bell diarrhea story. And it's 1 in 50 billion. We pulled it off and we did it.

Adam

Pulled it up strongly, I feel about Taco Bell.

Vinny

Tom has a stat like. Tom. This is something more serious, though.

Tom

Wow. This needs some sort of case study here. Yeah, no, I mean when you. When you. Let me tell you places. Taco Bell. Del Taco. God bless you. By the way, on the state seal of California, they used to joke because they show a Spanish mission and we used to say Taco Bell, you know, part of the state seal in the history of California, which was kind of half true, but crazy.

Vinny

But Tom, you had something about the. Something was in the mia. Tom. So you said something was in the water though, right? Tom, with the lettuce. Something. Something serious though. Let's.

Tom

The products they're talking about are susceptible to, you know, you know, bad pathogens. When water that's contaminated is irrigates the area within like a week of picking.

Vinny

Oh, great.

Tom

Yeah. So.

Vinny

So it's in lettuces. What'd you say, 90. How many?

Pat

98 water.

Vinny

90 water.

Pat

So it's.

Adam

Anyway, guys, lunch is on me today. I sent you some Taco Bell. I'm an UDA Uber delivery. You guys, I know you're in Rhode Island. It'll be.

Vinny

Be there and thanks, buddy.

Adam

About 45 minutes. You'll be in the bathroom in 46 minutes.

Pat

Okay.

Tom

All right.

Pat

So there you go. We finished with a Taco Bell story. If I was to tell you we're going to finish with a Taco Bell story, I would have said you're crazy going back to it again, gang. For those of you guys that would like to be at the network and even be around other people that are seven, eight, nine figure entrepreneurs, some of the people you recognize that are also content creators and you want to be part of a networking event, whatever you do. June 29, 6 to 8pm for anybody that bought Vault Conference tickets, generals will get a networking opportunity, executives will get a tour, founders will get a tour from Tom, and CEOs will get a tour. The entire facility by me, the studio, the podcast set, my office, everything. Those who have already purchased the ticket, can you go to the link of what they need to fill out the information. Humberto. So they can do that. And I put the link below as well. That link we had that is both, I think in the description as well as on the screen that if you're looking at it right now, just go right here. Go. Is there a QR code for them to fill out? Is it shown on the screen right now? As we speak. Perfect. Go on that QR code, fill out the fact you've already bought a ticket, and if you haven't, go to vault2026.com get your ticket. Let's spend three and a half days together, August 31st through September 3rd in Las Vegas, MGM Grand Arena. God bless everybody. Have a great weekend. We'll do it again next week. Take care.

Adam

Bye.

Pat

Bye. Bye. Bye.

Amy Coney Barrett

That.