The Truth Behind Citizen Vigilante - Uwe Boll | PBD Podcast | #829

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Citizen Vigilantes, officially number one on Amazon and number one on Apple. One of the most controversial movies I've ever seen before. If you've seen it, you already know what happened to your emotions. Rage, mixture of feelings of, what is wrong with this guy? I'm siding with him. He's a good guy. No, he's a bad guy. Why did he do this? And if you haven't seen it, when you do, I watch it two times in three days just to see what angles this one. And by the way, it is dark, it is nasty, glorifying the violent message of this film. But it's become hot. Elon Musk made the movie free on X for 48 hours. And so I reached out to the writer, director and producer, Uwe Bo, who's written a lot of controversial things. This guy's even fought five critics that said bad things about his movies. And each one of them he knocked out because he used to be a boxer back in the days growing up in the streets of Germany. And I asked him a few questions. I want you to kind of see it for yourself. One, does he feel people will be inspired to do something about this? Because other people watch it, are like, wait a minute, what's happened in Germany? I'm going to be Germany citizen vigilante. I'm going to be UK citizen vigilante. I'm going to be Australia citizen vigilante. There's a reason why this movie has been banned in Germany and others, because they're worried it could lead to something. But it's also popular. Rotten Tomatoes. Critics gave it an 8%, but the people gave it 94%. 94% of people who watched this movie, they liked it. Why? There's a reason for it. Having said that, enjoy this interview with the director, producer, and the writer of the movie Citizen Vigilante.

B

Did you ever think you would make it, Adam? What's your point?

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The future looks bright. My handshake is better than anything I ever saw.

C

It's right here.

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You are a one of one.

B

My son's right. I don't think I've ever said this.

A

So my guest today is the producer of the movie Citizen Vigilante. U Bo U. It's great to have you on the show here today.

B

Thanks for having me.

A

So out of. I mean, I got a lot of questions to go through with you, but when you made this movie with Army Hammer, did you think it was going to be a number one movie on Apple and Amazon?

B

No, but I think I know I would steer the Pot. You know, that people will flipping out about the movie. That was clear for me because I did something what nobody else even tried to do to give some like brutal real impact into this whole mess of the migration situation in Europe, you know. So I really wanted to put the finger in the wound and show what other people in other movies never would mention. They're covering it up, the sugar coating it. And I was furious about it. That's the reason I did that.

A

So, okay, so we'll get into the movie. But before getting into the movie, can you share with the audience your background? You got a very interesting background on what you've done. So maybe for the audience that doesn't know those who know you, they have an opinion about you. But those who don't, can you share with them your background?

B

Yeah, so I, I doing a lot of movies. I did 40 movies. There were a lot of like stars in it. Jason Statham, Ben Kingsley, Geraldine, Chaplin, Meat Love, Michelle Rodriguez. I shot with a lot of stars. But I started with like 60,000 bucks and doing German fright movie. That was the German version of a Kentucky fright movie, a comedy I love. And that movie was shown in the movie seat. That brought me into the business. So I learned making movies basically in making movies. And so because nobody wanted to produce me, I turned into my own producer too. And that was I think the best decision of my life because so nobody could really take advantage of me in the system. And I was able to. My film company from 1991 is still the same company. So I never went bankrupt or anything. It's still the same company. And as I said, I've made big movies like in the Name of the King with Jason Stassam and Bert Raynolds. Was even in a Ray Liotta for 20th Century Fox and some for Universal alone in the Dark Blood Rain, video game based movies. But I did also a lot of political movies. A Southern Wall street about the 2008 banking crisis, Darfur about the genocide in Darfur. Very hot movie like Hotel Rwanda style, Rampage Postal. So I did a lot of things I've wrote myself. They're more political, more serious and of course the big commercial movies, more like popcorn movies basically got it.

A

And so. But you also took a break and you went and started a restaurant which became, you brought a Michelin star chef and I think it was the number 27 or 37 restaurant in Canada. You made the top 50 list. What was that all about? Why did you leave that to go into the restaurant business?

B

Yeah, I, I lived In Canada. My wife is from Canada. And I missed the food, like the German food, you know. And I felt like I bring a great German chef. And we had the classics too, like, but from the veal, of course, not from any pork. We had sauerbra and stuff like this, like German classics. But we also had a full on tasting menu, like a Michelinsa restaurant. And I did that. 2015, 2016, I shot my movie Rampage Part 3 and stopped movies and felt, okay, I did it so long, I did so much, maybe I should retire from making movies. But then 2020, I felt it's. I have to. I love it too much. I have to go back making movies. And then in a way, Covid came and we had to close the restaurant because of the shutdown. And I felt that's kind of a sign, you know, like to say, you know what? Then we're wrapping it up now. Now we're closing it and we're not reopening. What was very clever, by the way, because in the first week of the shutdown, I felt already that will not go fast away. So I basically closed it right away. Another guy bought all the equipment. And then I said, okay, now I go full back on movies.

A

And on the movie side, again, very interesting for you to go from there to the movies. 40 plus movies. Is it true that you decided to fight 5 of the movie critics and you literally knocked each of them out? Is that a true story? Is that a myth?

B

No, it's a true story. Jeff Snyder from Variety, he had to throw up on the sidewalk. It's all on YouTube. So you can. We did that. We did it in the Plaza of Nations in Vancouver. It was sold out. It was even on pay per view at that point. And it's on YouTube. So it's a lot of. There's even a dooku raging Ball, I think on Amazon or something. And no, I was so loaded up. You know, this reviewers, you see it now with Statistic Vigilante 2, 94 of the audience loves it. But the 10 people who wrote a review, like, typical Over Ball, the worst piece of shit movie ever. So it's like I'm so used that the normal reviewers, they hate my movies because I like making movies in your face, like blunt movies like Dirty Harry, Death Wish. That is the stuff I grew up with. The Wild Bunch is one of my favorite movies. And that's really the stuff I grew up with. And I. I cannot stand all this artificial drumming around the bush, diverse vogue writer, you know, like, I cannot watch it anymore. Star Wars. Oh God, I'm so done with all these movies and the reviewers, they don't like this kind of blunt movies in a way, you know, and they hated me also that I boxed the critics that like he I thought that I found it, for example, you know, and you see, they couldn't box. I boxed when I was young. So I know I cannot really get killed by this, by these people. And then I don't know what clip it is.

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Yeah, I mean I see the numbers. A guy named Peter Bradshaw from Guardian gave it a one of your movies. A zero out of five. Star called it badly acted and political inflammatory. You knocked him out. Variety, Todd Gill, kill Gilchrist, you knocked him out. Then you got the bulwark. Sonny Bunch gave it a one Star wrote the film was so astonishingly bad that it almost harms Armie Ham. You got these newer guys on what they said, the guys in the past that said it is Rich Kianka for founder of Something Awful had some scathing reviews. You fought him, Chris Alexander, you fought him from Rue Morgue magazine, Snyder, which he lost by TKO and enchants mentor. And then last but not least, Carlos Palencia Jimenez Arguello who lost by TKO. Question for you. Take me back to you being 14, 15, 16 years old. Were you a troublemaker? Were you a street kid? Were you a gangster? Were you a fighter? Who were you at 14, 15, 16 years old?

B

No, I was in a boxing club and I trained really four or five times a week. That's also saying, you know, when I talk to this kind of Green Party members who were always pampered and never had contact to street crime people or also, I mean when you go to a boxing club you have a lot of people from around the world. You have the Albanians and so on. And I know that they understand basically only strengths. They respect strong rules and strong like, you know, like they laughing about you when you're weak, they beat you up. So and I think our governments mostly they don't get that, that they don't get that they don't understand that if you give these people the street, they will take the street. And because they are like all your poor guy from Afghanistan, whatever, you know, poor guy from Syria. And when you have a harder hand with them, that it's in reality this is what they understand. You know when they getting it like if you steal as a migrant in London in the warehouse, you will get removed the next day. Then they maybe stop stealing. But when they think like nothing will ever happen to me, I can do Whatever I want. Then it keeps going with grabbing women, raping woman, stabbing other people, robbing people, or having this grooming gangs. What, what we have. That all happens because they're not scared of the law. They know like, oh, in the end they say I'm a traumatized refugee, I just had to rape that woman. So. And all this stuff, it's like a lot of these people, they talk about people like this, but they never met them. I mean I know people since they were like 5 years old. They are like the Albanian mafia. You know, you could order whatever you want. If I was at the boxing club and I wanted a new like disc player, I gave them the thing. I want that disc player. And they're like, next training, I got the disc player for 50 bucks instead of 500 bucks. So I know how these people think and how they operate. They give a shit about the law. So that's the thing. But they respect people. They also showing strengths and are not scared. So that's the big misunderstanding about like criminal migrants like this gangs and the clans and so on, you know, and they abusing the system. I said also yesterday at the Piers Morgan, I'm not against migrants. I mean if you go somewhere, I don't care about your religion, your skin color, I work in my movies with all nations together shot in Africa everywhere. But I have something against criminal migrants. Like criminals who abuse the system, the social welfare system, but also who are risk factors and going around and, and killing people. Put pushing people in front of a subway, stabbing people, random stabbings. That's the reason I did that opening scene in Citizen Vigilante where that mother gets stabbed and bleeds out. We had that thousands of times in, in reality and when then the, the, the guy was yesterday from the Guardian. He acts like the crimes are all the Nazis doing against or right wing people doing crimes against migrants. No, it's like a hundred times different. Like it's a hundred times more where migrants doing crimes from school bullying to theft to, to, to rape, stealing, pickpocketing, everything. I mean it's a criminal statistic that it shows it a hundred percent that that's, that's 700 higher crime rate under, under migrants. So. And I think the problem is with a lot of people is they're not even willing to accept the facts. You know, even Piers Morgan yesterday, he said like there's no problem with the illegal migration from Islamistic countries in England. I mean, is he blind? You know, is he living in the palace?

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That's a very strong position that that when he was here, he and I talked about that, and he's firm on that. He really believes there's nothing that's going on with that. And obviously a lot of people disagree with that. But this story you made, the character that's played by Armie Hammer, he is a rich guy that inherits a bunch of wealth, right? Real estate wealth, all this stuff. And his mother obviously gets killed while they're leaving the liquor store. And the father wasn't really in the picture. Is. Is the character Sanders played by Armie Hammer based on somebody you know, or did you create that character?

B

No, I created that. I created.

A

Okay, you created that character. Okay. So, yeah, you know, and so when you. When you. When you called army and you shared with them, hey, this is what I'm thinking about. What was the reaction when you shared with them that you wanted to have this part? How did he receive the character?

B

No, he read what I wrote. He said, oh, that's tough stuff. But the good thing is he was in a situation. He needed the money, he needed to make the movie. He wanted to go back to acting. And I think it's a great character to come back to acting. I told him, like, that's a lead part. Like, you will be like the An. In a way, an action star back to do this. To do this movie, you know, and he was perfect for it. I mean, look at him. He would be perfect to be James Bond, the new James Bond. So. And he really delivered the part. I saw your show where you said you never saw, like, it as a real dark movie, but this is what I wanted, you know, I wanted it that you. It's unforgettable that the people. Like, that's maybe too much, you know, so. Because, of course, the overall impact of the movie should be, like, not like, okay, let's be all vigilantes now. We shoot everybody who doesn't have a bus ticket. No, the idea is the governments need to make sure to protect their citizens, that you are, like, peacefully can walk in the inner city and be not scared that somebody stabs you from behind. And that's the message that, like, you need to bring security to the streets. Otherwise people will revolt. People will say, it's enough now.

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Okay, so when we do this. So wait, let's stay on that, because I've had Dominic Tarzinski on from Poland. I don't know if you know who he is. Dominic Tarzinski, and he's a big fan of this movie. He posted it all over the place. Poland has the Lowest crime rate in all of Europe, 0.3%, lowest unemployment, lowest anything. And he says, we will not let one Muslim in our country. That's his words, not one, zero. And he says, because of that, we have the lowest crime rate. And he said this over and over again. If you can find that clip of him saying that when he's being questioned about it. So then here's the question. If, say, the government doesn't do anything, because they're not. I mean, in the movie, you saw that other character which becomes the villain who is supposed to stop Sanders, and he's representing the government that's there to take care of him and says, you can't do this. He says, I don't like what my government's not doing, but my job is to stop a guy like you because you're not supposed to do what you're doing. What do you say if, when I watched the movie Joker with Joaquin Phoenix, I don't know if you've seen the Joker. I think you probably like a movie like that because it's kind of. There was a 43rd minute where the. The enemy became the capitalist. So it's kind of like, go kill the capitalist. And then you have Luigi Mangione that goes and kills the CEO of United Healthcare in America. And it was a massive story all over the place, right? But some people were like, he did the right thing. So let's flip it here. So let's just say if somebody watches this movie and they live in UK, if 100 tough guys that are street thugs have nothing to live for, their dad is dead, their mom's not in the life, nothing. They watch this and they say, if the UK government's not going to do anything, if the Spain government's not going to do anything, and they're inviting even more migrants in, if the France government's not going to do anything, we're gonna take it on to ourselves. We're gonna go kill these rapists ourselves. Say 100 people in Europe decide to take it on upon themselves, including in Australia, and they go kill a thousand rapists and they do what he did. Sanders, in a movie, do you look at those people as heroes or do you look at those guys as villains?

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No, I mean, of course I would always say you should not murder people you shouldn't kill. Right. So in general, but having said that, I think that's the. Mathematically, like, chance gets higher and higher as more illegal migration comes from people. They don't bring value to the society. And they even demand this Kind of they demand the street. I give you, give you an example. I was in Frankfurt, I was sitting in a restaurant and there came a demonstration train basically with a woman with the book on top of a pickup truck. She had the microphone. Police was there to protect the Palestine ends or whatever, pro Gaza demonstration. And she was yelling in the microphone, cops are pigs, pigs, pigs. Kill the pigs, pigs, pigs. That was she yelling. That was basically everything that she never said anything else. When the train moved by and I was sitting in that restaurant and I felt like, are we crazy? Like what that cops should think about it. So they protecting these guys that they can do a free demonstration where they basically say kill these guys who protect us here right now. And we are in Frankfurt where all the banks from Europe are in the super high tech city and nothing we ever did in our countries is even close to one building in Frankfurt. So. And I felt like, you know, that's insane. It's insanity to, to give this stuff like a chance for me. These people should get deported the next day. Sorry, It's, I mean it's like there is no way around it. If we don't get a hard hand against like criminals or people coming into the country who in any form are not useful for the country and just get social welfare and then going on the street and demonstrating like this, I mean, what, what are we doing? You know, and, and the normal like lower middle class in Germany, they barely make it through and in America the same, they barely make it paycheck to paycheck and they work the whole time. And then they see these people, they're getting six kids, it's six times €300 every month just for the kids. Then they get free housing, they get free health care, free schools. You know, I mean you, you have to make €5,000 to get what they get for free. And that, that's crazy. We have to finish this welcome culture and just like have our own interests first and say, look guys, when you come here and you work and you integrate, you pay taxes, you're welcome from whatever country you come, but we cannot continue to get like plates like this. That's, that's really. You get played. And you know, I have Muslim friends. I've nothing against Muslims, but like radical Sharia teaching Islam has nothing to do in Europe or America. That's just like that, that's, that's against everything we ever learned against civilization, against natural science, against any other religion because they should die in their, in their ideas. And I don't know why so many like normal Muslims a lot of times kind of protecting them and, and, and not like criticizing that louder, you know, saying no, that's, that's ridiculous. If people running around and stabbing people, pushing them down the stairs, grandma's down the stairs. Like people like I saw so many over the time. And then you discuss with people, they say no, it's no problem. That's. Other people rape other people too. Like in marriages people. Husbands rape women. Yeah, but not in a bush with 15 teenagers. I mean it's insane. There are huge difference in the, in the way crime is done by this migrant gangs and stuff like this. And I will never forget I watched a video where a guy with a baby carriage went to Paris. Like a father with his baby in the baby cage and the guy comes, steps him in the neck and he bleeds out on the ground and is dead. And the baby is in the baby carriage. Like we'll never see the father. So why we do this to us, why these people are there, why these people are not gone, you know, so that's the thing. It's like this, so suicidal.

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Here's my question for you though. If the government's not going to do any. This is what I'm trying to go to because this movie was made. My opinion, Let me ask you because you're the creator of the movie. How much of this movie was to inspire? How much of this movie was to entertain?

B

No, I think all my movies always have to entertain too. Right. So they have to be not boring. That's the worst thing you can do with a movie. And unfortunately a lot of movies are too boring. But no, it is too. But it is not to inspire to burn the city down. It is to bring the pressure and to open the eyes of this kind of vogue left. People who close their eyes and don't want to see the reality. They never had contact to violent people. They never had, they never saw people getting beaten up. I mean I saw that non stop when I was young. Right. So I. And that's the thing. It's like they have no experience with violence in, in a way and that how fast it can escalate, you know, and, and they sugarcoat it. They just think that's not what accepting it as long they don't get it. You know, a lot of these people, I think if they are one time in their life in a dangerous or violent situation, they would maybe start thinking a little different about it, you know, so. And that's the thing. It's. It's like I was in Berlin actually this year. And they played my movie Run and that was Amanda Plumber. Like it's also about a kind of refugees, but they played the movie, the movie theater. So I went back to the airport at 9 o' clock with the subway and then the, the, the streetcars basically. And I was completely alone. And the last things, because it was the late flight out, there was nobody in that thing besides me and five or six, like they looked like Arab gang members. And they saw in a way I had like a glass bottle in my hand. I always buy me then a glass bottle before I do stuff like this, you know, because a glass bottle is a perfect weapon. And they didn't, they didn't do anything with me. So they felt like, no, it's not worth the risk. But if I would be a girl in that subway, in that streetcar thing for like 20 minutes, completely alone in the middle of the night, basically driving there, she would definitely not be safe. They could grab her out on any station what was holding because the Berlin airport, the new one is very far out of Berlin and you go to no Man's land for like 25 minutes. So. And they could grab her out there and she would be toast. So. And that's the thing. It's, it's like, what do you think needs to happen?

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What do you think? But, but what do you think needs to happen to those six, seven men that say would have raped her? Because I had Rupert Lowe on, On the podcast two weeks ago, he wrote the report on the 250,000 rape accusations of 87% being Pakistani. I had the whole report, I read the whole report. I had him on, we had the conversation about it. If the government's not willing to do anything to those who rape these individuals, what do you think needs to happen to them? Say the government does nothing. Say the next 20 years they go rape another 5 million people. The 5 million innocent young girls the next 10 years.

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Yeah.

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Do you think, what do you think the average somebody who is a gangster mafia street guy who has nothing to live for, do you think it's okay if they go take care of those sex seven boys, men that raped that 14, 15 year old girl?

B

No. And that's the thing, you know, it's like if this would happen to my daughter and disguise would be free, they would be not safe, that I can tell you. Right. So they would like, if they're not going to jail for what they did, in my case, they would be not safe. That I guarantee you.

A

And you should be comfortable, you going to jail. If these guys did something to your daughter because you brought it up, you would be okay with the consequence of what happens to you?

B

Yeah, if they catch me, you know, so, yeah, so, and, and that, that's, that's the thing. But I understand that a lot of people would just live with it and would be very sad about it and would be depressed about it and they have a miserable life. I mean, the thing is where I flipped out on that journalist in Hamburg who even said the perpetrators are also victims, victims of wrong integration. So now these people, the rapist living 15 blocks away from the girl, it's not like they had the money. They were all lower end, the girl too, so they were still living there. It's not like, okay, now we move away from Hamburg. No, the father has a job, so they have to stay there. So now she could be every day meeting the rapist and the rapist could laugh their asses off saying, yeah, I wasn't even in jail, I was 17. The judge felt I'm too young, whatever.

C

So.

B

And that's why I did this harsh end scene where he just shoots everybody where, where you know, the sister posts like they're all whores, that the girls are all whores because they're not like having the book on. They have been running around with a bikini. So. And I basically did in that movie what a lot of people think, what a lot of people in a way then, at least in that movie, because in real life it doesn't happen. They celebrating it because it was so crystal clear, you know, saying, look, dear government, if you don't prosecute hard crimes, I mean, for a rape like this, how can you be not even getting any jail, like probation? I mean, for what you get, like, you do a tax fraud, you're five years in prison. So. And then you do like a hot gang rape and you walk free and everybody pats on your back like, oh, you, you had a hard childhood in Afghanistan. So I understand from time to time you have to rape a woman. I mean, that's insane. And the, the thing is they should get 10 to 15 years or even better, they should leave Germany the day after the rape and go to wherever they come from, you know, and then you tell the Taliban in Afghanistan, when they're from Afghanistan, this guy's a rapist. You do your law on them because they were illegal in Germany from the get go and now we bring them back to you. So have, do whatever you want. I give a. So that's the thing. I mean, I don't know, maybe I'm too radical on this, but I know only I personally would not take. If somebody steps my son and he bleeds out or my wife bleeds out in front of me, the disguise would be not safe, I guarantee you.

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Let me ask you, and by the way, why do you think there isn't more of that? Meaning if these 250 kids were raped, 250,000 rape stories that you have in UK specifically. We're not even talking about Germany and other places. Why do you think there isn't more citizen vigilantes? When we set out to create a shoe that blends comfort, function and luxury, we had the choice to make it fast. We had the choice to make it cheap. We chose neither. Instead, we chose Tuscan Italy. We chose true Italian craftsmanship. Each pair touched by 50 skilled hands. We chose patience, spending two years perfecting every detail. And we chose the finest quality at every step. Introducing the future. Looks bright collection. Not rushed. Not disposable. Not ordinary, rather intentional. Luxurious, timeless. These are, these are somebody. This is someone's daughter. This is someone's brother and sister. This is someone's child. Like, why do you think there aren't more radical things happening like this?

B

No, because the people are mostly unable to do something. They're like sheep, right? So they're scared. They're scared of the consequences. They are then pick the way to not fight. They pick the way to be depressed. They are basically. Yeah. They cannot do it. It's like they're. I would not say they want to follow the law. I would say if your family gets killed, you don't want to follow the law. Everybody would want revenge. But most of the people, they, they just cannot handle it. They cannot do it themselves. They don't know people. They, they can go and do harm to other people. They, that's the thing. It's like a totally different kind of world. And. Yeah, but look, when you talk about backbone, for example, you don't, you don't find. Also in America even. Like, look at the film industry. You know how many people I know who are actors or people in the film industry? They voted for Trump and they never says it, say it. If they would always say, don't say it over. Don't say to anybody, you will never work again, blah, blah, blah. And I said, I give a shit, like I always said, what. I mean, I don't care what the consequences. So. And, but they know, oh, I need. I would never work again at the Netflix TV series or I will never get a job there. So if people are scared to even say who they voted for or why they voted for somebody because they could have a financial disadvantage out of it, that shows that most of the people, they just don't have any courage. So then they would never do anything. What is actually could have a jail penalty for them as a consequence. They would not do this. So that, I think, is the reason that so many people just are then too weak. They don't pull it off.

A

So, you know, this is such a complicated movie. I watch it twice in three days and my wife comes in, she's like, why are you watching it again? I said, because, you know, I just have to watch this one more time. So I went, I didn't watch it one time. I watched twice in three days. And it's so complicated. It is so complicated because whenever I would talk to some Italian mothers who lived in New York city, say they're 75 years old, and they would say they missed a mob being in New York City, I said, you missed a mob? Yes, we missed a mob.

C

Why?

A

Nobody would mess with us from the outside. And as long as you respected them, they were good. They took out their own. I said, but I mean, so you don't support the fact that Rudy Giuliani got rid of the criminals and he cleaned up the streets? She says, yes and no. I said, tell me why yes and no? He says, because once they got cleaned up, other people from the outside came in to try to take advantage of us. And nobody feared the mob anymore because they were gone. So they started abusing. So the opposition started. And even in la, there was an area called Manhattan Beach. I don't know if you've been to Manhattan Beach.

B

Yeah, yeah.

A

It's a very wealthy area. And you don't mess with Manhattan beach. It's probably 65, 70% Republican. And it's people in Hollywood that nobody wants to know. The Republican Hollywood people that live there. And one time Black Lives Matter was going there to protest. I want to say the Mongols or Hell's Angels biker gang showed up. And he said, you ain't coming across here. You're just not. And so it took the gangsters and street guys to push away from protesters and the other guys that were going to come and destroy the city.

C

So it's.

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This is why it's a very, very complicated story. Because if a family's living in Europe and their government is not doing their part to keep them safe, what are you supposed to do?

C

Leave.

A

Don't do anything. You call the cops they won't do anything. There was a guy yesterday and a young guy that is being bullied in the streets. White guy in uk. I don't know if you saw this or not. He's being pushed around. The cop comes and the cop accuses the white kid instead of the ones that are trying to beat him up. And it was the most random thing that you're seeing online here. This is the clippy. I want you to watch this. This is, I believe, in Birmingham. Go ahead. Yeah, he's correct. How is. The cops are arresting the kid that's being bullied by the other seven, eight kids. I mean, this is. This is the weirdest thing to see happening in a place like. So what is somebody supposed to do? Just allow. The cops are not even going to protect the person that's being bullied.

B

No, because the cops know the white kid will not grab a knife and stab them. So it's easy to. Like, in a way, the cops are scared already and obeying to the street violence. They. They are like. Like, you see, it's a little woman. So. And cops in England, I don't think they have even guns. What is completely absurd in a way. And. But in England, I think they never had guns for whatever reason. And I think. So they cheat, grabs him because he's kind of an easy target for this. And it's not going after them. And I mean, interesting. When you. When you came up with the health engines, I followed Two and a Half Years as a documentary. For me, it will come out in the US too. It was here on Amazon. I followed the banditos two and a half years. So I know all the banditos all everywhere around Europe and made a documentary. So I came very close to them and where the banditos are similar to the Hell's Angels when they go to a world run. It was. The last world run was in Barcelona in Spain. They're like 4,000 banditos and when they are there, there is no crime in the whole city. It's like nobody steals. Yeah, that's the Bandidos. No, nobody. Yeah, that's my movie. You see on the. In the middle, in the below.

A

Yeah, I see it. Yes.

B

Yeah, yeah, that's my movie. So. And it's absolutely safe when you around them and when they are somewhere, they tell like the city. Don't worry about it. Similar what you said with the. With the Mongols or the Hells Angels. When they promise something, they hold it up. That's the reason they don't cooperate with the law enforcement. They have Their own laws and, and, but they follow strict orders. Nobody is going completely balloony. That guy would be like not, not seen anymore or whatever out of the club. What is then like very bad for somebody if you get like out of a club without. You have to give the vest away and you are basically free to chase, you know, like this kind of stuff. And that was for me very interesting. And my Doku is kind of positive about the banditos because inside the thing there was honor and you keep your word. There was, you know, they, that that's the thing. It's like. And we, we are not getting it done similar in the, in our population anymore. Everybody, everybody is caved in for themselves. Nobody helps the other person. And I saw a lot of things in banitas when people had financial problems. They get, they're getting helped by the club and it's not always like, okay, now we give you ten grand and then you have to do right away something for us. No, it's like they taking care of their brothers. That's a fact, you know.

A

Yeah. And you know, I mean, I'm sure, you know, this, you know, this movie is going to inspire people to be Sanders. If you haven't already seen, have you seen the stories of what people are doing around the world based on the inspiration of this movie? You know, you're seeing stories with a guy in Mexico that's going and you know, taping robbers and you know, there's a bunch of, you know, low key Sanders, you know, stepping up around the world that are inspired by the movie that you made. By the way, do you think Sanders in a movie is a hero?

B

Not. I would not say he's a hero. I portrayed him as like kind of a cold guy who has not a lot of emotions, whatever. But he's doing the, in a way he's doing the right thing. He corrects injustice and he goes after criminals. They otherwise can do whatever they want. And I think a very good scene is in the bus where there's three kids in a bus don't pay the ticket. And he pays the ticket for them and tries to explain it to them. Because I felt that scene is very important to show that our society doesn't work if part of the society don't put anything in, you know, like when nobody pays the bus ticket, there are no more buses. That is what he basically tells them. So he paid the ticket for them. But you cannot as a citizen just expect that other people pay your bills, that you do nothing in return. And that's very simple. And but that's the idea of a lot of now also in America, like this kind of more socialist communist also gets in Germany, gets bigger and bigger. The left party, really Communist have over 10% in Germany already. So it's that this kind of like, you know what? We just take it, we seize it. Like the mime dummy, like the mayor of New York. We're just like, oh, that guy has 250 million bucks. We just take half of it. Otherwise the next step is now we charge the building he has or whatever. But the next step would be we just seize it. Like we take it from his bank account. That's all over the media. That's all over in universities where they teach this. Like, you know what if somebody has too much? We just seize it. Like otherwise incarceration. That are the ideas from the left. You know, they're always flipping out of the ideas of the right wing parties. But the left also in America, they have ideas they would destroy everything. What like America built or what, like Europe built? You know, if you feel like if I make any money, yeah, that's the straight way to get shot. And they take all my money away because, I mean, by accident I got rich and now I'm a piece of. Because I worked hard and got some money. That's the mentality that it gets bigger and bigger. That mentality gets bigger and bigger and bigger. And I got letters. I had a movie set up here in Germany and I got various letters from actors I hired before. And they said based on this movie, now they can never work with me again. So they came, they came in like two, three, four days ago.

A

And these are big name actors.

B

No, they were like good actors. Do you know them from TV shows? But I'm not saying the names now, but they were booked basically for the show. I'm thinking about canceling that whole show now and like, okay, then we do it another time. But that's very frustrating, you know, when you, when you feel like this kind of propaganda made people change this drastical way that they don't even know. Like, you know, that the human connection, whatever, you know, it's, it's unbelievable. It's, it's. It's really like it goes in a wrong direction. And I think this political radicalism in general, especially from the left, is going slowly out of control. You know, I had a whole discussion with a Kamala Harris fan and I, I said, look, if you really believe in the borders are open. Eight million people coming into the US during the Biden time. Why is Then when I land in New York City, I have to show my passport to somebody, to an immigration officer. For what? I mean, if you think that doesn't matter anymore who goes in and out and all borders are open and you just open the south border and 8 million people from Latin America coming in. But why I then get tacked down and tasered. If I was just past the immigration and would say, I'm not showing anything anymore, for what? So. And she said, yeah, good point, we should get rid of them. That was her reaction. But that's where we stand already, you know, it's crazy.

A

Yeah. I mean, a part of this movie for me, I think you increase the tension of emotions so high, so high. The rage to want to seek vengeance because. And the way it is done, like if you watch the second Top Gun, not the first one, Maverick, the second one, if you watch it closely, the one thing they did very interesting is they didn't tie the Enemy to any country. I don't know if you've seen Maverick, the second one, there is no country. So you're not. It's not like Rocky 4. Drago is Russian. Hey, you know, if he can change and I can change, anybody can change. And he's kind of trying to bring USSR and US closer. The enemy was Russia, right? You watch some of these movies, you know who the enemy is. If you watch Gladiator, it's the ultimate revenge movie. But you don't get out hating a country, you get out hating Joaquin Phoenix and Maximus is the hero. But when you watch this movie, Citizen Vigilante, it is very clear the statements that Sanders makes. I don't think your country send the best kind to us. That one line, the post, where the sister says she deserved it because the clothes she wore. Do you want me to take the post down? The 14 year old boy that raped six or seven of his friends and he says, call all your friends to come over. The scene is a very epic scene. I'm not going to call them. 5, 4, 3, 2, call him, call him. He calls him one by come over and bring everybody else. And then boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, one and then boom, boom, boom. Kills the. That, that is a very vicious scene. And then the, the judge scene, which if you don't mind if I have your permission to show you the scene from the judge. You know the part where they're in the car and you know, he's like, he plays the clip. You know where Sanders is showing the clip, you know which one I'm talking about?

B

Yes.

A

If you go to 22 seconds on this clip, I think it starts at 22 seconds. You're too bright. Go a little bit back. Okay, watch this. I want the audience to see this. This is to set it up. Would you mind explaining this to the audience what's going on here before we play this clip?

B

Yeah. So that was the judge who actually let the rapists go. Right. So who basically didn't give them real jail penalties. And then Sanders basically had the material from the press conference over this press statement he did and shows it to him during. He kidnapped him, you know, to confront him with what he said. Basically. That's the clip.

A

Yeah. And he puts heroin in his neck to get him to not be. So he is in the car right now. The judges to the right, Sanders is to the left. He's taking him somewhere and he plays this clip for him. Go for it.

B

Let's see what you have to say.

C

Hi, this is all I have prepared and this is all what I'm going to say to you. Our politics failed to integrate teenage migrants into our society. Also didn't give them the help to function by our rules and our laws. The gangrene was in a way a crime for help and structure. Not only the young girl is the victim, they are also victims.

A

Because you really believe that not only

C

the victim, also the perpetrators get in trauma to us. It doesn't help the young girl if they're getting locked up now and getting their normal life for a long time denied. That's all, gentlemen.

A

That was you after letting a gang of rapists free. You can pause it right there. I mean, look, I don't care where you are politically, you watch that. That generates rage away that. That gen. And by the way, was that based on a real life judge that did that, that you depicted that individual?

B

Yes, there was the judge from the Hamburg Volkspark case who said that, you know, and I felt in a movie, fictional movie, you can put that out, you know, you can say, look, that it's my rage, right? It's. It's like I wrote this with rage. So I. I felt like in what world I'm living now here, that people get away with this and not getting fired. Like this judge, how can he be still a judge? That's completely insane and that has to get corrected. Like, where's the honor of a judge? Like, for what? You have paragraphs with whatever. Bank robbery, eight years murder, lifelong prison. I mean, for what is that written? If you can just completely ignore it and make this kind. Yeah, that's the thing, you know, and 14 years she was at the rape, so at the trial, then she was 15 or 16 years old. That's insane. It's all like that. It's disgusting. And we have to stop. And also, Muslims have to stop protecting perpetrators and criminals only because they're Muslims. That's not a question of any religion here. It has. With nothing to do with religion. It has to do with this kind of no moral, no values, you know, if that's connected to religion, okay. But it's, for me, connected to. You never learned what the most simple rule I think in life is. You don't do to others what you don't want that they do to you. So if you have that rule, you don't need basically any other rule. So. But they never learned. They learned like, if you're weak, we can do whatever you want with you, and you don't deserve it because you're weak. And that was the same. You know, I saw so many times when I was still boxing that you had like this kind of like, I have to say, more like from the Arab countries. You had new people coming to boxing. They couldn't box at all. So they did a sparring and then they got heavy knocked out, beaten, and they were laughing their asses off. And I have to say, I could never do something like this to people that cannot defend themselves. Only if the movie secret is in the ring. But even there I was not really hitting them. Devastating. So. But if you see this guy tries to learn to box, you don't beat him up and give him a concussion. But they were laughing at us. They loved it and felt like. So that's the. That's also early learned by me. There is a different mentality to it, and it's. It's like there is no mercy. They feel good. Like when they beat up the video, you shoot me with the. With the kid. Like, there were like four or five guys and they were like enjoying it to beating him up. Look, he's all alone now. He's scared. Now we do this, now we do that. So that's the typical behavior. I saw that 100 times myself, and I think that's disgusting. And I think, like, as I said, if you come in our countries and you show behavior like this, then you're not a fit. Then you need to get removed.

A

Yeah. You know, they say in their own country, if they did it, they would be killed. They say that if they did that in their own country, they would get killed. But not in European Countries. The story that you're talking about the German gang who raped a 14 year old girl and left her like a piece of meat spar jail. There's another one that says you know what happened with them with the 2020 Hamburg Park Gang. By the way, nobody gave the name of. Nobody gave the name of the judge. So they don't even know who the judge was. Eight or nine people raped him and German woman given harsher sentence than rapist for calling him a pig. I mean this is. Do you think they realize if they keep doing this eventually it won't be long till one of these countries experiences a revolution. I mean you see what a Tommy Robinson is doing and he's just going out there trying to make some noise. But which by the way, I think Tommy Robinson was just interviewed by Australian reporter. I don't know if you saw that one or not. He was with Carl Stefanovok if you're familiar with him or not. Tommy was on Carl Stefanova. I think the Australian guy got fired right off the bat. So you see a Tommy Robinson in UK going out there making noise and people are showing up. Tens of thousands of people showing up and that revolution hasn't happened yet. But if these guys don't fix it especially UK having 7 different prime ministers in the last 10 years. My worry truly my worry is and this is the conflict of the individual watching your movie. My worry is this movie is going to give birth to hundreds of Sanders around the world. Do you worry about that?

B

Look, as a filmmaker I cannot like I look the consequences of a movie if something happens I whatever the JFK movie from Oliver Stone maybe opened everybody's new investigation and thinking about was it not Lee Harvey Oswald alone. Maybe that movie when that came out also changed in a way history. It A lot of people started thinking about that whole JFK backstory again. And I think you make a good movie if you make your impact on society on thinking about stuff and maybe also leaving an imprint. I would never say that I'm responsible for any violent acts people do because they watch the movie. I think the problem makes them violent. You know, if there's no problem why they should get violent. I mean the people are so fed up by this completely ignorant politicians sitting in Europe and watching Starmer Macron and Merz living in a completely absurd parallel world to the society is not only in that migrant crisis. I mean we can don't even want to start on the Ukraine war and stuff like this.

C

It's.

B

It's insane. They completely don't do anything for their own population, like nothing. They save everywhere money and go deeper in debt. But they're handing out money to everybody, like worldwide and they say, look, we are the. It's all about how we're standing there more like like the. On the good side of, of history, you know, and whatever. And then it turns out Ukrainians blowed up our pipeline with Russia and damaged us 100 billion bucks. And prosecution. No, it were Ukrainians our best buddies. But why our best buddies blow up our pipeline, right? Because they're not our best buddies. So as an example, it's totally absurd. You know the biggest Bugatti, like whatever dealer, Bentley dealer is in Kiev. Why, why all that money, what we sent there hundreds of billions. Why not a lot of people like on the front lines in the Ukraine, they don't even have something to eat. Where's all that money? You know? So that's, that's the thing. It's like, it's. We see it left and right. I don't justify Putin's invasion of, of Ukraine. You should never did that. But you also cannot have a blind eye of the total corruption in the Ukraine. It's completely corrupt. The whole country is completely corrupt. And they stealing left and right. That's the reason there are no elections to just stay in power. And as long as the war, as long as they could stay in power and scrap 20% of everything what comes in. It's that stuff. I mean it's an endless loop about European politicians where you feel like you don't care about your own taxpayers. I mean I pay all this stuff as a taxpayer, all this and I don't want to pay. I don't want to put my money for governments. They just give it all away. I don't know if you ever saw the. The only. I think I have to go even to a different thing. I have a Reddit thing going. But the thing is we paid bicycle lanes in Peru, like Germany, like tens of millions of dollars to build in Peru bicycle lanes, you know, and our schools falling apart or bridges don't get repaired. And you think like what is wrong with you guys? Are you insane? I mean that's really. That the normal German person people are like a lot of friends on from all different social classes. I, I have around me and we all together think they lost completely their mind in the last eight years. It's basically. I don't know what covet or the vaccine did to their brains, but they lost it. It's like completely over. You don't Even know what to talk about it anymore. And with the migration issue, you have it right in front of you. They're going in the middle through Frankfurt and say, kill everybody who is here. And you say, good for you.

A

Wait, let me ask you. How much money did it cost you to make this? What was the amount that it cost you to make the movie?

B

Only 4 million bucks.

A

And how much have you made so far? How much has a movie made so far?

B

That you have to ask Quiver Entertainment.

A

Okay. You don't know that. You don't know it yet?

B

No, no. I get every half year in accounting, and I hope I get my money back in half a year. Right. So. But so so far, I basically didn't get any money back. But now, slowly but steady with. With other countries rolling it out.

A

Has army committed. Has army committed to Vigilante, too?

B

I didn't really talk with him about it. I said, look, that could be a franchise, and I think we should do it. And. But I have to talk more serious about it because as I said right now, I do a lot of, like, press and stuff. You know, I wrote down even ideas for the second part. I'm sure we do it. And if army is not out of his mind, he of course comes back

A

and has any other actors, like big names, Mel Gibson, actors like that, has anybody reached out and say, hey, this was very interesting. We'd love to work with you on something.

B

Not Matt Gibson, but I would. I mean, maybe he's busy with shooting something, but he will love the movie. I. I know Stallone will love the movie his brother tweeted about already. Stallone's brother loved it. I know the whole thing from Tulsa. King Gorilla, Frank Grillo, James Russo, they all love the movie. So there. I know a lot of people in the industry laughed the movie.

A

Is there anybody specifically you'd want to work with on the next project? Anyone specifically in mind?

B

No, I saw it, like, when. What is her name? Gina Corallo.

A

Like Gina Carano? Yep.

B

Yeah, she tweeted about it and said, that's great. I love it. I would totally put her in it.

A

Why? We'll put you guys in a group text. Are you in touch with her or. No?

B

Only via X. But if you. If you know her personally. Absolutely.

A

I'm gonna put you guys in a group text. I'll put you guys on a group text together.

B

Yeah, that would be great. You know, I think she. She had a. She got canceled Unjustified and came back. She's a good actress, and she would be kick ass as I feel the second part should have a few guys, you know, maybe not only one person.

A

I mean, listen, the. The movie 90, I think 94, 95 on rotten tomatoes by people and 8% by critics, which I always look at the people, not the critics, because I know what the critics are going to be saying. Last question before I wrap up is the following people said the following about Citizen Vigilante. Peter Bradshaw from Guardian gave it a zero out of five. Todd Gilchrist from Variety gave it. He said movie feels Russian more interested in pushing an idea than telling a compelling story. Sonny Bunch from Bulwark gave it a one out of four star and Nicholas Bell from Fish Jelly Films gave it a 0.5 out of 5. Described an inept vigilante movie that amplifies xenophobia, phobia. Would you be willing to fight every one of these guys who just called you out on Citizen Vigilante?

B

Absolutely.

A

Okay, great. I'm sure they'll be reaching out, especially

B

if I, before the fight, just read the review again and let's get ready.

A

That'd be great. Anyways, Uwe, congrats on the success with the movie. Very, very controversial, conflicted movie. But I had to watch it a couple times because the emotions the movie produces and I look forward to seeing Citizen Vigilante 2 as well here soon.

B

Thank you so much. Thank you for everything. All the best.

A

Take care. Bye bye.

B

Bye bye.

A

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