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Paid for by Super Sure Insurance Agency llc, a licensed insurance agency. I'm going to name a bunch of things that used to get you kicked out of polite society. Being a pornographer. Hitting a 15 year old girl with a belt on camera in essentially a sexual fetish video. Bragging about teaching men to pimp hoes. Suckering women into posing nude on camera for your own financial gain. Running a grift business where you convince ignorant young men that if they post videos of you shirtless, you in your Romanian warehouse with fancy cars smoking cigars with a bunch of clout, chasing women in the background, they will get rich. Teaching those same young men that all women are trash and whores. You know, people who did such things. Things like this used to be unwelcome. Unwelcome to dinner, unwelcome at church, unwelcome in the halls of power, and unwelcomed by important and influential voices shaping our politics and Our culture no longer. But here is the thing. Sin has consequences. Always and forever. On Saturday morning, Andrew Tate and his brother Tristan were arrested in Miami for extradition to the UK on 38 new criminal charges, bringing the total charges against them to 59 criminal charges, including child and extreme pornography, rape and sexual assault. I'll explain all the details, why this is happening and what comes next. But far more importantly, I want to talk about why these two obvious scumbags and grifters were welcomed into polite society, championed as heroes and as truth tellers. Because a society that embraces sin destroys itself. We'll get to all that in a moment. Plus, the latest in Iran, Hassan Piker channeling Dwight Schrute and Sherman Mao and much more. This is the Ben Shapiro Show. Sin has consequences. I know it's not cool to point out that sin actually exists and that it actually happens has real world consequences. So here's the good news. I don't give a damn about being cool. I mean, look at me. I've never been cool and I don't care. I have never cared. I will never care. Because the truth is still the truth and reality is still reality. And sin always has and always will have consequences. Engaging in sin is like jumping off a 100 story, building. The first 99 stories super fun. And then that last story, your face meets the concrete. Yesterday, pornographer, grifter, alleged rapist and admitted pimp Andrew Tate and his idiot brother Tristan were arrested in Miami for extradition to the uk. Their faces finally hit the concrete. So who are the Tates? We've done a few episodes on them, so if you listen to the show regularly, you know some of this. The Tate brothers are two failed kickboxers whose scam originated originally as a webcam operation in Romania, where they essentially dragged more than 75 women into webcam pornography. And they made a lot of money from it. But in 2016, after getting kicked off Big Brother UK, it's a British reality TV show. For repeatedly hitting a woman with a belt, Andrew Tate formed ties with the likes of Alex Jones and then glommed onto pro Trump anti woke messaging with a slew of transgressive political talking points. And this is where his big fame and fortune came in. The next part is important because even if you've never heard of the Tate, your kids definitely, definitely have. Since 2016, TikTok has been the primary drive of Andrew Tate's reach. You know, like Communist Chinese Party. TikTok videos tagged with Andrew Tate have amassed over 13 billion views on YouTube. Even though the Tates have been banned from the platform officially, clip channels dedicated to reposting the Tate's content have accumulated some 230 million views on X. Tate's account regularly achieve millions of impressions. By 2019, Andrew Tate had expanded his red pill brand and the manosphere became a part of our cultural conversation. The manosphere was a bunch of essentially men explaining that the only way to truly be a man was to treat women like trash, work out a lot, walk around shirtless and violate all of society's taboos. Keep in mind a lot of Tate's reach. Not entirely organic, it's a sort of reposting echo chamber. They actually scaled their following, their following with something called Hustlers University, where they charged you 50 bucks a month to learn crypto secrets. Well then the Tates would pay you to carpet bomb TikTok with their most repugnant clips. And it worked. Billions of views. He was Andrew Tate, the most googled person on Earth in 2022, nearly 11 million followers on X. Even after YouTube, TikTok and Instagram all kicked him off their platforms by 2022. Andre's banning turned him into a cause celeb for supposed right wing free speech advocates. Because Tate reframed his deplatforming as the political suppression of traditional masculinity and the right bit and bit really, really hard on this stuff. As we will get to a lot of right wing influencers bit onto this grift and decided that actually, yes, Andrew Tate was a victim of the Matrix, as he loves to call anybody who doesn't like him. Well, eventually Romanian authorities raided the Tate's compound. They'd moved to Romania essentially to try to escape the law, and they'd taken an industrial warehouse and made it over and turned it into sort of their Playboy compound. While that compound was raided, they were arrested and charged in 2023 and 2024 with human trafficking, sexual abuse, money laundering and forming an organized criminal group. Those charges contained allegations going back to 2017. The Tate's subsequently converted to Islam and again, right wing influencers like Tucker Carlson and Candace Owens flew to Romania that same year and interviewed him at length, talking about his various virtues and soft pedaling his criminal charges. More charges rained down on the tates from the UK in 2024 and 2025. So over the weekend on Saturday, the Tates were arrested in Miami and then they were extradited to the uk. Here's the video of Andrew Tate being arrested, apparently wearing one of Marie Schrader shirts and maybe her Capri pants from Breaking Bad and his brother dressed in a suit at least three sizes too small and a Borsalino hat. Not sure what he was going for there. Maybe they committed a crime of fashion. In any case, they were arrested, according to CBS News, by U.S. marshals in the Southern District of Florida. The DOJ said these arrests were made in accordance with the treaties and law enforcement agreements governing the Justice Department extradition. They're being extradited to the uk. The Crown Prosecution Service, an organization that prosecutes criminal cases in England, said four more victims of the brothers had come forward, announcing further charges of rape, sex trafficking, assault, and child and extreme pornography. The UK police put out a press release outlining some 59 charges between the two brothers. Those additional charges included seven rape, three sexual trafficking, three assault and and 19 extreme or additional or child pornography charges for Andrew, for Tristan, one sexual assault, two rape, and three sexual trafficking charges. Those offenses were alleged to have taken place between 2010 and 2017. There's some irony to this, because you'll recall that last year the Tates showed up in Florida and essentially dared Governor Ron DeSantis to arrest them. Andrew Tate put out a tweet saying, your wife will never win, Governor, unless you arrest me. Governor DeSantis, you've proven to be a communist who attacks American citizens for zero. When Americans who are unfairly imprisoned abroad return home, you betray them. You better nail me now. Let's go. Arrest me. Well, he wasn't actually arrested by the state authorities, but he was arrested by the federal authorities. Naturally, the Tate brothers lawyer, a person named Joseph McBride, put out a statement that was not legal. In essence, it was mainly a political rip on the uk. Quote, the world knows Andrew and Tristan Tate are innocent. Does the world know that? I don't know. The enemies know it best. Of all the enemies. That is exactly why they've been attacked. The Matrix. Last night, the uk, a corrupt and fallen nation that jails its own citizens for tweets while ignoring rape gangs it found too inconvenient to prosecute conjured up a wave of charges against the Tate brothers. This is not law enforcement. This is a political hit ordered by a dying empire that fears two free men with a microphone more than it fears actual criminals walking its streets. We are confident that once a competent judge sees the fact, and once the DOJ confronts this egregious abuse of its own authority, Andrew and Tristan Tate will walk free. America does not do Britain's political dirty work. Not here. Never. America is watching. The world is watching. And we will win. Okay, well, I have a basic rule. I don't like when men rape women. I know these are very, very difficult. I also don't like when men engage in pornography. I don't like it when men run alleged sex trafficking rings or grifts that target vulnerable young men and treat them as morons to be milked for cash and preying on their vulnerability to teach them that the best way to get ahead in the world is to treat women like garbage and simultaneously spread Andrew take clips. I think all that stuff is bad. I also think that if you are very concerned, as I am, about Muslim men raping white women in Britain, which is a very, very big thing that happened in Rotherham for years, we've covered it extensively on the show, you should probably also be against allegations of Muslim men raping white women in Britain, even if they're called the Tates. So pretty much all of these sorts of activities were known for years in advance. About a month and a half ago, we did a show where we went through in some detail, a piece by Heidi Blake, which is a truly incredible piece of reporting by Heidi Blake over at the New Yorker magazine, called the Andrew Tate's Empire of Abuse. And as she documents in that extraordinarily lengthy piece, the Tates moved to Romania from the UK in 2015 after three British women accused Tate of rape and strangulation. And according to the piece, court records show that local police sat on at least two reports indicating that the Tates were coercing Romanian women into sex work. Andrew openly discussed bribing law enforcement officials in war room chats and bragged on social media about his connections. Everyone wants to be friends with the pimp, he wrote in a since deleted tweet. Tate's representatives claimed, of course, that he was acting right. This is the last repository of all scumbags. Oh, I was just joking. I was just joking. Tate would have sex with women on webcam for a price. One of those webcam girls alleged that tape rape raped her multiple times and strangled her and another woman multiple times as well. Another woman, who the article calls Hannah Price, showed UK police a series of messages from Tate discussing the alleged assaults. I love raping you, he had written to her. Monsters are monsters. There is tape of Tate holding a belt and whipping a woman who he treated as his girlfriend and also his procurer for years as she lay in the fetal position sobbing. And he said, look at the camera. And he yanked her head back by the hair. This is what happens when you don't effing Listen, Tate said that that belt video was made in 2012 at the start of his relationship with her. That was the year that she turned 15. So I assume that when we're talking about child and extreme pornography, some of it has to do with that video. Now, in his personal life and beyond, obviously exploitation of women, it turns out that Tate is a tremendous scumbag, apparently. According to the article, Andrew has said that both he and Tristan have double digit children. He says, I'm the big gorilla. I take the fertile females and I impregnate them. Mothers were moved to their own apartments where they kept working on camera because that is what a protective and good father would do is he would use the mother of his children to pose naked for other men so he can make money off of them. The brothers sometimes visited. Andrew has described meeting out harsh discipline, Quote, my kids obey me like effing soldiers. On his orders, his five year old son would sit for hours in silence. Doesn't effing move, doesn't say an effing word, because he's scared for his effing life. He also ran a scam called Hustlers University. He originally ran an online network that was called the War Room, in which for a fee of about 8,000 bucks a year. 8,000 bucks a year. He promised to free the modern man from socially induced incarceration. It's a cult. Members learned how to recruit women into sexual slavery in a series of tutorials Tate called his Ph.D. pimping hoes degree. He used one woman as a teaching case, reporting on her subjugation over the secure messaging app Telegram. He said, I've done this with over 100 girls. I almost sound evil, but I'm not. I'm a shepherd leading the sheep. Apparently each brother had a personal harem. Tate called the women his wives and ordered them to address him as king. He also launched something called Hustlers University, which is this affiliate marketing program that essentially was a giant clip factory for him. More than 160,000 students enrolled to pay him 4,999amonth to teach them how to get rich. And by get rich, he means post a variety of clips for him. As far as that webcam business,

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essentially would have sex with women and then convince them that the best way to demonstrate that they loved him was to go on camera nude. He says that he was making millions of dollars from these women. They bought fancy cars. At the peak of the webcam business, the brothers reported they had 75 women working for them. Andrew said more than 30 women had his name tattooed on their skin. And he brags about the fact that when he moved to Romania, part of the goal was to avoid the law. So here's the big question in all of this. Why did they get away with all of this for so long? Why were so many people into this sort of stuff? And the answer is is really quite obvious. But it's something we seem to have forgotten. The Tates are sinful people. And sin is fun. Sin is fun. I know this is somehow taboo to say. This sin has always been fun. That is the draw of sin. And this is true in every biblical text. If it weren't fun, people wouldn't do it. If it weren't transgressive, people would not do it. The sin of eating the apple was the transgressiveness. Sin is fun. This is why it's very funny in politics. Sometimes people say, oh, this person is succeeding in spite of their sin. Maybe they're succeeding because of their sin. Because people are drawn to sin. People in fact, are both good and bad. And the draw towards sin is an incredibly strong draw. And we have to acknowledge the reality about male nature. Andrew Tate is, for an enormous number of men, an embodiment of what the worst part of men wish that they could get away with. Consequence free sexual promiscuity, selfish consumerism, abandoning the kids, shacking up with all the cloud chasing models next door. Zero job, zero work, zero consequences. All fun all the time. All sin all the time. Now listen, everyone knows what Tate is doing is bad. But for some, the badness is actually the point. Because the badness demonstrates that we are free. Now here's the thing. Being free from the consequences of sin, that used to be sort of a left wing thing, right? That was the draw of the Marxists in the 20s. That was the draw of the left in the 1960s. Free love and copious drugs and zero consequences. Well, increasingly, freedom of sin has become a right wing thing as well. So one thing that we should ask is how sin became so popular on the right. Again, the right, we're supposed to be the fuddy duddies, right? We're the people who have systemic immunity to this stuff, right? We go to church and we demand standards and personal behavior and we want the Ten Commandments up on classroom walls and all the rest, right? I thought that that was a conservative thing. And by the way, for saying this sort of stuff, my entire, literally my entire career, the entirety of my career, okay, I'm 42 years old, I started doing this when I was 17. I have been promoting traditional virtue since literally, that I started when I was 17 years old. Very early on in my career, I was mocked incessantly for the fact that I openly said that I was a virgin until marriage, which is a thing that I did and my wife did also. And now we are married for 18 years with five beautiful children because virtue is good and sin is bad. But people mock that sort of stuff. They mock it. You're a fuddy duddy. You're a stick in the mud. You're uptight. Why can't you just be a little cooler? Again, I don't care about cool. I care about true reactionary politics is sinful because it tends to legitimize sin. Traditionally, societies construct a series of sea walls against sin. If you have a sea of sin, an ocean of sin, and it's threatening a tsunami, you have to have some sea walls. Sea walls. So the first seawall was societal shame. If you were a pornographer, for example, you were not welcome in polite society. You weren't welcome at church, you weren't welcome at family dinners. You didn't get to go to the Lions Club, nothing. Get out. We don't want you here. You're gross. Stay away from me. Stay away from my kids. Stay away from my community. The social left decided that all this was far too judgmental. It was far too hemming in. So the left in the west constructed systems designed to minimize the consequences of sin and. And to obliterate social standards. Hell, we created entire welfare states not to just alleviate poverty, but to sever the consequences of sin. We actually incentivize things like sexual promiscuity and drug use, sometimes by accident, sometimes even on purpose, by treating these not as moral problems, but as social diseases that could be alleviated with simple cash outlays. The idea was that poverty created sin. Alleviate poverty, alleviate sin rather than the reality, which is very often in a free system, sin creates poverty because there are consequences to making bad decisions. But we decided that societal consequences were bad, so social consequences were destroyed. That wasn't enough for the left, by the way. To alleviate the consequences of sin materially, while allowing people to still sit in judgment would be to be mean and judgmental and wouldn't want that. We have to be nice. We can't be mean, we can't be judgmental. We can't have standards. So we as a society decided that it was really important to stigmatize people with social standards. These people were prudes, they were cruel, they were funny, duddy sticks in them. They hated love, they hated joy. They were probably even suppressing their own perversities. The true shame had to be cast at the people who actually wanted virtue. If you stood for virtue, actually, the truth was probably you were hiding some shame of your own. Or you should be made to feel ashamed because you are being the worst thing of all choices. Judgmental. Now, the right didn't sit still for this. But the blowback, when it came, didn't come in the form of a restoration of standards. Instead, politics being incredibly reactionary. Politics is basically a pendulum that swings from side to side. The further left the left mood, the further the reaction moved. And so the right didn't react by saying no, no, no. Standards, virtue, decency. The right reacted by embracing anybody who would tear down the left, no matter what it took. The reactionary right decided that it actually needed transgressive figures. People who were sinful, who wouldn't play by the old rules. The sin was now the point. After all, you can only defeat the shame using left. Because they created their own systems of shame ranging from overwrought me too. Allegations to political correctness. You can only defeat that stuff, not by course correcting and saying, no, no, here's what virtue looks like. You can only course correct by being totally shameless, by being totally transgressive. And guess what? That was fun. Because sin is fun. Because being transgressive of values is fun. And it's particularly fun when you can justify it to yourself. Hell, it's what we all want to do. No one wants to respond to transgressive evil by standing with good. Good is boring, good is demanding, good is dutiful. We want to engage in evil because evil is fun. Sin is fun and addictive. And once we have the excuse, it's much more fun to go all the way. This, by the way, explains that strange constellation of figures who have spent years defending and celebrating the Tate. All right, folks, in a second we're going to get to Andrew Tate's friends on the right. As you know, in every industry there are people who are willing to say pretty much anything and people who have been consistent in what they say. So I've been very consistent, you know, for a long time that I believe that it is smart to own some physical gold. Diversification is a smart strategy. The interesting question isn't whether you should consider precious metals. It's who you trust when you are ready to buy them again. 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Ryan Reynolds

Tristan Tate.

Ben Shapiro

It's so nice to meet you.

Hassan Piker

Great to meet you, too.

Tucker Carlson

What a trip. This,

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man.

Ben Shapiro

This is like. You're the famous one, bro. You're the famous, not me. I've never been star struck in my life.

Howard Mackler

Here I am.

Ben Shapiro

Hey, Tucker Carlson, meet you.

Tucker Carlson

Are you American?

Ben Shapiro

Yes, very. What are you doing here? I got a couple friends, you know, one that flew across the world, go to jail.

Ryan Reynolds

Yeah.

Ben Shapiro

So much buddiness, so much love, so much happiness. Again, they're all fighting the system together. And then of course, Tucker interviewed Tate and they talked about so many true things. Tate was such a wise man. I mean, such a wise sex. Alleged sex trafficking pornographer. Such a wise man. Tucker Carlson suggested you are naive enough to believe that there are good guys and bad guys in wars and it's as simple as good and bad and that the bad guys are crazy and the good guys want freedom. Then you need to do a little bit more investigation into what's really happening. And when you look at the vested interest of any country or any person.

Tucker Carlson

Can I just ask you to pause and just comment? That's the truest thing, what you just said. That is the. And anyone who doesn't understand that should shut the up.

Ben Shapiro

And I mean it. And given the rapport between the two, clearly Andrew Tate should have asked Tucker to join his webcam business. In any case, Candace Owens decided also to travel over to Romania to sit with Andrew's hate and give a fawning interview in which they sympathized over the evils of the matrix, which you describe it as. The matrix, I think that actually is the right term, is that the matrix works overtime to make it seem as though the people who recognize the insanity, recognize the homosexuality, recognize the pedophilia, are in fact the people that are crazy. Like it's a complete inversion of what's actually happening. And the saddest thing is that it works. I mean, she's literally sitting there with a man talking about how pedophilia is terrible and homosexuality is terrible. He would hire women to have sex with one another on camera for money and is now being alleged to have engaged in child exploitation and child pornography. So there's that as well. Of course, Andrew Tate also made himself part of this. He was sort of the founder of the so called manosphere. And here you see people ranging from tiny Nick Fuentes to Justin Waller and clavicular. Just a who's who. Myron Gaines and Sneako, a who's who of low iq, terrible people all together. Wonderful, terrible people. And of course, Tate with Carlson and Tate with Candace. This is the group. This is the club. Look at that. Oh, look. Look at the love. Look at that. Isn't that nice? It's not a coincidence. None of this is a coincidence. It is simply not. Now, unfortunately, this bled up to certain levels of the Trump administration. According to that New Yorker article, President Trump's special presidential envoy, Rick Grinnell accused Romania of joining a global conspiracy to. To silence people and politicians who weren't woke. Soon after a canceled election in Romania, Grinnell met at Mar? A Lago with a Romanian politician named Victor Ponta, who later told the Times they discussed the Tate's case. Ponta said he no longer remembered this and had no involvement with the Tates. Grinnell denied aiding the Tates or speaking about their case, but he has publicly affirmed. I support the Tate brothers. Their serious allegations that the Trump administration intervened with the Romanian government to allow the Tates to travel to the United States. Last year, Tucker, as I've mentioned, devoted hours of airtime proclaiming Tate's innocence. So did Candace. The vice president followed the Tate brothers on X. Paul and Gracia, who was one of their lawyers, is now serving as a White House liaison. He had previously tweeted that Tate was, quote, the embodiment of the ancient ideal of excellence. That was why he had been targeted by, quote, the satanic elite that attempt to systematically program and oppress all men. You'll remember that the President's lawyer, Alina Haba, appeared on a podcast with Tate and said she was a big fan. And then she and said she had his back. She then ended up walking that back. Now, is this a coincidence? It's all the same people. It's all the same people. These are the conspiracy theorists. These are the reactionary right horseshoe theory people. These are the Jews. Did the pornography and did the Holocaust really happen simultaneously? Hugging Muslim pornographers who allegedly raped white women? It's not that they are alienated, but they're not. They're not loving on the Tate in spite of the sin. They are doing it because of the sin. The sin is attractive. These people love the transgressiveness. It's catnip. It's traffic. It's fun, you see, because they're transgressing. They're saying all the things you can't say. And in that box of things you can't say are things like, did the Holocaust even happen? Or was World War II wrongly decided? Or was Charlie Kirk shot by Mossad? And also, aren't the Tates victims of the Matrix? Now, again, the Tates have spent several years at this point being defended by a variety of Woke right influencers and Republican figures. They've been championed as important, necessary voices. They've been bro hug by half the people in influential positions. And now I want you to take a moment to remember who defended them. It's important. And who continues to defend them. Because those people are a threat not just to conservatism, but to virtue and decency and ultimately to a civilization built on a notion of biblical morality. It is zero coincidence that the same people who defended the Tates also speculate that about Epstein conspiracy theories. Because here's the thing. They're not opposed to sex trafficking. They're opposed to the systems. They're opposed to institutions. They defend the Tates to attack the Matrix and they pretend there's some vast conspiracy involving foreign intelligence operations with Joe with Jeffrey Epstein in order to attack the corrupt system. They don't give any craps at all about the victims. That's pretense it's nonsense and it's cover for the same exact reason these people engage in conspiracism over Charlie Kirk's assassination. They all the same exact people are hugging Hamas. It's all about attacking the system. A west they believe is so thoroughly over that they can trample on it and destroy it with gusto. Okay, now we talked about the societal sea wall, right? Social pressure to. To not engage in sin. And that's gone. So that means the only way this stuff actually gets stopped ever now is in a court of law. And that's what's happening with the Tates. It's also what happened to the ridiculous and unintelligent grifter Candace Owens a couple of weeks ago when all of her stupid theories about Charlie Kirk were destroyed in a court of law with evidence. But here's the thing. We cannot count on the courts or the laws to stop this cancer. We have to rebuild societal intolerance of this sort of stuff. Why? Because the cancer is spreading. We'll get to why all of this is a problem in a moment. As you would imagine. The biggest reason is because when you have a society that loses its values, it doesn't take care of its kids. But taking care of your kids, that's really important to you. You would do anything to protect them. I have a brand new kid. I would do anything to protect him. But. But here's the thing. If you die without a will in place, guess who gets to figure it out for your kids? The state. That's not a great plan. It's a failure of responsibility. The good news is doesn't have to be complicated to fix all of this. 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That's trustandwill.com Shapiro get your 20% off trustandwill.com Shapiro, you know, over the past several years I've gotten a rather large amount of crap for covering the evils of the Tates. Usual charges, you're a prude. Or they have so many clicks. Or most commonly online, shut up Jew. Right, because that's the big one online. Because again, that's a form of transgressiveness. That's a form of we can say anything because we're violating the Matrix's rules. Let's be real. The reason all of this is a problem is because if your own protection against civilizational destruction is only the law and the courts, your civilization is on its way out. Because if you think that the people who have torn away social sanction of sin and evil are going to stop when it comes to the courts, wrong you are. I bring you as case in point, Nick Fuentes. So Nick Fuentes immediately tweeted out free Andrew and Tristan Tate immediately. 1.8 million views on X, a repository of trash. Well, Nick Fuentes put out another tweet in which again he said, quote, it would be a national humiliation for the United States to allow the UK to extradite Andrew and Tristan Tate. Two American citizens over trumped up me two charges. He's very defensive of these particular American citizens who currently have passports in the UK and Romania, by the way, the same country that persecutes white people for speech white while importing rapist migrants. Now why don't you notice the actual thing happening here? Nick Fuentes is constantly claiming to hate pornography. I mean that's when he's not, you know, having a window open with trans pornography on it. He claims to despise the Jews for supposedly having spread a pornographic culture despite the fact that Judaism opposes pornography and finds it a sin. But he is defending actual honest to God pornographers. So again, Nick Fuentes in no way is in favor of societal consequences for sin. His entire schtick is being transgressive. And then he hides behind. Oh I'm just joking. It's a joke.

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It's a joke. Hahaha.

Ben Shapiro

And people like it because it's fun. It is, it is. Being transgressive is fun. Saying transgressive and taboo things is fun. The laughter mechanism in the human brain is driven by shock, by surprise. When people are transgressive, it makes you laugh. That's just how the brain works. And that's what he's doing. But of course here he's moving on to a deeper level. He's attacking the system Right, he's attacking the courts. Notice something he's not saying, man, the uk, they absolutely should prosecute these Muslim men for allegedly raping white women. And they should also prosecute all of the other Muslim men who have allegedly raped white women in Britain.

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Right?

Ben Shapiro

That's what you would normally do. Like, if you're critical of the UK for not prosecuting properly Muslim grooming gangs, the way I have been for literally years, then what you would like is for all the rapists to go to all the prisons. Right? You can be perfectly con. All rapists should go to prison. Not that difficult. But that's not what Fuentes is doing. The idea is that Andrew and Tristan Tate are victims and should go free because the courts and the system are corrupt in the same way that he says the churches are corrupt and the Constitution is corrupt and the free markets are corrupt and everything is corrupt. Because here's the thing, folks, once you destroy the social stigmas, once you destroy social virtue, and once you start attacking the law, and once the law is destroyed, the only thing left is civilizational chaos, which is what Fuentes and others want. This is what the reactionaries want. They don't want the Constitution upheld, they don't want virtue upheld. They don't want church upheld. They don't want any of those things. They want to tear all these things down. If that means allying with China or Russia or Iran or the Tate or. Or every conspiracy theory or every sinner, then they will do it. That's part of the game. So what's the answer to all this sort of stuff? The answer is unsexy. The answer is difficult and annoying. We have to actually go back to social virtue. I know these are. It's boring, right? It's boring, but boring is the way, okay? We have the opportunity, when a moment of clarity arrives, to go back to normal social standards of virtue. Conservatism used to be about that standard. You know, the little voice in the back of your head that we called your conscience that told you that something was a bad or an evil idea and you ought to oppose it. Conservatives, we were the people who used to remind you that one of the reasons government must be limited is because no gigantic amount of power can be trusted in the hands of people who are frailed and flawed and sinful. That was. That was us. We were the human nature people. We were the people who reminded you that people are sinful. And therefore we have to have checks and balances, therefore we have to have restrictions on government. And also, this is why we have to have strong social institutions. This is why it was important for conservatives to be the people who said no to things. Now, conservatives were mocked for being the fuddy duddy finger waggers, right, John Lithgow and Footloose. But the truth is, conservatives were the only ones upholding the institutions and social mechanisms that made our civilization great. So here's the solution for conservatives. I've been giving the solution for decades. I've been saying it very loudly for months at this point. Draw some damned borders. Let me say it again. Draw some damned borders. Because if you do not police your gates, the barbarians will enter those gates. In fact, they're already inside. It takes generations, full on generations, to build up social systems that cherish virtue and that uphold virtue and that teach virtue.

Interviewer/Host Assistant

Right?

Ben Shapiro

It takes actual commitment. When you have kids, you have to pass that virtue on to your kids. I have a brand new baby. It is my job to bring that child into a covenant of virtue immediately. That kid is not born in a vacuum and that kid is not meant to be some sort of free floating atomistic being wilding it in the universe. That's not the way that it works. You must inculcate virtue. But systems that inculcate virtue and cherish virtue and protect virtue, it takes generations for those to be built up, hundreds of years, but it takes only seconds for sin to tear those systems down. So if we don't protect those systems, they just disappear. And the next thing that happens is that the civilization goes, so what does that mean? Means conservatives need to stop allowing the grifters in the tent. Conservatives need to look at some of the people who they've allowed to become spokespeople for their movement and ask whether indeed people who uphold conspiratorial, pornographic trash ought to be the leaders. You can listen again. It's a free country. You can listen to whatever. It's the obligatory thing. It's a free country. You can listen to whatever you want. You can listen to whomever you want. I'm not calling for any of those people to be legally silenced. I am saying, use your brain and use the virtuous part of your brain that your parents taught you about or that you as a parent are trying to teach your kids. Because it turns out that, yeah, it's fun. Yeah, it's fun to engage in sin. It always wasn't, it always will be. That's why Satan has a bit of an advantage. But you don't have to do it. Sin crouches at all of our doors. But we can overcome it. But it requires an effort. And part of that effort is recognizing that in the long run, the momentary fun that you have, being transgressively sinful and ripping down the systems is the thing that ends up destroying your world. And guess what? If the right disappears, if the right destroys itself, the transgressive left is ready. They're sitting right there. They're waiting, and they're gaining. The response to a reactionary right is not going to be a left that wants virtue. It's going to be a left that's even more transgressive. That pendulum is going to keep swinging. See, in the wake of losing elections, the left is now embracing the photo negative of the right's transgressive evil right. The dirtbag left is taking the four. The Tates and Graham Platner, same category. Nick Fuentes and Hassan Piker, same category again. Sin is always fun. Being transgressive is always fun. Saying things that are immoral for shock effect, always fun and edgy. Being the bully, not anchoring anything you have to say to evidence or fact. It's super duper fun. Hell, it's probably fun to go to a College Democrats of America convention dressed as Chairman Mail. I mean, I assume it's fun for Hassan Piker when he's not putting on his Cartier jewelry. I assume it's fun for him to go dressed as a mass murderer responsible for the death of 40 million people at the College Democratic of America convention, explaining, we don't need Democrats anymore and the kulaks must burn.

Hassan Piker

But no more to the Democrats who compromise, who conciliate and who betray us. No more to the fascist reactionaries, but no more to the Democrats who will collaborate and cooperate with the fascists, who will fund ice, who will fund Israel, who will help poison the planet, who will stiff workers and help bosses. We don't need those Democrats anymore. In fact, I know we have a message. We are coming. We are on boss. We're on bought. We're unbound and we will become undeniable.

Ben Shapiro

Only blood will grease the wheels of history. Doing the full Mussolini's White Schrute routine. Hassan, that guy is welcome in all the democratic circles. He is he an intellectual elite among the Democrats. Again, the dressing is the Mao is the point. The siding with Hamas is the point. The DSA is fun and incredibly sinful. And it's enjoyable for the left. They enjoy it because it's the id. It's the thing that you want to say, but you just, you know, you shouldn't that you really want to say it. When they say it, it's fun. Here's the New York City DSA co chair Gustavo Cordillo on landlords saying that basically he should decide what happens to those horrible, horrible bourgeois.

Ryan Reynolds

The problem we're facing in our housing system is that we talk about tenants and we say they have to pull themselves up by their bootstraps. They have to be responsible financially. But when we look at the landlords, we don't, we don't use those same standards. Landlords in New York have been making a 12% return on their investment for

Interviewer/Host Assistant

on average, how much should they make? What's fair for the landlord to make if you don't like 12?

Ryan Reynolds

They're complaining that 12 is not enough. And we don't think that anyone should have a constitutional right to double digit returns on their investment. That's why we've implemented no one should

Interviewer/Host Assistant

have a right to a double digit return on their investment.

Ryan Reynolds

No one has a right. That's not. No. What are you talking about? No one's in the. That's not in the constitution. But what we see is that when we implement a rent freeze, we have landlords who are crying that the government is going to put them out of business.

Interviewer/Host Assistant

They're trying to run a business and they're trying to do it effectively.

Ben Shapiro

Useless communist. But again, the failure here. Don't discuss this in terms of utilitarian concerns. What he's saying is immoral. He says, you say people should pick themselves up by their bootstraps and play by the rules. But this guy's making a profit. Do you understand that what that person is doing, right? There is a shift from the language of morality to the language of, of profit without any sort of actual connection. It makes no sense. That's like saying to my kids, you know kids, you should be virtuous, you should be good. Also, cheese is too expensive. What does that have to do with anything? What does A have to do with B? But the idea is that cheese being too expensive must be a reflection of some sort of societal immorality. Obviously that is the thing that's happening there. And the left loves this sort of crap. What does this mean for a useless person? Again, the dsa, these are useless scavengers. They are. They are feasting on the hide of the civilization that bore them. We are not a civilization worth our salt if we can't draw lines against the people who wish to tear down basic property rights in the name of their peculiar control oriented tyranny. Here is Cordillo saying that, you know, if we put you out of business because we have government funded grocery stores, well, then I suppose we put you

Interviewer/Host Assistant

out of business if you're the bodega owner. How would you feel if the government opened a big grocery store right next to your bodega?

Ryan Reynolds

If one, if one publicly owned grocery store that brings prices down in the neighborhood is enough to put someone out of business, then maybe they shouldn't have been in that business in the first place.

Interviewer/Host Assistant

Interesting.

Ben Shapiro

They shouldn't. Business in the first place. Again, they shouldn't be able. If you can't compete with the government subsidizing your destruction, then clearly you shouldn't have competed in the first place. They're just communists, that's all. By the way, he's an actual communist. His family there were Maoist communist guerrillas in Peru and they fled and somehow ended up in America. We want to talk about failure of immigration policy and how do these people end up in our country? How do they end up in our country? Get the hell out of our country. Why are they in our country? I understand that we have many people in the United States who are homegrown commies. That's bad enough importing the commies. A whole different thing here is Carrillo,

Interviewer/Host Assistant

why did your family come to America?

Ryan Reynolds

The economic situation in South America and in Peru was in a really bad place. But I think that much of what we could say is responsible for that actually was the imposition of capitalism. And American imperialism in many cases is actually what brings immigrants to the US Coming out of Latin America.

Interviewer/Host Assistant

So they come here because they don't like the imposition of American imperialism in the country that they're in.

Ryan Reynolds

Yes, in many, in many countries.

Interviewer/Host Assistant

So they come here.

Ryan Reynolds

In many countries there have been undemocratic coups that have destabilized countries and that's pushed people out.

Interviewer/Host Assistant

Well, you would think they would want to go somewhere that wasn't imposing that on them if that was. If that were the case.

Ben Shapiro

Yes, that would be the idea, right? That if you are true believer in Maoist communism, why would you go to the country that is against the Maoist communists? Never should have let these people in. Never should have let them in. It is, it is an astonishing, astonishing thing. What, what is happening? Zor Momdani, the mayor of New York, you know, you want to know why these people are being let in? Because there are people actively letting them in who do not like this country. Zor Momdani, he admits that he's never been to the border but that doesn't matter because he wants an open border policy anyway. Here he was talking about our international obligations, his international obligations. My favorite thing is that Zoramdani ran as mayor claiming he only cared about New York City, and all he does is talk about international affairs and communism with the smarmiest smile you could possibly hope to imagine. The guy has got. He fell into the same vat of toxic waste as the Joker because he can't wipe that smile off his face. He's just determined to wipe it off of everybody else's face in New York City. Here he was talking about his international obligations vis a vis border policy.

Zor Momdani

I don't believe that secure and humane are at odds. I don't believe that the only way to provide immigration enforcement is through ice. I think oftentimes we are forced into these false truths.

Interviewer/Host Assistant

Would you have asylum seekers be able to, you know, for example, ask for asylum at the U. S. Mexico border?

Zor Momdani

What is the law today? What are they legally entitled to do?

Interviewer/Host Assistant

I mean, the law today. I mean, under President Trump, the law today is that they're not.

Zor Momdani

But in terms of international obligations, in terms of.

Interviewer/Host Assistant

And that is. And that meant that the border has seen a dramatic drop in illegal crossings. So I guess that is the tension that a lot of people see.

Zor Momdani

I think that what we've found from the Republican administration has been a desire to make any and all immigration illegal.

Ben Shapiro

Oh, is that what that. This clown, this absolute clown, by the way, I love how he always talks about international obligations. International for the left is code word for anarchic, pro terrorist, anti border crap. That's what they want. That's what they want. Which is why Zor Momdani, remember this guy, pledged that he only cared about New York. When Tucker Carlson was out there touting Zormadani, it was because Zormadani supposedly didn't care about the Middle East. Weird, because now Zoran Mandani is threatening to illegally arrest the Prime Minister of Israel if he arrives in New York. That is illegal, by the way. He does not run the federal government. And the ICC is not governing law in the United States because we refuse to accept it because it's trash. But here is Zoran Mamdani, international communist.

Zor Momdani

I believe that Prime Minister Netanyahu belongs in the Hague. He's a war criminal who has been charged by the International Criminal Court. And what you will find is that is an opinion that is held by many purely because of what his actions have wrought over these last many years. I've also said that I I will follow the laws that we have here in New York City because I believe that there is an importance in following the law as a leader who presides over our city. And that's something that I plan to do.

Interviewer/Host Assistant

Meaning. I'm sorry, I don't understand what that means.

Zor Momdani

Meaning that whatever the law allows me to do in New York City, that's what we will do. But we won't be writing our own laws to that end.

Interviewer/Host Assistant

What does the law allow you to do?

Zor Momdani

That's an active conversation with our legal department in seeing what the prospects are we have here in our municipality.

Ben Shapiro

He's a poser, spoiled brat, theater kid. This guy. It's unbelievable. I'm gonna arrest him. Well, but you can't arrest him. But I'm gonna do it at the law allows, but you're not allowed to arrest him. Ambassador Mike Walls, our ambassador to Young, points out, actually, it's illegal for you to arrest Netanyahu because it turns out the United States is not a party to the Rome Statute that underlies the icc. UN Headquarters agreement grants diplomatic protections to visiting heads of state, head of state immunity applies, and federal authority trumps any local mayor's wishes. But again, it's all performative ID driven junk. It's transgressive crap that the left is embracing full scale. So you have Bernie Sanders again. Complete, useless human being. Bernie Sanders. I've been railing for at least a decade on how the left has decided Bernie Sanders was some sort of moral exemplar, being a deadbeat dad from the time he was young, working his way through local Vermont politics to be the most useless senator in the in America, and then railing against the clouds. The clouds are unfair. There are some that are cumulus, and there are others that are serious clouds. Why are they not all cumulus? Clearly, something has to be done. This is because of capitalism. So he put out a tweet over the weekend. It's the usual. It's the usual crap. Sergey Brin is worth $276 billion. He could save health care for 3 million people. No, he couldn't. This. This pure idiocy of if we took all this guy's money and we spent it on the thing I want, that would fix all the problems. No, it most assuredly would not. First of all, you don't know how wealth works. Yes, schmuck. His worth is built into the Google stock. He can't liquidate all $276 billion of his Google stock without the stock going down. Again, financial literacy is not Bernie Sanders's strong suit, which is why he has been a complete ass for, for his entire career. Instead, says Bernie Sanders, he's spending $82 million against California's 5% billionaire tax. He'd rather see low income Americans die and suffer than pay his fair share of taxes. That is a moral obscenity. You know, it's a moral obscenity claiming that you have a right to wealth you did not create and then suggesting that the person who opposes you wants Americans to die and suffer. You want to talk about permission structures for violence and moral obscenities? This man, Bernie Sanders, he is a moral blot. All he does is create permission structures for violence. It is not a coincidence. It was his fan who shot up a congressional baseball game. He has spent his entire career claiming that anyone who opposes his particular and peculiar form of socialism wants people to die. Then he's shocked when nutcases with the screw loose take him seriously. But again, this is the it of the left. When we talk about the transgressive left, this is where they are. How, how bad is the left in, in Michigan? A guy running for the United States Senate in Michigan is a Democrat, Abdul El Sayed, who is a liar, but also a terrorist supporter, but apparently also rich. And it's, it's the, it's the rich thing that is getting him in trouble with Michigan Democratic voters, which is insane. His own jig Tapper on cnn. And once again, once again, he refused to say that it's good that, that Ayatollah Khamenei is dead. The reason he was asked is because there was leaked audio of El Sayed saying he would not address Khamenei's death because his constituents were too upset about the death of a mass murdering dictator. Well, Tapper asked him about it. And by the way, in that tape, he had said, if I'm asked about it, I'm going to redirect to the Epstein files and Trump. So Tapper asks him about it. He redirects to Trump, of course.

Hassan Piker

Twenty weeks ago, when Iran's Supreme Leader was killed, you told your staff, according to audio obtained by the Washington Free Beacon, quote, there are a lot of people in Dearborn who are sad today. So, like, I just don't want to comment on Khamenei at all, unquote. I thought that quote was interesting because the Ayatollah has killed tens of thousands of innocent Iranians, not to mention mentioned the proxies that Iran has funded that have killed innocent civilians all over the Middle East. Why Were you worried about offending people who support the Ayatollah?

Jake Tapper

Jake, on a day where we're mourning the loss of two more service members in a war we never should have fought, I think all of us ought to step back and ask whether or not everybody in Michigan, frankly, everybody in America shouldn't be sad about the fact that this president, backed by the prime minister of a foreign government, took us to a war we had no business fighting in. So, yeah, I didn't want to comment on it then because it's a ridiculous pretext. And now you're asking me about the Ayatollah, who's dead, by the way. And you're not asking me about the service members who've died. You're not asking me about whether or not this war should have ever been fought.

Ben Shapiro

Well, I noticed what you're avoiding is saying that it's hilarious. The guy literally says his tactic, and then he does his tactic like, this is what the left is now. Maybe there will be consequences for the left, but only if the right reverts to normiedom. So Bill Maher was on ABC with John Carl, and he says, listen, the Democrats have gone so far to the left, they've gone so crazy that I'm looking at the right now. I can't sit and just not notice stuff which people seem to want to do because it's all about my team or your team. But, yeah, there's some crazy stuff, you know, when we're cheering for the intifada, I gotta cut.

Howard Mackler

I'm

Ben Shapiro

okay. Van Jones, another sane Democrat, he says, listen, why. Why am I supposed to pledge allegiance to nuttiness? Why?

Hassan Piker

I am tired, tired, tired of a set of people on the very far left in the Democratic Party, my party,

Tucker Carlson

telling us that in order for us

Hassan Piker

to be progressives, we now have to believe ideas and support ideas that are completely nuts.

Ben Shapiro

Again, there's a space here if the right is actually willing to establish a decency space. But the right has to be willing to do it. Alrighty. Speaking of the war in Iran over the weekend, tragically, two service members were killed. One service member is now missing. This is because of a strike from Iran in Jordan. According to Centcom, on July 17, two US service members in Jordan were killed in action as CENTCOM and partner forces defended against Iranian ballistic missile and drone attacks. Additionally, one service member is currently missing. Four American service members were medically evacuated to Jordanian hospitals. They have since been discharged. Other personnel who were evaluated for minor injuries have now returned to duty. We've now ID'd the two fallen service members. One was First Lieutenant Tyler James Feehan, 25, of Hawaii. The other was Private Isabel Gonzalez, 19, of Carrollton, Texas. Obviously tragic and terrible. A CENTCOM has launched a series of new strikes all across the weekend. They were largely designed, according to centcom, to target commercial shipping in the Strait of Hormuz to get rid of Iran's ability to target that shipping and to punish the irgc. CENTCOM actually posted footage of the strikes. They hit Iranian military, coastal surveillance, air defense facilities, maritime capabilities, missile and drone storage sites. President Trump told News Nation that the deaths. We're very sad. It's a very sad thing. We hate to see it happen. It's in service to the country. We're never allowing Iran to have a nuclear weapon. And Pete Hex at the Secretary of War said that their sacrifice stiffens our resolve. Now things may escalate further. The State Department has issued caution to people in the region. The State Department says we remind Americans in the region of the continued need for caution and encourage them to monitor the news for breaking developments. Meanwhile, there appears to be some cracking of the Iranian regime. The Iranian Foreign Minister Abbas Araki says he's never actually met the new Ayatollah Moshtabakhamini. That would be the gay pirate. He's missing a leg and apparently is gay. Also, Iran's top diplomat noted that Tehran had refused US demands during a pre 40 day war negotiating round for a years long suspension of Uranian enrichment. So naturally, critics of the President and critics of the war are jumping into the critique even more so because of the additional American loss of life. Marjorie Taylor Greene, she does this routine where every soldier is apparently a victim. And when I say a victim, I don't mean a victim of foreign terror, like a victim of the American, of the American President, which is a holdover from the draft of the 1960s and 70s. We have a volunteer military of heroes, not a bunch of people who are throwing quote unquote in the line as cannon fodder. So Marjorie Taylor Greene, it's barely worth even reading her tweets at this point because she's such a click whoring troll. But she says sacrifice. What the f are you talking about? What you want to tell their families they didn't sacrifice. They did not willingly sacrifice themselves. Well, I mean they were in the United States military willingly. That's what it means to go into the military. It's why what they're doing is more heroic than anything that I'm doing or anything she's done. But again, calling. Calling American death senseless is pretty sick, by the way. It's a thing you just should not do as a moral matter. Now, Tucker Carlson is using this as his opportunity, of course, to suggest that there's no military solution. America is weak, and thus we must surrender to the Ayatollah is the thing that Tucker desperately wants.

Tucker Carlson

You could nuke Iran and still not guarantee that insurance companies will cover an oil tanker going through the strait. It's just a fact. So, like, there's literally no.

Ben Shapiro

Why does he keep talking about nuking

Tucker Carlson

around this and never has been. That's just logic. However, what we've seen since February 28th is just. And this is the thing that really. That weighs on me the hardest is just a. It's just a ongoing, un. Perpetually unfolding humiliation where everything about what the United States said about itself. You know, we're the preeminent country in the world. We've got the greatest military. It's like, all fake.

Ben Shapiro

Oh, it's fake. We don't have the greatest military in the world. You know what'd be awesome is if Alex Brucewitz could spare, like, one single solitary moment. The social media guy for the Trump administration. Members of the Trump administration. You spend one minute. One minute when he is not pretending that Megyn Kelly and Tucker Carlson are victims of a nefarious foreign plot.

Tucker Carlson

2.

Ben Shapiro

You know, comment on the guy who calls the President the Antichrist and runs down the American military on behalf of Iran on the regular. That might be nice. That might be nice. Okay, so what actually needs to happen here? Well, we need to stop pursuing a policy of graduated escalation with Iran. That policy never works anywhere, anywhere. So here's what should have happened. And it should have happened before the death of the last couple American soldiers. It should have happened from the beginning. The President should have said, if an American soldier dies, one American soldier dies. Kharg island and South Pars go bye bye. They are gone, Obliterated, dead. And then you should have done it. The thing about the incredible threat of the use of force is it has to be credible. And it has to happen a couple of times in order for it to be credible. Hitting a few more bridges near the Straits of Hormuz ain't gonna do it. This sort of gradually escalated. We've tried this routine before. It does not work. Quick, fast, victorious. I don't want a forever war. I want this war over. And here's the thing. We do have the military capacity to do that. What we should say clearly and openly is if you kill American soldiers, we'll target Kharg, we'll target South Pars, and we'll kill all of the top members of the Iranian government. And we'll keep doing that, and we'll keep upping the ante in dramatic fashion, not gradually dramatic fashion. If you target a ship in the Strait of Hormuz, Kharg goes bye bye. And you won't be able to export oil anywhere for all time, forever. And then we'll see how you like it. We'll see how it goes for you. That is the thing that we should be doing, because this strategy of gradual escalation, we did this graduated pressure. We did this during the Vietnam War. It's an idiotic policy. For some reason, the United States keeps doing it. Why? Well, basically because of two things. We want to pretend that military policy is a form of negotiation, predominantly, and two, we tend to think that our technological advantage gives us some sort of inherent ability to manipulate the other side. And it's not true. It wasn't true in Vietnam. It's not true now. President Trump's former national security adviser, a man named General H.R. mcMaster, wrote what is considered sort of a textbook with regard to war strategy about the Vietnam War, titled Dereliction of Duty. It's a great book. And he talks about the fact that the Secretary of defense, a man named Robert McNamara, who came from sort of the industrial world, he came from the car industry, that he came up with this concept of graduated pressure, in which the goal was not to impose one's will on the enemy, but to communicate with him. Okay, first of all, you should not communicate through bombs. You should communicate with the phone. The bombs should communicate something which is, we will end you unless you pick up the phone. That's really the only message with the bombs. Now, instead, we did this thing where we would gradually raise the ratchet just to ratchet up a little bit. It was a strategy that relied heavily on technological superiority and precision. What the. What the J. JFK followed by lbj followed by Nixon. Administration thought of as war without war, and it failed because it turns out to be really long and really bloody. Here's the thing. Graduated pressure assumes the other side is rational and reasonable. And it rests on a couple of assumptions. One, that you're going to be able to keep it up forever, and two, that the limited application of force will compel the other side to the negotiating table and get a favorable diplomatic settlement from them. HR McMaster says there is no need to pursue military victory because negotiations would achieve the same political objectives with only the threat of more severe military action. Okay, does that sound familiar? We should not be doing that cuz it's stupid. The way to use the military is to clobber the other side. Clobber them. Not this. Pinpoint accuracy, targeting specific sites here, specific sites. Go after the biggest targets. Do it fast and do it hard. Because the threat from the other side is they can last forever. Basically subsisting at at survival levels. That is not a premise you should grant. You want to know, by the way, again, you want to know which country has not been targeted over the course of the last several weeks? Israel has not been targeted by Iran. You want to know why Israel has not been targeted by Iran? Because Israel is successfully achieving deterrence right now. Iran knows that if a single cruise missile falls inside Israel's border, Israel will go ballistic. They will go in and they will do everything. Iran knows this. Why do they know this? Because Israel has said it over and over and over and then has done it. The United States is significantly more powerful, like by orders of magnitude more powerful than the Israeli military. The fact that we are being sort of held at bay in any way, shape or form is ridiculous. The President said early on, back in June that if American soldiers died, it would fundamentally change the strategy. That is a thing that we absolutely should do. We should fundamentally change our strategy. No more gradual pressure, graduated pressure, gradual escalation. None of that. You kill an American soldier and you pay an ultimate price. Alrighty folks. Coming up, we'll get into the situation over in Oregon where it turns out that the trans insanity has not nearly ended. You thought the show was over, but it's not. 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