Charlie Kirk

My name is Charlie Kirk. I run the largest pro American student

Jack

organization in the country, fighting for the

Blake

future of our republic.

Charlie Kirk

My call is to fight evil and to proclaim truth. If the most important thing for you

Blake

is just feeling good, you're gonna end up miserable.

Jack

But if the most important thing is

Blake

doing good, you will end up purposeful.

Jack

College is a scam, everybody.

Blake

You gotta stop sending your kids to college.

Jack

You should get married as young as possible and have as many kids as possible.

Blake

Go start a Turning Point USA College chapter.

Jack

Go start a Turning Point USA High School chapter. Go find out how your church can get involved. Sign up and become an activist. I gave my life to the Lord in fifth grade.

Blake

Most important decision I ever made in my life.

Jack

And I encourage you to do the same.

Charlie Kirk

Here I am, Lord.

Jack

Use me.

Charlie Kirk

Buckle up everybody. Here we go.

Blake

Noble Gold Investments is the official gold sponsor of the Charlie Kirk Show, a company that specializes in gold IRAs and physical delivery of precious metals. Learn how you could protect your wealth with Noble gold investments@noblegold investments.com that is noblegold investments.com. hello, everybody. Welcome to episode 135 of Thoughtcrime. We were off last week because of course we had to cover the Tyler Robinson hearing, every inch of it. But we are now back. We have Tyler with us. He tries to sneak away a lot, but Tyler is with us in studio. We also have on the road, we have Andrew in an undisclosed location and Jack in an even more suspicious looking undisclosed location. Possibly a hostage video. We're not sure. Are you guys both there? Can you hear us?

Charlie Kirk

Yeah, but we can hear you.

Tyler

Andrew, how's. How's the weather down at Fort Watchee?

Blake

Oh, oh, you gotta be careful with these things. They're gonna. We're gonna get at least like 18 episodes about that from you know who.

Charlie Kirk

You know how the Internet clips this stuff? My goodness.

Jack

Well, they, they

Tyler

like the throw pillows up because I actually really nice.

Jack

And, and I think we've talked about on the show before. I've. I served at Fort Huachuca, I think twice in, in my career for, you know, different training programs and, and anyone who actually knows anything about like military knows the Fort Huachuca is like a training base. That's literally where you go, if you're in the army, you're going for, you know, for training right after boot camp or you would then go back for further training like I was doing. But it's, it's not, it's. It's training base.

Blake

I, I will say I, I will say I Have never been there. But due to all of the insane things they've said, I. I'll eventually have to go to Tombstone to check it out. Now do. Do the standard tourist runs very. And it's pre. So I'll probably go and take photos and just. Just for the memes, as it were.

Jack

You know what's really, really cool is Tyler, I think we talked about it. The town of Bisbee. You know Bisbee.

Blake

Yeah, I've heard. That's great. I want to. I want to go there.

Jack

It's really cool.

Tyler

You just stole the words right out of my mouth, Jack. I was just gonna. I'm like the biggest promoter of this.

Charlie Kirk

The.

Tyler

The queen mine. That's. That It's a copper mine.

Blake

Yeah.

Tyler

And it's still. They still can take you down there and you like go down like you know, in. You know in Back to The Future Part 2 When they go visit like the, like the cemetery and it's like. And they like see all the. Does anyone talk about part two or part three?

Blake

Well, it's a part three or three.

Tyler

No, it starts in part two, remember? No, no, part two they go. And he's. And he finds out that like like his dad. He died. No, he died like way back. He's like, wait, what? And then it leads into part three.

Jack

Part two.

Tyler

At the end of part two.

Jack

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I know you're talking about.

Tyler

Yeah, the mine. You like go in like there's like a graveyard that's right there and then you like go into a mine. It's like the most western thing that you've ever seen your entire life. And it's really cool down there. It's like a really. It's a really. It's a great thing to take people.

Blake

I'm excited to go. I went north for this last Memorial Day, but maybe the next time I have a three day weekend I will. I will explore the south. But speaking of this state, we have an unusual first topic but we wanted to get. Because Tyler never suggests topics he's like always a bit out of.

Tyler

He's.

Blake

He sometimes rolls in is like what are we talking about? But he had something he wanted to talk about today.

Jack

Can I. Can I just set it Throw out. Before we get into the topic. I just want to throw out that I'll. I will tell everyone that. So this is the first episode as far as I know that we've done from London, England. So I'm. I'm in London, England. We've done some international episodes before for. But I Think this is the first time that we've done an episode of Thought Crime where the things that I say on this program could be actual crimes where I am.

Blake

Especially if you blaspheme the prophet of Islam, who we know is the. You know, the state religion of the country that you're in right now.

Charlie Kirk

Yeah, I noticed. I noticed you were on set with Piers. That was like the first time I've ever seen anybody on Piers Morgan on set with him. That was like.

Jack

Yeah, no, I was actually. It was actually right there.

Charlie Kirk

You could. You could smell his musk. Anyways, I was.

Jack

I was. I was very. I was very attracted. I. I have to admit. But I. But I maintained. Maintained my unblemished record of heterosexuality.

Charlie Kirk

Did he smell like tikka masala,

Jack

you know? No, actually, that. His favorite food, some kind of cologne, something. Didn't see it. Didn't see anything like that anywhere near there.

Tyler

Jack. Jack rolled into England, and England immediately lost their football game.

Charlie Kirk

Ah, you're to blame, Jack.

Tyler

Jack had so much American spirit that his presence in the country of England caused them.

Jack

They were up against Messi, so, I mean, they were kind of expected.

Blake

Did you ever, like Jack, did you run into their manager and tell them to.

Jack

To.

Blake

To have that terrible strategy that caused them to lose the game where they scored?

Jack

Well, you know. You know, their manager isn't. You know the story about the manager, though, right?

Blake

I don't follow soccer, so.

Jack

No, I just know this because I'm here. People are all talking about it. So he's actually German. So one of the. One of the jokes that's going around, we're here at CPAC uk, and one of the jokes is that as a German, of course, he was a collaborating with the Argentinians.

Charlie Kirk

He's gonna flee to Argentina next. That's what. That's what comes next.

Jack

All right, all right.

Tyler

I'm sure there's some Polish people that made their way over to Argentina at some point, too. There's some Polish blood over there, too, probably.

Jack

It's a lot of German and Italian, though, as far as you know.

Blake

All right, now, actually, even though I'm

Jack

in London, I'm actually drinking one of my favorite Chinese drinks. This is coconut milk. So we're drinking coconut milk tonight.

Charlie Kirk

Oh, lovely.

Blake

All right, Tyler, pressure's on. You have your topic you wanted to talk about, and it involves the state of Arizona, which is a state near and dear to your heart, because unlike all the rest of us, you're actually from here.

Tyler

Well, it's also on the Heels of the Tyler Robinson stuff last week. I mean, this stuff is serious. Let's throw up the Arizona Central article. I think we have it right.

Charlie Kirk

Yeah.

Blake

Number one for B roll.

Charlie Kirk

Number one for B roll.

Tyler

So. So this is how the news reports things in Arizona. Former Arizona political candidate Brianna Westbrook is accused of burglary.

Blake

Okay. What a delightfully vague headline.

Tyler

What a delightfully vague headline. So the real title is that the former chair. Vice chair of the Democrat party. That's trans. So this is actually a man.

Blake

That is what Brianna. Was it Brian? Was it?

Tyler

I. I don't even know.

Charlie Kirk

Woman face.

Tyler

It's. It's. It's a man. I didn't even get deep enough to find out what his original name was, but Brianna is a man. I'm guessing it's Brian. It's probably a Brian. It held. Went to his ex. He thinks he's a lesbian because he's. This is his whole thing. And I don't even know if we. Did we. Did we pull up the website?

Blake

I don't think so. Tell us where to go and we can get it real quick.

Tyler

So this is crazy stuff.

Charlie Kirk

So that's a dude.

Blake

So we're showing

Tyler

he's been. He was the vice chair of the Democrat party in Arizona, pictured here with Kamala Harris, and now has quit. So he's no longer the vice chair of the Democrat party. But this was literally someone that got elected as the leader of the Democrat party and was caught this week, was arrested for going to his lover's or somebody's former lover's house. It's not super clear. At knife point. And burglar.

Charlie Kirk

So did they.

Blake

They stole stuff, but they were carrying a knife. Did they threaten someone with a knife?

Tyler

I don't. We don't know yet, but we know a knife was involved. So this unhinged trans man that's pretending to be a woman, it was. Shows up knife point. This was a candidate for legislative. So for. For the legislature this last time around. They. After that, elected him to be the vice chair. So that's like the second in command for the entire Democrat party in the state of Arizona. You can see here. Was prominent enough to be photographed with Kamala Harris during the election. This is crazy stuff. Like, totally crazy.

Charlie Kirk

Wait, so is the. The lover. Is the lover a dude or a woman?

Tyler

My understanding it's a woman. So it gets crazier. Okay, so somebody posted. So I posted about this. I was like, this is crazy. That.

Jack

How crazy is it that we don't even. Like, you have to Say my understanding, like we, like this is something that in normal crimes would just be sort of like a routine fact that. Okay, you. This type of person, we need the Daily Mail description. Sorry, it's just like, Jack, you're in

Blake

the uk, Crazy Jack, you're in the uk. You need to ask the Daily Mail to write an article about this so we can actually get the useful information about this person in an article that we can read.

Tyler

This gets crazier.

Jack

Yeah, when I go to Daily Mail

Charlie Kirk

it defaults to the.

Jack

Defaults to the UK edition, which is just horrible.

Tyler

Horrible. It must be terrible. It's really bad. So if we can pull up Harley Devil dot com. I don't know if we can pull that up. Oh, here it is. Yep. So this is from. So apparently.

Charlie Kirk

Wait, is that, is that him again?

Tyler

Yeah. So he has an entire giant fake breast. If you go to the website, you can scroll through this, you got to see the whole thing. So I don't know if we can pull up the whole website. Just go to harleydevil.com. i don't know if we can pull that up on somebody's computer.

Blake

And your favorite villain, your worst session.

Tyler

So if you go to Harley Devil and you know, don't do this around children, you have to type in your birth date first so that you can even access this website.

Blake

Harley Deville is a post op trans woman, queer performer and dark feminine force of nature. Her work blends erotic art, gothic glamour, seduction and unapologetic self expression. She performs solo and with select collaborators, creating scenes rooted in chemistry, consent, fantasy and raw visual intensity. I've got to like replace this laptop now.

Tyler

Tyler, you're never gonna be the same. You're probably gonna. You have cookies attached to your computer. But this, if we can pull up this, you gotta, you gotta see. This is like disgusting stuff. He has a onlyfans. He is on Instagram, Twitter, like not very many followers. TikTok. I mean this was the vice chair of the entire Democrat party for the state of Arizona that has won both senate seats that currently has the governorship here in Arizona.

Blake

So you're saying is that despite all of this, he was pretty good at it.

Tyler

This is who they elected. This is like who you're getting in Arizona. People don't believe me when they say like we have literally like, yeah, again, please don't open this up around kids. Like this will like literally mentally mess them up like for the future here. But this is, this is what you get with Democrats. Now the Democrat party has gone full trans They've gone full screw up. But this isn't the thing is the handles on these things. This isn't just your normal run of the mill cross dressing, you know, have fun messed around like messed up gay guy. This is literally a person who thinks he's a lesbian. He, he is a Satan worshiper. Like his name's Harley Deville or Harley Devil, right? Or whatever he's called himself. And on his. His screen names are like Harley Devil 666. This is a Satan worshiping straight up off the rocker. Like it says it pops up join the dark side. It's like really creepy stuff.

Blake

You're saying like Median Democrat voter 2026.

Tyler

This is the middle of the road for the Democrat party at. And this guy might be. We can't, we can't get, we can't

Charlie Kirk

get the reporters to report everybody that. Did they know this?

Tyler

There's not a single. Yeah, I was texting with main journalists

Charlie Kirk

when he got elected vice chair. Did they know this?

Tyler

I was texting with the, with the, with the, like one of the main political reporters at the Arizona Republic today. Just like making fun of him all day because I was like, you guys aren't even reporting on any of this stuff. Like, you guys write anytime that somebody like coughs the wrong way as a Republican, you guys write headline stories. You guys aren't writing headline stories on any of this stuff.

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Blake

Have we shown the other mug shot yet?

Charlie Kirk

It's pretty remarkable. Can we, can we take this down? I Don't want to take that down.

Blake

I sent you guys the mug show. That's a very funny one.

Tyler

It's evil stuff.

Blake

I'm looking at how other, like, I will say TV news. Tv, local news is a lot better than newspapers in terms of being honest to things. I'm checking a ktar, which is one of our.

Tyler

No, but nobody's reporting. Nobody's reported on this Harley Deville stuff. No one's report. No one's talked about any of this. No one's hardly even reported that this person's trans. They're like, oh, Brianna, she's wonderful. Oh, darn her for committing burglary. Like.

Blake

Westbrook helped organize the 2019 Women's March in Phoenix. She organized the women's march during her initial court appearance.

Jack

So if. What if you're. Are trans an ally of women in that case? Or are you. You are a woman. I can't keep up.

Tyler

No, she keep up. This. This. He is such a. Is such a. Such an ally of women, you know, thinks he's a lesbian. Such an ally of women. He's showing up to what I presume is another woman's house with a knife. So this is what you get with.

Charlie Kirk

Do we understand? Do we know that the backstory was this just domestic violence? Was this like.

Tyler

I don't think it's been invested.

Charlie Kirk

We know the details.

Tyler

I don't think it's been investigated yet. We just know that he got arrested for showing up with a knife to and ex's place.

Charlie Kirk

It's probably on came.

Tyler

So we're probably gonna get some. Some kind of body cam footage. We're probably gonna get. So this is. This is a nightmare for Democrats in, in Arizona because again, this is the reason why they don't want to report on it. Because there's gonna be body cam footage. I'm sure there's ring camera footage. There's gonna be some kind of case that, that goes on with this. And whoever the poor woman is that got in this relationship with this guy, you know, I feel so bad for her, right? Like. And maybe it's another trans man. I don't know. But, like, let's.

Charlie Kirk

I mean, if you're. If you're associated with somebody with this much mental illness, then you, you're probably mentally ill too. So you could look at that one or two ways.

Blake

I like the K12.

Tyler

I've thought about that, Andrew, and that's like a.

Charlie Kirk

That's like a thought, isn't it, ktar?

Tyler

Yeah.

Blake

I don't know. I don't listen to the radio. So ktar. They're right up. They're right up. They're right up. Has a very funny line at the end. During her. His initial court appearance, Westbrook told the judge she. He had never been arrested before, even though she wrote a 2018 blog post about being arrested. And it's an ACLU blog post. Law enforcement mistreated me because I'm transgender. I was arrested. This guy got arrested for trespassing at Senator Jeff Flake's office in Phoenix and got arrested for that. And the charge against.

Charlie Kirk

Same one later dropped.

Blake

Well, what's that?

Tyler

The funny part about that is now the same. Now Jeff Flake is, like, friends with these people.

Blake

I mean, Jeff Flake might. I mean, Jeff Flake might even soon be, you know, another trans woman who could get. Get Did Burglariz. Sorry, I just about. I shouldn't say that. I don't know any evidence.

Tyler

I have a minorly soft spot my heart. Because he was one of the few people who absolutely hate us that reached out after Charlie was.

Blake

Okay, that's good. Okay. I fully disavow that mean thing I said about Jeff Flake.

Tyler

I've been. I've been. I've been cautious to attack Jeff Flake just because of that. Even though he.

Charlie Kirk

I think Jeff Flake. Yeah, I think Jeff Flake has low t. I think Pete Hegseth would like to have a word with Jeff Flake. All right, Jack. Sorry. I know you're trying to get in there, but.

Jack

But no, I was gonna say that, you know, this. This would actually be extremely on brand for. For a lesbian. Because if we're ready to really get into thought crimes that according to the cdc, in multiple reports, the. The lifetime physical violence by an intimate partner. The highest percentage is with lesbian couples.

Tyler

Yeah, that is. That is true. That is accurate. And. And they have the highest breakups, too.

Jack

Yep.

Tyler

Because. So the number one. The worst combination that people have shown like. And. And I don't believe this totally. Because they say that men stay together like two gay men stay together longer than male. Female combinations. Now.

Charlie Kirk

But.

Tyler

But by. By wide margin, lesbian couples have the most tumult in their relationships.

Blake

Oh, we got a real quick. We got a donation from zuzu's petals. Thank you. $5. And she says everything I am seeing about this person makes me want to scrub my eyeballs so I can unsee is.

Tyler

Yes, it is literally one of the worst things that's going on. And no one's talking about this.

Charlie Kirk

That's what I was gonna Say the craziest thing is that this is so not reported yet. I think we can get some. Some people to report this.

Blake

People.

Charlie Kirk

I'm gonna send this segment to a couple people.

Blake

People complain that local news is dying out. And I think this is a large part of it is you just. You'll have these libs who are working at the Arizona Republic, and they'll complain nobody reads local news anymore. No one's supporting their local newspapers. And then they just actively refuse to cover the things that would totally get them eyeballs, like, insane weird, you know, transgender person who's a Democrat burglarizes their lovers. I'm like, this is free content. You should be milking this for all it's worth. And. And they refuse to do so, and then they complain.

Charlie Kirk

I feel like there's a bunch of jokes in there, but yes, Tyler, thank you for raising this to the fore. And we can't let it go.

Tyler

I want to. I want to bring this up because we got to talk about on the show, like, there's going to be lots of things that happen with this because this. This. This isn't just like some rando candidate that the Democrats can disavow. They elected him to be the vice chair of the Democrat Party for multiple years.

Charlie Kirk

When did said. When did said trans person stop being a vice chair?

Tyler

I don't know. I don't know the exact timeline. I think it was sometime. I think it was after 2025, so I think it was sometime last year, but it was for two years.

Charlie Kirk

But relatively recently, this person. No, this was like the Democrat Party.

Tyler

Yeah, he was the vice chair of. Of the Democrat Party.

Charlie Kirk

Wonder when he transitioned a while ago. He's already on Women's Face 2018.

Blake

In 2018. They have a photo of him, and he definitely looks much more. Dude who grew his hair long compared to recent ones, which seem much more. Yeah, Operative Hormonal, for lack of a. For lack of a better word.

Tyler

Operative is actually.

Charlie Kirk

Yeah, you're right. It's probably operation.

Jack

Operative is literally the word, actually.

Blake

Exactly. Before we move on to dialing, how excited are you about.

Jack

Hold on. Are we changing topics?

Blake

Well, I was gonna say if. Before we semi move on to the next topic, I was going to ask if he's excited about the New York Post writing up his. His other. His other bet. Noir in Arizona politics. Ruben Gallego. Did you see that?

Charlie Kirk

Ruben Gallego.

Tyler

I'm cautious to talk about it until more stuff comes out, because.

Jack

Yeah, I think it. I think they need. I mean, I think we need more on that. I think we need more. But no, Tyler, I was all.

Charlie Kirk

I said, yeah. Oh, go ahead, Jack.

Jack

No, I was going to ask if you're. So. If you're. I mean, maybe it's just a broader question for everyone, but, you know, if. If you're Democrat and you get elected as one gender and then at some point you transition to another gender and, and also change your name and. And you say this is actually my real identity, then then would there be a question that you're. That your. Your, you know, election to government was actually, you know, therefore invalid because you actually weren't elected. It was somebody else who was elected.

Tyler

I mean, I think that you. You should be able to make that case. Right.

Blake

I wish we could make that case because then we could bring it against all the Republicans who run as one thing and then become a bunch of eunuchs in D.C. because there are certainly spiritual eunuchs as well as quite literal physical ones who run onlyfans. All right, that was fun. Glad we got it. And we can wait on more stuff to come about out about Ruben. We can get a second Tyler topic.

Jack

Did we get. Did we get this clip? Did we get this clip that. That I. That I found today? Before we, before we lose off the trans topic, I believe we do have this loaded that. So I'm over here in the UK and I came across. So there was a murder in the uk. This, you know, beautiful woman, this. This older woman, Anne Whitakem, she's a former Conservative mp. She's been serving as a spokeswoman for reformed Nigel Farage's party. And she was murdered in her home, bludgeoned to death in the. In her own kitchen in the countryside in Devon. And we're, you know, get. At first they said, oh, it's not political. It's not political. But then we found out that the suspect drove 300 miles to get to her house and then drove all the way back, which is, you know, a little bit odd if it's just a burglary or something. And. And now the police are actually investigating it as political. And, you know, remains to be seen, obviously. Caveat. Caveat. But there was a. A trans, I guess, MP that, you know, that they have from Scotland, who was just trashing. And I said, oh, my gosh, I can't believe this. And then I saw that this trans had also made some comments about Charlie, and I had never even heard of this. And, you know, maybe it's something that had gone viral, you know, kind of in the Wake of that, when we all sort of, you know, we were sort of obviously otherwise occupied. But guys, I saw it, so you have to see it. You know the rules. It's SOT24.

Charlie Kirk

Charlie Kirk was a transphobe, possibly one of the biggest transphobes in America. He was a right wing idiot.

Tyler

Basically. He

Charlie Kirk

died spreading misinformation about trans people and gun violence. He would not mourn my death at all and I don't mourn his. That's not to say that I want people to die. I don't want him, I didn't want him to die. But since somebody shot him, I don't really care. And to the fake liberals who are, oh, oh no, how dare you. The poor. He's a human, don't you know.

Tyler

So we have a trans problem in this country, in this world.

Charlie Kirk

Yeah.

Jack

And that's, that's Scott. So that was. And I just want to make be clear. What was that? This is a Fortis, former Scottish Green candidate for Member of Parliament and currently an employee, of course, at the University of Aberdeen. Works in higher education.

Charlie Kirk

Teachers and nurses, like it's. I don't know what it is like a moth to the flame, but it's like crazy radicals are just drawn to these two professions. And I will never really fully understand why. I have my theories, but it's like, man, be careful when you're talking to nurses and teachers, professors, because 50% odds you're talking to a lunatic. That's basically where I put it at. And we have a lot of great nurses and there's a lot of great teachers. So it's one of those things where it's like, we need these people. But man, those professions are chock full of crazy people.

Blake

I think the more blunt answer to that is those are nurses that have nurses and teachers are positions that there's a ton of them and they're just demanding enough that those people are going to have like verbal acuity to post things online that are annoying and they're hard to fire. Teachers, they get tenure, they can say insane things, but if you try to fire them, they get six figure settlements for it. Nurses, there's always hospitals.

Charlie Kirk

You know what you're reminding me of?

Blake

Always go to a new place.

Charlie Kirk

Well, that's true about nurses, but the. Remember that professor at the Nathan Hale school district in Chicago that did that like gesture during the no Kings march? Sure. That woman's still employed. Mm. We gotta get her name. I forgot her name. But we, I like every so often I tweet about it just to make sure she knows I remember her because it was so obscene. And the fact that she's still around kids. Yeah. So I think my theory on, on

Jack

the teachers and nurses is because obviously there are some people who are attracted to it because they actually want to help others. And those are the best ones. Yes, no question. But there's also a subset of people who are attracted to those positions because they give you power over others and in, in both cases, power over people who can't, who can't do anything about it. You know, a patient obviously is inherently going to be somewhat limited and a child. Right. You know, and so it's, it's. A lot of it has to do with projection because you look at some of these, those people in their personal lives, and they're so horrible. And like, they're, there's, you know, these are the people who have like, you know, their, their apartments are cluttered and, and filled with, with the insanity. And they, you know, their, their personal lives are usually an absolute brainwreck. And, and then because they can't control themselves and can't control their own lives, what they do is they seek out these positions where they can have these little modicums of control over others, and they become these petty tyrants.

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Blake

All right, we got Zuzu.

Charlie Kirk

She says, I want, I want to

Blake

scrub my eyeballs again. Thank you, Jack.

Jack

Hey, you know the rules. You guys know the rules, all right? I don't make the rules, I just enforce them. I saw it, so you have to see it. I had to Bring it to the boys.

Charlie Kirk

I remember when I was. I took my family on a vacation. This is years ago now, and I think I actually told this story once before, so I'll keep it brief, but took him on a vacation to Hawaii. And I was listening to some people from Texas that were in the pool, just overhearing them. And the young woman, she must have been 22, something like that, was telling this older couple, like, the reason I got into teaching is because I want to turn them into communists. Like, I heard her.

Tyler

Yeah.

Charlie Kirk

Saying it out loud. And she looked like a total radical leftist floating in a pool, enjoying the fruits of capitalism. And she said, yeah, that's why I got into it.

Tyler

They get really excited. Blake walk in because he looks like

Blake

Vladimir Lenin, something like that. But the Blake Shavix, the Nephilim, they're all lining up. All right, speaking of the nephilim. Speaking of the Nephilim, I am imposing topic two on us because I am excited for this. JD Vance, we talked a lot on the show earlier today about what Vance had to say about Epstein and Israel and a variety of other things. But we need to get into the best part of Vice President Vance's conversation with Joe Rogan, which is when they started talking about aliens and if they are demons. We have a kind of long warm up clip here, but I think it's pretty important to set the stage. We can show some others, but let's just dive into it. J.D. vance, he gets confronted with. Are the aliens demons? Clip 6.

Charlie Kirk

You said something that I thought was very odd. Okay, you said that you thought that they were demons. Okay, I did say that. What did you mean by that?

Blake

Well, I.

Charlie Kirk

First of all, not just in Christianity, but in a number of world religions, there are a number of like, you know, mystical things that happened. Extra dimensional, extra. Like, I'm not one of these people who's like a hyper rationalist. Like, I think that there are things happening in the world that we're not always seeing. You know, I believe in God. I think that there is a kind of. What's the word I'm looking for? Not extra real supernatural. Supernatural. There are supernatural things that are happening. Okay, so if you look historically at things that are similar to the alien phenomenon where, oh, some like, strange being, it kind of looks like a human being, but doesn't look like. But it's not human and it shows a particular interest in human beings. And then it takes the human beings and, you know, like, does weird experiments on them. I think my argument is that's either.

Jack

Bullshit.

Charlie Kirk

Right? You're either talking to a crazy person, which I don't like. I'm not saying. Just because I believe in the supernatural doesn't mean I believe in everything supernatural. But if we're talking about an extraterrestrial being that is human like, but not human, that contains effectively infinite powers and is torturing human beings, you can call it an alien if you want, but I think there's a lot of historical precedent to call that a demon.

Blake

All right, well, one. While we were listening to that, one of our. One of our co hosts, Tyler, he.

Tyler

He.

Blake

He's disappeared. He may have been left behind there was abducted.

Charlie Kirk

This beam of light.

Jack

Yeah, big beam of light came down.

Blake

He's gone. He's gone.

Tyler

Where'd he go?

Blake

We don't know. He's out. Tyler.

Charlie Kirk

Which is.

Blake

We'll have to get to the bottom of this. But while we wait and investigate and maybe have one of our staffers seek out whether Tyler is still with us or not, what do we make about

Charlie Kirk

we actually have eyes on Tyler, but Caboose, do we have eyes on Tyler? Pretty sure Tyler got zapped.

Blake

Oh, gosh. He's gone.

Tyler

He's gone.

Blake

He's with them.

Charlie Kirk

I like to test Caboose to make sure he's, like, on the ball.

Jack

Wait, can we. Can we just, like. Can we. Can we just, like, get Russ in or something? Like. Like. This is terrible.

Blake

Whoa. What's that? Oh, the light. It's too bright.

Tyler

Ah. I can't shut up.

Blake

I can't look at it.

Charlie Kirk

Oh, did that. Did they.

Blake

Wait, he's back.

Jack

Wait, hold on, hold on, hold on.

Blake

What happened?

Jack

Do we know. Wait a minute. Do we know that this is the real Tyler? Do we have any way to verify?

Blake

Tell us something only the real Tyler Bowyer would know.

Charlie Kirk

Did they probe you?

Jack

Yeah.

Charlie Kirk

Did they probe you, Tyler?

Tyler

If I had an identical twin, how cool that would be to, like, go in and out.

Blake

That's true. That's the exact code phrase. Tyler said we had to see if he was abducted by a body snatcher or not. So it's the real Tyler.

Tyler

It's funny.

Blake

He disappeared for a bit.

Tyler

You know, it's funny. I have, like, one of the most forgettable faces people, like, can never remember me ever. Ever.

Blake

Ooh, careful with that one. But anyway, intelligence agencies love that. Now that we have Tyler back, we can probe whether. You just got probed in in a second, but we just saw J.D. vance basically said, I know. Maybe there are aliens out there. They might be celestial beings of Some kind. And that's the Vice President of the United.

Charlie Kirk

I agree with his premise on the biggest podcast. I agree with this premise.

Blake

You agree?

Charlie Kirk

Listen, I think, Yeah, I think the far more likely scenario than like, you know, flying saucers and like tractor beams is literally just demonic presence. So you have to be a theist to believe that, which I happen to be.

Tyler

So I have a question for Jack on the, on the intelligence side of things. There are levels, right? So there are things that the President knows that the Vice President doesn't know,

Blake

like whether the atomic bomb exists.

Tyler

Right.

Jack

So I mean, it's, it's levels is the wrong way to think about it if you want to be like, I don't know if we're being tongue in cheek right now or not, but like, it's, it's not levels, it's, it's compartments, right? It's literally like, which, you know, so

Tyler

there's some compartments that the Vice President doesn't have.

Jack

Which cup is the ball? It's like, it's not even that. It's like which cup is the ball under. Right. So it's, it's, it's, it's, it's way deeper than that. It's, it's this idea that there are offices in one part of the building that are working on one program that nobody else knows about. There could be two or three people who know about that specific read in and who have access to that specific accm. And then there'll be people on like, like two cubicles away from them that don't even know about it and are working on their other thing. So the idea that the President would even be read in at all would, you know, would only come up if something broached the level of needing some type, you know, if it, if it needing some kind of presidential, you know, authority or finding or really if it got public. So the, the, the way the, this is like the guy who had the, who stole like 40 million in gold or gold bars from the CIA or something and you know, claim that he was working on a, on a black operation. So it's, it's, it's, it's again, it's just like Russian nesting dolls, one, one upon another. And I don't think there's any, I don't think there's any one person who actually knows everything the government is doing.

Blake

So, so what's interesting with. That's like Dance on, Rogan.

Jack

That's. I'm saying that as a guy who actually tried to like understand how all of this works and went into that world. I think that's probably the best way I can put it.

Blake

What's interesting with Vance on Rogan is he. I think he throws this out there, maybe thinking this is something that Rogan's going to really agree on. But actually Rogan pushes back and is kind of like, I'm not sure I follow this. Mr. Vice President, this is an interesting clip. Clip seven.

Charlie Kirk

This could all be bullshit. This could all be fake. That's a possibility. But if it's real, is there really a meaningful difference between an angel or a demon and a space alien with super technology? To our perception, they would largely just look like the same thing. I think we're capable of nuance and we're capable of understanding that human beings are far more complex and evolved than chimpanzees. And we could imagine a world where if we don't blow ourselves up and there's not a nuclear bomb and there's not a. We don't get hit by an asteroid, if we live another million years that we would have technology that's indistinguishable from magic. Right, exactly. We could show them demons. It just means they're hyper evolved, advanced civilizations from somewhere else. And what I'm saying is the perception of those beings to a more simple intelligence, sure. There's not a meaningful. There's not a meaningful difference.

Blake

So first, someone in the chat says Tyler definitely got probed. Second, Kyrie in the chat is a little traumatized because Vice President Vance has said the word BS twice. He's clearly enjoying the slightly less PG atmosphere of going on the Joe Rogan experience. But third, just, I don't know. It strikes me as really interesting that you have the Vice President sort of just wildly speculating on angels and demons and aliens. And I kind of get that it's interesting. Although I also. Maybe this is, maybe this is fuddy duddy of me. I don't, I don't know if the Vice President should be talking about that. It's going to drive a lot of people like really gaga. I think they're gonna be like, what, is he paving the way for them to reveal the aliens to us? Is he paving the way for them to reveal the demons to us? We hear a lot of demon talk these days and I'm not sure that it's been that good for the right for us to be talking about demons all of the time. That that's maybe. Am I alone on this one? Are people pro demon talk?

Jack

I don't, I don't think That, I mean, I don't think that it's something that's going to cause like a political issue, if that's what you're saying, that, like, that, like it's going to drive people to be upset or something. Like, I just, I think it's one of those things, you know, that it does, it certainly does very well in the podcast Fear. I think it's very interesting, like we're doing right now. And I think it's, I think it's something that people have a genuine interest in. I don't know. I, I, I, I, I, I, I don't know if it has any political ramifications. If, if that's you're asking the question is, it's, it's, it's because it's more like, it's more like. And, and, you know, they're probably a good amount of people in the base that certainly agree with it.

Charlie Kirk

So, yeah, the question is, the question is, is it real? Like, is it truthful? And if JD's being truthful, I mean, Blake, I think your point is, like, is he gonna rile up a bunch of crazies on the Internet and, you know, cause him to spiral out of control and we're gonna get to skip more crazy conspiratorial nonsense? I don't know. That's possible. But what I would say is, like, actually, as somebody who agrees with what he's saying, that the more plausible answer is that there are spiritual beings, whether they are of light or of dark, that sometimes appear to man. And we see that through scripture, that angels do appear to man from time to time. And maybe, you know, the higher up and the atmosphere that we have aircraft, the more we're going to encounter celestial beings. I don't know. But the question, my point is, like, I actually find that to be a more plausible answer. And if that's what he believes, the truth, then yeah, but, yeah, is it sort of revealing how little we maybe know? You know, maybe he's, he's, by speculating, he's sort of. The big tell is we're clueless about this stuff. Actually. Yeah, maybe that's, maybe that's.

Tyler

Charlie and I have told this story slightly. We alluded to it, that we were shared some information at some point that led us to believe that aliens are a real thing. So take that for what it's worth, right at this point. There's been enough talk about it. I'm a big believer Trump's probably going to want to go down as the guy before he leaves office that, like, exposes a lot of truth on. On the whole alien.

Charlie Kirk

It feels very Trumpian.

Tyler

And I would. I mean, look, if you're president, you want to be the guy that's remembered for the rest of human history. I mean, what do you got to lose at that point, right? Like, get into your 80s. Like, who cares? Like, you know something. Everybody, the whole world is, like, pressed up against you, telling you that you should. You can't tell everyone because they're not sure what it'll do to the. To the markets or whatever. Like, he's probably going to do it. Like, so, you know, if this thing is real, which we think it is, and enough people have talked about it, I think there's a really good chance in 2027, late or early or mid-2028, we'll probably hear something more concrete. Now the question is, what are the repercussions of that if they're. So. There's. There's speculation that there's. Aliens are real. And there's a lot of different viewpoints of. This is like, they're angels, they're demons, they're us that have gone outside the

Blake

time warp who traveled into the past to come back to the present.

Tyler

Well, well, it's like the. It's like the interstellar thing, right? Which is like they've advanced like, 5, 10,000 years beyond outside, you know, and in a different time, and then they. They've traveled back. And so that's. That's part of it. Whatever. The answer is, all I know is that I think it hasn't really shook my religion because I do believe kind of what JD is saying, which is that there's probably some really big thing that involves God where he will make these things known to us as he intends. Right? So, like, I'm a big believer in that. And I think that that's the interesting part about this whole thing is like, whatever happens over the next couple years, or maybe it doesn't. Maybe Trump. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe Trump doesn't want to be the guy that's known forever as the president who unlocks aliens for the world. But I think he is. But I think that that's it. I think at the end of the day, this is really. I think people need to consider kind of along the lines of what JD's saying, and I think that that's actually maybe a soft approach so that the world doesn't freak out.

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Tyler

does that make sense?

Charlie Kirk

Did you guys ever see the ancient apocalypse on Netflix?

Blake

No, I, I don't.

Charlie Kirk

Hosted by Graham Hancock, that British archaeologist

Blake

to the Netflix, Netflix. That's a demon in our lives.

Charlie Kirk

He basically, he basically pauses and read

Jack

most of his books.

Charlie Kirk

Yeah, yeah. He basically posits that these ancient civilizations were far more advanced than we realize, either through the archaeological record or whatever. He, he brings up some interesting points and his whole position is basically speculating whether or not there were aliens or, you know, time traveling humans that went back in time and helped them become far more advanced. And then there was some great cataclysmic apocalypse, whether it be weather related or a comet or something that essentially stopped them in their tracks. And it's taken this long for human civilization to now advance up to that point and passed it. But it, it's what a lot of people believe and I think that's what Joe Rogan is kind of speculating. By the way, Joe Rogan, when he starts talking about this stuff, it was like you could instantly see that J.D. vance entered into Joe Rogan's wheelhouse and he's like, son, let me tell you about all of the UFO specialists that I've had on the show. He had like some very, very authoritative statements there that he made. But I don't know. I. The point is time traveling humans, aliens, angels or demons. I mean, now that I think about it, the more, more I'm listening to what JD Said, it kind of made me feel like he's Convinced there's something there, that he's, he's seen something and that, that's actually the, the weirder take. Like I felt, I feel like listening back to that. He sees something.

Blake

My hot take here. My hot take here. And I emphatically believe it is we may get our government to come out and confirm that aliens are real. And yeah, as you said, 27, 28, maybe some future year after that, but it's not going to be because they are real. It's just going to be because we have too many people in government who drink the Kool Aid and get bamboozled by this stuff. I think that's what it's gonna be. I think none of this evidence has ever held up. People are just, are just going loopy. There was that clip they published just a few days ago that looked weird. And then someone pointed out it looked like it was stretched horizontally. And as soon as you compressed it a little bit to be more normal looking, like with its pixels, it just looks like a bunch of balloons floating through the air. I just feel like that's what it is every single time people really want to believe. And so they're just gonna be like, oh, it's real.

Jack

Yeah. So, Blake, I'll just say this, that I agree with you that most of the evidence that's come out does not seem very compelling to me and that. So I was on Air Force One when Peter Doocy asked the President that question about the UFOs. And you know, I've been with the president when I could tell when there's something that sort of excites him, I could tell there's something that, like a question he's into. There's people who think that he's like this, you know, opaque, impossible to read guy. And I, I actually have the totally opposite view. I think he's pretty open about where he stands on things and he's pretty vocal, obviously on, on where he stands. And it just seemed like a question that or a topic that he was just not, not really that into. It just seemed like something that he was, you know, hadn't given much thought to. And, you know, he came up with an answer on the spot, which is a good answer, but it certainly wasn't something that, you know, he had on the tip of his tongue. So I'm just going to say that having that firsthand observation, he. He did not really seem all that into it. But he said like, hey, you know, if people want these files, you know, sure, yeah, we'll release whatever you want. Like, no problem. So that's, that's just what I remember from being there.

Tyler

Somebody brought up, I think.

Charlie Kirk

Here's.

Tyler

Sorry, go ahead. I put this, I put this in the chat. I think that I, I want to say what I think, which is, I think JD's right. I don't think demons are aliens. I think how we've perceived maybe like angelic figures are aliens and.

Blake

Because again, the aliens are angels or

Tyler

angels are aliens, because there's, I mean, there's a lot of different faith points around demons. But some people believe that demons can possess people, but they don't have their own bodies and physical nature. Right. That's, that's like generally. Yeah, that's what I believe is that they, they never attained a body, but they're, they exist.

Jack

Yeah. By the way, Tyler, I don't want to, I want to say, even though I had that experience with the President, I don't disagree with anything you're saying at all.

Tyler

So, so I think this works. So I think demonstration exist that aren't aliens, but I think that perceivably angels that have been sent to Earth, which I totally believe has happened biblically and everything else could be interdimensional.

Blake

That's interesting. I think if I watched the Jesus of Nazareth, that old classic miniseries from the 70s, and if I remember right, that one portrays like the, the, the Annunciation when Gabriel comes to Mary.

Jack

Yep.

Blake

And it portrays him as invisible to others, like Mary can see Gabriel but nobody else. And that's kind of what gets me about this is where they're saying this UFO phenomena, like it could be, it could be angels, it could be heavenly phenomenon. I guess if our idea of it is that it's supernatural, would it really like show up on our cameras like that? It's just, it's just something. I don't know.

Jack

Yeah.

Blake

It rubs me the wrong way a little.

Charlie Kirk

Couldn't they.

Jack

I'll just tell you, I'll just tell you straight up that most of the stuff that people see over and like, I'm, I'm. I, I just talked. You asked me about the intel community before. Like, most of the stuff that you see over the skies is, is just new technology that they have not made public yet. That is, that is the vast majority of what's going on. That was the New Jersey stuff. And you know, a lot of this is done in the contract world. So they can come out and say, oh, that's not a. You know, those aren't government assets. And it's like, well, yeah, because it's a contractor who has a government contract. Right. But it's, it's like that's, that's mostly what you're seeing is proprietary.

Charlie Kirk

Well, this is a really good point. This is a really good point, Jack, because like you think about what's like the B2 bomber, like, isn't that like 1980s technology or whatever? So we're like maybe developing it. Yeah, so, so, so they. Yeah, what did I say? Yeah, the stealth bomber. Anyways, the point is. So that's 40 year old technology, right? So maybe like 46 year old technology. So we don't even know what they've been developing. Like what's five year old technology? And you know, for example, I had it described by one of these experts. They have these, allegedly have these, these spinning plasma like ships. That would be basically what you would think a UFO would look like, right? The, the saucers. And essentially the theory is, is that if you spin liquid plasma around at a really fast rate, essentially there's no limitations on G's that the vessel can then pull. Right. So if the thing is. Yeah, yeah, stop, start. Yeah. And so this is in, this is a theoretical, in theory, it might be quite real, actually. Technology that the US government probably, maybe, who knows, has. And these would be floating objects that could move up and down, side to side, take right angle turns, that sort of thing. And you know, this is stuff that people have developed quite a long ways in the theoretical world, and they theorize that it could actually already exist. So a lot of people, if that's true, if this technology does exist and we've had it for some amount of time, then that maybe that's what a lot of this stuff is. You just never know.

Blake

So just throwing this out here because we're talking about this and whether it's moderna. Have you guys ever heard of the celestial phenomenon over Nuremberg?

Jack

Yeah.

Tyler

No. Yeah.

Blake

Have you, have you heard of this, Andrew?

Tyler

No, I'm looking it up.

Blake

No, this is pretty wild. Throw, throw up that thing. I got that.

Jack

I said this is 1 in 15 in Russia.

Blake

Hold on, hold on. In 1560, 1961. So this is before we had modern cameras or anything. Reportedly many women and men in the city of Nuremberg in Germany, which was one of the biggest cities in Europe at the time. A big happening spot. They saw a aerial battle out of the sun in which a large black triangular object appeared and various spheres began to tumble out of the sky. They allegedly saw hundreds of different colored spheres, cylinders and other odd shaped objects that moved erratically overhead. And it apparently was just, was just quite the site for everyone and no one has any idea what it is. And someone wrote it up and published it in a broadsheet back then and everyone kind of was like, wow, that must have been pretty weird. But we don't know what it was.

Charlie Kirk

Was there multiple witnesses like that documented this? Or is it just some writing a

Blake

broadsheet so someone wrote it up at the time. Literacy was less common then. So I think we only have one account of it. And so one of, one of the takes is basically that this was just someone writing like a tabloid weird thing like, oh, guess what happened, guys?

Tyler

Early tabloid.

Blake

Yeah, like super early tabloid kooky stuff happened. There were blood red strips becoming thicker to the rear and in the front malleable like the rods of reed grass with which they intermingled. And it like describes us. It's too long to read all of it, but this stuff's been going around for a long time.

Jack

Well, can I, can I make one more point before we, before we jump off all of this? And that's, that's when it's when J.D. vance brings up spirituality to Rogan. And it's, it, it amazes me that a guy like Rogan who's, you know, super successful as he is, that he's still clinging to this like very, you know, teenage kind of like high school party boy mentality that, you know, oh, I can believe in DMT machine elves and I can believe in aliens and interdimensional beings, but the minute you bring up anything from the Bible and, and you know, they got into it over the ten Commandments later, you know, the minute you bring up anything from the Bible, you just have to shut it down immediately. And that's actually what I think his you know, sort of knee jerk response was there because he's generally been very hostile to religion.

Tyler

Yeah, it's, it's like he was more uncomfortable with the idea of like, it's really interesting what you're saying. He was more uncomfortable with the idea of angels than he was with the idea of aliens.

Jack

He was like annoyed aliens.

Tyler

He was like annoyed that like J.D.

Jack

vance, how dare you bring this Bible talk into it.

Tyler

And it's like, that's interesting. I don't think anyone, I don't even think I picked up on that, Jack. Cuz I thought he was just kind of like annoyed with the alien talk because I think it's, I think he, I thought maybe he values that as

Jack

like, I think, I think it was, I think it was the Bible Talk.

Blake

Because he, because he did the same.

Tyler

He didn't want to, he didn't want to talk about.

Blake

Yeah, I don't, you know, it reminds me of how a lot of these Silicon Valley.

Jack

It was triggering because, because he probably realizes that there, there may be a grain of truth there that may.

Tyler

There's all these, but there's all these really important point. I say over here, I got forced to sit over on this side of the table. I get, I get to make this point. So I actually have a theory why Joe Rogan never had Charlie on his show. And I think it's totally 100% the face stuff, because he, he did not want to discuss the face stuff. He did not want to look stupid discussing the face stuff.

Charlie Kirk

Isn't he going back to church?

Tyler

Maybe. I know, but that doesn't, that doesn't change the fact that he doesn't want to discuss that stuff. And when you have somebody that knows a lot of stuff that may, like, like you're asking, Finding questions and it may not be that he'll make him look stupid, but he, he's like trying to discover on his own or whatever, you know, what are people are in different places. I think that that was one of the reasons why he never had Charlie on. But that's just my take.

Jack

I would also, I've also, and I've said this, and by the way, this isn't like out of like, you know, anything. I've also noticed that in general, he doesn't tend to have like, Trump supporters on. He's had like, like obviously JD and the president himself one time. But in, in general, if you're someone who's just really known as a public Trump supporter, like, ever, ever since you went to Spotify, you are not getting on. And obviously there's been episodes of people who were Trump supporters that he had scrubbed and you know, it's as from 2016-17 and, or whenever he made the jump over. And it's, it's, it's just been something that I've, I've always noted that, like, you can be an arch liberal, you can be Democrat, you can be a socialist, but you can be a neocon, but you cannot be maga.

Tyler

Yep.

Blake

Man.

Tyler

Which is really interesting. You know, it's like it's not balanced. There's no balance.

Jack

That's really not balanced. I mean, so. And that's why, that's what always grinded me about him not having Charlie on. Not that, you know, not from the religious perspective, but it's like who was more relevant of a. Of a pro Trump MAGA voice in 2024 than Charlie Kirk. Right. Or in certainly 2025, if you win the election and everybody knows that Charlie played this massive role. And like, just if you're running a podcast and you want to talk, you want to inform your viewers about what's going on in the world, wouldn't Charlie Kirk be the obvious person to sit down, have a two, three hour conversation? I'm just.

Blake

My controversial take is I don't know that I've ever found Rogan's podcast that good on its own merits. Like, he gets really good guests, and so sometimes those guests are going to say very interesting things, and it's very long, so you get a lot of content out of it. But I think Jack is right in the sense that he falls short in term in that specific thing. He should have had Charlie on and he just never did. And there's a lot of people he should have had on and he has the platform to do it. And we talk about podcasts and new media as a way to get around all the blockades that exist in our media. And I think he could execute a little bit better on that. I'm gonna say it.

Jack

Yeah.

Charlie Kirk

And by the way, I actually reached out to. I reached out to Rogan.

Jack

Have other people. He had Talarico on. You know, have. Have other people on, too. It's. Yeah.

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Blake

So that's how it is with them. We were gonna possibly do this as the last one, but I want to make sure that we get to it, and I think this is gonna be a very fun one. This is something I wanted to do a cup a couple weeks ago. So it's not 100% breaking news, but I think it's great. We need to talk about Canada, specifically. Canada's suffocating.

Charlie Kirk

Like Blake's favorite topic.

Blake

Yeah, Canada's suffocating. Need their. Their maid inducing. Need to be as liberal and woke as possible. Otherwise they're not a proper country. Jokes on them. They're never a proper country. And so I'm going to challenge each of you because I think this will be a fun game. I'm going to challenge each of you to pronounce the new names that Canada is giving to various entities in Western Canada. So let's put up. Let's put up number 13. So this was formerly a street in Vancouver in British Columbia. It was formerly Truch Street. And are you guys able to see this? If not, someone post it in Thought Crime so they can get a more up close visual of it.

Jack

You can.

Blake

You can see it on the white one there.

Charlie Kirk

Mason Street.

Blake

What's it. Yeah, so Trut street is officially renamed to all of that stuff there. Each of you, you're gonna make an attempt, and then we're going to play the actual pronunciation of it. Can you see that, Tyler?

Charlie Kirk

All right, Theta in there.

Blake

All right, now, Jack, your turn. Can you see it? Can you pronounce it?

Jack

Oh, man, oh, man, oh, man. All right, so I'm just gonna. I'm gonna spell this real quick. It says S X W M E O K E Y E M A S. That's theta.

Blake

E M. That's not even an O. That is a theta, which I think is a sound Also, you should note that the W is not a normal W. It's like an X exponent W for some reason.

Jack

Okay, so sex. Mooc I. Mossum Street.

Blake

Say it. Say it fast.

Charlie Kirk

You got to get that data.

Blake

Alrighty. All right, so we've got sex. Smooth guy. Awesome. We have whatever the heck Andrew said. Tyler, your turn.

Tyler

I think that S is. Is silent. Could be wrong. I can't. I can't.

Blake

The S is for silent.

Tyler

Man.

Blake

I hate living on the street.

Charlie Kirk

What street are you at?

Tyler

I'm trying to do the voice from what's his face from that 70s show.

Jack

Is that awesome? Is the end of it awesome? Like awesome? Like maybe like awesome.

Blake

All right.

Jack

Awesome street.

Blake

What language is it supposed to be? I believe it is in. It's one of the, like, bizarre coastal language. I believe it's a musqueam Indian band and they did it in their language. I've already heard it. So it'd be kind of cheating for me to make an attempt. Although I have mostly this awesome street.

Jack

Just say it.

Blake

Street. We'll go with that. All right.

Charlie Kirk

Yeah, just play the sound.

Blake

Alrighty. Let's play the sound. Let's play the sound for this street. That is number 14.

Tyler

Musqueam view street. That's a musk.

Blake

So this is for. Ignore the first one.

Tyler

So I was right. No, I was right. The S this time.

Blake

No, they were saying it was for.

Tyler

No, the S. The S with the little thing over the top of. Affects the letter.

Charlie Kirk

It's a. It's a whoosh.

Blake

It's like a.

Charlie Kirk

It's a whoosh.

Tyler

What?

Blake

So like the SXW is basically.

Tyler

I'm telling you, that sounds like. That sounds like older Fez from that 70s show.

Blake

All right, so we have. We have. Now we have our next one.

Jack

And we're not doing this. These are literally stone age languages. And we've moved past this stuff.

Blake

No, we have not. Because we have another one. This is a library in Canada. Throw up number 15. The B roll.

Tyler

Let's.

Blake

Let's make an attempt at this one. This one has the. Okay, you're gonna have to see. I'm gonna. I'm gonna paste the letters for it in. Thought crime thing. Because it's just a. It's an image of it. There. That is the so and so library. So I can't even read that.

Tyler

So far away.

Blake

Zwi the number seven. We zoom. XWA library.

Tyler

Can we. Can we zoom in at least?

Jack

That's a password.

Charlie Kirk

That's not a name.

Jack

That's a password.

Tyler

Hang on.

Blake

You're gonna say what?

Tyler

I have to go to the chat.

Charlie Kirk

Swiss squad.

Tyler

Swiss.

Blake

That's how you're saying.

Tyler

That's not even.

Jack

I'm just gonna do it with, like. I. I'm gonna do it.

Tyler

There's a seven in there.

Blake

Yeah, there's a seven in it. Seven in it.

Tyler

I feel like. I feel like I'm being tricked into saying, like, a really bad word in a foreign language right now.

Charlie Kirk

Are we gonna get. Are we gonna get these at the end of this? Are you gonna tell us you're just trolling us?

Tyler

I feel like I'm gonna get clipped up like I did with Taylor Swifties. Yeah, Swifties.

Blake

Justifiable.

Tyler

Or someone from like.

Blake

But you have to make your attempt. You have. They've made their attempt. You have to say how you're gonna say it now.

Tyler

I think I agree.

Jack

I'm just gonna.

Blake

I'm just gonna lean all in to their dumb spelling, and I'm gonna pronounce it Jweep seven. Squaw. Dweep seven. Squad. I'm just gonna pronounce out the seven. They put a stupid seven in it. We're gonna get seven.

Charlie Kirk

What's the reveal?

Blake

All righty.

Tyler

Where are you getting.

Charlie Kirk

What's the reveal there, though?

Blake

Shut up. I. I can pronounce it how I want. And we're gonna play. All right, this is someone pronouncing it in, like, an academic lecture. Let's play clip 16.

Charlie Kirk

Today's session is called Using Hui Hua's Research Guides.

Jack

What they are and how we use them.

Charlie Kirk

Research guides.

Jack

What they are and how we use them.

Tyler

That sounds like a bad word.

Blake

Jack got pretty close.

Tyler

This is a family.

Blake

It was a little more airy. I. But it was very close, I would say. All right, we have one last one.

Tyler

Sounds like a. That's. That sounds like an old lady.

Blake

We have. We have our last one. We have our last one. You can throw up 17. And it's that court, so it's got, like, a question mark in it. Throw up 17. S. B roll. And it's Nico Mat.

Charlie Kirk

Nico A. Oh, did they play already

Blake

or it was that Jack there.

Charlie Kirk

That was me. All right.

Blake

And you said Neuqua.

Jack

Matt says how to pronounce. Says how to pronounce it, though, right there.

Blake

Oh, are they blowing it? Oh, are they blowing it right there? Oh, that's too bad. Oh, well, let's hear it.

Charlie Kirk

I want to hear it anyway.

Blake

Alrighty. Well, we'll hear it anyway.

Jack

These guys. It's like Nashimash, you know?

Blake

What I'm saying Nashima. All right. I like Nashima. In fact, I think I prefer that to whatever the official one is. But let's hear what the official one is. 18 nuts. Amazed.

Charlie Kirk

Nuts.

Blake

Amazed.

Charlie Kirk

Nuts.

Blake

Amazed. It's really bothering. Where are they getting that? In the last one, it's like. It looks like matte, but they just add, like, not so much.

Tyler

They have a sickle. That's a sickle.

Blake

Sickle. It's like a question mark with no dot.

Jack

And you got your mats.

Blake

So we got. I've already forgotten how they said that first street name.

Charlie Kirk

Like, for those who've never hung out with Jack in private, he does this voice sometimes. It's great. This is like classic Jack.

Blake

Alrighty. I'm so glad we got to do that.

Tyler

Do not.

Jack

Canada is getting covered with Canadian and the first peoples of Canada.

Blake

The first nations of Canada. They're naming all these things that have sevens and sickles and embedded.

Charlie Kirk

I got an inquiry. I got an inquiry from somebody. I forget which outlet it was from, but it was like his turning point. Weighed in on the Albertan. I think they're doing some sort of vote.

Tyler

Yeah, they are.

Charlie Kirk

Break away from Canada. I was like, well, I've heard Tyler bring this. This up before. I mean, it's pretty conservative province as far as Canada goes, right?

Blake

Alberta.

Charlie Kirk

Crazy.

Blake

I'm.

Jack

Give me their number, and I will respond entirely in. In. In the first nations voice.

Charlie Kirk

Oh, boy.

Blake

I am convinced. People get hyped about this. But one, America's outline. America's outline as a country, like, if we had a silhouette would look really stupid. If we added Alberta, we have, like, yeah, we just have this big, dumb polygon jutting out of our nice American silhouette. So that would annoy me. And two, I am convinced, unfortunately, people talk about how it would be this, like, new red state. I'm convinced Alberta would be a blue state in US Politics. Because, remember, first of all, it's Canada. So they have multiple parties. So you have their conservative party nationally and then the Liberal Democrat party, and they have the Liberals, and they also have the Greens, and the Greens are getting a few percent. And if you suddenly just shove that into Republican Democrat US Politics, there are conservatives in Canada who would be Democrats in the US as is common in these countries. And so we'd have that. And I don't know. I'm just. I'm not confident about it.

Charlie Kirk

Blake, true or false? Canada is a little gay.

Blake

False. Canada is extremely gay.

Jack

I would say double false.

Charlie Kirk

There's your segue.

Jack

Canada does not exist.

Charlie Kirk

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Blake

Our next and final topic, which we're just hitting it. We're kind of, we're, we're just going to ask which of us is going to take the plunge and is going to watch the Odyssey. So we can discuss next week whether the Odyssey was actually good or not. And the answer is.

Jack

I haven't watched, I haven't watched Supergirl.

Blake

You haven't even watched Supergirl yet. Okay, well, Jack, take on Supergirl. I, I will confess this is barely even a discussion because I me, I am going to see the Odyssey. I've got to see the. They made a movie out of the Odyssey with like a 300 trillion dollar budget and I feel obliged to support a movie that is not Supergirl, that's not Marvel slobber.

Jack

Here's my one. They didn't pay for it. No, here's my, here's my one. My one take on the Odyssey is that it is not a film. It is a religious test for wokeness. You must accept this. Helen of Troy. Helen of Troy was not a blond haired, blue eyed maiden. Helen of Troy looked like this. You must not accept Achilles as the greatest warrior of all time. This is Achilles. You must accept this. What it is, is a religious test. And by the way, I've like in the uk been hearing people talk about how excited they are for it and like they, they're like honestly saying how much they think it's going to be this Great movie that just when I'm around folks not at like the CPAC and just like kind of around town coffee shop or whatever, we're like. And I'm like, they're serious. Like they, they're actually just going along with this religion because that's what it obviously is. It's so absurd. And it's obviously an item of religious faith. That's what it is. This is a religious test.

Charlie Kirk

I mean, I don't know if it's all that and everything. I. I mean, we should play that. Let's play the trailer. Let's play the trial. That part. Okay. So I agree. So with Ellen Page, like I don't even sign on or whatever. I thought this is going to be the, the trailer was going to come off differently. But let's play it and we can talk about on other side. What is that Zendaya or whatever? No, never mind.

Blake

Oh, they're. They're showing the trailer right now. I don't think we have the audio version, which is good because it's like a three minute trailer.

Charlie Kirk

Yes, we do.

Blake

Do we?

Charlie Kirk

I think we do. Okay. Yeah, we do have the audio version. It's. Hold on, I got it. We have it. I saw it in the chat. Nobody's bailing me out, so I'm just gonna. It's.

Jack

Oh, wait, no, they're saying it doesn't have audio.

Blake

No, it doesn't have audio. What we do have, we do have as the next best thing, something even better rapping about it. We have the actors rapping about the Odyssey. You guys want to watch that? That sounds more appropriate anyway.

Charlie Kirk

33

Jack

Telemachus, Penelope, Antinous, Odysseus, Telemachus, Penelope

Blake

and Helen of Odyssey Odyssey after the

Charlie Kirk

Iliad won the war. Yeah, I'm serious.

Jack

Odyssey, Odyssey Kitchen for Ithaca. Get past the picture.

Tyler

Peloponnesian peninsula Odyssey, Odyssey Mediterranean psych Out

Blake

of Cyclops and Crater his cranium Cersei

Tyler

is cursing them men into bicking bits

Blake

Gotta go on the road Head to

Jack

where Hades is Odysseus

Tyler

and Helen of

Blake

Joe could be Homer the way we

Jack

go over the story in six feet

Tyler

Call it whatever, so long as it's

Blake

this beat Sirens on sirens and suitors on suitors and Zilla Chary don't munch on the moors But Helen, Athena a

Charlie Kirk

help and generous Help me get home

Jack

to defeat that antenna was tell me

Charlie Kirk

a muse of that hero who's traveled so far and so wide and his

Jack

life came unraveled and tell me, muse

Tyler

of that hero who's Gotta be tired as hell.

Blake

All because of the Odyssey. Odysseus, Telemachus. I will say if that was like some sort of YouTube thing that someone made in 2002, 10 with like a. Like a low budget cartoon, I'd have dug it. But there's something different. When they got all of these $20 million for a bit part actors in this to show up and do that, didn't this felt.

Jack

That felt like a Saturday Night Live bit. That. That literally felt like a Saturday Night Live bit. But again, again, you. If you speak ill of this, if you say, how dare you put, you know, Lupita Nyong' o as the face that launched a thousand ships, then. Then you are a bigot.

Blake

You mean if you speak ill of this, Odysseus. I think that rhymes, Jack. It could be.

Jack

You think

Tyler

you could have it?

Jack

Oh, no, I'm doing it.

Charlie Kirk

No, no.

Jack

And I hate Christopher Nolan too.

Charlie Kirk

Oh, no. Why do you hate Christopher Nolan? I'm just curious.

Jack

Because he sucks, that's why.

Blake

I liked. I liked the Dark Knight.

Tyler

We had this whole conversation about all the good stuff,

Blake

but, like, I bet.

Jack

No, Okay. I did like Dunkirk. All right.

Charlie Kirk

I did like Dunkirk was good. Yeah. Anyways, I like $I. The big. So what's the bigger controversy here? What's the bigger controversy? Is it the fact that Helena Troy is black or that Ellen Page, Elliot Page, is in this film? Like the trans thing?

Blake

What annoys me about Ellen. I think what annoys me about Paige in the movie is there is literally a transgender character in the Odyssey.

Charlie Kirk

Really?

Blake

Yes, the sage Tyrese. No, you said. You said the sage Tiresias, who's like a fortune teller, sees the future. In the Odyssey, he is in the underworld. I believe he is a male who is turned into a woman by the God Apollo as punishment for something or other. And, like, they ask him questions about this. Like, that is an actual thing. In the poem that Tiresias, there was a man was turned into a woman. So, like, if you literally wanted to have a transgender character in your movie adaptation of an epic film, you actually could do it this time. And instead they had Elliot Page be this, like, Greek warrior who runs like a girl.

Charlie Kirk

Hold on, I'm gonna interject here. Doesn't Athena also disguise herself as a man for to travel with Telemachus? So this could have also been.

Jack

That's not the same as trans.

Charlie Kirk

That's.

Jack

None of these. None of these are the same as trans.

Charlie Kirk

It's a woman pretending to be a man.

Jack

Again, none of these are the same as Trans.

Charlie Kirk

Elliot. Elliot. Ellen Page had top surgery as these pictures. These. Very graphic.

Jack

Yeah, that's not like, that's not like just dressing up in like even when you do things.

Tyler

So gross.

Charlie Kirk

Yeah.

Tyler

It's so unfortunate, dude, because she was like a cute little girl. Remember Juno? Like, it was like. She was just like, she was.

Charlie Kirk

Juno was great.

Tyler

She was a cute.

Jack

Don't, don't.

Charlie Kirk

It was like a very pro life.

Jack

Bring that up. Like. Okay, don't. Don't bring that up because it hurts too much, Tyler. It hurts too much in my soul and in my heart and I. And don't do that.

Tyler

She was like an up and coming, like, actress.

Jack

The little song they play at the end and I just. It can't do it, man.

Tyler

I mean, they just ruined. I mean they ruined everybody. And you. You see how like. And again, Hollywood just does a lot of this to a lot of people. I mean, they're just. They're so screwed up and, you know, there's a reason for it and there's things that are there and it's, it's just, it's just unfortunately part of our culture in America now that's just, it's. Hollywood has just destroyed it makes.

Charlie Kirk

And, and it's so funny that we're all having this visceral reaction against it.

Jack

She's talked about being sexually abused in Hollywood as a teenager. So she, she had talked about literally being the victim of grooming and sexual abuse by men and a woman and, you know, a number of things. And so that it's, you know, it's, it's. It's something where it's just like, you know, like what, like what. What actually went on there. And this is, this is clearly just someone who's undergone a serious amount of trauma. And rather than like, like most people who undergo this, probably all that, you know, rather than actually help them deal with the, the issue that they have, they. They do this whole, you know what they call it the like, like, oh my gosh. What's the. What's. I'm super jet lagged over here.

Charlie Kirk

It's like, shout your abortion.

Jack

No, it's like when they validate your. Validate your. Your transgenderism and then sign off on everything and yeah, Libby Evans would kill me for not knowing it, but it's, it's, you know, when the gender affirming. Thank you. Gender affirming care. Gender affirming care. And as opposed to actually like trying to just help somebody who's obviously undergoing something pretty horrible.

Charlie Kirk

You know, I'm think I'm going to see it.

Blake

You're not gonna.

Charlie Kirk

Not immediately, I'm not. If everybody tells me it's so good, like, if Blake comes back and he's like, it was actually really good, like, I might go see it. But if Blake comes back and be like, yeah, I don't see it. I'm definitely not Damon.

Jack

Matt Damon as Odysseus actually isn't that bad of a casting. And I'm kind of surprised that I actually didn't realize that until I saw the trailer here because I'm like, oh, that's actually pretty good casting. You know? You know, it's just so much.

Charlie Kirk

So I'll wait for Blake.

Blake

It is just gonna annoy me. Like, I see it being 85% good and then it will just really annoy me that they did these. Completely unnecessary.

Jack

Yeah.

Blake

Like, you know, it's like if you watch.

Jack

If you.

Blake

Any movie where it's. If you. If you're watching some all time, like if they had Saving Private Ryan and then there was like one random scene where like a guy is rapping in it or something, it would be. You'd probably still like the movie. But everyone would go, why was there that one scene there? It just seemed really out of place and it brought the movie down a little bit.

Jack

Oh, man. I was. Someone just pops up and is like. It's like himmler Rommel.

Blake

Think of anyone else with Rommel there on the spot. But that's okay. It's okay.

Charlie Kirk

This has been fun. Blake. I. This is. This is what Blake needs to do with his life now. He needs to do bad movie reviews. And it's going to be his. It's going to be his spec. It's going to be his social media specialty where Blake does bad movie reviews. So that's next. But Blake, so. And on that note, Jack, take us home. Just like a dis.

Jack

Ladies and gentlemen, as always, go out there and commit more fought crime.

Blake

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