Mr. Beast

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Joe Rogan

It must be very easy to get people to do your show.

Mr. Beast

Well, I mean, yeah, Seeing how we give away millions of dollars, it's. Yeah, usually people are very excited about it. The actual. The only hard part for us is, you know, if it's a longer one, just the time off work, so. Because sometimes when we shoot, like, these games or stuff, you know, it can go for a month. But besides the work stuff, of course,

Joe Rogan

does other people that haven't been able to do the show because they couldn't get a month off work?

Mr. Beast

Oh, yeah, tons, of course. So we always have, like, even, like the day before, you know, sometimes people get cold feet. So if we're doing something with 100 people, we'll usually have 10 backups just because, you know, I would imagine that

Joe Rogan

the type of person that would do your show would have a job that they could quit.

Mr. Beast

Well, yeah, I mean, I guess it depends, right? Whether it's the YouTube channel where we're, you know, doing, you know, 100 families compete for $250,000, or it's Beast Games where they're competing for 5 million. The 5 million people are way more excited for some of the, you know, the YouTube videos. It's not as, like, grandiose or they're like, I don't know if I want to lose my job for a 1% chance of winning 250k. So.

Joe Rogan

Well, how many people. When you do Beast Games, how many people are competing?

Mr. Beast

So the newest season we just shot, we grabbed one person from every country on Earth, so. So it was around 2. Yeah. Which was actually pretty cool because you would put them in these, like, crazy games and you'd see how someone from, like, the Asian, you know, Pacific countries would react versus, like, someone in South America. And they play and think so differently because they have such different upbringing. So it was really cool.

Joe Rogan

Did you have to. I mean, you must have had to thoroughly vet these people, right? Make sure they're not insane. Make sure you don't have a serial killer.

Mr. Beast

We do the psych and background checks, of course. No.

Joe Rogan

How do you get that information if you're going. I mean, if you have. How many countries are there? First of all is 190.

Mr. Beast

We went off of whatever the Olympics do. So it's like something around 200. Yeah. Plus or minus a couple.

Joe Rogan

So some of them have to have some shitty infrastructure.

Mr. Beast

Oh, I mean, I think one of them has literally 40,000 people living in it. Like, it was. What is it? Not the something sea Islands, not the Cayman Islands, but some island country. And, yeah, I was like, wow. Like, my town, which has 100,000 people, is two and a half times the population of your country. Well, I was joking with the contestant because I was like, if you win the $5 million, you could technically give a $200 dividend to every single person in your country. Is like, it's that crazy. That's. That little people living there.

Joe Rogan

Wow.

Mr. Beast

Yeah.

Joe Rogan

That's the kind of country, like, I wonder if you could buy that country.

Mr. Beast

I mean, the GDP is probably, you know, a couple hundred million dollars. If I were to guess, like, someone

Joe Rogan

like Elon or something like that could probably Elon.

Mr. Beast

There's probably thousands of people in America that could. I mean, I feel bad. People from that country listening.

Joe Rogan

Well, we didn't say the country.

Mr. Beast

Okay, true. We're good.

Joe Rogan

We're good.

Mr. Beast

We didn't say it exactly. It's yours.

Joe Rogan

They should know what they are. They're a country of 40,000 people. That's just what it is. Nothing wrong with that. But it is weird how many countries there are. And if you've got a person from every country, what are the odds you're gonna get good data as to whether or not they're a criminal?

Mr. Beast

Well, that's why. I mean, if you saw, like, our budgets on what I have to spend on casting those people, it was ridiculous to be able to get them all. Because basically what we did is we grabbed multiple options for each country. And what I was worried about is that, like, the contestant from Blank country would suck, and then the country would be like, jimmy, you hate us, and you purposely picked this absolute moron. So we would pick two or three from each country, and then we let people from those countries vote on who should compete. So it wasn't even one. I had to get multiple from each. So I think I ended up spending over a million dollars just on, you know, aggregating and casting and background checks and everything and then putting it out there so people could vote on it. But that way, you know, whatever. Like, Georgia and Europe, if that guy's an absolute moron, it's on them. They picked them, you know? Right.

Joe Rogan

That's actually very smart.

Mr. Beast

Exactly.

Joe Rogan

How did you come up with the concept for this show? Like, what? First of all, how the fuck do you have time to do that show as well as do your YouTube show?

Mr. Beast

Yeah, I just don't sleep much during those. Cause, like, B scans basically is 30 days of just 18 hours a day filming. And so for people who might not have heard of it, it's essentially the largest cash prize of any show in the world. Season one, we had the most contestants of any show in the world and the largest sets of any show ever to exist. And I was just like, what if you take a reality show, but you just ramp everything up to the absolute maximum? And like, season one, we gave away $22 million just in one season. Great. And you, you know, some of the biggest game shows in the world right now give away $250,000. Like, we're giving away $2 million every episode. Yeah.

Joe Rogan

Look at that. That's wild. All those. That's so crazy. That set's amazing.

Mr. Beast

Yep. And then we build a city. And so also.

Joe Rogan

Holy shit.

Mr. Beast

My whole thesis behind it with this is, you know, when you watch these game shows or reality shows, there's a lot of takeaways. And, like, after the show, they'll put people in a room and they'll be like, hey, talk about what happened here. And it's like intercut.

Joe Rogan

And.

Mr. Beast

And I was like, well, what if we just have a thousand cameras and we just let people be themselves and we kind of just show it in real time? So we also, like, in season one, we broke the world record of most cameras ever used in any production of any movie show, anything, ever. So, like, this set right here, there's over 1200 cameras in there, and the most.

Joe Rogan

That room is so big.

Mr. Beast

Yeah, it's bigger than the football field. And so there's a thousand contestants. We have to have an A cam on all of them. So there's like a pole on each of their platforms on them. Plus there's hundreds of cameras in the roof and blah, blah. I think there's over 1200 here, which, outside of this, the most ever used for production was 400. So, like, I. I literally had to. And. And this might seem insane, but this is why I think the show appeals to quite a few people. Because normally in a show, they would have a story producer walk up to you, hold a camera, and be like, all right, you got three minutes. You're kind of the bad guy. Say roughly along these lines, almost basically put words in your mouth, and then they'd go like, person to person with, like, one camera, whereas I go on the microphone, I go say whatever the hell you want. We're recording you for the next 10 hours. I don't care. Right. And you all have a dedicated camera on you. So then instead of, like, putting words in people's mouths. They can just do whatever they want.

Joe Rogan

So do you have someone who actually has to go back and watch all that footage and edit it and then put it all out as a show?

Mr. Beast

Yeah, exactly. Well, this is why.

Joe Rogan

How many people do you have doing

Mr. Beast

your editing that season? Over 150 editors worked on it. Yeah.

Joe Rogan

Holy shit.

Mr. Beast

It's crazy. And that's obviously why people don't do it because it's like basically we had to spend millions of dollars in cameras. It was the world record for most cameras ever used, which then we also broke the world record for most camera cables used because it's 27 miles of camera cables brought the world record for the largest control room. Each of these is millions of dollars and you have to bring in millions of dollars of extra editors. And so next thing you know, you know to take it from 10 cameras where you just essentially put words in people's mouths, to unlimited cameras and they can do whatever you want. You can show who they actually are as opposed to what, what you think they should be right with the story producer. It costs a lot of money. It's a lot of effort and time, but it shows through in the final product because now, you know, you get more natural, like less scripted things when people are just themselves.

Joe Rogan

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Mr. Beast

No. So that's in Toronto, but it's basically an airport hangar. I mean, we spent months trying to figure out how we could make this. That also is like a thousand trapdoors, because every single one of those, the trapdoors open when they get eliminated. So that set alone was like $15 million. I mean, it was crazy. Thousands of people's time and stuff like that. It's actually when where we film bee scams is actually a pretty big deal because it creates so many local jobs for people.

Joe Rogan

Oh, I'm sure.

Mr. Beast

Yeah. Like there it was, like, pretty wild every time.

Joe Rogan

Can you say where you film it or you keep it on the road?

Mr. Beast

That one was Toronto, Canada. Okay, cool. And every time I'd walk around on set, people were loving it because even though we filmed for 30 days, there's months leading up to it and months after.

Joe Rogan

Sure.

Mr. Beast

It gives people, like, consistent work for six months, whereas, like, before, they're going project to project every week. But yeah, back on the. Going above and beyond. That's kind of my whole thing is like, why make content that isn't great? And we just ask ourselves, how do we make the best content possible as opposed to, you know, how do we make the most money possible? And when you just shockingly going with that approach, you just kind of make a lot of money. Yeah. And. Well, and also it's. I tell my team all the time, too, Like, a big difference between us and other media companies is, you know, usually, like, people at the top will always shoot down crazy ideas. Or tell you it's not possible. Like whenever you have, like these crazy brainstorming sessions, and I tell the team, technically, anything's possible. If as humans we really wanted to, we could technically blow up the moon with enough nukes. Now we're not going to do it because it's not worth the time and it's not worth spending the money. But you have to have that frame of mind. Everything's, for the most part, possible if you're willing to spend the time and spend the money. So before you do the work and just figure out what time it takes and how much money it costs, you can't say no to something because almost all the time, like, we filmed in the pyramids and I spent 100 hours living in the pyramids of Egypt. It was fucking awesome. And you know, for years, everyone's like, they're not going to let you, you know, live in the pyramids for a couple of days. Like, that's crazy. And I'm like, why not? Like, did you get a no from the, you know, the leader of Egypt? No. Then I'm like, well, technically it's possible, you know, and, and after years of, of talking with them and helping them understand that, you know, it's going to be more of an educational type video. And it's not like I'm not going to run up the pyramids and take my shirt off and be like a lunatic. It'll be really cool. Eventually they came around to it and they loved the video and it worked really well. And it's literally like I could go anywhere in the pyramids for 100 hours. I went all the way up to the top of the middle pyramid. We went underneath it. It was, it was really cool. And I tell my team, it's like, even some of my most veteran people, when we get these crazier ideas, their default reaction always is to go, I just don't think it's possible. And I go, look, it is. Sometimes it's just time and money and is it worth the effort?

Joe Rogan

The pyramid one must have been nuts.

Mr. Beast

Oh, it was crazy. It was one of my favorite videos.

Joe Rogan

Is that your first time ever being there?

Mr. Beast

Yeah, actually it was. And so that made it even more special because I was learning things at the same time as I was just walking around. And I'm going to be honest, it was like a year and a half ago and it's like all a little fuzzy because I was like, so tired. I was just walking around all night. But it was pretty crazy and surreal. And then going down into. What's that tomb called? Where you go down the ladder and like a couple hundred feet underneath the pyramid.

Joe Rogan

I don't know. Is that Osiris Shaft?

Mr. Beast

Yes, Osiris. Yeah. And then it was like flooded and swimming around under there. It was pretty wild. Yeah. Wow. I feel like you should do something like that.

Joe Rogan

100%. I need to go there. I've been talking about going there for years. I just. To me, it's just a time thing. My time is I. So many different jobs. It's not like one all consuming job. Like you have me. It's like commentary for the ufc, doing stand up comedy, doing the podcast, and also Married with Children. So, like, I have a lot of responsibilities, so it's tough to just jet off for a month, really. Ideally, if you're gonna go to Egypt, I feel like you should go for like 10 days. Yeah, I feel like at least 10.

Mr. Beast

Do you think the. Yeah, I feel like they maybe. Honestly, realistic, like five days you could do it. And like, I'm curious though, if they let you just like do a video where you walk around and go everywhere.

Joe Rogan

Because I wonder.

Mr. Beast

Yeah, you.

Joe Rogan

Because I've talked a lot of shit.

Mr. Beast

Exactly. So without saying it, I'm kind of implying I don't even know if they want you there.

Joe Rogan

Well, I never said anything bad about it. About. I just think that the people that run it have a very narrow minded perspective of how all that stuff was made. And I don't think they really know. And I think there's a lot of gatekeeping in terms of what the official narrative is. It's like how it was all made and who made it and what it's all about. That's why they're really hesitant to accept any alternative perspectives because they have a timeline and they attribute all this construction and there's a lot of evidence that that timeline doesn't make any sense. Did you check out the Sphinx?

Mr. Beast

Yeah. And you can, you know, you can go underneath it and go in that little room. Yeah.

Joe Rogan

Did you do that?

Mr. Beast

Yeah. Which. That's the stuff. I feel like it would mean even more if you did. You've talked to Dr. Zahi, right?

Joe Rogan

Yeah.

Mr. Beast

Did you have him on the show?

Joe Rogan

Yeah, yeah, I'm on the show.

Mr. Beast

Yeah. Okay, good. Yeah. And so he's obviously the guy, so you should just call him and see.

Joe Rogan

Yeah, I'd rather go somebody else.

Mr. Beast

I didn't listen to that episode.

Joe Rogan

I'd rather go hang out with one of the historians that I know.

Mr. Beast

Graham Hancock.

Joe Rogan

Yeah, Graham Hancock would be the perfect guy to go with. Yeah.

Mr. Beast

You and Graham Hancock walking around. Oh, boy. That there'd be some crazy stuff said.

Joe Rogan

Yeah. Well, whatever happened in that part of the world during that time frame is pretty spectacular. And it's kind of amazing that no one has ever achieved anything even remotely similar to it since.

Mr. Beast

Yeah.

Joe Rogan

And it's at least 4,500 years old. That's just a guess, though. They really don't know.

Mr. Beast

Yeah.

Joe Rogan

You know, it's a crazy place. The fact that you got to film a show there is nuts.

Mr. Beast

Yeah. I love how you call it a show, and to me it's just a YouTube video, but it's just funny.

Joe Rogan

It's a show.

Mr. Beast

Yeah, I know, of course. And it makes sense because you do stuff with the UFC and in year old, a lot of it's called shows.

Joe Rogan

But I mean, whatever it is, people are watching it.

Mr. Beast

Yeah, I know. It's just funny to me. I haven't heard it called that in years. But yeah, that one was crazy. And I mean, one thing that I'm really proud of, that we did for season three of Beast Games, which, like, in hindsight, I'm not even sure how we. This one we pulled off. So I want to see your reaction to this. So basically, the finale, where we have the $5 million, we have the final contestants, we filmed it in the Roman Coliseum.

Joe Rogan

Whoa.

Mr. Beast

Yeah. We crowned the winner of season three with the $5 million cash prize in the middle of the Roman Coliseum. Played the first game there in over a thousand years.

Joe Rogan

Wow. That's crazy.

Mr. Beast

I know. I'm so grateful. I, like, we just filmed that too, so I'm like, coming off the high and I just like. Like, it almost makes, like, gives me tears. Like, what we shot was so cool. We had like a live orchestra, like the top ring of there too. So, like, as the game got dramatic, we would have them, like, play louder music and stuff. It was like, so surreal. Like, there's multiple. Because I've done really crazy things in my life, but there's multiple moments during that where I'm just like looking around in the middle of the Coliseum as we're like filming the show, and I'm like. Like, this doesn't feel real. It was pretty wild.

Joe Rogan

It doesn't feel. I mean, I went just to visit a few years back and it didn't feel real. It's so strange to imagine, like, what, what that was like, you know, how many thousand years ago, what year were they doing the games in the Roman Coliseum?

Mr. Beast

I would guess 1900 years ago.

Joe Rogan

So, I mean, what the fuck was it like being in there while that was happening?

Mr. Beast

And imagine when they flood it and they'd have the ships, like, whoa. I know.

Joe Rogan

Crazy.

Mr. Beast

I know. It's just.

Joe Rogan

It's nuts that you could go walk around it and just try to understand, like, this used to be a place where people used to go to see people die.

Mr. Beast

Yeah.

Joe Rogan

You see people get hacked to death by swords. To see people get killed by lions. Like, what the fuck was.

Mr. Beast

Well, it's also interesting, too, because I did a lot of research, you know, before we filmed there. And it also did a good job of, you know, back then they had, like, the hierarchy and, like, noble people would sit at the bottom and the poor people be at the top. And it also played, like, a good role of, like, showcasing unity. Even though there are all these different people from all these different, you know, economic statuses, they would all be in the arena there, but also remind them where they are. And there's, like, so many political implications of it, too.

Joe Rogan

Yeah.

Mr. Beast

And so just everything about it, like

Joe Rogan

basketball games, courtside tickets.

Mr. Beast

I didn't even. I didn't even think about that. Yeah.

Joe Rogan

Jack Nicholson, courtside tickets, Famous people. Yeah, courtside tickets.

Mr. Beast

True.

Joe Rogan

Yeah. I mean, it's the same thing. I think in the Coliseum, though, that was the most dangerous seats because, like, there was a couple of incidents, I believe, when either a lion or a tiger leapt up and got a hold of some people.

Mr. Beast

Yeah, well, I didn't hear about that, but when I was walking around, you know, they would have the, you know, emperor, like, seat right there. And I was like, man, if I was a warrior, I could throw a spear at him. Like, this is like, this is a killer view. But, like, how did no one ever just kill this guy, you know?

Joe Rogan

Right.

Mr. Beast

It was. I was like. That's all I could think about. It's like, this is a little too close to the battlefield.

Joe Rogan

How close is it?

Mr. Beast

It was like whatever four rows up. It wasn't like anything too crazy, but, like, there's like, obviously walls when you're walking around, like little walls. So you can't just, you know, walk into the stand. So. So they're, like, kind of trapped in the arena, but it was definitely within spear throwing distance.

Joe Rogan

I wonder how long it took to build that place. Because when you're walking around, like, this is an epic piece of real estate. Like, you guys built, like, an insane structure, and they did it, you know, almost 2,000 years ago or whatever it was.

Mr. Beast

Yeah.

Joe Rogan

So it took eight years to build wow. From AD 72 to AD 80.

Mr. Beast

Yeah.

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Mr. Beast

Yeah, it's fascinating too, because I like to think of like something equivalent now would be like maybe Sofi Stadium. Like, that's such a beautiful, massive stadium. And I Wonder if like 2000 years from now, would that still be there? Right? Like Roman Colosseum is like relatively still intact. It's pretty crazy.

Joe Rogan

That's what's great was because it's made out of stone, all of our stuff, like cement will rot out. There's no way cement lasts a thousand years. All the glass, all the everything will just get absorbed back into the earth.

Mr. Beast

Dang.

Joe Rogan

Do you ever see that show? They had a show like, what was it on the History Channel or something like that, where it was after humans, I think it was called. And it essentially showed how long it would take for cities to completely be absorbed back into the earth. It's not that long. Yeah, it's not that long. No, it's like a few hundred years and there's nothing left.

Mr. Beast

Wow.

Joe Rogan

Yeah.

Mr. Beast

Actually seems like a good show.

Joe Rogan

Yeah, it was kind of Interesting. You know, it was a while ago, so it was probably like shitty AI. It was shitty cgi. They could probably do it really good now. Yeah, but I mean, if you go to Detroit, there's houses in Detroit now that have trees growing out of the, the, the basement of the house through the roof. Yeah, like they've, they've taken over the house and nature is slowly but surely absorbing the building. And then skyscrapers are a bigger endeavor, but they could still. Nature could still do it just takes enough time.

Mr. Beast

That makes me. Where my brain goes to is it makes me want to do a video where it's like, I bet you there's like a abandoned village or city that's been overgrown and like doing a video titled like Last Human on Earth simulation. And then like living there for a month or so and seeing what it's like that kind of like the Will Smith movie back in the day, right?

Joe Rogan

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Mr. Beast

That'd be so fascinating. Like to, or maybe do it like with a contestant. Like, hey, if you spend one month, you know, in this like isolated civilization, like, I'll give you a million dollars or something. And then seeing how they like, you know, use, you know, 100 year old buildings or something, I don't know, it's got my, my brain churning.

Joe Rogan

It's not a bad idea, like an I am legend type deal.

Mr. Beast

Yeah, but real unscripted.

Joe Rogan

Exactly right, Real unscripted. But then also hire people to be zombies and haunt these people.

Mr. Beast

You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan

Yeah, hire, Hire people, like CGI them up, scare the fuck out of people.

Mr. Beast

I've been wanting to do that for a while, but I always get like hung up on like, okay, I can make some real zombies, but the problem is like, how do they kill them? And then, you know.

Joe Rogan

Well, the other problem is what happens if you, if you're not telling these contestants that zombies are coming, you're just trying to get a reaction out of them. What if this guy thinks it's a real zombie and kills one of the people?

Mr. Beast

Yeah, well, we would tell. I would have to say it's a zombie simulation and you know, and then I'd have to set rules on, here's how you kill a zombie. You don't use a sword, you use this. And it's lame, which is why we never got around to it. But if there ever was a way, I do think that would be cool to like recreate a actual zombie apocalypse and like let someone try to live in for a week, because it'd just be cool because everyone's exposure to this is through scripted shows. Right. But to see someone, like, truly live in an unscripted one, where we build rundown gas stations and there's, like, food that, like, we would say this is set in the year 2060. So I'd have set designers and everything design it where it, like, only Laffy Taffy is still edible and stuff. And it was like a true recreation of it. I've always wanted to do stuff like that.

Joe Rogan

You could totally do that. There's a bunch of abandoned towns.

Mr. Beast

No, it's just the one thing we could never figure out is how does someone kill a zombie? And it's not lame, right? Because imagine with a Nerf sword hitting a zombie now. It's like, okay, this is fucking lame, you know?

Joe Rogan

Yeah, Maybe a paintball type deal.

Mr. Beast

Yeah, that's where our head goes. Because we're. We have a different video, similar thing. But the problem with paintball and airsoft is then you have to wear a mask, right? Because you want people to get shot in the face, obviously. And then it kind of kills it or.

Joe Rogan

Yeah. Unless the zombie masks. Where was the protection?

Mr. Beast

Yeah, we put it over top of the paintball mask. That's. That's poor. Poor actors. They're gonna.

Joe Rogan

Or you just have. Instead of like a regular paintball mask, have something that's just a hard structure that is like your. The shape of your face.

Mr. Beast

Exactly.

Joe Rogan

So you make a form fits to your face, and then, you know, you give them goggles, something clear so their eyes are protected, and then you do all the makeup on top of it.

Mr. Beast

Yeah, yeah. You know what? I should hit you up for these zombie things.

Joe Rogan

That actually would. There you go.

Mr. Beast

Yes, exactly.

Joe Rogan

That's perf. Perfect. That's an airsoft mask.

Mr. Beast

That. That. That'd be pretty cool. I mean.

Joe Rogan

Oh, dude, that's actually dope. Look at those masks. The. The half face zombie ones. Yeah, that's dope. Like, you could. That would be terrifying coming at you in the middle of the night.

Mr. Beast

I mean, hey, if anyone's listening. Wants to live in an abandoned town for 10 days while zombies try to kill you.

Joe Rogan

I think we're on to something now. Now that I saw those masks, I'm like, okay, I like it because that could be the zombies.

Mr. Beast

Well, where my head goes. Because the videos are so big, right? This is probably a 5, $10 million project. Probably would build this abandoned city do. I am the last man on the planet, and it's like me there for some time, and then afterwards, like a couple of months, like Film. Then right afterwards, film a video where I give someone $1 million. They live there for 10 days, but they have to fend off zombies with their friends. And then we reuse the set location. Because if I'm going to completely set deck of basically a whole city, oh my gosh, that's going to be a monster. But yeah, if I did both those back to back, that actually be pretty, pretty gnarly and worth the effort.

Joe Rogan

I think I like the idea now. Yeah. Now that I see those masks and I think about like paintball or something along those lines.

Mr. Beast

Well, what I'm picturing too is like, ideally we can find a city with a skyscraper because I want like someone with the long lens pointed down of like someone picture them on a street, it's pitch black and they have like a fire and it's them and their three friends. And you know, then they hear noise and zombies and stuff. Like those shots would be so beautiful like that. I mean, that would probably be one of the most beautiful videos ever. And I'm picturing we put like vines like on all the buildings and stuff too. So.

Joe Rogan

Well, if you wanted no one around, it's going to be hard because you're gonna have to do in an abandoned place.

Mr. Beast

Exactly.

Joe Rogan

And you're not going to get an abandoned skyscraper.

Mr. Beast

Maybe.

Joe Rogan

So unless you're in Detroit.

Mr. Beast

Well, we also. It doesn't have to be in the US we did a video seven days in an abandoned city where there's like some place in Europe where there was a city that was like war torn and stuff like that. And it had like hotels and tall buildings and everything. It was pretty, pretty wild. So. Really? Yeah.

Joe Rogan

And there's no one in it.

Mr. Beast

No, no one in it, but like tourists go there or whatever. But they let us close it off for a week. It was pretty crazy.

Joe Rogan

Well, that's the place then.

Mr. Beast

Yeah. I just wonder if they'll, you know, it's a little bit of history there, so I doubt they'll let me go in and like set deck everything. Like crazy. But.

Joe Rogan

And also paintball everything.

Mr. Beast

Exactly. Yeah. Well, with those maps we could do airsoft, which would be maybe even easier. Well, actually, no, the problem with airsoft then is the trust system. You don't know if they got hit. So paintball is probably more effective.

Joe Rogan

Yeah, you need paintball. Yeah, you need paintball. And it needs to look good when it splatters against them.

Mr. Beast

Just, you know, if someone on my team is watching this, just clip the last 10 minutes of this and send it to the Creative team. I got you guys. I believe in you.

Joe Rogan

Is there another way to kill a zombie other than paintball? That would be wild. Like, is there something else?

Mr. Beast

Well, one thing we've been working on, because we're. We. I've always wanted to, like, do Hunger Games in real life as well as. So, like, these, like, suits where you could, you know, electronic, like, laser tag where you could just shoot and. And then it just, like, lights up.

Joe Rogan

So what about shotguns with bean bags? You know, because they use those for people to, like, take out. Like, when the non lethal loads, you know, they have, like, beanbags that they shoot out of a shotgun.

Mr. Beast

The question I wouldn't need is, like, if I shot you with it, like, three feet away, would you still be fine? I guess you could probably adjust the pressure and stuff where it's not.

Joe Rogan

Not really. Okay, well, I mean, you could, but you couldn't bury it.

Mr. Beast

See, this isn't Fear factor. This is Mr. Beast.

Joe Rogan

I understand, but it's a gray line.

Mr. Beast

You know, it's so funny. I need to give you a blunt and let you just help me click on this video. I can see this.

Joe Rogan

There's something there. You just have to figure out an exciting way to kill them where it doesn't actually hurt the stunt people or whoever's wearing the masks. Whoever pretends to be a zombie. It would have to be something. I was thinking light him on fire, but that's.

Mr. Beast

Could you pull up the Seven Days Abandoned City video and just skip to some random part? I'd love for him to see, like, the. Like, how it looks. Because that. With what you're picturing, and that really would be something you can't find anywhere else. And that's what, like, gets me excited, is when it's content, you can't find anywhere else. That's typically, you know, a huge indicator that if it's done well, people like it.

Joe Rogan

Have you seen the show from.

Mr. Beast

From. I don't think so now.

Joe Rogan

It's great, great show, but it's about these.

Mr. Beast

Look at that shot. Posit right there. Like, our. So that's just one random building. But you can maybe go to the intro or something if you want to Just show them, like. Yeah, this whole place. Like, look at these building.

Joe Rogan

Oh, my God, this is perfect.

Mr. Beast

Yeah. And then, like. Yeah, if you pause it there, those are all the buildings in the city. I mean.

Joe Rogan

Oh, dude, this is the spot. Listen, the show starts at sundown every night, okay? As soon as the sun goes down, that's when the games begin. Nothing Happens until it gets dark out. Everything is in the dark and these people have no idea when it's going to happen, when they're going to get hit. And so they try to get their sleep whenever they can. But you keep them awake during the day with tasks, you keep them away. So during the day they. They have all sorts of materials, they have supplies, they have all sorts of things. And they have to figure out how to protect themselves, how to develop shelter, alarm systems for when the zombies are close. They give them really. Yeah, give them time to like figure out stuff to do to keep the zombies away and a limited amount of materials that they can work with and just let these people get creative in their ingenuity. But then you keep. So they'll be busy during the day, so they're not going to be able to sleep. So at nighttime when it gets dark out.

Mr. Beast

Yeah.

Joe Rogan

Then they don't know when it's going to hit. So you have these people sitting around and it might be 7pm, 8pm, 9pm and then 3 in the morning, shit

Mr. Beast

starts come in and they got to shoot them all paintball.

Joe Rogan

And they're creeping in. Yeah, like they're creeping in.

Mr. Beast

Bro, you're getting me excited. I mean, it would be so fucking cool to like let them build a structure or something. And then like in I'm Legend where he has to point the lights because they hate lights. But like at nighttime, like they'll have to. We can hide lights throughout the city that they'd have to collect and then set up so they have good vision around their fort and everything. And then they have like, you know, cycles where they take turns watching and stuff. And then we only send the zombies out theoretically at night or whatever the structure would be. So they have chill time. Or Maybe every night 40 zombies are unleashed. And then so they're like, they shot like 35 of them, but they're like, oh shit, there's five hitting around the city. So that day while they're walking around, they're like on edge. And the tension throughout the day would be phenomenal. Yeah, there's so many cool ways to do it.

Joe Rogan

And, you know, you don't have to tell them that the zombies are only going to come out at night. Yeah, just have it that way.

Mr. Beast

We need to stop talking about this because I'm going to leave and go film it right now. I'm fighting the urge to go call my team.

Joe Rogan

Also with the zombies, they can come out in the daytime. These people don't know because they never do it.

Mr. Beast

True like, five days. It's only at night.

Joe Rogan

Yeah.

Mr. Beast

And then day six.

Joe Rogan

Exactly. So some people get snatched up in the middle of their house.

Mr. Beast

Oh, we used before as gel blaster. It's almost like airsoft, but it doesn't hurt as bad. Oh. It shoots water. And these vests that they have set up are sensors, so you can almost. Like, what you're saying, it's like VR laser tag.

Joe Rogan

So it lights up when you hit it.

Mr. Beast

Yeah. And there's like, a little talking system that says, like, you have this many shots left, you have this much energy.

Joe Rogan

We see a video.

Mr. Beast

Yeah.

Joe Rogan

Is this a video?

Mr. Beast

We did this at night at somebody's house.

Joe Rogan

Oh, you did?

Mr. Beast

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan

When did you do this?

Mr. Beast

A couple months ago.

Joe Rogan

Oh, nice.

Mr. Beast

I don't. Oh. Ah, wait. Actually, now you bad music. But you pointed out I have seen, like, Nerf gel blasters. I actually never thought of that. So that's. I mean, you could just redo the set, the suit, so that it makes sense. Yeah. And then reskin the guns, because those look a little lame, but. Yeah, that would be.

Joe Rogan

It's kind of lame.

Mr. Beast

It already exists. Yeah.

Joe Rogan

I kind of like shotguns with beanbags.

Mr. Beast

I think.

Joe Rogan

Let's.

Mr. Beast

We all can easily picture the aesthetic you're looking for. I got to. I have to find the blend between Joe's, like, recreation of this video and, like, what I could actually do. But there I actually am more inspired than ever. I think it's very doable.

Joe Rogan

It's very doable. You just have to figure out a way to make it exciting. But still not hurt anybody.

Mr. Beast

Exactly.

Joe Rogan

You know, that's really not hurt. The zombies. You'd have to, like, armor these people up somehow.

Mr. Beast

I mean. Well, the thing too, is, like, you know, one way. One thing that would help is, like, if the zombies were ex Navy SEALs or something.

Joe Rogan

Yeah.

Mr. Beast

Then it's a little different than if they're like, typical Hollywood actors and things like that, which. So I've learned for, like, some of these other things, like, it's also who you cast to do it. Like, you know, the Navy. If it was like, Navy SEALS dressed up as zombies and I paid them all, you know, they wouldn't care.

Joe Rogan

It also, it could. Well, it could be like a zombie army. Like an army. Some. Some army somewhere got taken over and turned into zombies. And those are the people you're fighting against. So you could. You could put them with, like, plate carriers on and, you know.

Mr. Beast

Yeah.

Joe Rogan

You. You could armor them up a little bit so they could take some hits,

Mr. Beast

have Some lore behind it.

Joe Rogan

Yeah, it would make sense, too.

Mr. Beast

I. Bro, I'm sold. I just gotta find an abandoned city,

Joe Rogan

give them glowing eyes. That's the only way, you know, this

Mr. Beast

whole podcast is gonna be Joe helping me figure out to do zombies.

Joe Rogan

Dude, it would be fucking terrifying. Imagine there's people that are in, like, this city. There's no lights, there's no electricity. And then at nighttime, it goes dark. And maybe they have flashlights, but each flashlight only has, like, one hour of battery life. And so you have to, like, judiciously use that flashlight throughout the evening, shine it, shut it up, you know, so you give, like, a little extra tension that the flashlight's going to die. Because you only have one hour of flashlight battery.

Mr. Beast

Yeah.

Joe Rogan

And then you see these red eyes, like, you give them, like, a slightly glowing red eye.

Mr. Beast

Yeah.

Joe Rogan

And that's how you can find the zombies.

Mr. Beast

That would be cool.

Joe Rogan

And so you just look out into the woods.

Mr. Beast

Yeah, I can see the fucking eyes, man. You see the eyes? That would be crazy.

Joe Rogan

Yeah.

Mr. Beast

And the other thing too would be because I go to, like, how do we execute it? We could do it too, where, like, there's, like, every day at, like, a certain period, we pull off all the dead zombies, which are humans, and we just swap them with, like, I could have recreated versions of them there. So there's, like, actual zombie bodies, like, piling up and things like that. So as the video progresses, they're, like, literally stepping over, like, mannequins that are set decked identically how the people were. So when they die, and then they're just, like, literally stepping on zombies as they go building to building. That'd be crazy.

Joe Rogan

That would be crazy.

Mr. Beast

And actually, because if I put a

Joe Rogan

million chalk outlines around the zombies so you can identify the fact that this one's a dead zombie or.

Mr. Beast

No, don't.

Joe Rogan

Screw it.

Mr. Beast

Let that be the fun part. But then if we put a crazy prize on it, we could. Do you only get the prize? Or maybe the prize is split amongst everyone who survives the whole 10 days or whatever. And then it's like to really build up, like, this crescendo at the end. We can have it where the final day, there's a massive invasion coming or something. So it's like the whole time, what if, like, every day, more and more camp. So day one it was 10, day two is 20, and then 50, and then I'm like, you know, we're going to have 400 zombies come on the final day. So the whole video, they're prepping for this, like, Game of Thrones type invasion.

Joe Rogan

Not only that, but the people that get killed by the zombie, we think they're out of the game, but they actually become zombies. So when you think you won at the end, now the final game, as you're competing against the zombies. The zombies who can't win because they're already dead, but they can make you lose.

Mr. Beast

Yeah. And they know you're for it. You know what actually be even crazier is if instead of, well, you know, maybe we have Navy seals as the zombies. But also, what if the contestants are, like, ex Navy seals too? So they have, like, real strategy and stuff like that. That would be cool.

Joe Rogan

Just get the most badass people that you can get for this zombie thing. Like survivalists, Martial artist.

Mr. Beast

Exactly. Yeah.

Joe Rogan

Yeah, that would be crazy, dude.

Mr. Beast

Actually, that's not bad. Like, you know, a UFC champion, Navy Seal, like Taekwondo, blah, blah, blah. And it's like, all right, what happens if you put six experts in different fields together and simulate a real zombie apocalypse? You have 50 acres of this abandoned city sealed off. We set decked it all, and every day a wave of zombie that gets bigger and bigger until the big crescendo at the end hits. And if you survive it all, you split a million dollars.

Joe Rogan

I think the really difficult challenge is figuring out a way to kill zombies. That's not lame exactly. And doesn't hurt anybody. Actually doesn't kill people.

Mr. Beast

I love how that's your second thought process, but. Of course.

Joe Rogan

But it has to, because if you're hitting them, even with the gel soft, it looks kind of cool, but it's like, pew, pew, pew, pew, pew, pew. No, it's got to be ba bang.

Mr. Beast

And I could add those sounds and post, but we're big fans of practical, so I'd have my team take apart the guns and see if there's some way they can make it even though it's shooting the gel. Like, make go bang, bang, and then add, like, the effects and. And we'd have to reskin the guns to look like real guns.

Joe Rogan

And it would have to be some. It doesn't have to look like real guns because it could be a gun from the future, you know, because that's lame.

Mr. Beast

When you think of zombie apocalypse, you think it has to look like a gun that they grab from some dude. Say it. That they found in a house. Right. That's what a zombie apocalypse is to me.

Joe Rogan

Yeah, I guess.

Mr. Beast

Yeah.

Joe Rogan

Yeah. So it would have to look like a real gun. So that's why I Like the shotguns with the beanbags. And also with a shotgun, like you're only going to get so many shells like you like. As long as you don't have one of those big like Terran tactical ones that has actually a magazine, it can hold like 15 rounds if you can. I think a regular shotgun, like a Benelli. What can you put? How many shells can you put in one of those? I think six. I think maybe six. Something like that is good too. You have a limited amount of bullets and reloading is hard. We just got to find out like maybe if it was like 20 gauge, maybe it was like 20 gauge shotgun. Like bird shot with, with a beanbag. Maybe that wouldn't fuck people up, but it would make a big bang.

Mr. Beast

Yeah.

Joe Rogan

And you'd be hitting them. And if you could find a way to light up wherever they got hit. Like if you could put them in some sort of a suit where when they get hit there's like gel packs.

Mr. Beast

No way you can shoot shotguns at people. Yeah. There's just not a real one.

Joe Rogan

You're so wrong.

Mr. Beast

He's living in his utopia. Seen his eyes light up like this in years. Let him like a gun at a person.

Joe Rogan

Okay, well, I don't know a lot about shotguns, so let's find out.

Mr. Beast

I'm never going to have someone point a real shotgun at someone else, but. Yeah, yeah, you will.

Joe Rogan

Trust me. We're going to, we're going to work this out.

Mr. Beast

Oh, you want, you want to help? Code direct.

Joe Rogan

I'm going to help.

Mr. Beast

Yeah. You'll actually see in like the background. One shot Joe, Just like this. He's like, yeah, it's like the Navy seals are fighting off the zombie pocket.

Joe Rogan

I'm going to be one zombie one night. He's like, sneak in.

Mr. Beast

Everyone's like, who's that bald guy over there? That's just like. Yeah. Shotgun damage on a zombie. You have to blow their head off. Right. How would you. Oh God. He's going to be talking about hit damage for 20 minutes.

Joe Rogan

Well, it depends on what kind of zombie. Like Walking Dead. Zombies are so stupid. You get stabbed in the head with a pencil and they die. Remember it was just going through the head. Cuz they would shoot him with those crossbows and like crossbow wouldn't even kill a person. Like with those field tips. They're using field tips. This is basically like a pencil going through you. It's not like a broadhead. Like if you shot an animal with a, with a crossbow, you would use a broadhead which Is a big sharp blade that cuts a giant channel through an animal. What those things are using is target points. Like that dude in Walking dead would drive me nuts because he would shoot him in the head. It would just stick in their head and then they'd be dead.

Mr. Beast

It's so funny because.

Joe Rogan

Get the out of here.

Mr. Beast

I watched the same thing and I'm like, oh, that's cool. Different audience.

Joe Rogan

Well, it's just all it takes is like one arrow to go into your head and you're dead if you're a zombie.

Mr. Beast

Yeah, totally. One arrow.

Joe Rogan

F. This is nonsense.

Mr. Beast

Yeah, right, Guys, watch. Yeah. One arrow in the head, you'd be. Yeah, you wouldn't die.

Joe Rogan

The thing is, people have lived. Humans have lived through arrows through the head like that. Accidentally gotten shot in the head with a bow and arrow with a field tip and lived. Cause it basically just. It's like a pencil going through your head.

Mr. Beast

Really.

Joe Rogan

The way people die from an arrow is hemorrhage. You die from massive hemorrhage. And it's usually cause there's a blade. So like this, like this is what the native Americans used to use.

Mr. Beast

But that.

Joe Rogan

That's blood. This is actual. Yes, that's an actual arrowhead. But the thing about this is when it's attached to a stick, this is cutting. So it's causing hemorrhage inside the body. The little field tip doesn't do that.

Mr. Beast

And the field tip wouldn't puncture enough veins where you just bleed to death.

Joe Rogan

Maybe, but most likely not. I mean, if it went through your heart, yeah, you'd be dead. But if it just goes through like this side of your lungs and pokes out your back, you'll live.

Mr. Beast

Wow.

Joe Rogan

Yeah.

Mr. Beast

Would you want to live?

Joe Rogan

You would be in pain. It would suck. Yeah, it would certainly suck. But it's not like getting hit with a broadhead. My point is. I don't remember my point, but if I had a point, gotta be a level of shotgun. That's the. What is the lowest powered shotgun available? It's not a. I. I know 20 gauge is light. I've used those before for like shooting clay pigeons. And I've used 12 gauges. You don't want to get hit with a 12 gauge, even if it's a beanbag.

Mr. Beast

Smallest gauge equivalent to a 67 gauge shotgun.

Joe Rogan

Oh, there we go. Now we're talking. That's a ass round.

Mr. Beast

Oh, God.

Joe Rogan

Let's see what that looks like. Shoot a. Let's. Let's see what a 410 gauge shotgun or 67 gauge shotgun looks like when they shoot it.

Mr. Beast

Double gun. That looks like it's gonna still hurt.

Joe Rogan

No, no, no, you'll be fine.

Mr. Beast

Okay. Can I test it on you?

Joe Rogan

Yeah, yeah. Just give me a plate carrier and if you're gonna use a bean bag. Yeah, because that's what I'm thinking. Like if you have a chest plate, you know, so a plate carrier is bulletproof. Yeah, but what are you gonna hit?

Mr. Beast

Everything.

Joe Rogan

You'll cover up. You'll cover up the shoulders and the arms. You give them like military style armor, like body armor. Because it's not a. It's not. None of this is gonna penetrate. So if it's a bean bag round, what it is is just like. It's basically a bag that's gonna like.

Mr. Beast

Yeah.

Joe Rogan

Shoot out of the shotgun and blast you. But I don't. They're not lethal. Let me see what it looks like.

Mr. Beast

I don't know which one.

Joe Rogan

Just go to a video. Just go to a video of lowest powered shotgun. That's weird looking. That's cool. That one looks cool.

Mr. Beast

That's not exactly what. That's a revolver shot.

Joe Rogan

Yeah, that's dope. I've never seen one of those before. It says. Interesting.

Mr. Beast

Yeah, the title. That's smallest but deadliest.

Joe Rogan

Yeah, I think it's smallest in terms of like the size of it. Not. Not the round itself.

Mr. Beast

Yeah, this isn't. I did ask for lowest powered, but it's. That's not what people want to click on videos.

Joe Rogan

I know.

Mr. Beast

I feel like most people who buy shotguns are looking for shotguns that don't.

Joe Rogan

Well, how about this? Look up 67 gauge shotgun.

Mr. Beast

I had done that here.

Joe Rogan

And does it show you a video of that? Okay, let's see what it says. Let me see what it looks like when it's shooting.

Mr. Beast

This is 12 gauge.

Joe Rogan

Oh, that's a big.

Mr. Beast

Yeah, that's. I'm trying to. Yeah, they're like modified 12 gauges.

Joe Rogan

That's a lot.

Mr. Beast

I just don't get what the point. The shotgun isn't gonna kill a zombie.

Joe Rogan

Yeah, but it could in this game. Jamie.

Mr. Beast

I know you have to get so close to get a fucking headshot or whatever. It's more fun to like get snipers

Joe Rogan

and grenades and I don't know if you have to use headshots. This little kid's gonna shoot a shotgun.

Mr. Beast

Yes.

Joe Rogan

So that. Okay, let me see. Can you give me some volume? Let me hear this. Put back that up a little bit. Yeah, that's what we need. We need that kind of Shotgun with, like, a beanbag round or a rock salt.

Mr. Beast

I got it. The team, they're listening. They're on it.

Joe Rogan

Yeah. Something where it makes an impact. There's a sound like a gun going off, but you can't really kill anybody with it. Yeah, this is totally possible, dude. You'd have to have, like, very strict safety protocols in the set, though, because one of the things when I was in. When I first moved to LA in, like, 1994, there was a guy that a friend of mine actually knew who was an actor who was on a set, who took a gun that had a blank in it and thought it'd be funny to just put the thing to his head and pull the trigger. And he didn't realize that just the actual air coming out of the gun, if you put it right to your head is lethal. And he blew his brains out.

Mr. Beast

Oh, my gosh.

Joe Rogan

Yeah. With a blank. He just didn't.

Mr. Beast

I mean. Or like the Alec Baldwin situation. Yeah.

Joe Rogan

That was actually probably negligence because it seems like. It seems like there was an error where they were using, like, real rounds, and then they would take the same guns that would use, like, real rounds on a range and then take the same guns and bring them to set, and they didn't clear everything. So I don't know who's responsible for that. I don't know what ultimately came out of that, but you're never supposed to point a gun, even if it's not loaded. You're never supposed to point a gun at someone ever. In movies now, like, if you were.

Mr. Beast

You know, I'm, like, so hesitant to this whole shotgun thing. Welcome back to reality, Joe. We're gonna be fine.

Joe Rogan

In movies, you're supposed to, like, if I was shooting at you in a movie, I'm really supposed to shoot over here.

Mr. Beast

Yeah.

Joe Rogan

And I think that came out of the movie the Crowd, because Bruce Lee's son died. Because there was something that was in the gun itself. It wasn't even a bullet that killed him. It was like there was a particle or something that hit him from the blank.

Mr. Beast

When there's effects in CG and everything's so good now, too. Like, you probably don't even have to put a blank in there. You just overlay the sound effect and, I mean, put the effect in. No one would even be able to tell sometimes, too.

Joe Rogan

That's true. But you want something that's scary for the actual people and the recoil and stuff.

Mr. Beast

Yeah.

Joe Rogan

So it's more real, like a really light shotgun.

Mr. Beast

And I guess even if you Know, it's a blank. Like having a gun pointed at you as an actor makes you, you know, feel more in this situation too, probably.

Joe Rogan

Well, just rock salt. If you have a really light shotgun, even if it's a 20 gauge with rock salt, it would suck, it would sting. But if you've got these guys all protected and you could find a way where when it hits them, like you have gel packs on them or something.

Mr. Beast

Yeah.

Joe Rogan

So if you have them all, they're in like these like tattered looking white outfits. Right. And when you hit them, there's red gel packs underneath and they splatter.

Mr. Beast

Yeah.

Joe Rogan

And you could, you know, if you get a direct.

Mr. Beast

We did something similar when we recreated squid games. We put like squibs on them when they got eliminated and blew up. And so, yeah, you'd put like little squibs and then when the sensors went off, it would just. And the liquid would go across their body.

Joe Rogan

Yeah. So you could do that. So if you do that, actually, you could have blanks and maybe a laser sight.

Mr. Beast

Exactly. That's where we went with the Hunger Games stuff, is laser tag. And then it would just trigger squibs if you pointed at them. And then maybe in post, like, we'd have a track where the trajectory of where the bullets were. And we could just overlay, like the lasers or whatever in post so you could visually see it. But obviously in the time you were actually filming, practically, it would just be, you know, invisible. You just know if you got hit, if your suit lit up and it

Joe Rogan

seems like you could sync up a laser tag with an actual blank round so you can make the boom and then the laser actually hits the person at the same time.

Mr. Beast

Okay, right. Yeah.

Joe Rogan

That wouldn't be hard to do because if you have lasers, you have guns that shoot lasers. That's what laser tag is. That's a pretty simple mechanism. All you would do is have like sort of a dual trigger setup where you have, as you pull the trigger back, you get the explosion from the round going off and you also get the laser at the same time. So the squibs go off, you say the boom and then the squibs go off and you have it all coordinated together. And then it looks wild. And so then you have these zombies. Boom. You shoot them, you see splatter all over the chest.

Mr. Beast

Yeah. The only other thing we have to figure out is where is this going? Because if it's going on my YouTube channel, we don't usually show gore, so we might have to hit up Amazon. Yeah. Where we used to put Fear factor and stuff because that definitely seems like a more. It's going from like, we're usually family friendly to now this is very rated

Joe Rogan

R, but it's not family friendly because you're killing zombies.

Mr. Beast

Well, we. Yeah, you, you know if something's family friendly or not. If you say eliminated instead of killing. So yeah, if you're eliminating zombies, that's family friendly. If you're killing zombies.

Joe Rogan

No, no, that's rated R. Well, they're already dead, so you're eliminating them.

Mr. Beast

See, now we're back and like, you can tell if like a shows like for 18 plus or like 13 plus, if like before they, they shoot the person or whatever, if it cuts away. Right. And like, there's all these little things. Not that we could be if some streaming platform was like, yo, here's whatever, whatever, blank check, just make it happen.

Joe Rogan

Oh, Amazon should do it. They need people over there anyway.

Mr. Beast

Yeah. Or I mean, really, Even Netflix, Anyone?

Joe Rogan

Really?

Mr. Beast

Like, it's. It's the biggest no brainer in the history of ever. Like, actually the fact that no one's recreated this is kind of absurd when you think about it. But it's also like, if traditional, you know, independent of like the shotgun stuff, you're talking about, like a traditional people with traditional worldviews did this, it'd be so stringent and structured and stuff like that. Whereas, like, we, if we did it with like the Beast Games mindset, where it's just like there's cameras everywhere. They can truly do whatever the hell they want. And it's not like this like, guarded thing and it's an actual abandoned city. Oh my gosh, it would go crazy.

Joe Rogan

Now we need a task. We need a goal.

Mr. Beast

The goal would be survival, right?

Joe Rogan

But maybe survival while you're trying to accomplish something.

Mr. Beast

Okay, well then this is like a mechanism that usually would work well is the. The tasks every day will grow the prize pool. And if it's on a streaming platform, then the prize pool could be crazy, right? It doesn't have to be a million dollars. It could grow to 10 million, theoretically, if they weren't being cheap. And so then it could be like every day, if you complete the task, I put a million dollars in the prize pool. Each episode's one whole day. It's 10 episodes, 10 days. And so they could technically grow the prize for $10 million. You put some like, you know, the UFC people and like, you know, Navy Seals and like these hardcore people, and you tell them, like, they could potentially share $10 million but they would be trying their butts off those 10 days. The footage would be crazy. I mean, they would. They would probably be, like, practicing during the day, like, their rotations and everything on, like, holding off zombies. It would be really cool.

Joe Rogan

Yeah. They would run training routes.

Mr. Beast

Exactly.

Joe Rogan

You know, it's really interesting. We'd have to figure out how the zombies get them because you don't want physical conflict between the stunt people, the zombie people, and the contestants. You don't want to actually fight.

Mr. Beast

Exactly.

Joe Rogan

Right. So, like, you would have to have

Mr. Beast

rules as to what it would probably be in. My default intuition is if the zombie just purely touches you, then you're just dead. Like, we wouldn't be able to take it any further than that, you know? But if they, like.

Joe Rogan

Right. Like, 28 days later, zombies, all they have to do is, like, scratch you.

Mr. Beast

Yeah. Or breathe in front of you. Yeah, exactly. But in this case, if they touch you that way, it's not like the Navy seal, like, pushing and flipping them off. Like, because if you went to push them or touch them, then you'd be out, so people be keeping their distance. But even then, it'd get pretty crazy if they're like. Because they're. Obviously, they would run and there'd be chase scenes and stuff. So, honestly, like, I know some great stunt choreographers, like Ken and a bunch of other people. I would just call them and be like, yo, how do I do this? And they'd probably be like, oh, here's how I would do it, or whatever.

Joe Rogan

Dude, this could be mad. Yeah, this could be a mad.

Mr. Beast

To set the stage, it's, like, abandoned city. Dozens of acres sealed off. Like, we. I could literally build, like, a wall around it. So the seals and whoever. The contestants know, like, this is the edge. They're walled in, and then, yeah, they're walking around. And then we have some of the best set designers in the, like, world come in. And, like, basically, we'd pick a time in the future. We'd say, this is 50 years in the future, and they would match exactly what all these buildings would look like 50 years from now. They'd put vines on this. If there's a gas station, they'd go through. And, like, this is what would happen to Doritos 50 years from now. They'd literally mirrored identically across 100 buildings. And then we'd have a helicopter fly in, drop them off. And then it's like, every day, we could have an eagle fly over and drop their tasks a day. And in the middle of the city's, a million. Oh, that's what we could do. The prize pool in the middle, if the zombies touch it as well, then they lose the money. So they're not only defending themselves, but also the prize pool. So in the middle of the city. So that's why they have to build a fort around it that every day, if they complete their crazy task, which is distracting them from building their fortune, then a helicopter will drop another million dollars on their prize pool. So then it's like. So episode one. They complete the task before the zombies come at night. And then it's like, I come in on a helicopter, we have a rope lowered down. A million dollars is massive in ones, right? And then it unhooks. And now they have $2 million there. Like, good luck, guys. And if there's six of them, then it's like you now, if you survive, are all winning over $300,000. And then, you know. But if you grow the prize pool to $6 million without getting eliminated, you're all millionaires in nine days, bro. That would be crazy. And then, yeah, the zombies come in. We figure out the practical guns with the right sound effects and.

Joe Rogan

Yeah, practical guns. Right. Sound effects. And what. What entails you getting killed by a zombie? Yeah, like, how do they.

Mr. Beast

And the other thing, too, to make it fun is if a zombie eliminates one of you, they get one sixth of the prize for whatever. So then now the zombies are incentivized, right? To try to. So then it's like if a zombie touches the Navy Seal, whatever the way is, it's like, congrats, now you're a millionaire if it's later on. So then, like, as it goes on, things are gonna get really tense on both sides, and it'll be really cool.

Joe Rogan

Yeah, dude.

Mr. Beast

Cause that's how you take it. Where people don't want to be zombies to now they're, like, excited to be zombies. They're like, ooh, I actually sneak up behind them, and I get a million bucks.

Joe Rogan

People are gonna want to be zombies anyway.

Mr. Beast

True. Because it's gonna look sick.

Joe Rogan

It's gonna be sick.

Mr. Beast

Honestly, I would want to be a zombie. Just, like, imagine walking in a horde and roleplaying being a zombie. That'd actually be a pretty cool afternoon.

Joe Rogan

Dude, it's so sick.

Mr. Beast

You're.

Joe Rogan

It's total pitch black. There's no power, no electricity. You just. Guys in the woods.

Mr. Beast

Oh, my gosh.

Joe Rogan

Well, these dudes are sneaking in. And you'd have to have some sort of rules, like how the zombies can Move. Whether they can run.

Mr. Beast

Yeah.

Joe Rogan

Whether they can. You know what I mean?

Mr. Beast

Yeah.

Joe Rogan

Because, like, we have to decide are these 28 days later zombies that run at you.

Mr. Beast

Yeah.

Joe Rogan

Or these like, walking dead zombies that are like, kind of like.

Mr. Beast

We'd probably start off that way, but they evolve with time. And I'm a big fan of like, usually when you have, like, people who are playing several, they usually end up going rogue. It's really hard to get hundreds of people to do, like, certain things, like, you know, in an unscripted sandbox environment. So we would have to constrict them in a way where, like, if we didn't want them to move past a certain speed, we'd probably have to figure out some way to put like a chain around their feet or something that physically wouldn't allow them to do it. Or like, if you have 300 zombies going right, you. You can't redo it. Right. Like if one of the zombies goes rogue and scratch, it's like, I can't reshoot the shell. Right. That's like, that's what's so high stakes about things we do in a world. So we'd have to. To physically make it where they couldn't do things they're not supposed to do in a perfect world. Or if you have 300 people, if 2% go rogue, that's still six zombies going rogue, which is brutal.

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Mr. Beast

Okay.

Joe Rogan

It's really important. Like, the more they do during the day, it optimizes the amount of money they can win. Like, as they complete tasks, if they stay alive, they have a higher threshold. Whereas if someone just fucking sleeps all day.

Mr. Beast

Yeah.

Joe Rogan

And doesn't get anything done, even if they survive, they can't make any money.

Mr. Beast

Yeah, I get what you're saying.

Joe Rogan

You know what I'm saying?

Mr. Beast

And that works. That these are, you know, hardcore, like, people. So it's good. Like if I normal contestants, they'd be like, oh, this is horrible.

Joe Rogan

You want that, though. You want people to out. You want a few people to quit because that there's going to be people

Mr. Beast

that you are hold to different standards. And that if I did that, there would be maybe 10 trillion articles written about how I'm the most evil man on the planet. But if I made it too hard where people couldn't sleep or.

Joe Rogan

No, listen, you can't read those articles. Fuck those people. You just got to make an awesome show. The awesome show is you keep these motherfuckers awake and you make it so that they can choose to sleep if they want.

Mr. Beast

Yeah.

Joe Rogan

But there are tasks to achieve. And if you can complete these tasks, you have the potential to make a lot of money. But if you don't complete the tasks, you can't make any money even if you survive.

Mr. Beast

Sold, Amazon, Netflix, whoever wants it, let us know.

Joe Rogan

Like, right, you got to keep these motherfuckers wait. So that nighttime is terrible. Terrifying. Can you imagine seeing people sitting there with their shotgun?

Mr. Beast

Exactly.

Joe Rogan

Falling asleep and then opening their eyes and looking out and seeing red eyes in the woods.

Mr. Beast

Like, we get a tight shot of their faces and as they're asleep. And then one of the other guys would go, zombies. And you hear bang, bang. And then they wake up and they grab their gun.

Joe Rogan

Well, that was. That's the problem of people randomly shooting wild while there's other people around them. So it kind of would have to be blanks and lasers. Because now that I'm thinking about it, like, people are gonna spaz out and accidentally shoot someone in the face.

Mr. Beast

This is where especially if they're tired. I've done. I mean, obviously you did unscripted with Fear Factor, but I've done lots of unscripted Stuff with lots of people and exactly. When you're talking about the shotgun stuff, I'm like, you know, there's just no shot in hell that you would ever be able to. It would have to be like. But I love the gel rounds. And we could do it in a way where we set that. The guns where it looks really cool and we can recreate the sound effect. But then gel rounds like those, it's essentially like the Nerf ones now. I'm remembering them like they're like water that explodes on impact. Those would be perfect.

Joe Rogan

Yeah. But you want blanks because you want the bang. You want the bang for the people, for the psychological effect, the fear. It's in the middle of the night, it's dark, you're making a bang go off. The flash of the bang going off.

Mr. Beast

Yeah.

Joe Rogan

And then maybe to avoid people being able to shoot each other, maybe at nighttime, they're completely separated. Maybe at nighttime.

Mr. Beast

No, you want them together. I'm telling you. Like, if they built a fort around the money, what you want in the shots is you always want to people to be able to tell what they're competing for and like their why. And you usually. But you don't want to have to say it, right? You don't want to have to say, oh, I'm competing for this money. But if you have the money in the background of the shot, intuitively viewers will be like, that's what they're competing for. So like a fort built around it where they have walls and they're standing on it, and you see the money behind them in the shots. Like, intuitively, to a viewer, you're going to instantly understand the motivation and it's going to be like. I mean, it would just be so crazy, the shots.

Joe Rogan

Maybe it's like a super advanced game of hide and seek at night where the people can't talk. They have to be very quiet because the zombies have, like, hyper hearing. Like, you give the zombies, like Walker game ears. You know what those things are?

Mr. Beast

No.

Joe Rogan

It's like. Do you ever go to a gun range?

Mr. Beast

Yeah.

Joe Rogan

You know, you have those headphones.

Mr. Beast

Oh. And they amplify.

Joe Rogan

You can hear everything else way louder. But when guns go off, it kills volume above a certain amount of decibels. So they can hear everything.

Mr. Beast

So if you hear someone whispering like

Joe Rogan

that, the zombies, like, will be able to key in on it. They'll know where the people are. And these people have to hide from the zombies at night.

Mr. Beast

True. Because I guess the other thing is if they built a fort around It. How would the zombies even get to them? They're gonna have elevated walls.

Joe Rogan

So instead of that you have people that are trying to hide. So you got these zombies slowly creeping through these abandoned buildings looking for people.

Mr. Beast

Yeah, we'd have to get it to them where the, the seals and stuff couldn't like lock doors or anything. Locks. So basically no doors have locks.

Joe Rogan

That's what makes the Hide and Go Seek so good. All the handles or all the doors are removed. There's no locks.

Mr. Beast

So every. Every night maybe we. We would brainstorm it more. But it would. Theoretically they all have to hide in a different building or something. They couldn't be in the same building. And then the zombies scatter across the city. And then wherever you are in the building, people have to be able to get to you. The zombies have to be able to get to you. Unrestricted, right?

Joe Rogan

Yeah.

Mr. Beast

And so maybe before we release the zombies, we'd have a producer just go in and, and walk a path. Like, all right, there's a factual path where you could die to a zombie. This is good. And then we let him loose to make sure there's no cheating.

Joe Rogan

There's something. This could be wild.

Mr. Beast

This could. Honestly, this is one of those things where I say this to my team quite a bit. It's either gonna be like the worst show imaginable that people clown on, or it's gonna be like the number one show ever. And there's no in between. Like, you don't do this, like, kinda. All right. Where people are like, I like it. It's either like, cringe, we failed. This sucks. Or it's like, this is the greatest thing ever. Why did this not exist before? Like the Walking Dead or what's the HBO show called? The One with the Last of Us. Yeah, the Last of us in real life. Like, how has no one done this? You know what I mean? Like, like actual true simulation. And like if we execute it properly, I really could see it be like a number one show in the world type thing that people would like. Because also you have to think like the world is ran by clips these days. I don't, you know, on like tick tock feeds, Instagram reels and YouTube shorts. And like, it is arguably the most clippable thing ever. Like any 10 second scene of that you could just throw on YouTube shorts and go viral because of the freaking zombies getting shot at.

Joe Rogan

And you know how cool they can make those masks look.

Mr. Beast

Yeah.

Joe Rogan

I mean, you get a real special effects guy to work on those masks. Yeah. Like one of those experts.

Mr. Beast

Can you search up Mr. Beast zombies? We have a video on our channel from, like, I mean, God knows how long ago, seven years ago, where we. We did like make like a mini zombie horde, but not like in a simulation like this, just for fun to see how people in public would react. And like, the. It looks disgusting. The things they were able to do. It's pretty crazy.

Joe Rogan

Yeah. Special modern special effects and makeup artists, they could do amazing stuff, man.

Mr. Beast

If you can find like a close up of my face or like, it was like crazy. We. We just brought in people come in. Yeah, like, like that kind of stuff. Like, look at my face right there. Wait, pause it. Freaking wild.

Joe Rogan

Dude. You could totally do something like that on the outside of one of those masks.

Mr. Beast

Yeah.

Joe Rogan

100.

Mr. Beast

Exactly 100. Oh, yeah. That was really all bad.

Joe Rogan

That's the look what yours looks like with like the teeth and everything and fucked up flesh. That is the mask.

Mr. Beast

Exactly.

Joe Rogan

So you take that hard airsoft mask and you put that shit on it.

Mr. Beast

Joe. The problem is I want to go work on this now. We got. So it's funny, I have this thing where this might sound like crazy to some people, but when I. You can, you know, when you feel your heart rate get elevated. When I talk about an idea and I can feel my heart rate get elevated, I'm usually like, that's a good indicator that it's like a good idea because it means I'm getting like, dude,

Joe Rogan

this is a good idea.

Mr. Beast

Yeah, I know. I can literally feel or not anymore. But like a couple minutes ago, I could feel my heart beating because I was getting excited. And it's like, that usually almost always correlates with people because if I'm getting excited talking about it, you have to think, like, a lot of things right now are because of TikTok and reels and stuff. They. They go viral because of word of mouth. And so, like, if just talking about the idea gets someone excited, then that usually means, like, a lot of people are just gonna talk about it. And if a lot of people are talking about, obviously a lot of people watch it. And so that's why I call it kind of like the heart rate effect. Like that. That's like my number one signal that, like, people are going to talk about this and freaking love it if we.

Joe Rogan

I can see it. Yeah, I can see scenes. I can see darkness starting to settle in on the town. Yeah. And I can see the people, like, trying to figure out where to hide and what to do.

Mr. Beast

And the eyes that night, that was Genius, dude.

Joe Rogan

I could see that.

Mr. Beast

And it's interesting because it's like combining the Venn diagram of us. Right? You're kind of representative of the very like, I don't know, you're like, just ability to really think deeply of like, what makes it fucking cool. And you're really hyper fixating on what makes the zombies cool and like the realistic nature of it. And I'm hyper fixating on just kind of the overall set design and things. There's like a Venn diagram in the middle where we combine like the two, like obsessions, and it really like merges together, makes something beautiful.

Joe Rogan

Yeah, man. And you could also have like, not just zombies, you could have like some other things that are out there too that can get people.

Mr. Beast

Yo, Jimmy, can we get 10 days on his schedule? Can he do one of the. Actually, no, because you wouldn't. You don't need the money. But it would be cool if you were competing in it, because then that would be insane.

Joe Rogan

Yeah, it's too much time.

Mr. Beast

Exactly. Just cancel some podcasts.

Joe Rogan

I like the idea of it though.

Mr. Beast

How about we. Or never mind, you pick them up in the car to take them to a podcast and they're like, oh, whoops, we're in an abandoned city. Oh, here's your shotgun you talked about a year ago, Joe. Wow. Anyways, zombies are coming tonight. What? He's gonna leave and not shoot zombies? Come on.

Joe Rogan

Have you ever done Sandbox VR?

Mr. Beast

Is that the one where it's like the. You just go in and there's random worlds you can walk around on it?

Joe Rogan

Uh huh, yes. It's a warehouse. You go in there and they have fans and stuff, so like simulates like the wind. And you go in there and you put on a headset and you put on a haptic feedback vest. And one of them is called Deadwood Mansion. That's my favorite one. And you go in there and you shoot zombies. You're in a mansion. You're in this like abandoned mansion and rats come out and zombies and there's guys in the ceiling. It's fucking awesome. Yeah, you would love it. But you might get some ideas if you do that, because you mean we,

Mr. Beast

we're co producing this now. You're, you're too invested. You just spent 34 minutes on a whatever podcast, like ripping on it.

Joe Rogan

Well, there's something to it, man. I just, I see it in my head. I'm like, that would be an amazing show. I just see these people like in the, like in a parking structure, like setting up Getting ready. And the sun's coming down. And they're like, look, we got it. We have about 20 minutes of daylight left.

Mr. Beast

Yeah.

Joe Rogan

And you realize, like, God, I'm so fucking tired.

Mr. Beast

Well, they're like, there's still $200,000 left we could earn today, but we need to start prepping this. And one guy's just greedy as hell, and another guy's like, we're gonna lose if you do that. And then, like, infighting and stuff as we're getting, like, dramatic, like, you know, B roll of it from, like, wide shot. Because everything, too, could be shot really far away. So, like, it's like lenses are punching in, and so it's not like there's a camera crew on them.

Joe Rogan

And you could have each day when it's tasks. Right. So you have to accomplish something. And the more you accomplish, the more money you could potentially make. Each day is an escape room. So every day there's new puzzles to solve. And then you're getting fucking tired cause you're not sleeping.

Mr. Beast

Yeah, actually, the escape room's a good. A good 3 way to do the task. It's not like some goofy stuff, like, move this rock from one side to, like, an actual escape room. And maybe the million dollars that win each day is inside. Like. Like. So it could be like, I drop a volt every day in the middle. And then, like, you have to do a series of things to figure out the combination that are hard. And then. Yeah, when you solve it, then it goes on the money pile.

Joe Rogan

Have you done many escape rooms?

Mr. Beast

Like, I live in Greenville, North Carolina. There's not, like, many there.

Joe Rogan

Me and my family, we do them everywhere we go. They're awesome. And the best ones are in Vegas. They have insane. They have an IT one in Vegas. IT one and it too. You're in this. It's incredible. It's so good, and it's huge. It's like 30,000 square feet, this place. And they actually have Pennywise the clown. They have an actor who wears the suit and looks just like Pennywise and scares the out of you. It's amazing. But those kind of people, you could recruit those kind of people to design puzzles and things where people have to do every day. And then you're dealing with sleep deprivation and people having to work together and not God, dude.

Mr. Beast

And I know the perfect people for it. We did for Salesforce, we did their super bowl commercial this year. And in the commercial, I hit a million dollars in it. Like, basically watch the commercial just with your computer and the commercial you can win a million dollars and there's like a bunch of random clues and puzzles hidden through it and over. And so the first thing it did, it take, took you to a website that just like loosely explained it. Over 60 million people visited that site and attempted it, but it still took weeks for people to find the million dollars. And it was like one of the craziest Internet like puzzle hunts ever. Because it would like take you to this website which would then would take you to this other one where you'd have to call a number and like it's a four hour voicemail, but like at the very end I would like say like 1, 2, 3, 4, 8, blah, blah, blah. And if you weren't recording this, you're gonna have to listen to all four hours again, hang up. And then it's just like sending you everywhere. And it's basically like 100 of the most complex puzzles on the Internet. And like, it took this like group of like really high level puzzle solvers almost an entire month to solve it, even with a million dollars on the line. And millions of people were trying and there's a whole subreddit dedicated to it. And so I just, I just basically went on Reddit and I got all the like, the most cracked out like puzzle solvers in the world. And I was like, if you had unlimited budget, how would you make the most insane puzzle ever? And then that's what they came up with. And it was like, it's like hard to even articulate the steps on it. Like some of it was. How do I. I don't even know how to describe it. It was like so complicated. Like sometimes there's like a page with like a bunch of buttons on it, like a million buttons, but only one works and you have to go through and click it all. And so some of them were mundane and then other stuff is like, you know, paragraph of text and you have to like use some old language, like decipher the text to figure out what the words were. And so like each puzzle required like a different skill set to like get through it.

Joe Rogan

Yeah, I could, I could think of all sorts of different things you could have these people do, like during the day, these different tasks, different puzzles that they have to solve.

Mr. Beast

Yeah, there's like languages. I didn't even know it exists. So like in the commercial I'm wearing a belt that just had different colors on it, but if you put the colors in order, it like translates to this thing. And I, I mean, I don't even understand what half the Things were. But people were able to figure it out eventually. Like, they're. They're just showing me, like, oh, this represents Braille, these dots. And so we put them in this wave, and then if you combine it with these colors, and it got, like, pretty insane. And so it all ties back to, like, the super bowl commercial and, like, all. Every little thing in there. And, like, one part of the puzzle is you have to find locations on a map. And, like, in the commercial, I've hold up a grenade, and it's like a one plus question mark equals, like, whatever. And it ends up being like. But the text is yellow, and, like, it's like a stone was drawing on it. And, like, it basically meant Yellowstone. And then you. You put in Yellowstone in, like, this location thing on a different website. And then it unlocks this, and you had to draw, like, a circle on a globe. It got, like, pretty crazy.

Joe Rogan

Wow.

Mr. Beast

Yeah, I know. Which is why, like, tens of millions of people attempted it. But it took almost a month for someone to win a million dollars. And, like, there's a million dollars online, and all you needed to win it was your computer. So it was pretty cool to see communities form, and people are doing daily podcasts and updates on it of what the next step of the puzzle are. Because what you'll see in these puzzles, too, is because we also did one years ago, I love doing these online scavenger hunts that with just your computer, you can win a bunch of money. And you'll see one person will solve a thing, and then hundreds of people will solve it right afterwards because they'll go post it on Reddit or they're working in groups. And so. So it'll be, like, standstill at, like, step 42. You know, no one's there. And then you'll just see one person goes on this website. That's step 42. And then tens of thousands of people would go there. But then as you get closer to the end, you stop seeing that effect. They start being more secretive and quiet about it. And so it's pretty cool to see, like, the psychology of how they do it.

Joe Rogan

You could have these people completely unarmed in the beginning, and the only way they can get guns is to solve puzzles.

Mr. Beast

Yeah. Or just find them. Right. Because if it's a big enough city,

Joe Rogan

we just go, well, maybe that's the puzzle. The puzzle is finding guns. Like, if there sort of a. Some sort of a puzzle, and if you unlock that, it'll give you the location of where guns are.

Mr. Beast

Yeah, yeah. And maybe, you know, I I also think of like fun stuff too. Like we could give them like there could be a gun safe or armory in this city. But it's like they have to like break into it. Right. And that could just be a thing that takes like a ton of time. Like so they have to like go find. You know, I may be one of the contestants. We make sure is like certified in like explosives and stuff. And there's. They have to like oh no, no shot of stream platform would be okay with this. But it would be cool if we let them like there's like mixtures and stuff to make a bomb hidden throughout the thing and they have to go find it and he makes like a mock C4 and puts it on it and you know, and then that's how they get in the gun safe. But maybe it's more like what's that hacksaw or whatever. And it's like we make, we get a safe where if you hack saw it for like 10 hours, you, you can like break the lock on it and get in. So then someone just has to stand there and hold it.

Joe Rogan

Or you give people stethoscope and a book on how to crack safes.

Mr. Beast

True.

Joe Rogan

And you have like click, click, click, click, click, try to figure it out.

Mr. Beast

Yeah. And someone's just like there for like two days straight. But then if he gets in, it's just, just straight loaded with ammo. So it's like a risk reward.

Joe Rogan

There are old school safes that you can do that too. I don't know if they can do that with the new ones, but if you have like an old school safe, you can actually hear the tumblers turning.

Mr. Beast

Exactly. Well, we could also just, just build the, the lock. I mean the beauty with the team like ours is like it's possible just like get the safe that looks aesthetically how you want and then just replace the lock, right?

Joe Rogan

Yeah, just make it so that it's fixed, it's solvable, but complicated.

Mr. Beast

Yeah, yeah, that would be cool. Because then it's like, well I'm a big fan of when they have agency. And so it's like, you know, it's like we could even lay it out there. Like this will take days to solve. And so you could spend days going collecting guns or days making money to grow the prize pool or you could spend days trying to get lucky on this. Like save that is doable but there's no guarantee. You figure it out. And having tons of stuff like that, that's what like makes it interesting too for the viewer because you're like, I love in these kind of reality shows where a viewer can ask, what would I do? Right?

Joe Rogan

Yes.

Mr. Beast

And that's why it tends to be what, like people and families when they watch together, they love like, like in Beast Games, when I offer someone a million dollars, but you have to eliminate your friends. You know, sometimes people turn down the million dollars, sometimes people take the million dollars, eliminate their friends. And like, that's an interesting thing to go. Well, if I was in their spot, I don't care, like, it's a million dollars. The point is to make money. That's why I'm on the show. Take the road. But other people see that and they're like, no, like my integrity is worth, you know, I wouldn't take a billion dollars over my integrity. Right. And first, you know, and some people, you know, even though it's a game show, they're like, no, I, I care. You know, and so. But giving them like these kind of dilemmas all throughout it too. So then as a viewer, I can be like, yeah, why I wouldn't do that. I would just go scavenge, you know, it'd be cool.

Joe Rogan

Also, you could make it so that ammo and certain supplies are only available at night.

Mr. Beast

So they're incentivized to move.

Joe Rogan

You have to go out, you have to decide whether or not it's worth getting caught, whether or not you can sneak around and grab the ammo. And then you also have to find it. You have to find the ammo, maybe find food, find supplies. Like supplies are left in duffel bags at night.

Mr. Beast

You know, bro, there's so many ways we could take these. This something that would be cool is every night we move their pile of money into a random building that they don't know. But it's all pre selected, so it's not. We're screwing them. So like we as producers know the 10 buildings each episode. So then night comes, come in, lift up the money, and we put like a helicopter, literally lifts it up, puts it on top of a different building. So now they have to get set up in this building to defend it. But they, they weren't planned on it. So that's why. Because also, yeah, that's the other thing you have to make where every episode's not the same. So then now every nighttime would be different because they're in a different building and they don't know. Yeah, that's cool. Yeah.

Joe Rogan

And finding like having like random ammo caches, maybe during the day they have to solve the puzzle that Lets them acquire a map and then they have to figure out where these random ammo dumps are and supply dumps are and food dumps are. So they're already hidden actually, you know, but you have to go out at night to find them.

Mr. Beast

What would be really cool is if we could find an abandoned city that had like miles away, like some other little location that we could like. So they find a map and it's like, yeah, on the other side of those woods. But it's like a 10 mile hike, you know what I mean? And so could you get there, go grab tons of ammo and then get back before nighttime? Right. And so then that's also like I'm a big fan of like seeing diversity and biodiversity so things don't feel repetitive. So then they're going to a different city, but their million or whatever the prize pool is still in the other one. So you have to go and then come back to defend it at night. And so it's like now you get like, like you can like dual cut because you can have the people in the city, you have the people journeying through the woods and it's like interesting to cut back and forth.

Joe Rogan

And then if they go out to that city and they make the journey and they realize it's going to take us 10 hours to solve this. By that time it'll be 2 in the morning, it's already going to be dark. We should go back now. Look it, we're here.

Mr. Beast

Exactly. And then agency, right? Do they, do they stay and spend the night there and trust their friends and they have no maybe no walkie talkie so they can't communicate and their friends are like, like holding down a fort with a million dollars on top. And they're like, where the heck are they? As they're like. And we get so many cool shots like that.

Joe Rogan

You know, there's so, I mean we've only done this in an hour, right? An hour or so. There's so many different possibilities. If you just sat down and worked. It must be so fun to do

Mr. Beast

what you do, dude. Exactly. Well, this is. See what we're doing right now is we're what I would call blue skying. And we're not thinking about for the most part restrictions. We're just thinking about what's great content. And a lot of that's lost. Like people in a lot of writers room, they'd instantly be like, you can't do that or that's not possible or whatever. And it's like right now we're just figuring out what is the best show possible. And then I'll just have people go figure out what is possible or not. And in reality, everything we've said is possible. It's just certain things will require a little bit of time. Like the safe, you know, using a modern safe, but changing the lock, that's possible. What does it cost and how long does it take? Right. And you just go through and you attach all that to everything and you do a very first principles way of going about it. And it's just subjective. It would take X amount of time, it would cost as much money. And then like, you know, and then you just go through and figure out what's worth it, what's not. As opposed to, you know, every step away, people being like, no, you can't do that, go ahead and redo it. And it's just like a. It seems obvious, but I'm not really sure of many media companies that approach it like we do, which is no.

Joe Rogan

Well, the thing about what you've done is you've built it from the ground up with yourself and with your team. Right. So you've never had a bunch of executives telling you what you should be or shouldn't be doing. And that's why it's so great. It's like these, a bunch. You have creative people and then you have the business people. And the business people, they think they're creative, but they're generally not. And they want to tell the creative people what to do so they can say, that was my idea. And so then you get a bunch of people in meetings that give you terrible advice and terrible ideas. And then they also want to compare it to shows that have already been successful.

Mr. Beast

Exactly.

Joe Rogan

Well, we've already done this and why don't we do it this way?

Mr. Beast

And then you don't get the purple cow effect, which everyone knows knows. And you.

Joe Rogan

What's the purple cow effect?

Mr. Beast

So if you're driving down the road and you see a cow, who cares? You'll never think of it. But if you're driving around down the world and you see a purple cow, you're going to think about it like, why was that cow purple? And it'll stick in your brain. It's the same thing with content. If it's a show you've seen multiple times or a format that's similar, you won't think twice. But if it's a purple cow but something you've never seen, then you'll think about it again. And that's what's counterintuitive. To how, like you were saying, most execs think. They think, well, we did this before, it did, well, repeat it. It's actually the inverse of how you should look at it. And thankfully, that's why with Beast Games, I work with Prime Video, because they just give us creative control and they're like, you know what you're doing, you can do it. But everyone sees that creators are growing bigger and bigger audiences, and so a lot of, you know, every platform on earth is trying to work with them. And I can't count the amount of times, like, a creator's worked with this streaming platform. And then, you know, what they have is great, but then the execs start giving notes and it starts to lose a little bit of the soul. A little bit. And then it goes from this, like, amazing thing to, like, it's all right. And it's like, it's just so frustrating because it's like you're paying them because they get millions of views of video because they have a core audience, and then you're stripping the thing away that got them that core audience. And it's like, why are you even working with them at that point? And more and more platforms are, like, waking up to it, but it's just, like, comical how slow they are to it. And, like, they should just trust them more.

Joe Rogan

Well, it's hard for them because they have to put up so much money, and not everybody's Mr. Beast. Yeah, you know, that's the problem. It's like, you have a great vision and you're really good at executing, but some people aren't. And so if you're going to dump a bunch of money into something, you see them making a disaster, like the Joker too, or something like that. Like, hey, hey, hey. Yeah, the. Are you doing?

Mr. Beast

Of course. And that's where it's like, well, what to an exec might be a disaster, to, like, a creator might be a masterpiece. And so that's obviously where. But it's evolving. I mean, I think obviously with Obsession, I mean, they just gross $400 million.

Joe Rogan

Isn't that crazy? I still haven't seen it, but I heard it's amazing.

Mr. Beast

What? You would love it.

Joe Rogan

I know. I just don't go to movie theaters anymore.

Mr. Beast

I don't either. But, like, that one, as with how well people are talking about it, I had to see it.

Joe Rogan

It'll be streaming soon. I think it'll be streaming in July or something.

Mr. Beast

Yeah, Obsession backrooms, which made by a creator, amazing digital circus. They've been crushing it iron, like. So it's like Hollywood seeing it more and more, but the writing's been there for years. But now that. I mean, we just had essentially four hit films made by creators back to back to back to back.

Joe Rogan

Well, did you see Talk to Me?

Mr. Beast

No.

Joe Rogan

Talk to Me, the horror movie? No, it was great. These two guys from Australia, they were hilarious. These two brothers, they came in and they talked to me about. But they were making YouTube videos. Yeah.

Mr. Beast

What's your name again?

Joe Rogan

It's called Talk to Me. Right.

Mr. Beast

No, what's the creator's names?

Joe Rogan

Jamie will pull it up.

Mr. Beast

Michael and Danny Filippo.

Joe Rogan

Okay, so they're so funny. They were on the podcast.

Mr. Beast

What's their YouTube channel?

Joe Rogan

A million Miles an Hour.

Mr. Beast

Yeah, I can't think of their channel. They're the Rack a Rocka. Yeah, of course. Yeah.

Joe Rogan

That movie is great. Have you seen it?

Mr. Beast

No, I haven't seen it. No.

Joe Rogan

It's really good. It's really scary, and it's very original.

Mr. Beast

Wait, when did you have the Rackaraka brothers on?

Joe Rogan

A couple years ago.

Mr. Beast

Oh, really?

Joe Rogan

Two years ago?

Mr. Beast

Yeah. They talk fast as hell, dude.

Joe Rogan

They're just, like, trying to corral them. It's like, hey, I don't know what the fuck.

Mr. Beast

They're super cool guys. I. Last time I hung out with them, I. Weirdly enough, they're really into Uno, and I. Whatever. I like competitive games. And I played $1000 game of Uno against them, and so we filmed it for, like, a little short for them, and I lost, and I was like, okay, well, at least this will be funny. And then after they leave to, like, go back to our show, they're like, fuck, the SD card's corrupt. And I was like, oh, what? So we didn't even get to upload it.

Joe Rogan

So.

Mr. Beast

But it was just funny because it was like, we had this, like, mini set, and we were playing, like, a really intense game of Uno where we were, like, slapping cards. SD cards.

Joe Rogan

Corrupt. That's crazy.

Mr. Beast

I know. It was, like, wild and, like, we were, like, flipping desk and, like, going like. We were just the most batshit game of UNO you've ever seen. And it's just funny. The kids game, like, like, taking over top. Yeah, Those guys are super cool.

Joe Rogan

Well, they made a movie about a hand, and so it's like this ancient hand that it looks like a sculpture, and it's got all this weird, cryptic writing on it. And if you put your hand on it, you hold on to it and you say, talk to me. Like, all of a sudden, you get Possessed by something. And you're supposed to let go within a certain amount of seconds. And if you let go within a certain amount of seconds, you're okay. But somebody doesn't. Somebody doesn't let go. And it's. I don't want to say anything more.

Mr. Beast

Okay.

Joe Rogan

It's really.

Mr. Beast

Is it, like, scary scary? Okay.

Joe Rogan

Yeah. It's a horror movie.

Mr. Beast

All right.

Joe Rogan

It's fun.

Mr. Beast

Okay.

Joe Rogan

It's really good.

Mr. Beast

My. My fiance loves horror films, so you'll love it.

Joe Rogan

It's really. Well, my. And it was like, when I saw it, I was like, this is crazy. These guys, like, super young guys, just energetic, enthusiastic, creative guys, just figured out how to make a horror movie. And it's all done in Australia, so it's like everyone's driving on the wrong side of the road and they're all Australian people, so it's like, it doesn't. You don't have to have famous actors to make these amazing movies. Yeah, it's like, it's not really necessary.

Mr. Beast

Well, like, the back rooms, I think the. The director, I think, is like 20 years old or whatever. I mean, very, very young. And I think it just crossed 100 million.

Joe Rogan

And obsession, same thing, right?

Mr. Beast

Yeah, yeah. I think they're a little older, but, yeah, in their 20s. YouTubers and they make, like, curry, like just the silliest, goofiest, like, skits on TikTok and Instagram Reels. And now, you know, and you watch Obsession. It really is, like one of the best movies I've seen a while. And it's just like, hilarious to see, like, the jump. But when you look backwards, it's kind of like Steve Jobs says, it's hard to connect the dots going forward, but you can connect them looking backwards. When you look back at his skits, they were very well shot and very, you know, like, beautiful. And you could. You can, like, kind of connect in your dots. I can see how this person made hundreds upon hundreds of these, like, little scenes on TikTok and Instagram. And then that led to being able to compile a bunch and it was like, essentially practice for the movie. And it's just cool to see the progression of so many directors going over. And what's interesting, though, is when you see these things happen, there's obviously a delay, right? Because producing films takes sometimes years. And so, like, now that you see all these hits bang, bang, bang coming out of the creator space over in traditional Hollywood, then it's not. You're not going to see the fact six months from now, but 18 months from now, I bet, I would bet money you're going to see dozens of other movies, you know, made by creators and obviously these people are going to get more funding and because now everyone's eyes are being open to like what should have been open a while ago, but that this is what people are watching now. Like especially people under the age of 30, they grow up watching YouTube and they're spending, you know, two hours a day flipping through sub 60 second vertical feeds of TikTok reels and you know, shorts. And this is, this is culture for them, this is their world. You know, I don't watch besides Christopher Nolan. Like I'm not really going to a movie theater for anything, but when a creator drops a movie I'm like, okay, like I want to see what they

Joe Rogan

did, you know, I always want to see what new innovators are coming up with. Like people that are just like thinking outside the box, that aren't, they're not trapped in that sort of a weird world of like how to make a successful film. They just, they're just, they have a creative vision, they're just trying to follow it out. And people are not limited to whatever genre you know them from. Just because someone makes like funny TikTok reels doesn't mean they can't make a great horror film.

Mr. Beast

Exactly.

Joe Rogan

But think about like Jordan Peele, right? Make Keen Peele made this comedy sketch show and then all of a sudden he, he makes these, you know, like, get out and you're like, what the fuck?

Mr. Beast

It seems like comedy sketches is the gateway to great horror films. I mean I'm sure people have connected that dots. I'm probably like two years late to saying that but, but I never even realized that. But yeah, Keaton, Peele, Curry, Baker, a bunch of other people. So funny.

Joe Rogan

Well, it seems like if you're creative you can be like most people have a variety of things that are interesting to them. You know, you like comedy movies, like horror movies. And just because you make comedies doesn't mean you don't have some good ideas about something that's absolutely terrifying.

Mr. Beast

Yeah, and I wonder too. I feel like horror films, it's a little easier to do on a smaller budget because it's like a lot of it is like the unknown and you're not necessarily having to show it and suspense and stuff. Whereas like, you know, you don't really see like, like I can't really think of like a sub like couple million dollar action film that like really crushed because like obviously those are very expensive. So it Seems like also a good place where you can make something like the difference between $100 million horror film and like a $10 million horror film, I would argue, honestly, really isn't that big, like.

Joe Rogan

Cause it depends on what you're doing. Right.

Mr. Beast

But it's like, what makes it good is. Is the. The premise behind it. Right. Like, the. The tension and like, if the. The. The thing that's scary, like, makes you feel that way, but, like, feelings aren't directly correlated to money spent. And like, you know, you. You could have like, this monster that doesn't appear to the end. And you don't need to like, CGI throughout the whole thing, but if you tell the story in the right way, in the constant tension, you can feel, like, phenomenal throughout the whole thing. Sure. Yeah.

Joe Rogan

And a lot of the older films that didn't have the kind of special effects that they have today in terms of, like, cgi, like, there was something better about not seeing the monster. Like American Werewolf in London, it's the best example. You barely see it. You see it for like, literally half a second a few times in the early parts of the movie.

Mr. Beast

I haven't seen the movie, but.

Joe Rogan

Oh, you haven't seen it? Oh, my God, it's amazing.

Mr. Beast

Speaking of not seeing a movie, I did watch Ex Machina after the last podcast. Yeah. Oh, it was really good. You know, honestly, I was like, it's probably silly, but I'll watch it because, you know, Joe told me it years ago. I loved it. I. I didn't realize it was that good.

Joe Rogan

It's one of my top 10 all time favorite movies also, because it's come. Coming. That's coming.

Mr. Beast

Oh, now. Yeah. It's more relevant than ever.

Joe Rogan

Did you see the Computer Electronics show from Vegas this year?

Mr. Beast

Computer with the drones.

Joe Rogan

Ces. Well, they have everything, and one of the things they had was an AI companion. And this AI companion is a hot Asian lady with big boobs. And the lips don't sync up with the mouth, which is with the. The way it. The sounds coming out. But it's talking to you in AI.

Mr. Beast

Yeah.

Joe Rogan

So it literally can have a back and forth conversation with you. Just like Perplexity can.

Mr. Beast

Yeah.

Joe Rogan

Or chat GPT with a voice, so. With a hot voice. I mean, and it's like. That's common, dude.

Mr. Beast

Well, of course. I mean, the language model's already there. Right. You can open up Gemini right now and talk to it like a normal human.

Joe Rogan

Yeah.

Mr. Beast

If you just tell it to respond quick, it will talk to you and

Joe Rogan

it'll talk to you with slang. It'll talk to you and say that part like, it'll say it'll.

Mr. Beast

Well, one thing that's. It's funny. I play this board game a lot called Dune. Whatever, Like a big nerd. But there's like, this one, it's called Dune.

Joe Rogan

The movies?

Mr. Beast

Yeah, it's a recreation. What's funny, I hadn't even seen the movies when I started playing the game. I didn't realize there was movies. I didn't even know there was books. I just was looking for, like, fun strategy board games that I used to play. A lot of catan, but problem is, catan, it's like dice roll. And, you know, if you get unlucky, you don't really win. There's like, games where, you know, there's a skill ceiling where, you know, the best player always wins, which is. Chess is a perfect example of that. But then it gets to the point of like, well, if you want to be really great at that, it's who spends the most time doing it? So I don't want1 that's 100% skill, but I don't want something that's too much randomness. Sorry. I take board games a little seriously because I love strategy games and, like, because if it's too much dice roll, like theoretically Monopoly or Catan, then it's like, who cares? It's just whether or not you got lucky. So it's like, I did a lot of research into, like, finding a game where there's like, a little bit of randomness so it's not just devote all your life, but there, like, is an infinite skill ceiling. And so that's where I kind of landed on this game called Dune. And I started playing it. And it also had to be a game where enough people played it where I could actually find people playing it it. And I got really hooked into it. But it's ironic because then I saw, like, the movies are dropping. I was like, oh, that. And then all the characters started to make sense. After I watched the movies, after I've been, like, probably a thousand hours into the game. I was totally backwards on the IP. But anyways, because we were talking about talking to AI, one of the top players, like, makes YouTube videos on it. And I was, like, kind of curious, like, what he would do if he was, like, in certain move, like, positions as me. So I just took all the transcripts of, like a hundred of his YouTube videos and I just put it into Gemini. And I was just like, hey, respond to me based how this person would and talk to me. Like, this person would. And what would this person say in this scenario? And then when I was playing a game, I would just ask the questions, like, the player's name's Dino, whatever. And so I called it Dino IO, And I'd be like, what would Dino IO do here? And it was pretty funny because it would respond just like him because it had so many words from all his videos, like, dozens of hours. And it was like. And I know one of Dino's friends. His name is Che. And I was like, would you take a bullet for Che? And Dino's, like, a very analytical guy. And the AI was like, well, it depends. Is it in the foot? Is it in the chest? And it responded exactly how, like, my friend would like to a T, like, with the same mannerisms and everything. I was like, this is crazy. Like, this is absolutely insane. And then so I would put it where it was on a Discord call. And, like, Dino, we would be playing, and then I'd ask questions, and I'd be like, no, actually, Dino, don't say anything. And I'd ask Dino IO, and it would respond exactly how he would respond in most of these situations because it had so much, like, contextual relevance from all his live streams on his YouTube channel. And it was pretty crazy. And. Yeah. And so it was just so surreal. So talking about, like, the robot thing, I just wondered, too if, like, if you put, like, a pendant around someone's neck and you just recorded them talking for, like, a week or two, and then you just fed that into an LLM, and then you were like, hey, talk to me like this person talks. Like, you can. Could have that, you know, whatever Asian robot you're talking about, you could have it literally talk to you like some other human. Right? Because it's interesting, too, because I was like, hey, give me a breakdown of Dino's speech. And it was like, hey, 15% of his words are. Around 0.3% of what he says is like. It gave me, like, a full breakdown of, like, the last hundred thousand words he said, what percentage they are, how he typically structures his things. Like, if you put him in a stressful situation, he'll, like, kind of respond more like this, but if it's more chill, he'll use this vocabulary. It was, like, really cool, but also scary because I was like, man, I have a lot of me talking, right? Like, this podcast, theoretically, people could just take dozens of hours of this and just make, like, a little Jimmy IO, and it's enough where it can pick up on my speech patterns and how I would respond to certain situations.

Joe Rogan

100%. They can do that easily. And then just put you in a robot and now Jimmy lives forever.

Mr. Beast

Exactly. Or you can just have your robot be whoever, which is, like, kind of weird.

Joe Rogan

Like, ew, that would be very weird. You living with you. You imagine you have a robot and you get the robot to do stuff around your house. Hiring a housekeeper.

Mr. Beast

Yeah.

Joe Rogan

You come home and Jimmy's vacuuming.

Mr. Beast

Oh, God. Or more cynic. Or not even cynically, just sad. It's like, you know, if you lost a loved one or something and then. Yeah, I know, but that's pet cemetery talk. Yeah, but if someone's, like, really grieving, they might, you know, do it because they want some normalcy back or something.

Joe Rogan

I'll probably feel empty and hollow and even creepier. You have a robot that's pretending to be your husband.

Mr. Beast

Yeah.

Joe Rogan

Yeah.

Mr. Beast

Off.

Joe Rogan

That's crazy.

Mr. Beast

I know, but it just. I don't know. These next few years are gonna be crazy, man. Everything's developing so rapidly and. Yeah, it's just. I. Yeah, it's 2036 is going to be completely different than 2026.

Joe Rogan

I know. Isn't that there's never been a time where the future is so uncertain, where no one can give you a really accurate map of what 10 years from now looks like. The difference between, like, 1930 and 1940. Not much. Other than world events, you know. Yeah. The difference between, like 1600 and 1700. Not much. Not much different. Maybe better boats, you know, maybe better muskets.

Mr. Beast

Yeah.

Joe Rogan

The difference between 2026 and 2036 is going to be. Who knows?

Mr. Beast

I know, man.

Joe Rogan

Full on. Blade Runner.

Mr. Beast

I mean, it's just like, that's some of the people I see working on, like, you know, know, augmented reality glasses and, like, where, you know, like there's animes where people get trapped in video games and stuff like that. And I could really see, like, you know, with AI advancing with more and more compute, where you could just, you know, put on a headset and live in a video game. And you could literally just gender or generate whatever the. The world is you want in. Or literally, like, you know, 10 years from now, potentially just real time, generate the video game you want to be in and cater it to what you like and just so many possibilities. And obviously with humanoid robots just skyrocketing, I mean, it doesn't take a genius to see. Well, with intelligence, you know, computer intelligence getting better and humanoid robots, all these just tens of Billions of dollars pouring into it. They're obviously someone's going to figure out how to merge them together. And Yeah, I mean, 10 years from now, we're definitely going to just. There's going to be humanoid robots and so many things that now would seem weird as hell, but 10 years from now we'd be like, oh, it's normal.

Joe Rogan

10 years from now you're going to have a show where people have to figure out whether or not someone's a robot or a real person.

Mr. Beast

I would say 10 years from now. That would be five years from now. Probably 10 years from now. I feel like that would just be like, you know, is this a rock or an iPhone or whatever? Like, no one would care. They're just going to be normalized to especially, like, younger people, like younger kids who grow up with chat, GBT and AI and stuff like that. It's like, it's just intuitive to them, you know, to go use these things or as opposed to other means. And so it's just like as that generation, you know, grow, once they become a thing, then give it a couple of years for people to get used to it and normalize to it and then, you know, it's not going to take that long.

Joe Rogan

Yeah, it's going to be very, very, very weird.

Mr. Beast

Weird. Yeah, it is. It's. And it's also like, scary because you don't know the implications, like, whether it'll be negative, positive. You know, some people will be negative. For other people it'll probably be positive. Right. You know, like, if you're a VFX artist in media, you'll probably be able to spend more time doing cool stuff and creative work and, and less time, like, going frame by frame and like, color, you know, like, no one actually enjoys, like, rotoscoping someone's hair and like, you know, so you can, you know, remove a background shot or whatever. So, like, for certain people like that, ideally, you know, it allow them to, you know, instead of you just, you know, draw a circle around them and then it just collapses on them and AI just figures it out. So you're not going, you know, frame by frame and drawing around their body. And it does that and you can spend more time doing actual, like, creative, fun work, you know, and hopefully that's where it goes and not to the point where you just don't even need the person entirely, but it's like anyone's guess where, like, the puck ends up stopping, you know.

Joe Rogan

Yeah, it's going to be real weird, man. Real weird. It's Going to be interesting. You know, hopefully we'll survive.

Mr. Beast

But I mean, I'm an optimist, I think we'll survive.

Joe Rogan

But yeah, I'm an optimist too. But I have a feeling that we'll have a different role in society, that's for sure. I don't think we'll be the leaders anymore.

Mr. Beast

Oh, that far. Okay. Yeah.

Joe Rogan

I think AI is going to take over most things.

Mr. Beast

Yeah.

Joe Rogan

Including government, including allocation of resources. It's going to probably restrict people's ability to make decisions because we're so destructive.

Mr. Beast

I did, I listened to your podcast with Mark Andreessen and I do like what he said or not like, but it's just interesting when he pointed out that like, you know, AI is the smartest doctor in the world, is the smartest blank in the world, is the smartest of everything. Right. And typically, you know, billionaires like him would be only have limited access to these high level professionals in each industry, but now essentially democratize that and everyone has access to the smartest person in the world in each of these industries. And so it is pretty interesting because if it is not omnipotent, but all knowing and knows all these things, like it's like scary because it's like we don't want as a human, I'm like, no, I don't want to make those decisions. But if you like purely take emotion out of it, logically it's like, well, would you rather a human with flaws that could do something fairly bad or this thing that has a lot more context and knowledge and experience? Right. You say you want an experienced person making a decision. Well, technically this has the experience of everyone ever in history on the Internet. Right. So. But it's also, I don't even know, man. It's crazy. But hopefully for the most part right now at least it seems like it's allowing people to do less like busy work and less things that they don't enjoy and focus more, at least in media, what I'm seeing focus more on things they, they do enjoy. Like I was saying, like the example of not having to roto every single frame on a body or you know, being able to pre visualize scenes or whatever. So. So it's like it seems and everything I'm seeing, and maybe I live in a bubble on Twitter. It seems like it's not killing that many jobs yet.

Joe Rogan

But not yet, but it could. But the idea is that it could also provide so much wealth for everybody that we no longer have to think about money in terms of like you need food, you need shelter. Like, this is universal. High income is Elon's concept. He thinks that literally people are not gonna have to work anymore. But then the problem with that is, like. Like, then you run into human nature problems. And so we have to teach children how to pursue their interests rather than how to just worry about having a job to feed themselves.

Mr. Beast

Yeah.

Joe Rogan

And so then you have to give them motivation. So you have to explain to them at an early age that going after tasks, completing tasks, doing things that are difficult and challenging is actually exciting and fun, and that's what you should generate. And then we're going to have to reward people based on that. And it's just to figure out, like, what incentivizes people to do things, because if they don't get incentivized. And then we also have VR and AR and games that you can play all day long that are way more exciting than real life, that you don't want to just take your government money and play Call of Duty all day. Yeah, especially if it becomes VR. Call of Duty.

Mr. Beast

Exactly. That's where it's going to get hard. Because I think of, like, how addicted to video games I was when I was a kid. I mean, still to some degree now, but, like. And if it was in a headset and, like, a completely different world, like, oh, my gosh, like, my poor mom, like, good luck getting me out of that. Like, she struggled to get me to stop staring at a screen and making call of Duty YouTube videos and playing Call of Duty when I was younger. And, you know, but if I was, like, actually in a headset and all my friends are on it, you know, and then you take it off and now you have freaking homework and, like, real life stuff. And, like, you went from the most overstimulating, beautiful, different utopia world where everything's amazing and you're with your friends and you're having fun, and then you take it off and you're back in, like, real life, which sucks. Like, that's, like, a whole different level of addiction than, like, current video games would have. And, I mean, I don't know what the timeline is on that stuff, but it's clear that that's going to happen in our lifetimes.

Joe Rogan

That's the Matrix and that's coming, and there's going to be multiple levels of that, and it's also going to exponentially get better and better with each iteration.

Mr. Beast

Exactly.

Joe Rogan

There's no way to stop it. It's going to happen. And that's sandbox VR. But times A million. If you go to play those games, you're in a small room that's like a part of a giant warehouse where they have these things set up. And your room is, you know, like 50ft by 50ft. And you move around in there, you do a bunch of stuff. But if this is an actual warehouse, you have physical boundaries that exist. Like, and then you're in a virtual space where, as you're walking, it looks like the actual ground that you're walking on.

Mr. Beast

Yeah.

Joe Rogan

And you're. You're involved. You won't be able to tell what's

Mr. Beast

real and what's not with those omnidirectional treadmills and stuff. When someone cracks the code, it's. You've probably never heard of it, but there's a popular anime called Sword Art Online. It's where it's just. A guy gets trapped in a video game, and he lives his life through there. And I remember watching that when I was younger. And I remember, like, when I was really young, fresh off of watching that anime, I was like, man, I hope they figure this out. My lifetime. So I'm like, 80 years old. I could just put one of those on and just live in the video game. And it's like, at first he's scared, but then he ends up loving it because it's just like, everything's great and. And. Yeah. So I think, yeah, there's just.

Joe Rogan

Well, the problem is, like, what's real and what's not real? You know, is it really important for things to happen physically in the real air quotes, real world? Or will it be just as fulfilling to exist in these virtual worlds?

Mr. Beast

Yeah, I mean, there are. I remember when I was younger, I'd play, like, this game called Wizard 101. It's like World of Warcraft, like. Like an MMORPG. And, like, there are definitely times in my life, maybe there were short periods where, like, when I was a young kid, like, my character in that game definitely mattered, like, pretty similar to, like, me in real life. Like, I was really hooked, you know, on that game.

Joe Rogan

Yeah.

Mr. Beast

And so, like, I could see it, like, you know, where people, like, look at people who've dedicated their entire lives to World of Warcraft. There's, you know, probably hundreds of thousands or at least tens of thousands. And it's like, you know, if you could recreate that same effect, people would feel that same way. Well, if I'm 90 years old and I'm bedridden, like, I don't care. Put that headset on me, like I'm done. Let me just live it out in here. You know, someone come in, stretch my limbs every couple of days, like, you know, put an IV in me. I don't even want to take the headset off to eat.

Joe Rogan

Well then there's a question of is that already happening right now? So if a simulation exists, and it's so good that it's impossible to differentiate between the simulation and real life, and you know, there's a lot of people that are very intelligent people that believe we are inside of some sort of a simulation, currently Elon's one of them. He said the odds of us not being in a simulation are in billions.

Mr. Beast

Really?

Joe Rogan

Yeah. So something akin to a simulation he believes is running right now. So maybe, maybe we are in Beast Games.

Mr. Beast

Some me a thousand years in the future.

Joe Rogan

The hundredth version of Beast Games.

Mr. Beast

Yeah, yeah. With compute growing and growing. If someone figured out how to harvest the energy of a single star, maybe

Joe Rogan

that's what this is about. As we grow older, technology becomes crazier and crazier and it reaches some sort of a tipping point while we're alive. And this is the end of the game.

Mr. Beast

That would be great, right?

Joe Rogan

It reaches some sort of horizon, some

Mr. Beast

actual civilization similar to us. But then they just wanted to. They lost, you know, like how we lost a lot of our ancient history. They did too. So there, this is a simulation to see how did we come to be with all this stuff. And so, yeah, I mean, yeah, if you're harvesting the energy of a sun and you have all that compute, I mean, look at what we're currently able to do with just data centers on the planet. Like, it's not, not far fetched to think you could have someone put a headset on or whatever and simulate, you know, trillions of things.

Joe Rogan

So not just that, but then there's the reality of the structure of the universe itself. Like subatomic particles acting differently when they're observed.

Mr. Beast

The double sided experiment.

Joe Rogan

Yeah, yeah. So it's like, okay, what, what effect is consciousness having on reality itself? And are we limited in our senses and our ability to recognize the impact of it? And do we live in a siloed version of reality that's we're imprisoned by our sight, Limited senses of sight, smell, touch.

Mr. Beast

Exactly.

Joe Rogan

Like there could be way more weird shit going on around us all the time. We just don't have the ability. And that's what the simulation is.

Mr. Beast

Exactly.

Joe Rogan

But it's not as simple as like you show up with your lunch pail and you go to Work. No, there might be some weird shit that's going on. Yeah. All along with consciousness, it's.

Mr. Beast

You know, we did a video where we helped a thousand, you know, know, blind people or people who can CC again with cataract surgeries. And I did think about that. It's, like, fascinating because, you know, if they didn't have other humans around them, they. They just would have never known that sight was a thing. Like, they.

Joe Rogan

Right.

Mr. Beast

You know, if we, as other humans, didn't tell them, I mean, they just couldn't see. And so it is like. Is there a sense that we might not be aware of that?

Joe Rogan

A bunch of them, I bet.

Mr. Beast

Yeah. Who knows? I mean, but that. That is like, an interesting thought experiment. And, like. Because, like, to those people, it was actually a random memory. I just got too. We also did a video where we helped 1,000 deaf people hear again. And a lot of them, it was just giving them, like, really, really advanced hearing aids, and they just hadn't heard in years. And there's this one scene we did where a guy had a newborn child that was like, a couple years old, but was deaf since the child was born and had never heard his child. And so we put it in and it really, really amplified sound where he could actually hear. He hadn't heard sound in God knows how long. And then the first thing he heard is we had his child just say, daddy, and he, like, lost it. That was the first word he heard in years. And it was the first time he ever heard her. And I don't even know why that memory popped in my head. That was like, one of the most special things we've ever filmed was, like, that moment right there. I was like, wow, that's crazy. Yeah.

Joe Rogan

We assumed that the senses that we have detect everything that's around us, but we. We know that's really not true because they're so limited just in terms of our ability to see things. Right. We see more things with a microscope than you can with the naked eye.

Mr. Beast

Exactly.

Joe Rogan

And we have no idea what the senses are missing.

Mr. Beast

And all you have to do is ask yourself if you were those people and you didn't have other people around you telling you, you wouldn't have known. Like, you would have thought that was reality. And so it's just. Yeah. I don't know if we'll ever know,

Joe Rogan

but we'll just think about the sense of smell, how weird that is. There's an invisible thing, and when someone farts, you go, oh, exactly.

Mr. Beast

Yeah. And like. Yeah, this is kind of Crazy.

Joe Rogan

You'd have no idea if you didn't have a sense of smell.

Mr. Beast

Yeah.

Joe Rogan

You would just be existing just like everybody else. And without a sense of smell, life is not that much different. You know, it's different, but not that much different. Like everything looks exactly the same.

Mr. Beast

Yeah.

Joe Rogan

But no one could smell anything.

Mr. Beast

Yeah.

Joe Rogan

You know, but think of like gases and all sorts of like a gas leak in your house or weird, weird. These smell. Skunk. All that stuff you'd be missing out on.

Mr. Beast

I guess if you had to get rid of one of the five senses,

Joe Rogan

that would be the one.

Mr. Beast

Yeah, exactly. I feel like that's the least necessary to survival.

Joe Rogan

It would suck. Food wouldn't taste as good.

Mr. Beast

Yeah.

Joe Rogan

You wouldn't know if you had bo.

Mr. Beast

Yeah. But for the most part your. Your odds of living are. Don't really drop that much. And like, your overall happiness wouldn't change dramatically. Yeah.

Joe Rogan

The only thing that would be a problem is impact by chemicals. Like, you wouldn't be able to smell like, like horrible chemicals that your body's like rejecting. You know, there's certain things you smell, you go, oh, what the fuck is this? I gotta get away from that. Because your body's letting you know, like, this is toxic. Whatever you're breathing in is not normal air. You would. That you would. Environmental poisons would be a problem. But other than that, regular life, if you lived in a contained, safe environment like most cities, most offices, most places that people work, it's not that big of a deal to lose your sense of smell.

Mr. Beast

Yeah. You know what's. It's funny because on the car ride over here, I was listening to the podcast, we did whatever four years ago, and it's like essentially like the entire podcast, I was way younger back then, was all about like YouTube data and analytics. I don't know if you remember that. And it's like, I do. Like, one thing I've noticed it's interesting because, like, I started making videos when I was 11, so my entire life is on the Internet, Right. And like my puberty, every development and stuff. And I look at that, our old podcast, and like, it is so, like, brutal. Like, I have borderline like autism on like this one subject. And it's like I was so one dimensional back then because I was just young and I'd only ever done one thing. It's just so interesting because it's like if someone were to theoretically search Mr. Beast Joe Rogan and they, you know, if they clicked on either one of these podcasts, it'd be Two completely different experiences. Right.

Joe Rogan

Well, you look differently. Yeah, I mean, you look great, man. I was saying before the podcast, you look fantastic. You lost weight. You look. You look really healthy.

Mr. Beast

Thank you. Yeah. I was telling Joefoot podcast I lost 50 pounds between the last one and this one.

Joe Rogan

That's awesome, man. Yeah.

Mr. Beast

And last time when you had asked me about movies or you asked me about cell phone, all these things.

Joe Rogan

Every.

Mr. Beast

Cause I was listening to it on 3xp on the car right here. Every single thing. I was like, I don't know. I don't know. I was like one thing and one thing only. I know YouTube. It was like I know nothing else. And I blocked everything else out of my, like, my world. Which is interesting because I actually think that wasn't a positive. Right. I think if I consumed more other medians and culture, it would have been better inspiration. I would have been a better storyteller. So. So I actually don't think it was a good thing, which is why I've like, since then opened up and like I let more things into my mind.

Joe Rogan

If I could push back on that though, I think it allowed you to be hyper successful because you were so focused on it that I think it really worked out to your benefit. I don't think it's a bad thing.

Mr. Beast

Yeah, no. I think that the hours put in, yes. But it's like instead of consuming four hours of YouTube a day, allowing, like allowing myself to occasionally watch a movie, I think I would have been more tapped in and understood how to tell stories.

Joe Rogan

Well, you were young and you. That's a part of the process.

Mr. Beast

I know. It's just so funny listening to that podcast because I even I as myself, I watched that. I was on the car. I was like, wow, I like seem like borderline like a freak on certain things here. It's like you were like, you would like change the subject on certain things and then I'd instantly bring it back to the one thing I knew, like YouTube data. And like I. I could like tell that I didn't even know and I would just be like, oh yeah, that thing. Anyways, retention. And it was just so funny listening to it. But it's just interesting though because, you know, I'm sure you see like a lot of your podcasts, you do, most people consume it through clips on social media. Right. That's like their exposure to it. And what's most.

Joe Rogan

People consume most things through clips.

Mr. Beast

Yeah. And what's fascinating though is clips don't have context on the time range. Right. And like you know, so like, whatever a clip from the podcast we did years ago, I'll see on my feed or it'll just randomly start going viral, one of them now. And like, and like, sometimes there'll be things that like, like, you know, I've grown up or I don't like, necessarily agree with or, or whatever. I, I speak differently, but because they're not like timestamped, it's like, interesting because a clip from something you did years ago can randomly go viral now and people won't even know that it's like years ago. And it's so fascinating because they, they just like pop off and it's like more people are going to listen to this podcast through like random clips, probably 10, 15 times folds than like actually going on Spotify or wherever you posted it.

Joe Rogan

Yeah, probably.

Mr. Beast

And it's so interesting because that's like the new form of culture, especially for younger people, is sub 1 min ish vertical content. You know, that they swipe to the

Joe Rogan

feed, but it does inspire people to listen to the whole thing. And only a certain percentage of them will do that. But it's like, that's a thing with sporting clips. Like, you see the game winning touchdown you watch, that probably gets watched more than the actual full game.

Mr. Beast

I saw a survey of like, like 56% of people now prefer to watch a sporting event through clips as opposed to like the actual thing. Like, they'll just get on their feed.

Joe Rogan

I guarantee you that's the case with like the ufc, because I know for the ufc, when they analyze the performance of a show, like how many people watched it on Paramount plus versus how many people consumed it on TikTok Instagram.

Mr. Beast

Oh my gosh.

Joe Rogan

Yeah, it's many, many fold. It's like, you know, they, they, they, they get hundreds of millions of views on social media.

Mr. Beast

Yeah.

Joe Rogan

Of different. You know, I haven't watched Sci Fi

Mr. Beast

Live in a while, but like, you know, the, the, the White House one, I mean, I, I saw everything on my TikTok feed. I mean, I probably saw 150 clips of it, so I have like, a relatively good grasp of what it looked like and what happened. But yeah, I didn't watch it live.

Joe Rogan

You know, if you wanted to watch that one live, really, you should have been there. Like, that was when you really absorb how bizarre it was.

Mr. Beast

Yeah.

Joe Rogan

To actually be at the White House, it was very bizarre. The whole thing was very surreal, real. Like me and Daniel Cormier and John Anick. There was so many moments like the day before the event where we're we're rehearsing. So we're standing by the October and I made a video of it where I put it on. DC is like the White House. Like I'm showing the White House, there's the cage and then the White House is right there.

Mr. Beast

Yeah. And the flyover and everything.

Joe Rogan

Nuts.

Mr. Beast

But see, that's how, what I was telling you about the Roman Coliseum before, that's how I felt. But I didn't get the like.

Joe Rogan

Well, you know, they were going to do Elon Musk versus Mark Zuckerberg and in the Roman Coliseum, but it was going to cost $150 million just to secure the venue and set everything up.

Mr. Beast

I mean, I could have hooked him up also.

Joe Rogan

It would have been a terrible fight.

Mr. Beast

Eli would have been destroyed. It would have just been a complex.

Joe Rogan

He thinks he's big and so that's going to be enough. But Mark knows how to fight. Mark is like really into it. He trains all the time. I mean, he's obsessed. He brought this guy that I know, Dave Camarillo, who's a world class coach, who's a Brazilian jiu jitsu, black belt, judo black belt, has been training him. Like he's training.

Mr. Beast

I know he's very hardcore people. Well, because I, I don't think he'd care if I told the story like the first time I talked to him years ago. Like, you know, we just shooting the shit, chatting, and then like at the end of it, he's like, yeah, you want to come train MMA or whatever at my lake? And I was like, oh, no. But I appreciate the offer. But it's just like instantly like that. I could tell that's like his way of like bonding and building friendships and yeah, he just like, he was being very serious. Like he wanted to roll and I've never done that in my life. And I was like, yeah, he invited

Joe Rogan

me to go bow hunting with him.

Mr. Beast

So it's definitely not fake. Like that was a one on one conversation.

Joe Rogan

Oh, no, no, no.

Mr. Beast

I know you know that. But a lot of people think he's just like puts on the facade or stuff. But like unironically, like our first time meeting, he's just like, yeah, let's hang out. Let's do like go roll on some mats and stuff. Like he was being dead serious.

Joe Rogan

Well, the way you could tell that it's not fake is watching him train. Because there's no way he could be that good if he's not actually putting in the time.

Mr. Beast

Yeah.

Joe Rogan

Because I want even his striking his Jiu Jitsu. All that stuff is, like. It's clear. There's many hours been spent working on technique to achieve this level of proficiency. I mean, he doesn't look like a world champion or anything like that, but he looks like a guy who's training a lot.

Mr. Beast

Yeah.

Joe Rogan

You know, there's no way you can't be enthusiastic about it and be doing that. So he's definitely. Really.

Mr. Beast

Every time I listen to. Whenever you have a podcast and you talk about the UFC and stuff like that, it always makes me, like. Like, I feel that masculine urge to, like, go train and do it. But it's like, I wish I could. Like, I wish I could fork my life and have, like, one where I keep going down this path of just grinding 18 hours a day and building all these companies, and then another where I could, like, pursue fun stuff like that. And, like, because that would be fun, like, to.

Joe Rogan

Well, how old are you, Jimmy?

Mr. Beast

28.

Joe Rogan

Yeah, you're still so young. You could just do this for another 10 years and amass so much money that you could never spend it, and then 10 years from now, you know, just slack off a little bit on that and just go do a bunch of stuff. And not only that, you could create content, doing a bunch of stuff. Like, Mr. Beast discovers the World. Like, you could. You could do anything, man.

Mr. Beast

Yeah.

Joe Rogan

I think you're so young. Like, you have so much time ahead of you.

Mr. Beast

Yeah, it's hard to even. I. I think you. You, like, as humans, we, like, build the patterns and stuff, and I've been working so many hours every day for so long that it's, like, like, literally, like, ingrained in me that it. It's hard to ever really imagine a world where, like, it shuts off. Because you have to think, like, I started when I was 11, so basically now all I really do is just, you know, work, whether it's building companies or making content. And, like, another 10 years from now, that would be essentially 20 years straight of, like, training my nervous system of, like, this is what you do all day, every day. Like, constantly being war mode obsessed with it. So it's hard to envision a world where I could ever shut it off.

Joe Rogan

But you know what's interesting? You and I have been doing it about the same time. Like, we started this podcast around 17 years ago.

Mr. Beast

Holy crap.

Joe Rogan

Yeah, it'll be. Won't be 17 years in December. I think so. Right? I think in this December is 17 years. So it's basically on these parallel paths, which is crazy.

Mr. Beast

You know, what would Be funny is if like envision like 17 years ago you had 11 year old me sitting here and then you sitting there and like comped it to today.

Joe Rogan

That would be amazing. Yeah. So what are you going to do? You're going to do a show on YouTube? Where'd you get this idea?

Mr. Beast

YouTube.

Joe Rogan

Did your mom know about this?

Mr. Beast

Should you be in school? I'd be like, I was such a,

Joe Rogan

like, how many hours a day do you spend waking on content? Hey man, go outside, go talk to a woman.

Mr. Beast

I, I mean, back then too, I was so like introverted and self conscious. Like, I probably wouldn't have said anything. I would have been like, you know, because you have to kind of be a little. It's, it's interesting too because it's a, like very accepted to be a content creator. It's like cool. People love it. It's like, even parents now, like, you know, they're like, do it. And they realize that while being a content creator, you learn a lot of different skill sets and it teaches self agency, et cetera. But back then, I mean, it was like, you're batshit crazy. Very frowned upon and like, so it's so funny to see how that changes because like, you know, it's the number one most coveted job in America right now. Like, if you were to go serve, survey like 100 random teenagers, a lot of them, a good chunk of them would say they want to be a content creator. Maybe not specifically a YouTuber, but, but between TikTok, Instagram influencer, like, you know,

Joe Rogan

like, and so it's probably the number one job that kids want.

Mr. Beast

It is factually, yes. And so, but you know, when I was coming up, heck no. It's like, what are you, a weirdo? That's not a job. Like, YouTubers don't even make money. How are you gonna make money? You're gonna be homeless. Yeah. So it's so funny to see how it changes.

Joe Rogan

It's the same thing with podcasts. Back then I would tell people I'm doing a podcast and they would be sad like, oh, poor guy. Like, what the fuck's wrong with. He used to be on tv. Like, oh man.

Mr. Beast

Yeah, you've fallen from grace. And it's so interesting too to see like, you know, as like YouTubers and stuff first got started getting big, like they all use it as launch pads to jump to Hollywood. And then it's like the ones like me who are just like, who really cares? You know, like, just stay over here and focus on YouTube are the ones that are the biggest. And Mike just believed in the future.

Joe Rogan

This is the same as podcasts as well, because there's a lot of people that started off podcasts and then their podcast got a little bit of popularity and they went and did a show somewhere.

Mr. Beast

Yeah.

Joe Rogan

And they got. And it sort of stalled them out in the podcast world.

Mr. Beast

Exactly.

Joe Rogan

Because now you're working for the man. Air quotes. And you're working for some studio or

Mr. Beast

something like that and split time and you're not as passionate and stuff.

Joe Rogan

Yeah, yeah.

Mr. Beast

Well, it's something I think about too, which is a message I feel like a lot of people need to hear. Because a lot of people don't realize that, you know, you know, not everyone can make tens of millions of dollars or maybe be as successful as like you or I can. But I do believe most people, if they, you know, find something they love, like put in a lot of hours, like a ridiculous amount of hours, consume, you know, basically everything's available on the Internet now. Consume all knowledge available on how to be good at certain thing and then, you know, do a thousand iterations on it. Then they can come out the other side and do it for a living. You know what I mean? Like, I feel like they're. But most people aren't exposed to that kind of, I mean, to be honest, rhetoric. Like they, they think still, you know, their parents went to college, got a degree, that's how you get a job. And so a lot of people today, because obviously your parents educate you and teach a lot of these things. And I'm not saying college is bad, just think it's the same pathway and then they get in a lot of debt and they don't fully realize that, you know, if you just like there are like, you know, certain content creators that might blow up in two years and there are others like me that take 10 years. And it's just like a distribution chart and you know, probably the average somewhere in the middle. And you just have to like, there's no like set time frame you can give yourself. But if you're surrounded with other people obsessed with the certain thing, you're obsessed over whatever it is you're. You put in 10,000 hours and in those 10,000 hours you do a thousand iterations and you consume all knowledge available.

Joe Rogan

It.

Mr. Beast

It's like, you know, the better you do it, the further to the right, like the two year mark you'd be of being able to do it for a career. But you know, it's. Sometimes it will take longer and you just have to Give yourself enough time in it, but eventually you can make it happen. And I think that just more young people need to hear that, really, because they, they just don't even. Really, the dots don't connect in their mind that that's really even an option. Right.

Joe Rogan

Well, it's a completely new career path. Right. And the only re. The only way that people really can get a map of the territory is from someone like you who's gone through the very early days of it. And they could show, hey, not only is this guy successful, he's fucking hyper successful. Like, this is not a dream. Like, this is a possibility. You just have to figure out your version of what he did.

Mr. Beast

Yeah.

Joe Rogan

And it's a process.

Mr. Beast

But I would argue it's not even just for content creation. Like if you wanted to be an accountant or really anything, it's like, just put in a lot of hours, do a lot of iterations, surround yourself with great people and obsess over, Stay focused. Stay focused, consumer it. And then recognize, like, you might be like, oh, well, this person did it in 10 months. Why is it taking me so long? It's just, it's average in statistics and just give yourself enough timeframe and like, it's. It's hard to. Again, I'm not saying you'll make tens of millions of dollars, but if you want to do that thing for a living, it's. If you follow those, those, you know, traits. Like, it's. It's gonna happen eventually because, well, you

Joe Rogan

have to be process oriented, not goal oriented. You know, the process is getting better at stuff. The goal of being financially secure comes with it eventually. But if you think, I want X amount of money, well, that's what you're going to think about. You're not going to think about the actual thing you're making. So it won't be as good. So you'll probably never get there.

Mr. Beast

Bingo.

Joe Rogan

Yeah. And this is the. You know, one of the cool things about owning a comedy club is that we've set up the club so there's a real path. Like, these people understand how you can become a professional. Because becoming a professional when I first started was this very vague, weird thing, like you never. No one knew how it was done.

Mr. Beast

Yeah.

Joe Rogan

Like, you went to open mic nights. You did open mic. Now how do I get paid? How do I ever be a professional?

Mr. Beast

Yeah.

Joe Rogan

Someone has to ask you to go with them on the road, and then you wind up getting mentored by another comedian, which is nice because they usually need opening acts and that's kind of how we did it. But what we set up at the comedy club, we have a real creative director, this guy, Adam Egot, who is the creative director at the Comedy Store, the town coordinator, he watches all the open micrs, he. And he finds people that are good. We have two nights, nights of open mic nights, and then we have Kill Tony. So we have Kill Tony, the show which is every Monday, where these people pull a random name out of a bucket and you have a phenomenal show.

Mr. Beast

If people don't watch it, it's hilarious.

Joe Rogan

The best show ever.

Mr. Beast

Yeah.

Joe Rogan

And these people get to do one minute of stand up. And if it blows up and they do well, they get to come back. And if they get to come back, then all sudden, millions of people have seen them do stand up, and now they're selling out comedy clubs and they have real careers. And some of these people were just grinding it out. And, you know, my friend Dedrick Flynn, he was out in Atlanta doing it, and my friend Ari Matty was in Estonia, and they went to Australia for 10 years, just grinding, trying to make it in comedy. Gets on Kill Tony. Boom. Now he has a career. It's incredible.

Mr. Beast

And I don't recognize those names, but, like, as me of a case study, right, if they're doing stuff in Estonia or other, I never would see it. But if they're on Kill Tony, I'll see it.

Joe Rogan

Exactly.

Mr. Beast

And there are millions of people like me that we're not, like, we're casual comedy watchers. Right. I don't, you know, maybe I'll watch a Netflix special here or there. And I watch Kill Tony. And so, like, if you don't exist in one of those two things, you just don't exist in my world. And there's so many people like me.

Joe Rogan

There's a lot of people now like that particularly. And we wanted to set up a network. We wanted to set up, like, a real pathway where these people can. You could see, hey, other people, like, like, like Cam Patterson. He was a doorman at the Comedy Store, and now he's on Saturday Night Live, or doorman at the Mothership. Right. And now he's on Saturday Night Live. He started out at the Mothership and he was working there as an employee.

Mr. Beast

And he's funny, and I don't know who he is.

Joe Rogan

He's amazing.

Mr. Beast

Because it killed Tony.

Joe Rogan

Yes, because he killed Tony.

Mr. Beast

Exactly.

Joe Rogan

But there's multiple versions of that now that are coming out of the club. And so we wanted to set it up like that so you still have to do all the work, but we want to, like, illuminate the pathway. Like there's a clear pathway.

Mr. Beast

Well, because it's different skill sets, right? Like, being able to get attention and get in front of people might be a different skill set than being funny and being able to make them laugh and, you know, the things that make a great comic. And so it also makes it a little straightforward for people who might be just world class in one comics, but they. They don't know how to scrounge up enough money to travel the world and do all these things and smart enough to figure it out. And so, like, handling that part, because at the end of the day, like, as a viewer, I just want to watch funny people. Right.

Joe Rogan

There's also. You have to be able to see other people who have done it already and how they did it. So because of a guy like Cam Patterson goes from being a doorman at the Mothership to now being on snl, people see it and they go, oh, it can be done. What did he do? Well, he kept killing every time he got on stage. So that's what I gotta do. I gotta work on my set, really grind it out. And I was with this guy three years ago, and now this guy is rich and he's famous. Like, this is amazing. He was poor, just like me. Like, literally working for. You know, I'm sure you pay well. Yeah, yeah, but I mean, doing road gigs and doing whatever you can, and guys are barely getting by. But that's the key. It's like, you got to know that it's possible. And before someone like you became, you know, a real content creator. But imagine just trying to explain to someone what your YouTube show, what your goal was. Imagine this. Imagine 15 years ago, you sitting down with someone when you're 13 years old and trying to explain. I want this show to have. Have hundreds of millions of subscribers. I want billions of hours consumed worldwide. I want it to be like one of the biggest shows in human history, and I'm gonna do it on YouTube. They'd be like, you're out of your fucking mind. Yeah, right.

Mr. Beast

Yeah. Well, and back then, like, viral videos back then were like 2 million views. And so, like, if you would have said back then, I want to get 100 million views a video, like, I mean, people would call you the lunatic.

Joe Rogan

Like, you're just delusional.

Mr. Beast

Not even delusional. Like a certified, like, lunatic. Like, you're not even living in reality.

Joe Rogan

But now that you've paved the path and then you've shown people that it can be done now, you see, everyone's

Mr. Beast

has a lot more confidence to reinvest.

Joe Rogan

It's a real career path. It's a real career path if you pursue it the way someone pursues learning how to play guitar and being in a band, like, do it the right way. I want to be a pilot. What I have to do, I got to go to pilot school, got to do the work, put in the.

Mr. Beast

Go through the process, like factually or. I mean, I don't know if it's factually, but it's like millions of people over the next 10 years that will, you know, find a job, you know, being a creator or working for creators. Right, I know, yes. I mean, dozens upon dozens of creators who are hiring dozens of people each. I have 150 open racks in my business. I mean, they're, you know, these creators, hundreds of thousands of people are going to become creators themselves full time, and those creators are going to hire millions of employees over the next, you know, decade or so. So even if you. Which is what I see a lot of people who try to become a creator who end up failing, they end up being phenomenal, you know, partners or employees for other creators. Right. And they're. The space is growing so big and there's just so much demand for it because not everyone who did stuff in traditional Hollywood, you know, acclimates as well over here. So there's just so much like, everyone I know just needs like five or six people. So it's like, it's a pretty useful thing. And it's like almost like the equivalent of getting a college degree. Right. If you're a teenager now and you put in 5,000 hours, 500 iterations, you obsess over this thing, blah, blah, you come out the other end. Even if you don't make it as a YouTuber. Now you know how to edit, now you know how to tell a story. Now you have all these character traits and yeah, some other YouTuber will pick you up and harp heartbeat.

Joe Rogan

Yeah, for sure. And it's also, it's. This is the new Hollywood. I mean, this is really.

Mr. Beast

I mean, literally now. I mean, four of the biggest films came from creators. It's like not even like, it is like a factual thing now. Some of the biggest new IPs are coming out of them. Yeah, it's where all the viewership is going. I mean, when I was on this podcast last time, I. It was probably like, whatever, 1.8 billion people use YouTube every month now. It's over 3 billion, you know, What I mean, it's growing and it's not slowing down. It's growing more and more and more, which is what I said would happen, you know, last time I was on here. And what I still believe, like, I don't think these things have peaked. I think they're going to keep growing. And you know, it's just what younger people use. They never watch television, which is obvious to me and you, but, you know, but to some older people who still watch, you know, news and get it through there, it still blows their mind that they're like, they never use cable. And it's like, like a 15 year old right now, outside of like you know, watching an NBA game or an NFL game, has never used cable television. They've never even seen it. They don't, like, they don't even even fully understand. Like, they're like, like sometimes when I'm talking to like a younger person, like, if I'm like trying to get a gauge of what do you think of our new video? Like, I'll just ask, like, have you ever watched cable television to see what they say? And like, no. And I'll explain to them that there's like two to three minutes of commercial breaks. Kind of like when you watch NBA, but instead of like a sporting event, it's like entertainment. And they'll be like, why? Why would you do that? Why would you, like, why would you put like three minutes of ads every four minutes, like. And I'm like, well, that's just how things were. And they're like, why?

Joe Rogan

It's so dumb that they still do it that way. Yeah, well, it really is so dumb.

Mr. Beast

It makes no sense.

Joe Rogan

Yeah, it makes no sense. You don't have to do it that way. They could probably make as much money through product placement and having an ad at the beginning and doing it. And you probably get more retention. You probably get more views. Like, no one is going to sit and watch cbs.

Mr. Beast

What's even crazier is you would have to pay money to like, you'd have to pay like $50 a month for cable to then have like 33% of what you consume be ads, which is a higher ratio than when you watch YouTube, which is free. It's, it's crazy wild. And then you wonder why people are moving in hundreds of millions of droves over to this new form. That's just like, yeah.

Joe Rogan

And then there's podcasts, which is like, how many podcasts are there now?

Mr. Beast

Millions, obviously. But how many? Yeah, obviously there's millions, but.

Joe Rogan

But I Mean, the barrier to entry is the lowest. Like, at least what you're doing is complex.

Mr. Beast

Yeah.

Joe Rogan

You know, it's. I mean, you've created a show, you have game shows, you have charity shows, you have. You have. You're giving away stuff. You have a bunch of crazy things you guys do. You have tasks, you have. You have to plan it out.

Mr. Beast

Yeah.

Joe Rogan

Podcasts, you're just sitting down. Like, we talked for five minutes before we started this podcast.

Mr. Beast

Yeah.

Joe Rogan

We said, hi, look great.

Mr. Beast

What's up?

Joe Rogan

Good to see you.

Mr. Beast

You gave me some caffeine to get me cracked out, and then we went

Joe Rogan

to let's go, and that's it. Like, so there's zero preparation other than, you know, the preparation that the host does beforehand. But if the difference between that kind of preparation, the kind of preparation involved in one of your shows is fucking immense.

Mr. Beast

Yeah.

Joe Rogan

And so the barrier to entry, just to be someone who's a content creator, like a podcaster, is how many podcasts are there? Let's guess.

Mr. Beast

Oh, if you.

Joe Rogan

How many do you think there are, Jamie?

Mr. Beast

Active podcasts, how many have been uploaded this week? That's what, you know, Active. Yeah. Still posting on them. Yeah. Let's say 7 million or something like that.

Joe Rogan

That's crazy. Yeah, that's crazy.

Mr. Beast

I would guess to active, probably 1. 1 million.

Joe Rogan

Please, please put this. This is what I want to know. How many podcasts were active in 2009? Oh, let's guess that.

Mr. Beast

Okay.

Joe Rogan

Put that into our AI sponsor, Perplexity. Perplexity probably has the answer to that.

Mr. Beast

Wait, they sponsor you guys?

Joe Rogan

Yeah.

Mr. Beast

Is that what you had the. The founder on?

Joe Rogan

Yeah. Well, also because he's cool. I talked to him and we started talking about ancient Hindu mythology. I was like, dude, this guy. Be a cool guest.

Mr. Beast

I haven't downloaded. I haven't listened yet.

Joe Rogan

It's really interesting. He's a fascinating guy. We were talking about these tem India, and I've been down these multiple rabbit holes about these temples that they carved out of a single 2009, there were 69, 000 podcasts.

Mr. Beast

But that.

Joe Rogan

Holy shit.

Mr. Beast

But that's not active. That just means 69 in the Apple's directory. So that means roughly 70, 000 people had done one at some point. But then, yeah, I would wager a small percentage were actually active at the time.

Joe Rogan

Still, that's a lot. So that's when I started.

Mr. Beast

So now what is it? Now that I'm Curious now, in 2027, six, how many podcasts are there?

Joe Rogan

I bet seven million.

Mr. Beast

Yeah, I'm gonna up my guess. I'm up mine to 10 million worldwide. I'm upping mine to 10. What does it say?

Joe Rogan

So since 2009, there was 69,000 versus several million shows today, depending on the database you look at. Okay, but what is the number, though? 4.5 to 4.7 million podcast shows globally as of 2026.

Mr. Beast

You know what I'd be curious of? How many people do content creation full time? I'm wondering.

Joe Rogan

Oh, that's a good question. Okay, let's. Let's figure that out.

Mr. Beast

Yeah. And how many people make a living?

Joe Rogan

Yes, let's guess. How many people make a living doing

Mr. Beast

content creation in 2009 versus now. I'd say 2009. Maybe zero.

Joe Rogan

Yeah.

Mr. Beast

Or a thousand or something. You know, I was, I was a little kid, I was. I'll say 5,000.

Joe Rogan

Okay, maybe five. Content creation is like a very online content creation. Yeah, but the problem is that's like blogger and.

Mr. Beast

Yeah. Through social media. Yeah.

Joe Rogan

2009. Social media is just coming out.

Mr. Beast

You're right. 5000.

Joe Rogan

So let's, let's just think. Let's just not even think about that. Let's just think about today. How many people are professional content creators today? Let's guess. I say 25 million.

Mr. Beast

Move. I would say lower. Probably 8. Let's see. What, 8 million.

Joe Rogan

Yeah, that's probably more like the barrier

Mr. Beast

to entry you're making me look up here is also tough in the US like taxpayers, people who are like filing. Just like worldwide. How many people do content creation full time? Right.

Joe Rogan

Yeah, just, just how many content creators. How many professional content creators are there worldwide? Slept perplexity. Try to figure it out.

Mr. Beast

I will, but I'm just like, it's.

Joe Rogan

I don't know.

Mr. Beast

I know what it's going to do. That's. It's not, it's.

Joe Rogan

What do you think it's going to do?

Mr. Beast

It's going to freak out and it's going to say there's a lot.

Joe Rogan

Let's see what it says, though.

Mr. Beast

That's going to say the same sort of thing. What is professional.

Joe Rogan

Okay. People that make a living, they, they pay their bills off of content creation. I know it's not a great question, but let's just see what it says. Just out of curiosity, it might have an answer. How would it know? Really?

Mr. Beast

Yes. You don't file your.

Joe Rogan

Like, it could guess because it guessed there. 4.5 to 4.7 million.

Mr. Beast

It's probably just going to look for any database online.

Joe Rogan

8 to 12 million professional content creators worldwide. Wide depression. Depending upon how professional is defined, roughly 200, 300 million people identify as content creators globally in 2026. Holy bam. Holy.

Mr. Beast

Are they making money? Are they right? Yeah, this seems relatively like it got the gist though.

Joe Rogan

Yeah, it got it. It wasn't a problem. Jamie, you were pessimistic, but we don't have an answer. It's given us 300 million rough data. The rough data is 8 to 12 million professional content creators. Creators. 200. 300 million people identify as content creators. So out of those, which kind of makes sense that, you know, a small percentage of them are going to be able to figure out how to make a living entirely off of it, one analyst estimates that about 4% of creators are professional, meaning they treat content creation as their main job and earn a full time living. So that, that's, that makes sense. Yeah, that seems about right. And that's about right. With content of a lot of things. Yeah, it's, there's a bunch of people try it. And a small amount of people actually like, if you think about how many people, if you go to an open mic night on in stand up comedy and how many people are actively participating in open mic nights where they visit one or two open mics a week and how many will eventually become professional standup comedians and make a living off of it, you're probably in the same range of like 4% or something like that. That probably less.

Mr. Beast

Yeah, it makes sense. But the interesting part is that number is going to keep skyrocketing year over year. I don't see any signs that any of this stuff is slowing down.

Joe Rogan

And so especially if people see that this is a real path, this, this, this isn't a pie in the sky dream. There's a lot of, I mean, at

Mr. Beast

this point, if they don't see it, then, I mean, I don't know what to tell you. I mean, I'm literally spending hundreds of millions of dollars a year or investing hundreds of millions of dollars a year into content. And so, I mean, it shows what the upper bounds look, look like.

Joe Rogan

Well, you're really wise in that regard is that you spend so much money dumping it back into the, the business. And by doing that, your content is just so much more advanced than anybody else's. And that's such a big risk because a lot of people would say, I'm making all this money. Who knows when this is going to end. Let me squirrel this away and make sure that I've got money saved up forever. You just like it, let's just spend it, go hard.

Mr. Beast

Well, it's what I used to call the, um, creators would back in the day reach like 5 million subscribers. And then it was a real inflection point that I would notice where they'd either keep growing or that's where they'd start to teeter off because it's around the time where they'd start to make good money. And it's either like, okay, now they have a house, they have a car, paid off. And like the ones that are really money motivated, they kind of got that security. And so that that burning fire that was pushing them to do crazy things, like, kind of started to die off. And like, it's like the Fermi Paradox, like for quite a few people, people, it's around that range is where you see like your favorite creators start to get lazy, upload less, not put as much effort and not care as much. And so. But yeah, I never really had any of that. I just like, you know, I mean, like, I probably talked about last time we were on here. I used to live in an apartment that I would share that was $720 a month. So like 360 rent. And I drove a 2006 Dodge Durango that cost a couple thousand bucks. And I just didn't have any liabilities. So I was just like, screw it. I'll just keep my lifestyle cheap so I could just reinvest it all.

Joe Rogan

And, you know, that's so wise. Most people don't do that. And most people don't have the discipline to work as much as you do.

Mr. Beast

Well, and yeah, the harder part too is when you have the pressure of your parents and stuff. And I don't know, I'm weird. Like when my mom would, I mean, as sad as it sounds like, she would literally cry sometimes and be like, I'm just so worried you're going to lose everything. Like, what if these videos stop getting views? And I don't know what would come over me, but I'd be like, it'll be fine, Mom. Don't worry. And I just like, very commonly just say it to her. I wouldn't argue with her. I'd be like, just, just have faith.

Joe Rogan

Well, you were right.

Mr. Beast

I know. And we're great now, but it's up to parents.

Joe Rogan

Parents always worry about their kids.

Mr. Beast

Exactly. So I don't think it's like she was doing anything wrong, but also purposes like she was doing the right thing. It's just. So you also have to overcome that pressure as well because there's so many forces around you. Or even if you believe in yourself, all it takes is one person, like saying something like that puts self doubt in you and then you're like, okay, you know, but that's where I'm a big believer. If you really want it, just keep your liabilities low, like live below your means. And that way it's like, you know, it's a little easier to be riskier if you aren't, you know, have all these things you got to afford. Because what really changes if you fail?

Joe Rogan

That's definitely smart. But there's something happens also to people where just the constant grind of work, it diminishes their enthusiasm and they lose their perspective. They lose this perspective of God. You're so fortunate to be able to do this. Yeah, you're so fortunate.

Mr. Beast

Exactly.

Joe Rogan

And people just get really complacent. It's. It's so easy for people to just forget how fortunate they are to be able to do what they're doing.

Mr. Beast

Yeah. And I'll admit it, sometimes I get hit with that where, you know, it'll be a late day of shooting and I'm in an airport and, you know, a bunch of people are following me around and filming me and I'm like, ah, you know, and you get those thoughts in your head where it's like, this is really the life I wanted. And you like, start to like, be like, ah, you kind of regret your decisions, but then you gotta like, snap out of it. And you're like, okay. Like the small subset of time. Yeah, it might be brutal, but for the most part I'm doing dope stuff. Like, I'm in the pyramids, I'm in the Roman Coliseum. I'm doing like beautiful, amazing things. I get to entertain and, and help people. And it's like. And you just have to. I think it's very important you're around people who like you. If you have a group of people around you who, when you get in those negative thought loops, encourage it and help you spiral, then it's bad. But if you have people who are in which, you know, not everyone in my position has, like, people who are, you know, willing to tell them how it is, right? Who are just like, bro, grow up. Like, it's fine, you know, this will be done in 20 minutes. And then, you know, your life's pretty good. Like, you, you know, it's. It's like a. It's a weird thing. Like you really. Because, like, I've had some of those conversations with people where I give Them, the perspective. And I can tell like they haven't had that perspective fed to them in a very long time. And you can like see it in their eyes. They'll be like, yeah, you're right. And it's like, yeah, you really need some like better people around you because you feel like you're, you're like spiraling in these like really weird thoughts. But like if you look at it objectively, it's not as bad as you think.

Joe Rogan

That's the really difficult resource to acquire is being around positive people, powerful people, people that really get things done and people that are motivating and people that are really exciting. That's because so many people half assed things, so many people do just enough, just barely enough. You're supposed to go all the way. You go three quarters of the way. You know, so many people, so many people just, they don't. But if you're around someone who really gets after it and really is enthusiastic and really is powerful and very positive, then it's contagious.

Mr. Beast

It literally is, it's infectious and it makes something mundane, honestly fun too. And especially if you respect each other and then it just like, it really compounds and so, so important. Like even at this stage, like I say for newer younger entrepreneurs or people trying to be content creators or friend groups, everything, even at the stage I'm at, it's really is because you are like, you think, speak, talk, act like the people you're around and like, like they say show me the five people around the most, I'll show you what your future is. And it, it applies at every level, you know.

Joe Rogan

So my friend Brian Simpson has a great saying. He says you can't be your own boss and be a shitty employee.

Mr. Beast

Wait, elaborate on that.

Joe Rogan

So if you work for yourself, if like you're the one who's out there doing it, you know.

Mr. Beast

Yeah.

Joe Rogan

Like so you don't work for anybody but you also can't be a lazy half ass employee. He's like, you can't be both things. He goes, if you're going to be your own boss, you better be a great employee. And I was like, oh, like you can't be your own boss and a shitty employee.

Mr. Beast

Yeah.

Joe Rogan

Like if you are going to work for yourself, you got to get some shit done. Because that's a very rare position to be a person that works for themselves. Do the thing you actually love to do.

Mr. Beast

Yeah.

Joe Rogan

And I think one of the things that's really powerful about this time as opposed to any other time in history is that there's so many conversations like this where you get to hear from a guy like you who is doing that. So people, young people who are listening to this right now, they listen to you like, this fucking Mr. Beast is just getting after it, man. I want to do that. And instead of like hanging out with your friend and just gets stoned and plays Call of Duty all day and is always complaining about everything in his life and. But meanwhile he doesn't do anything. You're like, that's not how I want to think and behave. But that guy is. And so you get examples outside of your own personal social circle, because maybe they don't know a Mr. Beast, maybe they don't know someone who's out there doing whatever they want to do with their life, but they get examples of it online and they can listen to these people talk and they get inspired.

Mr. Beast

Exactly. And if I would assume you have a lot of parents who watch these that, you know, have kids and. And I would encourage the parents to like the last three minutes of what he just said, they're like, maybe play that for your kids. And I can like go on top of it to say, because I agree, I don't think enough young people get exposure to this kind of mindset that, you know, you, it really is time friend group, you know, iterations on certain thing and consuming all knowledge available. It's those four things. And do those four things and like, you'll make it further than you can imagine. And like, you know, there's outliers like you. This is what like skews a lot of people's perception is they'll find an outlier of like, well, this person became very hyper successful in this thing, but they didn't do those four things. And there's, there's outliers everywhere. But if you look at statistically the average, right, the person listening to this, you're not going to be this one in a million freak outlier. Statistically, you know, if you want to make a good income doing something you're not currently doing and you're not currently very knowledgeable in it or have much experience, it's just those four things find those people put in the time do. But it's like if, if you just listen to every Joe Rogan podcast, you're not going to be a great podcaster. So it's time plus iteration, right? You would have to go do an example of that would be do 500 mock podcasts while also consuming all of Joe Rogan's podcast. Right. So you're doing both, while also consuming all knowledge available about podcasts, while also surrounding yourself with other people who want to be podcasts. And then, yes, this podcast might have blown up in a year, but statistically that's not going to happen. Right. You have to give yourself, like the average might be four or five years, and some people like me, take 10 years. And you just have to be so in love with the journey that you're cool with it. You're just like, I'm just going to do it till it works out. And you know, it could be as soon as this. More than likely they'll be here, but there's a chance it could be there. And if that freaks you out and then scares you, then you probably don't love it enough. But if you're like, well, I'll have fun while I'm doing it, then, yeah, do those four things over the long horizon. And you know, again, I. You probably won't make $100 million, but if you want to make $100,000 a year or whatever, it's not out of the realm of possibility. And just those sentences alone for a young person, they hear it, it opens like a third eye in their mind where they've just been told they're all life, go to college, get a job. This doesn't even exist to them, you know?

Joe Rogan

Yeah. Again, it's like you have to be concerned about the process and doing a thing that you love to do and trying to get better at it. And you know, it's like, let's say you want a million dollars. Well, you could win the lottery. You might win the lottery, but the odds are very low. Or you could find a bunch of people that work really hard. And what did they do? Well, they just kept working hard and they figured out what it is they do and they made money. Like, yeah, do. That's probably more likely.

Mr. Beast

Yeah.

Joe Rogan

So just go in the general direction. And who knows, along the way, you might hit it quick, Something might happen really quick, or you might figure something out and you might be an outlier. But the point is the process is available and the process is available to anybody. You just keep doing something, you'll get better at it. Be objective, be self analytical. Like, recognize what you're doing wrong and what you're doing right and get better at it and constantly try to improve. And just because something doesn't exist as what is your occupation, you know, in a form from 2001, doesn't mean it's not a real job, you know, and just because you can't tell people. You know, if I told people at a cocktail party in 2009 that, oh, I'm a podcaster, like, that means zero. You tell them today, they go, oh, amazing.

Mr. Beast

Yeah.

Joe Rogan

How long you been doing that? You know, like, it's a job now, right? So how did it become a job? A job? Because people figured out how to make it a job, and they did it and it worked. And so there's a process. So that process exists with virtually anything you want to do that somebody does for a living. I don't care if. If it's rock and roll star, standup comedian, novelist. There's a thing out there that you want to do that someone is making a living. But meanwhile, there's going to be people that's like, oh, the odds of you making it and that. Like, okay, yeah. Is that what we're doing? We just playing odds? The odds of your dying are 100%.

Mr. Beast

So once you. You adopt this mindset, though, then the. The naysayers go from being brutal to actually being good. Because now the naysayers are what. Stop other people from doing the thing you're doing, which actually increases your odds.

Joe Rogan

Right.

Mr. Beast

So once you get over the hump where, you know, you reach a certain point where you know someone as you're going on the climb, like, where someone going, this is stupid. This is unrealistic, or whatever, where you just, like, it starts to feel like it goes from like, something that makes you nervous and keeps you up at night to like, you don't even really care anymore because you've just heard it so many times, times. And then it's like, but there are people who hear it and they quit, and so it's technically a benefit for you. So I like to always. Not always, but on a lot of things. I like to try to spin it as, like, a positive, too. Like, what this thing. That's annoying. Well, what's the positive side of it? And the positive is, technically, it'll make less people do the thing you're doing, which makes it easier for you, but.

Joe Rogan

I guess it does. But I don't ever think that way. I just think if someone can do it, you can do it. And the problem is you have to make sure that you're not spending too much time doing it the wrong way.

Mr. Beast

Way.

Joe Rogan

And so that's where it helps, that someone's already paved the path.

Mr. Beast

Oh, yeah. I mean, if you can get a mentor.

Joe Rogan

Here's the real question. So, 2009 content creators, there's very few of them Right. What is. What are we missing? Like, what is. What is going to be a job that no one sees coming? That's going to be, like a content creator or a YouTube creator 10, 15 years from now, you know?

Mr. Beast

Oh, gosh. I mean, it would have to be something with AI that you couldn't even see now.

Joe Rogan

So what could it even be? Like, what would it be that people are missing that other people are gonna.

Mr. Beast

It's changing so quick. Like, my brain can't even comprehend it.

Joe Rogan

Like, Nobody even thought OnlyFans would be a possibility, that there'd be a large amount of girls that just show their naked body for a living.

Mr. Beast

Yeah.

Joe Rogan

I mean, and not even for a living. Like, most of them don't even get paid very much, but a lot of them have only fans paid something. Some crazy number. It's like 10% of girls 18 to whatever, have OnlyFans.

Mr. Beast

Is that in the U.S. yeah. Wow.

Joe Rogan

That's a nutty number.

Mr. Beast

It's crazy.

Joe Rogan

Yeah. And an enormous number of people subscribe. Yeah. I think it's like literally half of American males have at one point in time subscribed to OnlyFans.

Mr. Beast

That can't be real.

Joe Rogan

I think it's like 150 million.

Mr. Beast

Holy crap.

Joe Rogan

Yeah, I think it's crazy. I think the numbers are crazy high.

Mr. Beast

I mean, I. I mean, where my head's going. If we're trying to predict the future, maybe it'd be like, AI filmmakers or like something like that. But I don't even.

Joe Rogan

But I mean, what are you doing there? You're doing just recreating the prompts and making things like, yeah, it's lame, but what are we missing? Because the YouTube thing, nobody saw that coming. The podcast thing, nobody saw that coming either.

Mr. Beast

Only fan stuff's not new, though. It's just changed the money. Yeah. From normal ads to subscription. Playboy.

Joe Rogan

What? Also centralized it in, like, where Playboy was always a thing where you had to get picked by Playboy, you know, now all you have to do is just take a photo of your box

Mr. Beast

and there's always the local.

Joe Rogan

Yeah. I mean, but it's not centralized. Like, only fans is where you go there. And there's like thousands and I don't know how many more than that. Content creators, you know.

Mr. Beast

Yeah. I don't know. Time will tell.

Joe Rogan

Yeah, time will tell. Tell. But it's just such a fascinating world that we live in, where the number one most watched show in the world is yours. Like, you have the number one. Well, if it's on YouTube, then it's the number one, most watched show, period. Yeah, it's in the known universe. Well, right now you're the most watched person in the known universe.

Mr. Beast

I, I opened it up on the the way because I, I figured we'd talk about the size of the show. In the last 90 days on just, just our main channel, it's like around 850 million unique people have watched a video in the last quarter.

Joe Rogan

That's so crazy.

Mr. Beast

So we're doing around 4 billion views a month.

Joe Rogan

850 million people is so crazy unique

Mr. Beast

too, because we do, we did around 12 billion views in the last 90 days on just the main channel. And of those 12 billion views, like, whatever, 8% of them are different humans. So it's like factually like 850 million. Like when I say that people are, are like, oh, that's 850 million views. So like, you know, 80 million. But no, it's 12 billion views, 850 million unique. So it's just like, it's crazy, man. And it's like, what's fascinating is you, like 10 years ago, like, even with cable or whatever, 20 years ago, 850 million people didn't use the same platform. Right, Right. It's like you wouldn't have even been able to reach that many people, even if you're the biggest in anything. It's like a very interesting time where essentially, as Internet usage grows worldwide wide outside of China, so does YouTube usage. Because if you Google something, YouTube pops up or, you know, now if you're gemini ing something, you know they'll eventually have YouTube. Or if you buy an Android phone, which most phones have their operating system, YouTube's there. So like everyone, just as you use the Internet, you end up on YouTube. And so that's why, you know, even though it's whatever, theoretically, 3.2 billion monthly active users, I would be shocked if they didn't hit 4 billion in a couple years and keep growing. Like it shows no signs of stopping as the Internet's growing. And so it's like, like to be number one on this platform that is basically mirrored to the Internet is like, it's crazy. It's a really wild opportunity.

Joe Rogan

And because it's a platform where anyone can upload, the variety of content is extraordinary because there's no gatekeepers. Look, a lot of it's trash and nonsense, but there's so many interesting shows. There's so many, many interesting shows on science, on cosmology, on history, on fill in the blank. There's so many people that just have a passion For a certain thing and they made a channel and now that channel all of a sudden has.

Mr. Beast

Pages are very similar probably. I have so many like old history videos where it's like some old guy that's just breaking down World War II battle scenes or whatever. Agreed. And like they go as niche as possible down to like this is like the most, you know, largest fights in history and like a ranking of like the top 10, you know, deadliest fights or. Yeah, like I would say like a third of my homepage is like just

Joe Rogan

history videos was here. YouTube uploads users upload roughly 500 hours of video every minute.

Mr. Beast

Okay. Not to be that guy. That's. That's very outdated, I believe. But maybe, or, or actually no, no, sorry. So people watch a billion hours a day on YouTube, I believe. So this is upload. Nevermind. This might be accurate.

Joe Rogan

So 500 hours of video every minute. Minute three. 30,000 hours per hour uploaded. 720,000 hours are uploaded per day. Watching just one day's new uploads would take over 82 years.

Mr. Beast

Day.

Joe Rogan

Whoa.

Mr. Beast

YouTube. YouTube. Well, this is the 20 million videos uploaded a day that's quoting. That was probably before shorts. I bet you now that so many people are posting, you know, short, short. It's probably like way higher now.

Joe Rogan

That's nuts. But I mean, but what's what we're talking about, like having a platform like that where anybody can upload anything.

Mr. Beast

Yeah.

Joe Rogan

It just makes the variety so intense.

Mr. Beast

Yeah.

Joe Rogan

Like there's anything you want to watch, any video you want to watch on nature, any video you want to watch on. You have a question about science, just put it in there. And there's some guy who's got a one and a half hour lecture on it.

Mr. Beast

Exactly.

Joe Rogan

It's nuts.

Mr. Beast

And that's the, the beauty to tie everything as like a bow. That's why you can learn anything and you can do anything you want for a living for the most part. If you allocate the time. Because it's all there. There's literally on YouTube, Harvard classes that are recorded the same thing. You would go into crippling debt to like to attend. It's literally there for free. Right. It's all there. All knowledge is available there. And if you, you know, it's. It's not easy. Right. No one's laying out like, like how you're doing with the mothership. Here's A to Z on how you could become a Cam Patterson. It's not necessarily there, which is why it's hard. Hard. But you can all the ingredients are there. You just have to go collect it, put them together and put in the work to get A to Z being, you know, the career you want to do. It's because all the knowledge is there ever. Like even. I've literally gone on podcasts countless times and said everything I know about YouTube with no gatekeeping whatsoever. I've literally had people. Where was it? I was in some gym, this, I think it was in LA or whatever, in between shoots, just working out. And a guy literally came up to me and I. No idea who he is, but he's like, I have 3 million subscribers on YouTube. I started like 18 months ago and like, I just listened to one of your podcasts and I just did like exactly what you said. And I got a friend group, I started obsessing over it and you know, and I did like these analytical things and I just like quit my job a couple months ago and I was like, no shot. This is like a coincidence. You were like, you're like tracking me or anything. He's like, no. And he's in gym clothes, sweaty. He's like, I was just running on the treadmill. And I just wanted to tell you that like, I literally just quit my job and I'm making more money because I just listened to one of your podcasts and I was like, whoa. And it was, it was crazy. But I've had experiences like that, that countless times where like these, these things, which is why I'm so passionate about sharing. It, like opens people's minds. And he's like, yeah, I just, I didn't realize that was a possibility in life, you know?

Joe Rogan

Well, that's you, you're, you're coming from life with a, with a perspective of feast, not famine. And that's the, the good thing about it, that there's, there's enough opportunity for everybody.

Mr. Beast

And I have a contrarian view on that because a lot of creators do see other creators as competitors, but I've always been like, like, like if someone's doing well, I don't get threatened. I'm like, yo, let's just film together like collaborators, not competitors. Like what? There's literally trillions of views going around. If you think this person getting an extra, even if they crush a billion views a year has any impact on me, like, you're crazy. It has no impact. You know what I mean? There's, I mean, people are sometimes spending four or five hours, you know, a day consuming content, right? They watch their little 20 minute video, you know that they upload every two weeks, no impact whatsoever. And so I think it. And I was really the first person to kind of adopt that mindset. And more people are doing it now. But yeah, that's why I go and share everything, like, literally to a T. And like, I'll help people make. You know, some people end up making millions of dollars that I've helped mentor. And I'm just like, yeah, it's just fun, you know, because they always ask me, like, why are you doing it? I'm like, why not? You know what I mean? What's. What's the downside?

Joe Rogan

It's only positive. It's an abundance mindset. And that. I think the Internet encourages that, fortunately, because television is the opposite of that. So television, the problem was there was only a certain amount of slots. So if the Mr. Beast show was on NBC and then there was another guy who was on CBS, he might also be at 8pm on Wednesdays. You're like, fuck that guy.

Mr. Beast

Yeah, true. I'm not gonna give him my secrets.

Joe Rogan

Yes, you would. Never. But because the fact that YouTube is available literally to anybody, and the amount of people that are viewing it is so immense. It's an abundance. And you treat it like that and it actually just makes you grow. So it's awesome.

Mr. Beast

It's also, if you share with people, they'll share with you. And there's no one who will, at this point in my career, you know, be able to go tell me something that'll make me 10% better. But there are infinite amounts of people that can make me a better storyteller or better, you know, at like, you know, leader or better communicator, better at set design. And it's like, it's more about grabbing those point 1% here and there and like, adding them together. And so, like, you know, sometimes I'll give someone something that, you know, might fundamentally change everything for them, but then they'll teach me something very small and I'm like, oh, that's actually very useful. And if I retain it, I could see how, you know, that'd be really cool on like, on the set design, on how we could do a background or like, hey, after X amount of feet, you don't need as much detail. So now we can put more time into like the detailed stuff up front. But, you know, and sometimes I'd be too particular on things really far. Like, it's all these little things that you just accumulate over being around different people with different expertise. And you just have to like, yeah, you just have to like, some people don't see the value in that kind of stuff. But you can learn anything or you can learn something from almost anyone. And I do believe that because that's. Everyone has, like, different things and different experiences and stuff like that, especially as a content creator, because you're also making content for millions of people. So even just learning, you know, what a normal person is going through or what their life is like is helpful for being able to relate with them and through the content or make something that is interesting to them. So if you approach people like that, where it's like, I can learn something from you no matter who it is, it's also. I feel like not many people take that approach either.

Joe Rogan

Fuck, yeah, dude. I think your approach is very valuable for a lot of people to hear and very valuable for young people to hear here. Because if they just follow those principles and just follow your passion and really be disciplined and focused, you could do a lot of things in this life.

Mr. Beast

Exactly.

Joe Rogan

You'd be like, Jimmy, you could.

Mr. Beast

Probably not. Statistically not. But statistically not. Could you be a person with a couple less zeros and all the numbers? Of course.

Joe Rogan

Yeah. And also just be enjoying your life because you're doing something you want. You're actually creating something.

Mr. Beast

Yeah.

Joe Rogan

And something you'd be proud of and something that people enjoy and that makes you feel good that people are enjoying your work.

Mr. Beast

Work. Yeah. And. And speaking of something you're proud of. So since the last time I was on here, a big thing I've been working on is, are you aware of how many kids are, like, working illegal child labor on cacao farms? I think last time I was on here, we talked that about how I sell chocolate.

Joe Rogan

Yes. Yeah.

Mr. Beast

Do you know that there's over a million kids that work in illegal child labor on cacao farms?

Joe Rogan

Wow.

Mr. Beast

Yeah.

Joe Rogan

Where?

Mr. Beast

In West Africa. So Kotavar in Ghana, which is where, like, majority of the world's cacao comes from. That's. There's rampant child labor. You can ask for plenty of. I'd love for you to pull up data so we could see it. That I'm not just making it up. And when I think when I last came on here was right after I started a chocolate company and I had no idea, like, how bad it was. In the last few years, I've been trying to figure out how we can build our own supply chain where we can actually get kids out of illegal child labor. And there's. It's like, really? I don't know if you're interested in it, but there's Like, a lot of stuff. I'd love to share on that.

Joe Rogan

No, that's very cool.

Mr. Beast

Yeah. So basically, if. Just ask Perplexity, how many kids work in childhood in West Africa on cacao farms. And right here, 1.5 to 1.8 million people or children. Yeah, it's pretty wild. And I had no idea. And it's been like this for decades. So it's so normalized in the chocolate industry that when I would talk to other people who work at chocolate companies or execs, they're just like, yeah, just kind of is what it is. That's how it works.

Joe Rogan

That's just how they get their chocolate, period.

Mr. Beast

Yeah, I mean, it's not all the labor. It's around, whatever, 46% of the labor. Labor. So if you were to work with. How it works is there's well over a million farms in those areas. And you don't buy from farms because they have no leverage. So farms form cooperatives. It's like these hundred farms will gather, aggregate their beans, so they have a little leverage, and they'll sell it to you. So you buy it from a cooperative, and statistically, 46% of those farms will have child labor. Some won't, Some will. And so you're buying at a cooperative level. And so when I went to all the biggest distributors and everyone that does all the sourcing for cacao, and I was like, so is there any way I can pay a premium and not have little kids work on my farms? And it literally didn't exist. And I was just so mind blown. And it really was frustrating because it just, like, it's not even. Did it not exist? Like, no one really seemed to, like, even think it needed to exist. I was like, you guys, like, these are kids. Like, you have no issue making billions of dollars in profit on little kids working on the farms. It was like a very weird thing.

Joe Rogan

That's crazy. So that's most chalk chocolate.

Mr. Beast

Well, majority of the world's cacao, as you saw, comes from West Africa.

Joe Rogan

So, I mean, holy shit, man.

Mr. Beast

Yeah, I know. And so that's what I. I mean, I'm thousands of hours deep into this. And so I met a different company called Tony Sciaccaloni, who is like a reporter who, you know, started talking about this and wait a minute.

Joe Rogan

His name is Chocolone Tony.

Mr. Beast

But the chocolate brand is Tony Chocolone. They did ethical sourcing. And I. I spent a lot of time learning from them. And like, I've just been on this journey with Feastables. It's how can we ethically stores, you know, feastables, cacao. And so we actually this is a fun thing I've never said publicly. So we, we started doing, working with certain farms. But then I started around seven months ago a big case study where we went to five villages that the average child labor there was like 45%. So 45% of the labor on the farms in these villages was illegal child labor. And we, we went on the doors and we collected every single data point, we knocked on every door we got. There's around 10,000 people that live in those five communities. We knew everything from the child labor rates to school attendance to everything. And then we've, throughout the last few years we've just been collecting tons of data on why kids work in child labor, how you get kids out of child labor, which most of it comes back to poverty. Big chocolate pays farmers so little that they just can't afford to not use children. So part of it is there's this thing called a living income reference price which looks at like the cost to actually live there. And you just guarantee your. So we guarantee 100% of our farmers that will pay a living income reference price price. And then we work with fair trade which the cooperatives, I was explaining to you, sometimes they're not democratically elected, right? So you can pay more money. But if the cooperative is like someone skimming off money or taking it, it doesn't flow through to the farmers. So we go through, we make sure it's complicated. It's like I thought this would be an easier problem to solve. This is a multi year journey for me. But we go to the cooperatives which again is just a collection of farms that pool their cacao so they have more leverage so you can't take advantage of them. And we make sure through fair trade that they're democratically elected cooperative. So the farmers actually get the money, we pay a living income reference price and in exchange for doing those things, they have to let us audit and remediate the child labor on the farms. And so in this five village case study that we did, there's around 10,000 people living in there. And about seven months ago there's around 550 kids that were in illegal child labor in those communities. And so then we started taking over sourcing from there. So we started doing our sourcing principles and paying the farmers living MRF Principal Fair Trade came in, come in, started paying the premium and now seven months later we just got the initial results after we did our check ins and Some of the communities we were getting so many kids out of child labor, there literally wasn't a school because kids just worked on the farm. So some of these, we literally built a school so they could go to school. Because the goal isn't just to get the kids out of child labor, it's also to get them an education. So they're not. Because if you grow up only working on a cacao farm, you have no education. So then you're basically doomed to working on it your whole life, you know, because you don't, you don't know anything else. Right. And so we just did our recent wave of check ins where we knocked on all the doors, check school attendance and everything. And so seven months ago was 550 kids, ish, roughly in illegal child labor. What do you think it was now? Basically six, seven months later, I don't know how many. We were able to get a 90% reduction and get it to where there's only like around 50 still in child labor with our first check in. And now we constitute a kid remediated out of child labor with two check ins. So that was just the first one. So technically by our books they wouldn't be fully remediated because, you know, there might have been an accident or whatever. So we like to double check it to make sure things are accurate. So we'll do another check in in the future. So they're not technically officially remediated, but it just shows that like it's possible to reduce the child labor in these areas like dramatically. Right. Like if you were to apply the things we did there, but macroly across the whole country, I mean you're talking, you could get swerves of hundreds of thousands of kids out of illegal child labor. And so my, the big wave I've been doing or been on is like step one is I have to prove it's possible so then we can start. You know, I, like most people like you, they just have no idea that there's this much rampant child labor in chocolate.

Joe Rogan

I had no idea until you brought it up.

Mr. Beast

I know, which is like crazy. And it's like, it honestly really frustrates me because no one has any idea and like everyone's just kind of cool with it. And I think part of the problem too is if you were to Google it, they use like confusing language or they're like, yeah, this is our ethical sourcing strategy. But at the end of the day, obviously most cows go into big chocolate and you know, they can say they're doing all these Things, but factually, there's all these kids in illegal child labor. Labor. So it's like, I mean, no one's

Joe Rogan

put in the effort that you're doing. What? You just said that.

Mr. Beast

Yeah.

Joe Rogan

And so that's amazing, man.

Mr. Beast

Yeah. And well, that's what I'm really excited about. And I just wanted to mention it a, because obviously your biggest podcast in the world, and I just want to educate people on it, that it's fucking crazy when you're buying chocolate. And yeah, I'm really excited, though, of what we're doing because I. We're essentially, with Feastables, building one of the most effective, like, systems for getting kids out of illegal child labor in the world. By. The more cacao we're sourcing, the more we're able to pay a living income reference price and then audit the farms and then get the kids into schools. And it's like, it's pretty interesting, like, with that village, you know, right now, you know, it went. It was a 90% reduction, went from over 500 kids in legal child labor down to 50. And obviously, we're not done. We're going to keep, over time trying to get those 50 out of child labor. But now imagine that if we can keep sourcing more cacao as we keep growing, and we could keep getting more and more kids out of legal child labor. And then eventually, because, you know, I have over a billion followers across all my platforms, you know, I can show these case studies and then just like, you know, berate Big Chocolate into switching over because they make billions of dollars a year in profit. They don't have to use child labor. And, you know, and I think step one is showing that it's actually possible to not use it, because right now, technically, there's not really a way you could, like, you know, I think what's

Joe Rogan

really important is getting people to understand that that's happening.

Mr. Beast

Exactly.

Joe Rogan

And you talking about it right now, now people will be aware of it, because I think the vast majority of people, me included, were not aware.

Mr. Beast

I know.

Joe Rogan

So then they hear, they go, wait, hold on. What about this company that I'm buying chocolate from? Are they using child labor? And they. And you know, and.

Mr. Beast

And technically, I can never like Feastables. I can't say it's child labor free because, you know, it's not like I have security cameras on the farm. A kid could just walk on it. And then, you know, well, he lied. Right. So I would be able to say making. We're doing everything we can to make it as ethically sourced as possible. And that's why I'm doing these case studies where I can literally, factually show, like, people knocking on the doors show, like, without a. Because obviously I know as I start to talk about this more, there's no doubt in my mind they're going to sue me. Because obviously Big Chocolate doesn't like the idea that, that people are learning that there's so many kids in illegal child labor. And because my microphone's so big, they're going to want me to be quiet. But in a perfect world, they'd hear these messages and they would have a soul and be like, you're right, we shouldn't make billions of dollars in profit off the back of little kids. Let's just put a little bit of the money towards getting the kids into school and putting people that, you know, aren't kids on the farms. And so ideally, that's what comes of it. We'll see in the long run. But right now I'm just really focused on building these case studies and, and really showing, like, in depth, exactly how they could do it. So then hopefully they just come around to, you know, give them the avenue to go, oh, we just didn't know. This is cool, cool, we'll start doing it. I mean, because technically there, there isn't really. Like, all these shopping companies are so old. Like, technically, the people who built and grew it, like the founders, they're dead, right? This is third, fourth generation people. Like, some of these people have never built a business from ground up. So maybe you could give them a little slack and be like, they just don't know any better and it's a problem they don't know how to solve.

Joe Rogan

Fuck them. They know.

Mr. Beast

I mean, I mean, they know they have cooperative. Because in a perfect world, if we could get them all to switch, I

Joe Rogan

mean, I don't maybe force their hand. I mean, maybe, maybe just making people aware of it will help force their hand.

Mr. Beast

If I wasn't the biggest, biggest YouTuber in the world, if, if I were, here's a crazy sentence that I do believe to be true. If I stopped caring about this issue and did Nothing, then them 1.5 million kids in illegal child labor. I guarantee you it wouldn't change at all. Like, it wouldn't change at all in the next five, ten years. Like, who else it's been look like, look at how many kids are in illegal child labor in West Africa on cacao farms. Okay, we're back.

Joe Rogan

All right, we're back.

Mr. Beast

Big Chocolate sent it at A tap.

Joe Rogan

Yeah, we've had this issue.

Mr. Beast

You're good.

Joe Rogan

But listen, man, it's just another example that you're an awesome guy. And the fact that you don't just care about money and you really care about doing the right thing and that you've decided to do this is just another example of why you're great.

Mr. Beast

Thank you. Well, and I wanted to educate people on that. And another thing I'd also, I think, is a thing that people should. Here is. Especially in America. Do you know that? I mean, it's probably not going to surprise you, but 40% of food that's produced in America ends up getting thrown away. I have heard that.

Joe Rogan

Yeah.

Mr. Beast

And it's. And so a lot of what we've been doing is working with. It's like working with nonprofits and setting up essentially, like, you know, so many stores and restaurants just throw away perfectly good food. Or, like, they'll have things. Like if something's, like, within a week of being expired, they just toss it out because whatever. But it's like, it's perfectly edible. There's literally nothing wrong with the food. And we've been just setting up, like many. There's a 501c nonprofit called Sharing Access, who crushes at this. And we've been funding and building, like, these small logistics hubs, like one in New York, you know, and we've been through them. And then also our food banks, we've been able to distribute over 40 million meals to people in need across America. And instead of, like, buying food and taking and storing and distribute it, just taking food that would have been thrown away but is perfectly fine and perfectly healthy and just, you know, figuring out how in a couple of days to just get it to food drives or people in need. And that's another thing, too. Illegal child labor and cacao. And that are, like, two things that I feel like people should just be aware of because it's a very solvable thing. You know what I mean? Like, if you work at a retailer, I'm sure a lot of people here do, that throws away perfectly good food because they're like, you know, you never. They never want to run a risk of something being bad on the shelf, so they'll preemptively throw it away. Just call a local nonprofit and be like, hey, we're this every week. We tend to throw away food around this time. Come pick it up. Like, little tweaks. Like, that is, like, so simple, simple. But would feed so many people in need and save us so much money and I feel like it's kind of a no brainer. And I've literally seen it in effect, like we're opening up another facility that, you know, over the next 12 months should be able to distribute around 10 million pounds of food. So whatever that is, maybe like 7 million meals. And it's like just taking food that would have been thrown away. And it's kind of like mind blowing that in America, like more people aren't aware of that because it's a very solvable thing. To be honest.

Joe Rogan

I think there's so many people that are only concentrating on what's going to make them money. And of course, you know, it's very rare that someone like you thinks about greater good and actually puts it.

Mr. Beast

On this case. It doesn't even. That one doesn't even cost you money. We're just talking about, instead of putting it in a truck, but the effort to, well, maybe one of you, if you're a Walmart or, I don't even know, some random store owner listening to this, just consider it. Don't throw the food away.

Joe Rogan

You're an awesome guy, Jim.

Mr. Beast

Me.

Joe Rogan

Thank you. Thank you for being here, man. It was really fun. I really appreciate it. Yeah, congratulations.

Mr. Beast

We got to make the zombie show.

Joe Rogan

Let's do it.

Mr. Beast

We're doing it.

Joe Rogan

Yeah, I think we should do it.

Mr. Beast

I'll handle all the work and stuff,

Joe Rogan

but you got to think about it some more too. Yeah, I'm, I'm going to, I'm going to bounce this around because I got excited. Yeah, I think there's something to it.

Mr. Beast

Next time, next time you see me and Joe together, it's going to be fighting off some zombies.

Joe Rogan

All right, sounds good. Thank you.

Mr. Beast

Awesome. Thanks for having.

Joe Rogan

Oh, my pleasure. Thank you. Bye, everybody. Sam,