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Carvana.com April 11, 1927 Shanghai, China's largest and most prosperous city, divided, run by gangsters and under siege. For a year, Nationalist troops under Generalissimo
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Chiang Kai Shek have fought their way
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along the country's eastern seaboard, dispatching warlords that have seized control from China's weak Republican government. Chiang is backed by the Soviet Union,
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but he's no leftist.
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In fact, his so called Northern Expedition has also targeted Communists, threatening to emulate their Russian counterparts and turn China red. The Communists, Chiang says, are a disease of the heart, and he intends to cut that disease out by any means possible. By March 1927, Chiang has reached the gates of Shanghai. But Shanghai is a different prospect altogether. A metropolis teeming with industry, trade unions and Communists outside the city's French Concession and International Settlement, its two foreign enclaves, Chinese Shanghai belongs to the Reds. Chiang's men are tired and war weary, underpaid.
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Some of Them were recruited from vanquished warlords.
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Chiang doesn't know how loyal they'll be when it hits the fan. And besides, Shanghai's City Council has made it clear that no Chinese troops will
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step foot foot on Shanghai's soil.
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Thousands of students and workers are out on the streets protesting, demanding that Chang step down, gather his men, turn around and get the hell out of Dodge. Even a victory under these conditions, Chang knows, would be Pyrrhic, if not pointless. He needs an inside man, somebody with clout, money and men. Somebody who can mobilise an army inside Shanghai, kill commies and pay authorities to
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look the other way.
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As Chang stalks the city's edge, an old friend pays him a visit. It's Huang Jinrong, mobster, pimp and greybeard of the Green Gang. A few years previous, Huang was the top dog in Shanghai's underworld. Ruthless and cunning, with a past as potted as his pockmarked middle aged face. But Huang is here to pass Chiang a message from the man who has overtaken him in the Green Gang.
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Du Yue Sheng.
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Big ears Du, the lanky leader of Shanghai's opium scene. Multimillionaire, casino magnate, business impresario, political big hitter. Du has decided that China's future lays with the Nationalists and Wang tells Chang he's ready to help cash to Chang's ailing men, the backing of Shanghai's merchant class, foreign weapons and a gangster militia ready to break the Reds. In return, Du tells Shang, you will remember me when you take Shanghai. Chiang agrees. Huang heads back into the French Concession and tells Duke Doo, then mobilises his Green Gang mobsters into an army packing arms and munitions purchased from his French and American friends. By April 11, they're poised to launch a full scale mafia insurrection. To ease the task, Du invites the leader of Shanghai's biggest trade union to
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his home for dinner.
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It'll be better for your union and
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your health, doo advises the man, if you switch allegiances to changing and his Nationalists. The man demures. Du leaves and heads upstairs to smoke opium. As he does, a pack of mobsters
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seize the unionist and beat him repeatedly,
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sending him to the floor, crushing his
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body beneath their boots.
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Dew reappears at the top of his grand staircase, surrounded by a trail of sickly opium smoke. Not here, he tells his men.
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Not in my house.
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The mobsters stop the beating, grab the man and wrap him in a burlap sack. Then they drive him outside the French Concession into a clearing and ignoring his desperate pleas, bury him alive. It's a gruesome merciless message from DU to Shanghai's leftists prepare for war. The Green Gang is coming to take over the entire city. This is the Underworld Podcast.
Sean Williams
Hello and welcome to the weekly podcast about organized crime hosted by two journalists have been in the field and spoke to scary people irl. I'm Sean Williams, a British reporter living in Buenos Aires. I'm so. I'm sorry.
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To those who just want more. Dale, I am back.
Sean Williams
My co host of course is New York City's World cup loving host. What attending? Enjoying.
Danny Gold
Yeah, that guy, Danny Gold. Why don't you tell me what it was like at the World cup final, you lovely man.
It was, it was festive. I learned they play halves, they don't play quarters, which is really interesting to. I did a bunch of, I did, yeah, it's true. I did a bunch of bits about not knowing anything about, about soccer to piss off people like you. And it worked out really well. Kind of, kind of a boring game, but I got some VIP access so there were some really good snacks. And the Argentinians like their, their cheering section was, was loud there. The, the best moment I think of the entire match was there was guys in a guy in a Mexico jersey for some reason Mexican fan, and he was getting into a fight with about 20 Argentinians. Towards the end of the game it got calmed down by the, by the New Jersey state troopers and then a guy from like 20 rows away from him also in a Mexico jersey was just like, hey, Viva Mexico. And they had like a nice little moment and that was, that was pretty much the highlights of it. But yeah, my, my messi. To score two goals in the final match bet did not pan out unfortunately. You know, what can you do?
You gotta, you gotta shoot to score goals. And I don't think what today, one shot. It was terrible.
Yeah, they were too busy beating up the, the Spaniards.
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Yes, that's true. But they've done that the entire tournament and I'll say no more.
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I'll probably go off on one at some point when I've got more energy.
Sean Williams
Yeah, I have not been at the World Cup. I've been somewhere slightly less, well, can I say less exciting. It's exciting in a way. There's a reason that I'm wearing my
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son's like audiobook headphones to record this show and that is because I just got back off three.
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I would say of the most devastatingly
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disastrous weeks of my entire life in
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Cuba, um, within the last like sort of seven days actually. I'm gonna just Extend that out. So the last 11 days, I've been beaten, robbed.
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Um, I've.
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Well, that included landed in a pile
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of dog, dog mess. Uh, then I got dengue, which I currently still have, which is no fun.
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And while I was away, my partner
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managed to move houses.
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So I'm sitting in an unfinished house, very tired, riddled with dengue. And thankfully, I've got some of my stuff back. But, yeah, it's. It's.
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It's been. It's been tough. Someday I'm gonna face down my trauma
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on this show, and you can hear the whole grizzly tale. But don't go to Cuba, folks. It is not. Is not good for your vacations, I think.
Yeah, yeah, we were whatsapping the entire time, me, you, and Dale. And at the risk of letting the banter continue on and on forever, I'll just say that you were descending into madness. I. Day after day after day. You could actually publish those WhatsApp chats. It was very like a Colonel Kurtz kind of moment. You know, I could just see you slowly losing your mind. If you would stay there for longer, you might have formed your own militia and just sort of like become a roving warlord of sorts. Maybe like a Haiti situation. But, you know, it reminds me I've had a couple experiences like that where you're kind of losing your mind. It's not always. The most dangerous place, I think for me was Central African Republic and burundi for like three weeks during the election there in 2015. I think the actual thing that makes you lose your mind, besides like, the violence and the chaos and the lack of infrastructure, is the humidity. Like, I've been in similar situations in.
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In.
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In the Middle east and drier countries, but you throw the humidity in and you just start descending into, like, you just start losing your mind, would you say? I mean, would you say that was part of why you were just completely going bonkers and I was actually starting to worry about you a bit?
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I would say I went about as
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close as to native as you could get. Surrounded by mosquitoes in a, like 95% humidity room with no fans, no power, no water, watching the neighbors slowly go twisted as well and just sort of running around in my wife front screaming like mine. Sheen.
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Yeah, so it was.
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It was pretty weird.
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And yeah, given that I got sort
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of bitten about, I don't know, like 10,000 times by mosquitoes in that epoxy room, I'm lucky that I don't have more than dengue, but dengue's not.
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Not much fun as me and my
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family are finding out because I am useless right now.
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But let's see if I can make
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it through the next, what, 45 minutes to an hour.
Sean Williams
You got this without passing out?
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It's 50 50.
Sean Williams
Anyway, yes, quick reminder, just follow us on all socials.
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We got loads of shorts and other stuff daily Patreon. I'm really going to get back on that now. I'm in Buenos Aires so I'm going to be doing more bonus interviews. Got show notes ad free ad free episodes.
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And yeah, further down the line you might even get the chance to name
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my next child through the Patreon.
So give that a look patreon.com podcast or sign up on Spotify or on itunes.
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That's correct. Underworldpod.com underworldpod.com for merch and get in touch because we love you and we
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get loads of really cool tips these days. Anyway, yes, that is enough of that. Danny's had a good time, I've had a bad time. Let's move on to the show.
Sean Williams
I told you that this three part
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was crazy and as you've probably surmised from the cold open, it's going to get a lot lot crazier. Guys.
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In part one we dove into the
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childhood and young career of Duyue Schweng when he was an orphan and then
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he was a gambler. Then he was a fruit stool worker and pimp, and then member of the shadowy Green Gang and finally ruler of
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Shanghai's lucrative opium market.
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Now despite being a low caste peasant, Du has glommed on to Green Gang leader Huang Jinrong and his Madame wife
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to become a Klee player in the underworld.
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And we left part one with dude bailing out the flailing Republican Chinese government to pay a mountain bandit a couple
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of million dollars for hostages that the
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bandit had taken during one of the
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era's most daring train heists. If you haven't already listened, probably go back and do so. Today's show will make a lot more sense, including why I actually went to Cuba. It wasn't for fun, but by doing this do Big Ears do is firmly
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ensconced in the firmament not just of Chinese organized crime, but also big business and polit. He's a hero.
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Not all heroes wear capes, but yeah, some have massive ears and smoke dope, just like Dumbo.
Except I think he was more of a drinker, right? What was he drinking? He was drinking booze or drinking liquid lsd, something like that.
Everyone Dumbo gets all yeah, moonshine. He's a vicious drunk as well. Horrible guy. Yeah.
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Around the same time, DO has managed to wrest control of Shanghai's booming opium
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trade from a rival Green Gang faction
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called the Big 8 Mobile by uniting the city's disparate gangsters and turning opium
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merchants against the Big Eight Mob's increasingly cruel bosses.
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And this is a black market worth tens, if not hundreds of millions of dollars. But before we take off from there, we really need to understand a bit
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more about the history of Shanghai, how
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it was divided and how that lent
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itself perfectly to a sprawling criminal network like the Green Gang.
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And we're going to get into the history of opium in China. Wars, concessions, and how prohibition and legalization
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help spur the rise of Duyue Schweng into one of the world's most powerful gangsters.
Yeah, I actually want to do an Opium wars episode one of these days. Maybe after, I think, reading Bertill Lintner's book, which gets into it a lot. But, yeah, definitely. Definitely something there for sure.
Yeah. Just don't ask him for help, because he is not gonna help you anyway.
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Let's do this. Shanghai. In case you don't know, this means
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literally, city on the sea.
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And that is where it is at the mouth of the mighty yangtze with
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the 3,400mile river meets the Pacific Ocean.
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Shanghai does have an ancient history, and by the 16th century, it's home to around 200,000 people wealthy enough to be targeted by Japanese pirates and bandits from the Chinese interior, which is when inhabitants build a city wall with six gates, a tiny bit of which still exists today. But Shanghai becomes a global city only
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in the middle of the 19th century,
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and only then because of opium and the British. Yes, my people are behind yet another
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tale of crime and destruction.
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Used to blow up entire Chinese cities,
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and now we stick firecrackers up our asses at football matches. How the mighty fall.
Oh, come on. You don't have to do the self aid here, man. What would the Gallagher. What would the Gallagher brothers say? You know? Come on.
Yeah, okay. We're great. Yeah. Yeah. We should have won that game. That was. That was awful, man. You should have been seeing us yesterday.
Because I could have sung if I was at the game. I know the lyrics to Wonder. I don't know any Argentinian songs. I know the lyrics to Wonderwirl. I could have sang along with you guys. Would have been fantastic.
You know it would.
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And did you see that third, fourth playoff game?
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That was insane.
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Yeah.
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Cause it was like the NBA All Star game. No one Played defense, everyone.
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Scored. It was great.
Beautiful. Good football.
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Anyway, yes, I'm determined to do a
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big show about the opium wars at some point.
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Remember them? Opium Wars?
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Yeah, we're talking about that. But for today's show, here is just a quick lowdown.
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Right, so in the middle of the 19th century, Britain, France, the US and
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other imperial powers are keen to grow their empires by forcing smaller nations to trade with them. They call it free trade at the time, but it's a lot more like gunboat diplomacy.
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Since 1757, China's Qing Dynasty, the dynasty that will fall in 1911.
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As Duyuexuang is coming up in the
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underworld, it decrees that only the city of Canton, which is modern day Guangzhou,
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will trade with the outside world, subjecting it to restrictions imposed by the government in Beijing.
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Britain calls this so called Canton system
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that uses it to work a canny three country deal.
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It ships Indian cotton and British silver to China and Chinese tea, plus some
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other stuff back to Britain.
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By 1800, British people have taken a
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liking to Chinese goods like porcelain, textiles, jade.
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And the trade balance is very much in China's favor. So Britain is having to pay for
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increased amounts of Chinese goodies in silver, which it doesn't much enjoy doing.
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So in the late 1700s, Britain tries
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to redress this imbalance by swapping the Indian cotton it's selling to China with
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India opium sourced by the British East
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India Company in its new colonies in Bengal.
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Within 20 years, the trade balance has reversed and the Chinese are now paying
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for opium, which their people really, really like in silver.
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But Danny, did you know there's actually a drawback in smoking opium?
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Sean, that's not actually true. And I don't like when you use the podcast to spread lies.
Okay, well, we'll get some fact checkers on that. Turns out the stuff is pretty Moorish, right?
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If you don't smoke it, you can suffer chills, nausea and cramps on your comedown. So you probably just smoke a bunch more.
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And when you do that, you don't
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do much of anything else.
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And when you Run out of cash
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to free your opium habit, you'll beg,
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steal and borrow to chase the dragon again.
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You know that feeling, right? I do.
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Whenever I fire up another Google Doc for the show.
Yeah. You know, people always want us to do some sort of live show or livestream. What's the thing that the nerds do? A twitch.
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Right.
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What if instead of writing an episode, we just smoked opium on Twitch, like on for like, you know, do it scream for like three, three days and just see what happens.
Sean Williams
Three days.
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Yeah.
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All right.
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Yeah, I'm up for will be.
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I don't know, I. I reckon it's going to be similar to dengue actually,
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but with slightly better highs.
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Anyway, the Chinese government realizes that this is becoming a problem, so it bans
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the production and importation of opium.
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By 1813, it has upped penalties for
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smoking the drug to 100 beatings.
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The British aren't fans of China's pesky
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concern for its citizens health.
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So it gets the East India Company to ship opium to China, park it off the Guangzhou coast and smuggle it
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onshore using a network of more than 100 Chinese smuggler boats.
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It's almost exactly like the rip on,
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rip off technique used by codecane cartels today. And it works.
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The Chinese keep getting high, albeit on the down low. And the Brits are making bank off
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their leading poppy based export.
So how come the Chinese aren't pumping you guys full of fentanyl? Like what did we do? You know what's, what's the problem here? You guys did all the, all the, all the, like reverse opium war should be against you guys, not us.
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Yeah, and they keep talking about it as well, so I'm not really sure,
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but I think we already have a pretty decent heroin epidemic. So maybe that, that is what I'm told is keeping that from the door.
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Yeah, but you get to have everything because it's America.
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That's true. We do like choices here.
Yeah, yeah.
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To counter all this, the Chinese emperor cracks down increasingly hard on opium sale and use. In 1836, he decides to shutter opium
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dens and execute Chinese dealers.
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Three years later, a Qing dynasty official
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writes a letter to Queen Victoria of Britain. What you are doing is immoral. He tells her. Presumably she claps back. What?
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And then he goes through a list
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of about a thousand things the British are doing before they get to opium. Ah, yes, that. Victoria replies. Probably. I think we'll keep doing that.
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The official steps up his anti opium campaign. He arrests over 1600 dealers and demands
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the Brits turn over their opium suppliers in return for tea. A good cuppa really hits the spot, but not quite like an opioid. The Brits refuse.
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Then the Qing seize opium on those British ships moored off Guangzhou, destroy it, and persuade Portugal to expel British forces
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from their colony of Macaulay, forcing them over to the island of Hong Kong. This the British do not appreciate.
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I thought we were all about free
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trade, they tell the Chinese, fingers crossed behind their backs, of course.
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In 1839, after a short bout of failed diplomacy, The Brits dispatched 16 war and merchant ships, mostly from opium giant
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Jardine Matheson Company, which still exists, to Guangzhou.
So would you say with all those warships that the, the oceans had become battlefields?
I, I would, I would. You just dropped another like rap reference or have I did a.
No, it's a reference to Master and Commander, the Russell Crowe movie that I think it's Russell Crowe everyone loves, but I actually, I gotta be honest with you, dude, I thought it was good. I wasn't like, this is the best thing, I didn't love it.
You know, I still gotta watch that one.
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I feel like I had the chance
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to watch it on a Chinese flight recently, but it was all in Chinese,
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which is a shame. Cue almost three years of British bombardment
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and street fighting, at the end of which the Qing dynasty signs a punishing surrender treaty to quiet the cannons. China agrees to do the pay Britain huge reparations because of course give it first look on opium deals ahead of any other country.
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Then something called extra territorial territoriality, meaning that any British citizens in China are
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subject to theirs and not Chinese law. Then you've got British control over Hong
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Kong and four new ports besides Guangzhou
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where the Brits can import their dope, including of course Shanghai.
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In 1856, a second Opium War breaks out, this time between China, Britain and France. The Franco British forces capture Guangzhou outright
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and then they fight their way north.
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By 1860 they reach Beijing, the seat
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of Qing power, where the British High
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Commissioner tells troops to loot one of
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the city's ancient palaces.
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The Qing Emperor flees to Manchuria in northern China. The result of this second war is European nations carving up even more Chinese
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territory for their so called concessions.
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These are called the quote unequal treaties
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by historians and for very good reason.
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And my favorite fact from this period
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is that Qingdao of lager fame was a German territory, which is why Tsingtao beer tastes exactly like a German pilsner.
No way, that's crazy. What about like Beer Lao? Because that was always incredible to me. And it made no sense, sense that it was made in, in Laos. Like it had to have a sort of origin story like that.
No, it must do because I bet the Germans were there as well. I don't know, let's, let's figure this one out. But yeah, Qingdao. When you look at the city, it's got all these like wooden fronted buildings, like it's in Munich or something. And they make it due to the, the hop rule, which is what it's like hops, barley and water and nothing more. Anyway, yeah, little fact for the, for the pub there.
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The Opium wars are a huge part of China's modern identity and kicked off what today's Chinese Communist Party has called
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the century of humiliation.
Sean, is it true that you refer to your 20s as the Decade of Humiliation?
And 30s and 40s? Correct, yes, including my lovely orange headphones. Anyway, this century humiliation Chinese century alumiation makes a lot of sense.
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Britain bombed China into submission so it could keep getting the Chinese people high on dope. It's a pretty crazy moment in history, as one historian puts it. Quote, if you talk to many Chinese about the Opium War, a phrase you
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will quickly hear is luo hu diu yao aida. Yes, I know, Danny. Listeners don't speak Chinese, so I'm going to translate it for them now. Literally, if you are backward, you will take a beating.
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The Opium wars are the era when
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Shanghai gets split up into its three constituent parts.
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Britain and the US create the International Settlement, the French have their French Concession
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and the Chinese govern, or more accurately fail to govern, the millions of Chinese living outside these rarefied foreign enclaves.
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Almost all modern amenities come to Asia
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through the International Settlement and French concession. Gaslights in 1865, the telephone in 1881,
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the electrical grid in 1882, running water
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84 and tramcars in 1901.
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Banking, shipping, construction, and of course, pharmaceuticals flourish.
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And merchants from Europe and North America flocked to what has now become a bona fide boom town.
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Writes the New York Times.
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Quote, in its heyday, Shanghai was the place to be. It had the best art, the greatest architecture and the strongest business in Asia.
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With dance halls, brothels, glitzy restaurants, international clubs and even a foreign run racetrack.
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Shanghai was a city that catered to every whim of the rich.
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But poverty ran alongside opulence and many of the lower class Chinese provided the
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cheap labor that kept the city running.
To be fair, isn't that pretty much like every city?
Yeah, it is. Yeah, that's correct. I think it's more the glitzy stuff that, yeah, made Shanghai stand out.
Sean Williams
But anyway, we got into this a bit in the previous show, but basically each of Shanghai's three divisions acts independently of the others, meaning that enterprising gangs like the Green Gang can operate fluidly, paying officials in either division off against each other. And like state lines in the US, cops rarely cross. As late as the summer of 1925, there is still no phone line connecting
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the police of the French Concession with
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the International Settlement, writes Brian Martin, storyteller extraordinaire.
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If you remember last week's show, quote,
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Such a situation of divided and conflicting police jurisdiction allowed the gangsters to flourish
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and to extend their own organisational systems.
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They could set themselves up in one jurisdiction and conduct armed robberies, kidnapping and
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narcotics trafficking in the other two jurisdictions.
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And they could safeguard their base by bribing the local beat policemen and even
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relatively senior police officials.
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This allows certain Green Gang factions, like
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that of Du and Hwang and the
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Big Eight mob, to scale from piecemeal banditry to serious organized crime in just
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a few short years.
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For a while, they functioned like highwaymen, committing crimes in one part of the city, then retreating to lairs and hideouts in the no Man's lands between them.
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So it's basically like three massively wealthy, or maybe not massively wealthy because the people are poor, but with wealth being generated, massive wealth being generated, Border cities right next to each other. And like, I mean, you guys know how often we talk about border cities and the magic of them and for organized crime and smuggling and then you throw in this sort of like international port and it's just, it's a recipe for a good time, you know, and an insane underworld too.
Yeah, it is.
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And it's the only place on earth,
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I think, at the time that didn't need any kind of visa to live there. You could just rock up and then set up whatever you wanted there.
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So these gangs, they get bigger, they consolidate, and then they just discover, why bribe the cops when we can just become the cops? Authorities in all three of Shanghai's jurisdictions realize they can't contain the gangs by themselves. According to Brian Martin, quote, on the principle of using a thief to catch a thief, police forces recruited the most powerful and successful gangsters into their detective squads. These gangster detectives, in effect, were compradors of violence. In return for their assistance in maintaining order among the Chinese population, the authorities allowed them to continue with their own illicit rackets as long as they did
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not become too much of an embarrassment for the administration.
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Now this is probably most prevalent in the French Concession, where Parisian colonial bureaucrats
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are constantly terrified they'll lose control of
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their most valuable possession.
Danny Gold
In the Far East, Gallic paroxysms of
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paranoia sputter loudly enough that they'll make
Danny Gold
deals with anyone to keep the peace
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from threats, real or imagined, which leads them into the arms of the Mob. By the mid-1920s, this kind of cop gangster nexus has gone so far as to consolidate the Green Gang into three
Danny Gold
or four major groups, with members working
Sean Williams
as cops, running everything from pickpocket rings to opium trafficking, gambling dens and human trafficking networks. So tight is the Big eight mob's grip on Shanghai's Chinese area that one journalist at the time quips that, quote,
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almost every detective on the force had a criminal record.
Sean Williams
But the corruption doesn't even stop there, because foreigners have this special legal status
Danny Gold
where they can't be touched by Chinese courts.
Sean Williams
Gang bosses pay foreign consuls to get their nation's citizenship. One drug kingpin in the Chinese area winds up being half Chilean, while Duyuexuang
Danny Gold
manages to bag himself a Portuguese passport.
Sean Williams
But despite the brothels and casinos and docks and market stalls, the biggest criminal
Danny Gold
money spinner during this era is always
Sean Williams
opium, the narcotic that has fueled Shanghai's
Danny Gold
modern birth and its rise into a global city.
Yeah, I mean, that's crazy. Like, I obviously knew about opium use and the Opium War, but didn't know it really gave birth to Shanghai or modern Shanghai in a way that, you know, cocaine kind of does to Miami.
Sean Williams
Yeah, it's kind of like a chicken or egg thing.
Danny Gold
Like, was Shanghai a great place to process the. Because of the stuff that I just mentioned with the lawlessness? Or is the lawlessness because Shanghai was just this gigantic drug port?
Sean Williams
Either way, in 1912, the drug had been placed under international prohibition. But as with alcohol in the United States, this only serves to push the
Danny Gold
market even further underground, Quote.
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In both countries, Prohibition encouraged the growth
Danny Gold
of a vast illicit traffic that provided the economic basis for the development of organized crime in the major cities, writes
Sean Williams
Brian Martin, and helped to define the
Danny Gold
ways in which criminal organization interacted with the world of politics.
Sean Williams
By 1923, the year du Yue Xuan
Danny Gold
pays his whopping ransom to the trained bandits in Lincheng, opium addiction has grown
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so chronic on his home turf of
Danny Gold
the French Concession that French authorities decide to come down on it.
Sean Williams
They create an anti narcotics police squad
Danny Gold
and lead a call to relegalise the
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drug to take it out of the
Danny Gold
hands of Doo and his Green gang,
Sean Williams
Cronies So intertwined with officialdom is the
Danny Gold
Green Gang by this point, however, that
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many believe the gangsters are actually behind
Danny Gold
the push for legalisation. The plan has dropped, but opium dealing is chronic enough that it is sold
Sean Williams
in packets bearing the official seal of
Danny Gold
the Shanghai Bureau for the Prevention of Opium and Drug Smuggling. That ain't good.
Sean Williams
Neither is the fact that Shanghai's opium kingpins are now out trading on the
Danny Gold
open seas, especially the Big 8 mob,
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which is working alongside Japanese and Taiwanese
Danny Gold
mobsters to get opium in and out of China.
Sean Williams
By the mid-1920s, pretty much every factor
Danny Gold
of Shanghai's politics and geography has handed it to the Green Gang.
Sean Williams
And it's about to get a lot worse. Before we come back to that, though, you might have noticed I haven't much mentioned the name of Huang Jinrong, the Green Gang boss who'd handed Du Yuehuang
Danny Gold
his path within the organization.
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The King of Vice, whose wife has
Danny Gold
first taken a liking to Du's gambling den management skills.
Sean Williams
That's because in 1924, when du has risen almost to the top of the group and taken the Big Eight Mob's
Danny Gold
opium market, Hoang makes a mistake that will cost him his criminal status.
Sean Williams
See, Hwang is canny, but he's old school, content with his patch, happy to skim off his French Concession contacts and
Danny Gold
see the money roll in.
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But he's also sucker for a pretty lady, and he dotes on a popular local singer, showering her with gifts and even building her a theatre. One night that year, the singer invites
Danny Gold
Hoang to her mansion for an opera performance.
Sean Williams
Performance. She's caterwauling away.
Danny Gold
He's loving it.
Sean Williams
But also in the audience is the
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playboy son of a prominent warlord, and he's not liking the singer one bit.
Sean Williams
In fact, the young scion heckles her, boos her. Hwang is incensed. Sure of his own status, he commands several of his men to beat the
Danny Gold
playboy up and boot him out of the mansion. Job done.
Sean Williams
Only a few nights later, Hwang is taking in another performance when a gang
Danny Gold
of men burst into the theatre, run
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to his seat, hold pistols to his
Danny Gold
head and haul him off to a jail cell where they beat him nearly unconscious. The warlord's son has flexed his own influence within Shanghai. Now Huang is behind bars, battered and bruised. This would never have happened years previous.
Sean Williams
It's a sure sign that the Green
Danny Gold
Gang godfather is losing his touch not just to rival gangsters, but to Duy
Sean Williams
Xuen, writes Brian Martin.
Danny Gold
Quote.
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For years, Du had grown quietly frustrated
Danny Gold
at the unambitious pace of Shanghai's drug
Sean Williams
trade and realized that a sharp minded operator could transform the sale of opium,
Danny Gold
morphine and heroin in China's biggest drug market into a single fabulously profitable enterprise.
Sean Williams
Huang had always been too old fashioned
Danny Gold
to do it himself. Du was more progressive.
Sean Williams
Du pulls together an enormous wad of
Danny Gold
cash and bails his boss Hwang out of jail. Hwang has lost face.
Sean Williams
He might have been saved by Du,
Danny Gold
but in reality it's a quiet coup.
Sean Williams
The following year, a rival gangster pays French Concession authorities a bribe to boot
Danny Gold
Hwang from his prestigious position within the French police as Brian Martin quote the
Sean Williams
old man was relegated to the status
Danny Gold
of an honored elder, respected but powerless. Du Yueheng was now the real power in Shanghai by 1925, therefore, Du is at the very top of Shanghai's criminal tree.
Sean Williams
He's blasted the Big Eight mob. He's paid every cop and politician in town.
Danny Gold
He's got a Portuguese passport and he even toppled his former boss Hwang.
Sean Williams
It's at this point that he decides
Danny Gold
to strangle any opium rivals once and for all. Minting something called the Three Prosperities Company.
Sean Williams
It's so named for the triumvirate of
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Greengang greats that heads it up. But do. He is the king.
Sean Williams
On April 28, 1925 he makes a
Danny Gold
deal with French authorities to do the 1. Open a Three Prosperities Company opium warehouse in the concession.
Sean Williams
2. Double the concession's number of opium stores. 3.
Danny Gold
Pay a huge monthly fee that is bribe to French officials and 4.
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Ensure that if trafficking is conducted discreetly
Danny Gold
then no Three Prosperities member will face prosecution.
Sean Williams
In effect then, Du Yuexuang has essentially
Danny Gold
just re legalised the opium trade and monopolized the entire thing for himself.
Sean Williams
He's literally described in French documents as
Danny Gold
a quote opium importer.
Sean Williams
Despite that being an actual crime, within a year the Three Prosperities Company is
Danny Gold
making almost 60 million yuan in profit over a billion dollars today and running its own protection rackets for street level dealers.
Sean Williams
Folks in Shanghai come to know it
Danny Gold
simply as the big company and everybody is clear. Du is its top boy.
Sean Williams
Do is quote the chief loafer of the French Concession.
Danny Gold
An opium and arms smuggler writes a letter published in a local newspaper.
Sean Williams
He claims Portuguese citizenship and pretends to be immune from arrest in the French
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Concession for whatever he may do.
Sean Williams
It is strange that the Sin Wen
Danny Gold
Pao, a rival newspaper published his name as do someone instead of in full.
Sean Williams
I presume they know the character of
Danny Gold
the man and were afraid to print it for Fear of inviting trouble from Dew's loafer gangs.
So what does loafer mean in this context? Because he's definitely not. Not loafing. He's in fact he's very active.
Sean Williams
Yeah, he is incredibly active.
Danny Gold
But I think what they mean is it's just like another word for like ne' er do wells or baddies. I think they're just like, I don't like him, but yeah, I don't know. He's doing pretty well without them.
Sean Williams
But by this point, there is another
Danny Gold
issue for dude to contend with. And it's a far more zealous foe than any of the folks he's vanquished before. Whether it's former boss Huang, rival gangs, or the French authorities. The Chinese Communist Party or CCP, is
Sean Williams
only formed in 1921, and by 1924 it has under 10, yes, 10 members
Danny Gold
in Shanghai and only two of these are actual blue collar workers.
There's a shocker right there.
Sean Williams
Yeah. And neither of those two even worked
Danny Gold
in the city's cotton factories, which are by far the biggest employer of Shanghai's working class.
Sean Williams
But as trade unions play an increasing role in city life and their leaders increasingly view the Green Gang and its
Danny Gold
scrangle hold on industry as a blight, the CCP makes incredibly quick gains. One trade union leader named Li Li
Sean Williams
Sang decides he's had enough of do
Danny Gold
and his gang's tactics, writes Prime Martin.
Sean Williams
Quote, Lili San's premise was that the Green Gang was a degenerate form of
Danny Gold
secret society whose relationships with the workers were based solely on exploitation.
Sean Williams
Lee's pet hate is the Green Gang's use of a labour system called bagong,
Danny Gold
which is similar to the hawala system used today to tie poor laborers to work in Gulf nations like Qatar, Saudi Arabia and the uae.
Sean Williams
Most factory foremen and inspectors are on
Danny Gold
the Green Gang's books, keeping the poor in line.
Sean Williams
But that's not all. The Green Gang also views Shanghai's mills,
Danny Gold
factories and shop floors as vital recruitment
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pools, indenturing some of the poorest people
Danny Gold
in the city into gang life.
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Lee decides he's going to break the Green Gang by allying with its rank
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and file disciples and sowing discontent between them and their wildly rich bosses.
Sean Williams
He denounces do and others as capitalist stooges. And he has plenty of success. In February 1925, workers at a Japanese
Danny Gold
cotton mill run by the Green Gang go on strike. This is a really big deal.
Sean Williams
Up until this point, the Green Gang
Danny Gold
hasn't thrown its lot in with either
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the CCP or their arch Rivals the
Danny Gold
Nationalists, the Kuomintang led by Generalissimo Chiang Kai shek. But the 1925 strike convinces it to partner with the KMT and right wing anti communist groups.
Sean Williams
In fact, it mints a group called the Shanghai Chinese Chamber of Commerce. On the surface a guild that would
Danny Gold
protect the city's business interests but in
Sean Williams
fact it's a cover for Green Gang
Danny Gold
mobsters to break strikes, sometimes violently and to continue growing its drug empire.
Sean Williams
The CCP denounces the Chamber of Commerce
Danny Gold
as a quote gangster trade union. But the die is cast.
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Du Yue Sheng and the Green Gang
Danny Gold
are going to back the KMT against the Communists.
Sean Williams
We've mentioned Chiang Kai Shek a hell
Danny Gold
of a lot on this show Whether
Sean Williams
in relation to modern Taiwanese gangs or triads or the so called KMT Lost Boys who helped found the modern meth
Danny Gold
trade from exile in Myanmar.
Sean Williams
Chang himself military tough guy risen in
Danny Gold
the 1911 revolution and co founded the KMT. But Chiang's early years are patchy and
Sean Williams
there are some records suggesting he may even have been a Green Gang member in his youth. Whatever the truth, in 1919 when Chiang builds his Nationalist army in the south
Danny Gold
of China, it's Huang Jinrong who pays his travel expenses. And Chiang will never forget the favour.
Sean Williams
Of course, throughout this period Shanghai's big
Danny Gold
business is still dominated by its foreign inhabitants. 23,000Americans, British and French and 14,000 Japanese. More on the Japanese next episode.
Sean Williams
As I mentioned at the top of
Danny Gold
this show, these folks live separately from their Chinese neighbors.
Sean Williams
They make deals in gentlemen's clubs and on casino floors and they actively keep
Danny Gold
the locals away from their profits. Writes one journalist at the time. The British in particular believe that quote, the Chinese were a low dirty mongrel
Sean Williams
race that they should be everlastingly grateful
Danny Gold
for being booted around by the extremely superior British.
Sean Williams
And how what the Chinese really needed
Danny Gold
was the firm British government to guide them.
Sean Williams
Hear, hear. What? Oh chap.
Danny Gold
And all that honking bowhat wearing nonsense. Anyway, in March 1925 Chinese revolutionary hero Sun Yan Yat Sen dies and Chiang Kai Shek he becomes leader of the KMT by May that year thanks in
Sean Williams
part to the CCP and their friends
Danny Gold
in the fledgling Soviet Union but but
Sean Williams
also the KMT's brand of Chinese nationalism. Anti imperialist sentiment is spreading all over Shanghai. This bursts into violence on May 15
Danny Gold
that year when a Japanese cotton mill guard shoots dead a Chinese worker.
Sean Williams
Local students who arrested protested the killing
Danny Gold
in the International Settlement.
Sean Williams
With their Trial set for May 30 A host of leftist Groups including trade
Danny Gold
unionists and the CCP hold mass demonstrations. Some are arrested and taken to a British jail.
Sean Williams
When comrades show up at the jail,
Danny Gold
imperial officers fire into the crowd, killing 16. This will become known as the May 30 incident.
Sean Williams
And it sparks months of protests demanding
Danny Gold
an end to the international settlement, British occupation of China and massive strikes.
Sean Williams
By the beginning of 1926, Shanghai is
Danny Gold
a powder keg just waiting to blow.
Sean Williams
Protests against foreigners are growing. The CCP is gathering pace among the city's proletariat.
Danny Gold
The Green gang is mobilizing against the communists.
Sean Williams
And Chiang Kai Shek is tearing through
Danny Gold
China on his so called Northern expedition,
Sean Williams
wiping out warlords and communists on his
Danny Gold
way to a showdown with Shanghai's Reds. Add to all of this the wild
Sean Williams
partying, casinos, brothels, opium addiction, including an addiction of big ears do himself, and
Danny Gold
Shanghai might be just about the maddest place on earth.
Yeah man, places like that, in that sort of chaos, with also that, that scene there, like you know, Casablanca during the war or Cuba I guess in the 50s, the intrigue too mixed in. I guess you can throw in Beirut maybe in the 70s with that like the intrigue as well. Though I don't think the parting was as good there, but I don't know man, I. I would have loved to experience places like that at those times.
Yeah, this would have been insane. I mean any.
Is there any modern day equivalent
border towns? I don't know.
Sean Williams
Can we think of any border towns?
Danny Gold
Some of those, I mean super weird ones.
The lamest example possible compared to what these were. But like Erbil during the like 2016 with Mosul. I mean the Christian neighborhood had like three bars, but it was like, you know, a lot of folks there hanging out, having a good. Actually, you know, it's not even close. Yeah, I can't think of anything.
Yeah, no, me neither. Kabul was pretty from when I was
throwing like Bangkok probably during, during the Vietnam War.
Sean Williams
Right, Or Bangkok, I mean on any
Danny Gold
night if you have the right time. But.
Yeah, yeah, but I mean you don't have the political intrigue and the war and all the sort of like war
economy and all that, you know, Crazy.
Yeah, this is something different.
Yeah, this is mad.
Sean Williams
In February 1927, Du Yue Sheng decides
Danny Gold
that the CCP is the existential threat to his dominance of Shanghai.
Sean Williams
His goons violently break up a strike
Danny Gold
in the city center. An ally officially with the kmt, the
Sean Williams
CCP steps up its campaign, minting death
Danny Gold
squads that assassinate 13 green gang factory bosses. Du hits back with a Death squad of his own. The dare to dies which batter the communists in the countryside around Shanghai, hoping to encircle the communists inside the city.
I think the the Two Guns Cohen episode goes into this period a lot and it's just exceedingly brutal on all sides. Just viciousness. Like an incident that right now would be in the headlines for weeks every, every other day in terms of just like the brutality of it. I mean it's same when they kick back off again post World War II. You know, just like massacre after massacre after massacre after massacre. Yeah, we're talking like hundreds, thousands every day.
Yeah, I mean we're up to what, 1927. This is going to continue for another 18 years. No. Yeah, 22 years. Yeah. This is really the start, start of something magic. On March 26, 1927, Du and Chang meet in person for the first time at an airfield just outside downtown Shanghai.
Sean Williams
Both men want to route the CCP from the city, so they found something
Danny Gold
called the China Mutual Progress association, or cmpa.
Sean Williams
Remember how Du had united various low
Danny Gold
level gangsters to take control of Shanghai's opium market?
Sean Williams
This time he'll do it under the
Danny Gold
umbrella of the cmpa, bringing together Green
Sean Williams
Gang factions, secret society members, capitalists and
Danny Gold
even triad bosses to break picket lines and destroy Shanghai's Communists once and for all. Tensions rise all the way up until April 11, 1927.
Sean Williams
That is when we get the murder
Danny Gold
of trade unionist Wang Shuhua from today's cold open.
Sean Williams
Wang actually goes to Du Yue Sheng's
Danny Gold
mansion because he believes the gangster has always kept his word.
Sean Williams
And he still holds out hope the
Danny Gold
Green Gang will get back on side with Shanghai's factory workers. But as you heard earlier, it is not to be.
Sean Williams
Du has Wang killed and dumped in
Danny Gold
a Shallow grave by 9pm that evening.
Sean Williams
Shortly afterwards, Dew reaches out to Stirling
Danny Gold
Fessenden, an American lawyer and chairman of the local council of the International Settlement. We're about to do something big, Du tells Fessenden. Our men need safe passage through the settlement. Fessenden acquiesces. Word will soon get out that the
Sean Williams
Green Gang has slaughtered Wang.
Danny Gold
But by then it'll be far too late for anybody to react.
Sean Williams
With Fessenden and Chang's blessing, Big Ear's
Danny Gold
do initiates his grand plan.
Sean Williams
By the early hours of April 12, 2000 of his gangsters have crossed from
Danny Gold
the French Concession through the International Settlement into old Shanghai.
Sean Williams
There, dressed in denim, they mingle with
Danny Gold
striking workers and Communists, slipping among the crowds unnoticed. And then at dawn, two sounds ring out across the district One is a distant gunboat siren, the other is a Bugle's call. Du's men know the signal, all 2,000 of them. Unsheathe knives and guns from their denim garments. And what happens next? Well, you could Google it right now,
Sean Williams
but I recommend you wait for the
Danny Gold
third and final installment of this Du Yue Shuang Green Gang CCP Chinese Epic.
Sean Williams
Thanks for listening.
Danny Gold
And for God's sake, don't Instagram your crimes. Definitely don't get Dengue fever. And don't go to Cuba.
Look at the cliffhanger with this guy. Still, you know.
There we go, making it work even
with a fever and whatever else inside that that tortured body of yours.
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Episode: China’s Mob King Prepares for War
Hosts: Danny Gold & Sean Williams
Date: July 21, 2026
This gripping installment of The Underworld Podcast uncovers the nexus between Shanghai’s notorious Green Gang, the city’s chaotic criminal underworld, and the rise of China's Nationalists in the years leading up to 1927. Journalists Danny Gold and Sean Williams piece together the true story behind Du Yuesheng—Shanghai’s “Mob King”—and how he masterminded a violent campaign against the Chinese Communist Party (CCP), transforming himself from streetwise gangster to kingmaker at the crossroads of global crime, politics, and revolution. The episode is rich with historical context, color, and brutal anecdotes, culminating in a cliffhanger as Du’s forces prepare for all-out war on the city’s Communists.
Showdown Impending:
The Plan Unfolds:
This episode brings listeners into the heart of 1920s Shanghai, a city torn apart by foreign greed, local corruption, and ideological warfare. Through incisive storytelling and historical detective work, The Underworld Podcast paints a vivid picture of Du Yuesheng’s cementing of underworld power, the international and domestic factors at play, and the machinations leading up to one of the bloodiest, most pivotal moments in China's modern history. The scene is set for the Green Gang’s war—one where the line between cop and criminal, business and gangster, patriot and mobster, is not merely blurred but erased.
For more on what happens next in the bloody underworld-politics nexus of Shanghai, stay tuned for part three.