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Hello, Trap Talk listeners. I'm Zach Denini. We are here with Richard Marshall, Jr. Rich Buller Jr. And Mr. Kyle Sievers, a bunch of longtime friends and some trapaholics all over the country. And we're excited to talk today a little bit about the pita. So welcome to the show, guys.

C

Good morning. Welcome. I'm happy to be here with you hoodlums.

B

Here we go. See, you can't even, you know, he's, he's, you know, star struck. I think. Just for the record, Rich has to pay to be on the show. We don't pay him no royalties, zero, nothing.

C

Boy, that is no lie either.

A

Rich, I apologize for cutting into your morning walk this morning. Ricky has a busy schedule, so we had to get this done in the AM and that pushed into your. To your walk. So for that, I. I apologize. But I, I want to make it known there still will be no royalties on the mustard shirt or the upcoming new single, RB8.

C

Okay, all right. I understand.

A

Well, well, well, Kyle. How are you today?

D

I'm doing good. Thanks for having me on to talk about this.

A

Awesome, awesome. Well, well, Kyle, I understand you're the vice president of the pita. Is that. Is that correct?

D

Second vice president. Yes, sir. That's my role.

A

Okay, well, today our purpose of the show, as stated, is to learn more about the pita and learn more about the grand pacific. So I think a good question for us to start with today because a lot of our listeners are ata fanatics, is what is the pita and how did it originate?

C

Would you like me to explain the history, Kyle?

D

Yes, sir. You like to talk more than I do.

C

That'd be greata. The PITA was started in, I believe, 1932. It was originally started as a breakoff group from the ata because out west, their theory was during that time, nobody knew we existed out here. They thought we were still territories. They didn't know we had shotguns and we could actually shoot a clay target when we wanted to. They thought we were still fighting with the natives. And that wasn't the case. So over the years, it evolved and moved. And, you know, most people don't understand that out here it's as popular, especially in the northwest, as ata or even more popular. It goes through Canada, Alaska, Hawaii, Washington, Arizona, bouncing around California, Oregon, Nevada.

B

It's in Colorado.

C

Colorado, yeah, Colorado. Now, Montana's throwing a state shoot this year, and I'm sure Idaho. I'm sure I've forgotten somebody, but it's. It's basically the western states in Canada. And a lot of we have. And to give you an idea, we have a lot of crossover shooters. I mean, Kyle shoots a lot of ata when available, and of course I do, but it's a smaller organization, but it's a very fun group. I mean, you've got a lot of people like Kyle who sit on the executive committee that are hands on. These guys don't have the resources to hire. We have an executive director, Kate Kwunt, but she's not out there setting targets and setting up shoots. She'll cashier and do some of the backroom stuff and does a great job. But now where we're at is, you know, it's trying to let people know that it still is out there. It's still a program that. That is fun to shoot in. People from the midwest, the east coast, we'd love to see them out here. You can fly. Where we're having it this year, of course, is in Evergreen, Washington, which is about an hour south of Seattle. It's the Olympia, Tacoma area. Just a gorgeous spot. I mean, we've. I love it there when everything's hot and boiling in the midwest and you guys are sweating with humidity and frying. We're up in the northwest shooting our. What is our grand american, the grand pacific. It's our Super Bowl. And the weather in the layout where it's at is just absolutely beautiful. We shoot in pine trees. Zach, you've been there before.

D

I have.

A

And.

C

And.

A

And I can speak that it is one of the most beautiful gun clubs I've ever shot at as far as the layout. And, you know, those pine trees are right up against the background, so that target is flying into a pine tree, and it's like you cut a little swatch in the forest and they built a gun club. Like, the pines are just all around you, and they're. They're. They're bigger than life. And, you know, I love it. And to circle back. I know there was a shift last year to where they changed it to. And a lot of people said they really wanted to go back to Evergreen. You know, they had a very strong feeling just. Just kind of like the people that had the strong feeling when the grand went from Ohio to Sparta. I mean, it was a. It's more of a nostalgic, like, hey, we really want it in Evergreen. And. And I want to commend you guys for making, you know, that adjustment.

D

And.

A

And I heard about the new camping spots and stuff. I mean, it sounds like you guys are doing as good a job to accommodate as possible.

C

Yeah, they. And, you know, to your point, Zach. Yeah, there's been. Because it's a smaller chute, there are other gun clubs that can accommodate from the standpoint of enough traps and things that way. They tried it. And Kyle and I. There's no ill will towards these other clubs like Bend, Oregon. Beautiful spot. Beautiful gun club. They did a great job. It's just a little remote. It was kind of like you guys trying to get there for my induction last year. You wanted to come because, of course, you love me and miss me.

B

No, but. But we were coming to take your money. That was all.

A

I love you, Rich.

B

I love to hate you and hate to love you. You know, we have that good relationship.

C

So what. What happened was, is the executive committee decided because of where the concentration of shooters are, they just in the size of club. It just kind of works in. In. In Evergreen. And. Yeah, you know, you. You. You talk about that. There's a lot of history in between. We had this shoot used to be in Reno at the. The old Harold's Club back in the Dan Orlick days, where he broke RICKY the first 400 by 400 in 1969.

B

Yep. First one ever done in.

C

You were the third one.

B

I was the. Yeah, because. Yeah, I was the third one.

C

You Were the third one. Yeah, yeah, we, you know it moved. It, it was actually at my parents place for one year. It went to Salem, Oregon. But what everybody's found is it makes the most sense, I think to be up in that, that Washington area. You know, I talk about this because I really, really do enjoy the shoot, you guys. And if we could just get a few midwestern east coast people that came out for it, I think they would just have a ball because it's, you don't have that oppressive heat and humidity that you know, sometimes you guys know as much as we shoot. Sometimes. Sure. Going from shoot to shoot in the Midwest, you'd like to go, oh, we just, we want a day off from this humidity. Well, you get, you get some really comfortable weather. Now one of the things that I bring up is the, the time when it is, it's July 20th through the 25th. They've got two bonus days. Doubles challenge, July 18th, that is a Saturday. And then a warm up Sunday of July 19th. The actual high overall starts the 20th through the 25th. It stacks up pretty close to the Grand American. And because I shoot both of them, I have to make a run home, get on a plane and go. But you know, I say this to the people that aren't going to the Grand American that want something different and nothing. I mean I love the Grand American and we love Sparta, but this is a whole different flavor and you've got some real good competition. You have. I mean I'm looking at the program, you guys and I, I don't want to just keep going, but I'm going to keep going, keep going.

A

Let them know. Let's hear it.

C

You have in the program just came out now first of all, it's sure nice to get a program two and a half months in advance, almost three months in advance of the shoot, so people can plan. I am amazed at how many gun clubs can't get a program out in a timely manner. And then they wonder why, why aren't we getting, why aren't we drawing from these other areas? Well, nobody knew where to go, how to get there, what the program was, shells, hotels, food. So they, they got this out. It's a great program. It's a little thick, but it's online and it's on their PITA website, pita.com and to give you an idea, and Ricky, this goes to exactly what you'd salivate over. A hundred thousand dollars in trophies and added money and silver.

B

Yeah, I'm looking at the program right now. Rich and the website's actually shoot PITA.com.

C

excuse me.

B

I'll be out there. You know, Rich. But yeah, I'm looking at it. And that was one of the questions I was going to ask for, for Kyle. We got Kyle back on is, what is it? Why do you guys end the shoot on Saturday? You start on Sunday or Saturday before you do a couple prelim days. The overall starts Monday, but then you end on Saturday. What's the reason for that, Kyle?

D

The main reason. They always have stopped on Saturday. It's 16 hours for me to drive there, so these people that travel from far distances can have time to travel home. And I'm not as fortunate as Mr. Bullard. You know, I have a job and got to go back to work Monday morning. And that's the. The main. The main reason. Okay, that's good.

B

No, I. I had heard that. I had heard that in the past,

C

of course, from our.

D

Our.

B

Our good friend Dave Kelly that we really love, you know, that shoots a lot. Shot a up. But he told me that. And. And like I said, and Bullard said it earlier, we were trying to get to his hall of fame deal last year. And I looked and I was like, man, it's to get in and get out. And the hotels and Bend were just. I mean, they were like 400 a night. And I was like, you know, I asked, you know, Rich's wife said, well, you could stay with him. I wouldn't even come, you know, oh, no, I don't want to sleep with him, you know. You know, so it is nice to see it back in Evergreen because I've heard a lot of good things about the club. Unfortunately, this year I might have an event that weekend. I'm still waiting to hear on that weekend that the shoot gets over with, but if I don't, it might be a possibility.

A

I don't.

B

Does that overlap over Iowa, though, Zach, or.

A

No, no, it does.

C

Yeah. It's the. It's the week before. Ricky, this is. This is the thing. It's an alternative to some of those shoots.

B

Well, no, Iowa gets over with the 19th, Rich.

C

Oh, okay, then it isn't this year, so. Yeah.

B

So basically. Well, it'd be tough to get from Iowa to get for the overall. That's the only downside.

C

You know, it's one of those things, Ricky, where I look at it for people that aren't going to the Grand.

B

Yeah.

C

That aren't. It's an alternative of having a little different taste, a little more low key, not as intimidating.

B

But, Rich, let's be honest. It doesn't. You know, there's some people that just come to the grand to shoot Grand Week. So this is a possibility where you could come shoot the PITA Grand Pacific, which I would love to do, you know, one of these days, especially come back and shoot at Evergreen because I've heard nothing but good things from, you know, Bill Daniels, you know Dave Kelly, you know, yourself. I mean, everybody. I mean, I have, I do have 100 straight and my 27 yard pita pin. You know, I did win the Arizona.

C

Who did I beat the shoot off the subject and. But explain. Hey, Zach. Yes, right. And you won, you won a championship. This is the equivalent of a ring in this sport. You know, it's not as big, but it's still a very. You've won. You have a ring, don't you?

A

I did. One of my most coveted trophies I ever had was. It was the first big win ever for me. It was the Grand Pacific Handicap in 2005. And I still got a beautiful gold coin buckle. It's a half ounce gold coin buckle and I've got it in my safe. And I, I really, it was, it was the boost of confidence that I needed to really start. Well, at the time, I mean, I'm not joking, but at the time I hadn't really won anything super big. You know, I'd win some junior stuff, but this was in 2000, in five. So, I mean, I was one year into trap shooting. This is my first, you know, first year. And, and went up there and broke a 99. And, and, and I was waiting, and Mr. Koa broke a 98 that day. And, and I was like, oh, well, I, I got a loan. A loan one. And the funny story is Dave Kelly gave me crap on it because he said, he said, you know, I didn't bid on you because you were, you know, all the way back there. And I bid on your dad because he was on the 21 yard line, but he didn't win me crap. He says I should have been on you because you went cheap because nobody thought you could hit him from back there. So that was, that was a fun time. But, but Bullard, you've won, You've won championships at the, at the pita, have you not?

C

I've won one. And I'll tell you mine. My, I went up there for the first time. That was 2,000, I think, 13. And Dave Kelly, you know, we always bring him up as this, but he was really ripping quite a big swath in the pita during that time he had one heck of a run, and he was virtually winning every high overall and Haas and everything else other than singles. And he said, you got to come up here. You got to shoot this shoot.

D

I said, yeah.

C

I go, I know. It was just life, you know, you couldn't get there. I finally went up, and for the first four days, five days, man, I didn't shoot with a darn. And that year, I went up because I captained the All Star team. So I went up for the honor of getting it, and Dave says, nobody's gonna respect you until you come up here and win. Well, I was quickly falling on my face. It was, you know, new club, figuring it out. First four days, I don't think I hit much. And then the championship started championship events and got one off and won the HAA. So it was. And I quickly mentioned that to Mr. Kelly that, you know, at least I got that monkey off my back. Now, I will tell you this. Never won another one since they're not just show up and win trophies. It's. And Kyle. Kyle. How many of you have three? Three, don't you?

D

Two boat doubles and one single. Yeah. And then we got a little guy named John. You guys know that it's pretty hard to get around in the doubles event. Yeah, yeah.

A

Mullen's Molly shoots great up there, and he is as he does everywhere, and.

B

And then you're. What's it, Bob Peterson, right?

C

No,

B

Robertson. Robertson. Sorry, not Peterson. Robertson. Yeah, because he was at that.

C

That.

B

That shoot bowler. The 2025 Arizona Pita State shoot. And he broke a lone hundred that day. And they were sporty doubles.

C

Yes. Yeah, Bob's a good double.

B

Yeah, Y. Bob. Bob's broke a lot of. A lot of hundreds and doubles and stuff, but. Yeah, that was the only PITA shoot I've ever shot. And I didn't know, since you're on the executive board. You know, Kyle, is there a rule when you're in a shoot off and someone throws a shell at you, you're shooting against. Is that automatic? That should be, like, taken out of the hall of Fame, right?

D

You know, I don't know about that one.

C

But

D

do you know Rich Bullard is the only man that's been in a championship shoot off and shot out of turn with two people.

C

Reload my gun and shoot again. This guy was so. This kid was so slow. I said, enough. I'm shooting.

B

What the heck, Bullard? Well, I know Kyle is. We were shooting off for the singles, and Rich missed one, and he looked at Me and I said, you shouldn't have done that. And he threw his shell at me and I went, oh, like in a shoot off. I mean etiquette, you know.

C

The best part of that is he beat me days earlier and I in a shoot off for the singles championship of the Autumn brand. So I was, yeah, he was a

B

little buttered, but no, I enjoyed shooting that and, and everything. And I was like, yeah, you know, be fun. And then bulge's like, oh, you know, you won this. You'd come shooting the champ of champs at the deal. I so badly wanted to come and shoot in that. But you know, there's a future dates we can do that, you know. But you know, getting back to the, to the program. I was looking at this program and you guys are giving away a lot of added money and a lot of, you know, fun things. I see you got like a, a backer event, you know, a team's dealing with, you know, partner shoot. You got a bunch of SOS silver shootouts, you know, little shameless plug to SOS I know you know, Greg Pink's doing a heck of a job over there, but you guys are doing 50 target, you know, events and stuff. So what is that? Draw quite a few people in.

A

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B

Listen, all I got silver right now. I won't bring the gold out for

A

Zach, but you know, I always want to get that.

B

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A

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B

That's right. Thanks for all the support.

A

You know, Rick, I just love having the peace of mind and knowing that if I'm traveling or I'm flying and something happens, I can get my winig and my Craig off replaced quickly and easily without costing me a bunch of money.

B

Yeah, exactly. The gun and trophy insurance. It's the best out there to ensure your guns, sure. Your trophy, animals, everything.

A

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B

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A

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B

At Big Red Motorsports, that's where you get one. George or Jason Lee, they'll take care of you, Zach.

A

I mean, I need one. I'm tired of riding on the back of that cooler. I want to sit inside that cab and roll around in style. I mean, my face is on the back, but help me out.

B

Listen, I'm gonna move your face to the bumper is where it's gonna get moved for the new one, okay? All you need is a little quiche and we can take care of you. But listen, Big RedMotorsports.com thanks Jason and George Lee and Big Red Motorsports for all the support. They'll take care of you folks. And it's free delivery. Hey, Zach, have you been out to 73 Pointers Ranch lately?

A

You know, I have. Rick and Carla Burke have been great. I normally hunt pheasants and chucker down there, but now they got a brand new sporting clays facility and it is top notch. I shot it the other day, absolutely loved it. And if you guys haven't, you need to go give it a check out.

B

Well, I'll have to come out and do a little hunting and we'll shoot some sporting clays then.

A

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B

No, Zach, what does it stand for?

A

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B

Well, that is true. It is good stuff, folks. I use it to clean my barrels and it does make them shine.

A

Only problem is I wear white T shirts when I clean my barrels and I get them all messy, so I got to be better at that. But it gets all the plastic, all the gunk out. Give them a try, folks. They're great.

B

That's right. Give RGS a try. We appreciate all the support.

D

Well, that, that's the idea. I don't know on the east coast where you guys are how shooting is, but out here shooting starting to dwindle. You know, you're. You're going to love these shoots that you're just not as many shooters. And my idea and a couple on this board is kind of. I mean, you've seen our government try a stimulus package, you know, try to stimulate the economy. We're, we're taking shooters money. You know, you collect daily fees. We have shooters money and we want to give it back to the shooters. To try to hopefully draw some of these people out of the. And come out and shoot, you know. You know, and everybody says the same thing, oh, you guys are putting that money in so you can win it. I get lucky every now and then. I'm not. I'm not that good. But the thing is, if you look at high overall and high all around, I put the same amount of money in D class as AAA class, you know what I mean? So if you win, yeah, D class high overall, you're making the same amount of money as AAA high overall. So, yeah, yeah, you might stay in your lane, but you got just as much a chance to make a. A good paycheck as. As anybody else, you know, as anybody else.

B

Yeah, you're not putting it high. I mean, yeah, you got your. You're added money for like your singles. Yeah, your champion's gonna make, you know, more money by a couple hundred dollars. But everything else, runner up to class D is $400, you know, now your categories are less. That's always going to be that way. But everything else, yeah, you know, I scroll down and I'm looking at all the, you know, events and stuff, and I mean, you guys got, you know, different event. You got like a cribbage tournament, you know, and just fun little things. That honestly is cool.

D

You know, the thing about the, the PITA and. And at Evergreen is it's kind of neat. You see families show up with little kids and they got bicycles and they're out playing and doing there. There's a lot of things for people

C

to go do

D

that draws families and having these buddy backers and we have a missing out that we give a BT99. We have just different events in the evening to kind of draw the people out of the crowd, you know, and come out and try to have a good time. You know, they have a cornhole tournament, they have a cribbage tournament and stuff like that. It's amazing how many people enjoy that kind of stuff.

A

Well, I think, Kyle, it's. It's for you, knowing Evergreen and knowing a lot of it is like the camping sites and the people are staying on the grounds. It's that feeling of doing something after the event's done to keep everyone together in that camaraderie and I guess, you know, to applaud you. You know, I think what Ricky was getting at is there's a lot of stuff being given at the Grand Pacific. And, you know, to even jump on the point, there might even be more added money given back to the shooters at the Grand Pacific than there is at the Grand America this year.

B

There is. It's, it's, it's hands down, Zach, you, I'm, I'm looking at it. It's, it's crazy. You giving away $5,250 just out of money in the handicap championship. The, the Grand American only gives away 500 out of money or something.

A

That's what I mean. So it's like just looking at this, I mean, you guys have the epitome of growth of trap shooting in your soul. Because I know how much work it takes to be on that EC that you guys are on. I know how hard you work to raise sponsorship dollars to give back to the shooters. And this is a huge opportunity for people that want an opportunity to shoot a shoot. That dollar for dollar has the most value of, of more of, of, of any program that I've seen in a while. I mean, this is a, you know, your target price for what you guys are giving. You would. If you have time to go up to this shoot. It makes a lot of sense. And, and I guess I want to, I want to touch on that. How much, how much effort and time and priority do you put into building those relationships and getting those donators? I mean, how does that work, Kyle?

D

The, the biggest thing is, I mean there's a lot of people involved that there's a lot of good relationships like with Browning shotguns there. White Flyer is a good sponsor. We have a couple big sporting good stores up there, Sport co and different people that have always helped out. The bad thing is our economy ain't that great, you know, and a lot of these people are kind of backing off a little bit just because they're not doing as good. And that's why the PITA has done pretty good on their daily fee monies and everything else. And that's kind of where I threw the idea. Let's, let's use some of this money. I mean, it's the shooter's money. Let's give it back to the shooters. And we, we voted on it. I kind of had to twist a few arms and get people on board. And this is a two year vote. So this money is going to be there this year and next year and we're going to see how it does for participation. Because, you know, the first year you might not get as much participation, but a lot of them guys are going to go home and go, man, I had a really good time, a good shoot. I made some money. It was, you know, Evergreen is A different kind of shoot than most of the ones we go to. You know, they have 24 traps. You start at 10am the fog clears. Beautiful morning. By 3 o' clock they're done. They do not do any shoot offs on unchampionship events unless it's a yardage change because we just carry them over to the next event. And you know why, why make the guys shoot if. If there's a yardage change you will have to shoot off that day. I don't know. I know Rich Bullard likes shooting singles and like to sit out there and beat the out of another hundred, but what are you gaining? So if you push it until

B

the

D

next event, I mean, we do have people. I'm not mentioning no names. A couple years ago, the very first day before we put this kind of rule in place, he comes out and I don't know is me and about eight or 10 of us ran 100 straight and he says, oh, I came to shoot. We're shooting off. Well, I know John Mullins was part of. We put the guy out in the first round and we said, all right, let's carry it over. And we went on, you know, and, and it's just more. I go down and shoot the Golden West Grand. It's a great shoot that's put on in Livermore here that have the family atmosphere. It's a great shoot. You're shooting a good target. They do the best they can. But it's not the family atmosphere you'll have at a big shoot like the Grand Pacific.

C

You know, some other things to answer to kind of dovetail into what Kyle just said. This, this association is, is really supported by its state associations. You can look at the program and see every state donates, every state gives something. State association that. They've got those 50 bird events. They're adding $6,000 to that three, I guess it would come out. There's two of them, $3,000 an event for a 50 bird. And each state sponsors a lot of that. And they work individuals. Ricky, you know, we were talking about White Flyer and Winchester Buildings and Browning and you know, the normal, the group of big players. But I'll tell you what, if it wasn't for the individuals, there's guys like Weldon Birch that, that people don't know about. He just tirelessly gives, just gives and gives and we just appreciate it. But the association is so small. It really takes those individuals to stack things up. And I'll tell you, the guy on this podcast, Kyle Siever, gives a lot of his own money to keep this thing going too. So it takes. You know the old saying, it takes a village. Well, in the pita, it does some other things that they're doing money wise. I don't know if you guys saw those magnums, did you?

A

Yeah, yeah, I did.

B

I did that.

C

Rich and I honestly, back east, midwest, do you guys ever have the magnums?

B

We do on some shoots have them, but most generally. No. I mean, and they don't do the magnums like you guys do. I only see that like vernal west. Okay. And I've shot, you know, like the first time I was at the. The mudslide 400 in a Tascadero. You know, I. I'm shooting with the curtains.

A

The father son, dawn and dawn, dawn and dawn.

B

And you know, I run the first box, run the second box, miss on the third box and get to the last box.

A

And.

B

And the dad's like, rick, get in this last trap. It'll be worth it. And I was like, what's he talking about? Well, then someone said, well, the wraparound. I said, what do you mean, the wraparound? They're like trap one and four. We don't have that stuff in the midwest to the east. So I did, I broke it. Well, heck, that paid, I don't know, thousand bucks. I mean, it was, it hadn't been hit, you know, so you said, you

C

know, that was a five thousand dollar kind of event.

B

Oh, it was. Yeah. It was well worth it. I want a 1 oz gold coin too.

C

Yeah. It made you want to come back. Yeah.

B

You know, I'm looking at these magnums right now. You know, trap two and four is up to $3,000. So you, if you hit it, you went 50% correct?

A

Yes.

C

They're. They're 52 people hit it, you split the, the 50. But.

B

Yeah, yeah, but you break 100 straight, you get 50 of all six.

C

Exactly.

B

I mean, folks, that's it. I mean, just my rough calculations. You're at 36, you're at 66, you're at 70. That's 7, 500 in that, you know,

A

3750 just in the first place, plus the options, because people are tossing in every day. So, you know, and I, I love magnums and I love wraparounds. But where they had so much success is in places where it's pretty uncommon to hit. Like, like Martinez used to have some really big wraparounds and magnums. I know. You know, Atascadero, Evergreen. I mean, some places if, if you did one let's just an example. If you did one at I. You know, the Iowa State shoot, there probably wouldn't be very much money in it because everybody shoots 99. If you did it at Spanish Fort, Utah, you know, it's hard to keep those things bolstered up because they get, you know, cleaned out in the first day. But.

B

Yep.

A

But when you do it at a place that's challenging from a visual standpoint or from a terrain standpoint or from a target standpoint, then, yeah, they. They. They're a really great tool to keep people coming back and throwing in, you

C

know, throwing in some money in. Zach, not to. It's amazing to me that Ricky can't add two and two. But you start, you put that magnum sheet in front of him, and he can calculate late.

B

Buddy, buddy, there ain't no one out there in this business better than me at numbers when it comes to options. You know, that Bullard, he's doing.

A

He's doing long division in his head. He's shooting targets. He's counting money.

C

He's.

A

That's.

D

This.

B

Ricky, we can't.

A

We can't tell him. He ain't that bad.

C

With him, he walked off, you know, saying, okay, you got me in this, but I got you here, and this is what it pays. And I'm just thinking, how do you do that?

D

He.

A

You're not going to get ahead of him because he's got something else to bring out on you. Trust me.

D

Hey, Ricky. Ricky. Zach is sitting there talking about all this, but he doesn't mention that he shot that club in Martinez. One of the only guys I ever seen walk out there and shoot a hunter straight. And he was too cheap to pay for the magnums. And how much did that cost you that day?

A

It cost me, like, five grand. But you know what?

B

15,000 is what I've been told.

A

No.

B

Thousand. It's okay, Zach.

A

No, no. I have a picture of the program. It was. It was. Because it was. It was. It was half just like this. So, no, they didn't pay half.

B

They paid 80% because I broke the middle 50 at Martinez, and it paid me five grand because it had been hit forever. And Dave Kelly was like, you deserve all that with that 50. And it wasn't 89 in the program

A

with a 50 straight. I'll still take my picture on the wall with the 100 straight over all that. I mean, money. I can and go, but I got that.

B

Hey, speaking.

A

Kyle, he's going to show me the double coin. You know, you talk about Breaking. See that, that was real live time. You talk about breaking 100 Martinez. Ricky diverts, bam, double coin. So you're not going to, you're not going to get on top?

B

No. I give Zach the props on breaking that 100 to Martinez, folks. For anybody out there that has never been to Martinez, California and, and been in tune with this trap club that you look at it and go, what's hard about this? The first handicap targets I broke there, I broke at 25 straight. And I was like, walk to the next trap. Broke 19. Dave Kelly goes, welcome to Martinez.

C

You know Kyle, you have a double, a double coin from Martinez, right?

D

I got a couple of them. Yes, sir.

A

See, I've never, I've never gotten a double

C

three.

B

Zach, where you at, kid?

A

But I don't have one, I don't

C

have one that breaks 100 straight out of on the 400 and doesn't win

B

the high, doesn't win the overall.

A

I, I tied for the overall and I went out and I broke a 49 out of 50 in the shoot off. And the guy that beat me broke a 50 out of 50.

B

What were you shooting?

A

We were shooting handicap again. I, I, I gave it everything I had.

D

Yeah, you know, one thing that everybody.

A

Go ahead, Kyle.

D

Sorry everybody that's listening to this thing, I, I have not shot in other places that Rich or Ricky or you have shot. But it is a humbling experience to shoot Martinez Gun Club. And I, I never, I, Rich Bullard is very good at patting himself on the back. I'm not, but I bought in 2014 or 15. I called Dan Venice and I bought a brand new MX 2010. I never shot the gun. I sent it to Wilkinson gun come back. I took it one time and shot at my house. Made sure it shot about where I looked. I went to Martinez Gun Club. One of their club shoots just a little chicken, you know, I run 50 in the singles. I was like, guys, this, I like this gun. I run 50 in the handicap. I really like this gun. I go out and I break 50 in the doubles. It's the only 150 ever shot at Martinez Gun Club. And I left there with $8,000 from that little chicken day.

A

Shoot, I, I can tell you, Kyle, I remember that happening because it was the talk of the town. Everybody said this guy broke a 150 at the club shoot. And at the time I think the high, the high Martinez score club record was like a 148 or, I mean it was, you shattered it. I mean it was really, it was Definitely hard to do. And, and, and I take my hat off to you for that, because if you haven't been there, folks, you don't know what we're talking about.

B

You just insane. It's a cool club to go to. And Zach shot a lot there, and Rich has shot more there probably than anybody.

D

Yeah, I shot a lot.

A

I shot a lot of Martinez, but it makes you tougher. It makes you better to understand and go through that and shoot. I mean, there's no place in the world that that, that'll give you more tough terrain, tough visual and tough target than Martinez. And, you know, there's other things we can get into, but, but it creates a bunch of great shooters and their leagues, Their leagues are thriving. I. I got to give my hat off to, you know, Greg Fami for running that Wednesday night league. I mean, it's one of the biggest leagues in the Bay area as far as people showing up and eating dinner and shooting and having a good time, and it's still thriving to this day and creating a lot of. A lot of ata shooters. So, you know, it's ata pita. But, but, you know, getting back to the topic on point, I know we went on a little tangent there, but. But with the pit grand coming up, reiterating, there's huge, huge trophies, huge silver, there's huge money involved. And, you know, I think you guys have done a great job. You mentioned bringing together that group of all of those people to help, and I think people are okay with helping as long as it's going back towards the shooter or going back to a good cause. I think where there's a big disconnect on the larger platforms, like, you know, the Grand American is, is, you know, when, when, when you're donating and you're not seeing things change, you're not seeing things adjust, you're not seeing it go back to the shooters or seeing things, you know, improve. Well, then the question's like, well, what are we doing it for? You know what I mean? I, I feel that a lot.

D

I, I agree. 100. And like rich said, dude, I'm not scared to give back and help out, but I have a hard time going out and asking and getting people behind donating if we don't see where it's going, you know, I mean, if it's just going.

C

Yeah,

D

if you see where it's going. You know, you talked about those 50 bird events. I'm the one that went to all these states and go, you know, you guys make your money off of the Name of the PITA hosting small shoots all year. How about let's give back to the shooters. And both those 50 bird events are non. They're not part of the high overall because a lot of these people get a little freaked out. You know a guy shoot more handicapped targets, they're. They're not part of the high overall but it's. It's a great deal. I mean maybe I like to. It's an opportunity to me my mind wanders really bad. 50 birds is pretty easy to break a good score and that's why you're the club champion.

A

150 at Martinez, you had those little short windows and you just whacked them all out.

D

Both of the events last year at at when it was in Bend, Oregon.

B

At Bend.

D

Yeah. I actually the. That Colton Tucker tied me in the first one. The second one I won outright. But hey, you know, 50 birds. I think it's a good deal just to. And this is after all the events are over, you know, you have time to kind of relax for a minute and come out and do you walk away with it. You could pay for your whole weekend in that one shoot, you know, if you want to five places. But you know, the problem is you guys shoot and you pay attention to stuff. Most people look at that program and say $60 to shoot 50 birds. They don't realize there's a Lewis involved in that. There's a 25 option in that. It's all put in there as one. If you're playing, you're all in. You know, we're not gonna let. You can shoot on that deal. It's a straight out, you know, it's all about money. I, I got cornered the other day by some people going, well, I heard you guys are raising your target price because last year we were at 47, a hundred. But then you're, you're trying to squeak everything together and pay for everything. Who knows what our target price is going to be. You know, I don't know about you guys. $8 a gallon for fuel. These targets are coming from Southern California, have to be hauled to Evergreen, Washington. Where are we gonna. They were.

A

Yeah.

B

Fuel prices are crazy right now, Kyle. So yeah, that's what, that's what a lot of shooters don't understand.

D

Well, that's costing the PITA more money to throw these targets and for these shooters to understand we're not trying to make more money, we're trying to cover our cost. And you know, next year the fuel prices go back down, we're liable to drop back down to $48. But we're not gonna, we're not gonna put a surcharge on people when they show up and say, oh, target prices went up to us, so we're gonna have to charge you more. So we're just covering our base.

A

Here's the thing. I want to, I want to nip this in the bud right now. I mean, the reality is, is everything in this economy is costing more. And, and if you say, okay, it's $47 for a hundred targets or $50 for 100 targets on 10 events, we're talking about a 20 or a $30 difference per person in the week. If 20 or $30 a difference, the difference between going to any shoot in the country or not going well, then we've got bigger problems. I mean, from a financial standpoint, you know, you probably don't have any business going to that shoot if that's, you know, and that might be being, you know, an elitist personality, you know, mentality. But the reality is the gas, the shells, the, the time off of work, the, the, you know, all the food, the dinners, the, all the things that go into trap shooting, I think people will look at that target price and they'll get so upset with it. But that's the one thing that keeps this whole thing going. If you don't have the employees, you don't have the trophies, you don't have the targets in the air, you don't have a shoot. And so I, I've never seen associations try to turn profits into their, or targets into their profit mill. That's not generally where they make their money, is putting the target in the air. It's their, it's their lost leader.

D

Well, that's a 100% and that's the way, I mean, you said it exactly. If you're shooting 16 events, what are we talking? 47, $48, you know, from a three dollar increase? Okay.

A

All right, folks, we got to talk about Johnson's Furniture appliance and mattress. Jason Johnson, he's a great guy. I just seen him in the shoot off the other day. He's helping shooters out with their mattresses all across the country. Tell them about it.

B

Rick Johnson's furniture appliance and mattress from Wichita Falls, Texas. They will do a white glove service on tempur pedic mattresses right to your door or to your gun club, it don't matter. He'll help you out.

A

See, I need it because one of those RVs, they come with them little flimsy Little mattresses. My neck's all hurt. I need something good to sleep on. We gotta feel good, we gotta shoot good. So give them a try, folks, if you're looking for the best RV bed in the industry.

B

Yep, that's right. You got to get a good mattress if you want to shoot well. We appreciate everything you do for us, Jason.

A

Hey, folks, we got to talk about 12 gauge leatherworks out of St. George, Utah. I just got my package in the mail. I got a brand new Trap talk pouch with a holder and shelves. I got all kinds of stuff. What kind of stuff you got, Ricky?

B

I got the same. Got the initials on there. Nice four box holder. But the best thing is the buckle holder, folks. That is cool. Got a stamp of initials. It's awesome.

A

I love that buckle holder. We can. I'm hanging that right behind me. When we do podcasts, that's a great gift for Christmas. I mean, think about everybody hanging their buckles up. And you know these guys pretty well, right, Rick?

B

Yeah, I actually did lessons at Livermore with them here at the beginning of the year with his Jared and his son Carson. There's a nice little pic of us there. And as you can see, it was a little cold in California, but great, folks. They support trap shooting, they support trap talk.

A

If you need some leather stuff, give them a try and we'll see him in a shoot near you soon. Hey, folks, I got to give a quick thank you to integrated companies out of Utah. They're a great company. They support trap shooting and they support trap talk. Ricky, tell them what they do.

B

They do about anything you can imagine for all businesses of all size. But they do insurance, hr, payroll taxes, accounting. But we would like to thank Terry and Flynn Paulson for supporting us.

A

We really appreciate it. Absolutely. If you're a business owner in the trap shooting community and you like supporting brands to support trap support integrated companies out of Utah.

B

I mean, I was looking at this program. I did not see any events sponsored by Rich Bullard. Is this.

C

I mean, you know, do you want to.

D

But Rich Bullard's defense. Rich Bullard is a very good. He does slap his wallet, and he helps out every year. And actually I came up a little short on the. The 600 bird or the. The 50 bird event. I put in the program of $6,000. It came up a little shy of that. My sponsorship. And he's the first man that said, hey, come see me. I'll split it with you. We'll make it right. And I said, no, I. I said, it's going to be that, and I'll make up the difference, and that's what it's going to be, you know?

B

So if you'd have told me he had his money in there, Kyle, I might show up just so I can get some of that.

C

I'll be honest with you, Ricky. I don't know. I. We've all three got, you know, our championships. You know, it's. It's kind of like me, you know, you can say, hey, I'll come. You know, it's like me saying, well, I could try. I could make the Celtics, but I never tried out. You know, you gotta. You gotta get on a plane.

B

You know what? You never know.

D

Bullard.

A

Hey, one thing I've learned, Bullard, I. I do like talking, but what I've learned is you don't poke the bear, because we don't out there, you know, the bear. The bear's still hungry. The bear can still shoot. I am. If he smells. If he smells some gold or some silver, he starts going off, you know, to your point.

C

And I. And I know, look, you guys have prior obligations and where it's at and how far. But I'll tell you what, if guys want to pay for their shoes, have an opportunity to pay for their shoot. Have a good time.

B

Yeah.

C

Have a nice trip. Absolutely. Isn't a more fun place. And usually when somebody attends it, they say, I'm gonna go again, because it's fun. It's a different vibe. And it. And now the amount of money they're putting.

B

Where do you fly into?

C

You said Seattle, SeaTac? Yeah, Seattle, Tacoma. It's about an hour south. The hotels are all right, within 15 minutes in Tumwater. I stay in Olympia in the capital, at Capitol Lake. And just because I like being on the. And it's maybe 20 minutes from the gun. Okay, I go eat oysters on the bay, and, you know, they've got great food right along there. And. And it's just a. It's. You're on the coast and it's, you know, blue, beautiful blue sky, west coast. Blue sky a lot of times. And you don't see that gray Midwestern Uck that you guys have to live in.

B

It's gray Midwestern. What are you talking about? You live in Reno.

D

Come on. What Rich don't tell you is. Yeah, it is kind of towards the coast, and they do get a lot of rain there. And it can be. I'm not saying it's gonna be, but it can be a hot, sticky, sweaty, humid, some right there. But it, you know, like Zach said, you're shooting against a background. It's one of the only places here you better pay attention because you see the target so well. You start just poking the gun at it. You better look at it because, yeah, it's not as big. Looks like, you know, you, you've been to those backgrounds where you see it so good. It just looks so easy.

A

Well,

D

you know, like Dave Kelly used to always tell me, you win one handicap up there, you'll pay for your trip. You know, and I know.

B

Absolutely. I know. I'm just looking. There's a lot of flights.

C

Yeah. So that's another point though, that Kyle makes this about the shoot. And Kyle, this is something that you guys did in the program this year that I really like. They've always thrown during that shoot, the executive committee, a handicap every day. Every day they split. And this is another thing, they split the singles up championship singles over two days. I love it.

B

Rich. That'll give you a chance to win.

C

You. Well, you get to shoot something else. I mean, I know Zach likes to stand out there and grind a thousand of those things and you know, woo. Shake his tail feathers and you know, I shot a hundred thousand straight on one day. But it's fun to shoot a handicap target where you're not putting on your cheaters to shoot so close to the target. And

A

so it's, it's true. It's true. And, and we love that. And the Grand Pacific used to be my most favorite shoot every year for fun, you know, I would go because it was the most fun shoot. And you guys recognize your champions really well in the, in the program I even seen, and this is, you know, something that I'd love to see at the ATA level is like you have your rookie of the year and you have a, you know, a congratulations to him inside the program. I mean, that's. Yeah, that stuff right there. I mean, how cool would it be to say, hey, let's make this unique, let's make this important and let's uplift these young shooters and these people that are, you know, that are stepping up. And not to mention the shooter appreciation dinner on Friday. I read, you know, you guys are providing that. And then you said, and it's, you know, small event, obviously, if anybody wants to bring desserts, do potluck. I mean, I love that, that people can get involved and they can bring their own desserts and you know, and make it a, an event where everybody's, you know, bonding and, and yeah, you get that. You get that real good feeling about going to the Grand Pacific, that's for sure.

B

So on your Grand Pacific, Kyle, when is the pre squatting open for that?

D

Ask Bullard, he pays attention to that kind of stuff. It should. Boy, I, I'm not. That's a good question. And you'd have to find out from Bob McClendon or Mr. Pink, but. Yeah.

B

Will it be available on SOS?

A

We'll find out and we'll put it up here. That way people can see when this comes out.

B

So I do, I do see in the program you guys got Dave Kelly Trucking as a sponsor. That's awesome.

C

Yeah, very good. You know, to talk about some of the kind of the stars over time that we've had. You know, real active in the PITA and you know, talking about the competition level. You got the Mullins, you got Chuck Reddit who's one ring has been just an excellent shooter out here guys. That Darrell Handy who's a little long in the tooth but you know, was around for a lot of years. Years. The Dave Kelly's. And I'll tell you a guy that you probably know pretty well, Ricky Richard Schrode. I think you had a little tangle with him.

B

He beat my butt in the clay target championship one year. We shot till 1:30 in the morning and it was him and I and Jody and two people from the EC were there. They were not eligible to walk very well because they were drinking, but that's another story. But yeah, he won. It was 1:30 in the morning. Yeah, Richard, great guy. I hadn't seen him for years until I came out to Dave Kelly's hall of Fame because I really like Dave Kelly. So I came to his hall of fame for the PITA and in Spokane and that was a cool time to see everybody. It's kind of odd because I was there and I was only there for what, 20 hours and Don Bud was there like 12 hours. But yeah, it was nice to see a lot of people and, and such and, and so yeah, I'm just scrolling through your, your program. There's a lot of good history here with you guys do. I mean you've, you've got some heavy hitters out there that, that shoot and yeah, I'd love to, to come to that shoot one of these days May, you know, if it doesn't work this year, then especially you're putting that kind of money and I'd love to come get some of Bullard's money.

C

So you know what I, you know, like I said, hey, I could have tried out for the Celtics, Ricky.

B

Yeah, no, you couldn't have. You wouldn't have made it. You would have made it. You would have made it past the quadruple A team.

C

That's no lie either. But what else haven't we covered, you guys?

B

I, I'm, I, I'm looking through here. I mean, listen, folks, we'll, we'll get a link put up for the program if anybody has any more questions. You know, you can get a hold of these guys. You know, Bullard will talk your ear off worse than me. I learned all my stuff from Bullard. So anybody gets mad, blame it on Bullard.

A

Yeah, I mean, I, I think we covered the main highlights. Is that pound for pound, dollar for dollar, this is the best golden, the gold, the best Grand Pacific program that I've seen in years.

D

Yeah.

A

And you guys have worked your ass off to give that back to the shooter. Now the reality that we talk about on the show all the time is step one, create a great shoot with a great package. Step two, promote it. And we're doing that here today. So, like, if people don't know what's going on, they're not going to go, they're not going to plan it, they're not going to put it on, on their radar. But now that, you know, hopefully some people listen to this and they'll be like, oh crap, it's time for me to go back to the Grand Pacific this year.

B

Yeah. And we can get it out. Yeah, we can get it out here probably in the next, you know, two to three weeks, maybe a month for you guys. Kyle. And that'll get the, the bug hype, you know, because the sooner people know, the easier.

D

And they need to realize that, you know, you guys in the Midwest and stuff are way better shots. So it's really easy to come out here and take our money. So, I mean, I invite them to come.

C

Guy that shows up in his hundred thousand dollar and in his fifty thousand dollar shotgun and he's his, you know, three hundred thousand dollars fifth wheel and he's shooting federal papers and fiocchi papers and then he goes, well, I don't like the $2 increase. I just, I have a hard time with that. And again, I don't want to sound like an elitist, but it's a, it's a, it's a latte at Starbucks a day. Don't go to Starbucks or don't do something and let's get to the shoot. So.

B

Well, and here's the other thing. Rich.

A

You know, Rick, I was at the Autumn grand and the Nevada State shoot, and I was just really impressed with how I could see where my squad was when I was up. Just the technology, the ability to be able to see what options I've played if the event's paid or not. I mean, what's your experience with. With the app?

B

Listen, SOS Clay's app. It's the best thing out there, folks. You can see everything.

D

It's great.

B

You see your option payouts. You can see when you're up, you can see who's paid on your squad. Sometimes Zach doesn't pay on time, but it's.

A

I get out there. But what I really think is, is for gun clubs, it's free. Call Greg, get a hold of him. He'll set you up. He'll get you running.

D

Right.

A

And if you pay the. The premium once a year, you get free pre squatting in all the shoots. And that's the best value in trap shoot.

B

Absolutely. Sos clays dot com.

A

You know, Rick, I. I know you had a lot of involvement with them since the beginning, since they started, but I really love the way that the shot tracker, you know, catches the doubles from shot to shot with the looping. You know, tell the folks what they need to know about that system.

B

It's the best system out there. It's like having a coach on the end of your barrel, like we say, but going especially in doubles, from first shot to second shot. You can see it on the graph. You can see it on video.

A

Yeah. I mean, if you talk about that J Hook with Sean, Holly and all them, I mean, it'll literally show that loop, and I think that's really powerful if you're doing it. They've supported the show since the beginning. They love trap shooting. They're great people. Give them a shot, folks. They make a great product.

B

Take Aim Technologies.

A

Hey, Rick, we got to take a second. We got to thank Outlaw Engineering and the Freston family for supporting trap shooting and supporting Trap Talk podcast. They've been here for us. They're great people, you know. You know them real well, Rick.

B

Yeah, I've known Randy since 1988. R2 and the family, they're great supporter of the show. Coop just won the Autumn Grand Handicap championship with a 97.

A

I know, I was there. I got to interview him. It was great. I was so proud of him. He's doing a great job. Hashtag, where's Coop? He's somewhere with that big buckle. He's having fun. So you need Anything engineering related. Get a hold of Outlaw. They'll take great care of you. Great folks.

B

Thanks for all the support.

C

Outlaw.

B

Hey, hey, Kyle, I do really love the point that you're above Rich Bullet on the All Stars team. I do like that, that I, you know, that's awesome. You know, you, you know that that warms my heart.

A

It makes him happy. Is it, is there, is there anything else that you'd like to say from a, from a, from a vice president position, Kyle, that we're missing? Any, any other messages that you like to give people or.

D

No, I, I don't know. I just think that if you've never shot it and you're thinking about it, there's no better time to come out and, and shoot this shoot. Don't we have something for every skill level of shooter involved there? Don't think that. Correct. Oh man, I can't beat those guys. I have no chance. Because you do have a chance and you know you do. You know, everybody puts their pants on same way, one leg at a time. And like this, a shoot like this, if you can bang a 96 there, you're standing pretty easily. You know, when they went to Spokane, Washington the last year is there I thought, man, I, I can shoot pretty good. I shot a 97 five days in a row in the handicap and they never even knew my name even existed. This is not as shooter friendly a club as it's a plenty breakable target. But it, you know, it's a little challenge to it, you know. And, and

B

would you like that?

A

That's, it's, it's more equatable like as places I've been that I could equate it to. It's more like where if you break that score, it's gonna pay out really well. You know, it's a, it's, you're not gonna have, you know, you get in that 94 to 96 range in the handicap and you really, you really did something at Evergreen. And I, I, I love that about there. I mean you breaking 100 doubles, you're, you know, most times are going to be alone hundred and doubles. I mean 99 is a pretty big score there.

B

Question for, for Kyle and Rich both. Now, Kyle, do you stay on the grounds there in an RV? Yes.

D

Yes.

B

Okay. And Rich, Rich does not buy RVs. He just floods other people's RVs.

C

Yeah.

B

So the hotel situation, are we talking? I'm looking here on the, on the, I pulled up the Google maps just to check out for everybody. So it looks like you're about 20, 25 minutes to Olympia. But it looks like there's, there's a few, some Holiday Inn, some Marriotts a little closer. Yes, by the airport. Is that what airport's at right there, Olympia Airport?

C

Well, that would be. There's Tumwater, there's Evergreen. There's a couple of little fly in airports. They're not very big. They're more commuter airport.

B

Okay.

C

You know, there's. There I stay this year, I'm going to stay in Tumwater a little closer. And you know, there's Ramadas, there's Holiday Inn expresses, there's Best Westerns. They're all kind of right around that general area.

B

All of it. The mayor. I see a couple Marriotts there. Yeah, it's the Olympia Regional Airport. So. Yeah. Okay. Well, that's what I just. Because a lot of people, listeners will be like, well, God, is it close to an airport? Is it close to hotels or is it, you know. Yeah, so, okay.

C

And there's a couple casinos a little farther away. Indian casinos, a distance, but some people stay down there and they never make the shoot. But, oh,

B

not a good thing.

C

It's a really good time.

D

The problem is Rich likes to stay at the one that's about 20, 25 minutes away because he wants room service, his bagel and salmon latte and all that in the morning.

C

I'm pretty spoiled. Ask my wife.

A

He lives a good life.

B

Yes, he does, folks.

A

Well, well, you know, I, I appreciate you all taking the time today to get on here and be on time. That was, that was really nice. And, and, and, and, you know, that being said, I look forward to hearing about the success of the Grand Pacific this year. I, I'm sure you guys are going to see some growth from last year over, over last year to this year and maybe even some more growth next year, you know, so you're building that momentum and seeing, and seeing what it does. But if there's nothing else that you need to share. Appreciate everyone tuning in this Friday to Trap Talk. Like, share, subscribe. Make sure to wear your Trap Talk merch Ricky's got looking good as always. We, we try to get Rich onto our stuff, but he's more of a collared guy, so he just wears, I

C

got my sayings on there, the mustard slips off the hot dog and I have no royalties.

A

We're working on those royalties as we speak. So. Yeah, Kyle, we appreciate you coming on the show. And notably, folks, you know, we had Kyle on here as a member of the PITA board But really, Kyle is one of the best shooters in the west coast, and. And, you know, he would be a great addition to just talking trap shooting with him and his style, his ability, you know, because he has done so much on the west coast. He is one of the top guns over there, and as known as the guy that's a thorn in your side when you're at a shoot. You're like, I got to get over Kyle today. I mean, he's. He's one of the. He's one of the guys that knows how to get it done and shoots a lot of clubs with a lot of variants and target. So, you know, we really appreciate you being on the show today, Kyle.

D

Well, I appreciate you guys having me and help promote this. And we just want to make sure we have a. A good shoot for all the shooters, not any certain people. You know, we want it to be a successful people. Come have a good time and. And, you know, we got to listen to Rich and we do get a list, spend a lot of good time with, you know, Dave Kelly and other people that are worth listening to, but, you know, there's not.

B

Our buddy Kobayashi. Give a shout out, Ricky.

C

Rick last year won the haa.

B

Yeah, I saw this for him.

A

Good for him.

C

Shot really well. So. Yeah.

A

Well, thank you, guys. We're signing off today, and we'll see you at a shoot near you very soon.

B

That's right.

A

Safe. And thanks for listening.

B

Good luck, everyone.

D

Thank you, Sam.