Retired Police Officers Marianne Robb and Dave Rich investigate a 911 Ghost Call and a UFO seen near the Travis Walton abduction site/ It's our 150th episode!

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You are listening to the UFO Talker podcast. Come with us as we explore UFOs from the past and the present. With insightful discussions, interviews and reviews, we will add our voice to the mysteries that have been seen in our skies and oceans for all of human history. Now here is our host, Michael Ryan.

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Welcome everybody to the podcast. This is season four, episode 37, coming to you from Studio 7H overlooking the very full Trent river here in Ontario, Canada.

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And I'm Christine Scott coming to you from Studio 9B in the beautiful warehouse district in Regina, Saskatchewan where we are under a heat warning.

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And on today's episode, I interview retired police officers Marianne Rob and Dave Richard who run UAP pd and they talk about a police officer that saw a UFO in the same area as Travis Walton did 51 years ago. So today I'm drinking sparkling grape juice out of a champagne glass and Christine, what are you having?

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Oh, I'm back to my usual red wine and a travel mug.

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But you know, why, why is that?

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What do we have to remind everybody?

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Well, today is the last episode of season four and it is also our 150th episode. Out of sight.

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Yeah.

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Six seasons in a movie.

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I can't believe it.

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I know. I can't believe it either. Where does the time go?

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I know.

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As they say, now we have to take care of some UFO talker business. Right now there are some new and exciting things happening with UFO Talker. Coming in mid to late June, we'll be launching our brand new YouTube channel where you'll find our podcast and new features connected to the podcast. We're also creating a brand new short form video series called that Human Said. What? These will be relaxed, fast paced videos covering UFO topics, strange stories, interesting opinions, book reviews and everything else that fits into a 15 minute format. You'll be able to watch them on Both our new YouTube channel and the UFO Talker podcast Facebook page. So make sure you're following us there. To stay up to date, we're also planning a special episode of that Human Said. What? And I just like saying that in that particular way where we are answering questions about ourselves, the podcast and our experiences. We're looking for two things from our listeners. First, we'd love you to send in your questions you'd like to ask us. And second, we're looking for someone who would like to interview us on this episode. Now, you don't need any broadcasting experience and you definitely don't need a traditional radio voice. We're simply looking for someone genuine and interesting. If you'd like to submit questions or try out for the interviewer position. Send us a 2 minute audio clip of your voice or arrange a phone call with us so we can hear you. Just put questions voice in the subject line of the email and email us@ufotalkerell.net no later than June 13, 2026. And finally, if you have enjoyed season four of UFO Talker and would like to help support the show, one of the best ways you can help is through the Buy me a Coffee app, which you can find on our website. Your support helps us continue researching cases, buying new equipment and growing the show. Every contribution, no matter the size, is greatly appreciated. And as always, thank you for being part of the UFO talker community. So now we're going to cover a couple of UFO shows and conferences and first we're going to talk about contact in the desert, which actually starts tomorrow, Thursday, May 28, and it runs till Monday, June 1. And this is the big one. That's everyone who's anyone is going to be there. So speakers will include, and this is just a very short list, Jacques Vallee, George Norrie, George Knapp, Ron James, who we interviewed last week, Paul Hynek, and the people who are on today's show, Marianne Robb and Dave Rich, they're going to be there as well. And the second show is called the Disclosure Forum 2026 and it's titled Humanity at the Edge of Discovery. And this will be held at the Russell Senate Office building in Washington D.C. on June 25th and it'll be in the Kennedy Caucus Room. Now this is open to the public and it's a little bit unique because it's a lot of senators and congressmen, plus a lot of great speakers and they'll be talking on specific subjects. And the speakers I'm going to mention here, and this is only a few of them, will be Christopher Mellon, Jordan Flowers, Hunt Willis, Susan Winterberg, and Senator Christine Gillibrand and several other senators. So that is very unique. It's. You don't often get to sit in on something like that. So if you can make it there, I think that would definitely be worthwhile. Okay, so Christine, now we're going to do some UFO news and we're going to cover the second dump of the US Government that has released a whole bunch of videos, some audio, and also some PDFs of documents. And I'm going to say it's a lot like the first dump in that it's interesting, definitely interesting, but it's to me, it doesn't really doesn't really clear anything up because even though there's a lot more videos, all of these videos are from infrared cameras and they have blocked out all of the information, you know, like speeds and height and where it was and all those things. So you really can't tell anything. There's a lot of people out there that are looking these over and commenting on them. And I really have to disagree with a lot of them because, you know, I believe that if you showed this to somebody but you didn't tell them this was of a UFO or UAP and you weren't talking about UFOs and you said, what do you think this is? I think most people would say they wouldn't have a clue.

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No, no.

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What they were looking at. It looks like, it looks like a lot of gray and black and mid tones and weird shade. It looks like a weird artistic impressionistic painting.

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Yeah, what am I supposed to be looking at here? Type thing.

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Yeah, yeah. And I think again, like if you had an expert who knew all about this equipment and he could point things out, I mean, that could really change things because he could say, this is what you're looking at and this is where the camera was. But I would say there's a few of them where you can make out, you know, generally what's happening. There's one of them is a submarine you can see, but I'm gonna say like 90% of them, like, seriously, I don't really know what I'm looking at. You're looking at a little tiny fuzzy object which appears to be going very fast, but, you know, it's hard to say. What did you think of the second dump?

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Well, I pretty much agree with you. The one that kind of interested me was the ones in, was it Sandia, New Mexico? Because that's kind of a restricted facility. Kind of interesting. They reported, I mean, every. Orbs. These are a lot of orbs.

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Yes, orbs.

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And Sandia, New Mexico. It was kind of a restricted area, restricted facility. So that's always interesting when you get that. But I think I told you the story of. There was a guy in, came in the bookstore and we were talking about UFOs and he didn't know about the podcast. We just said, he said, you know, I had a lot of experiences when I was younger and I thought I was, maybe something happened. So I, I encouraged him to keep talking and he, you know, did have the feeling of being an abduction experience. But he remembers being told, he thinks he remembers being told that the orbs are like Ubers, they're delivery drivers. And he told me that. And I went, when? When were you told that? And he thinks, well, in, you know, in the 1970s.

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Wow.

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And now he used the term Ubers. And I went, well, you know, they're zipping around a lot. They're orbs and they're everywhere. That's not a bad analogy.

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Yes, yes. Yeah, the. We talked a little bit about this before the show, but the one bit of information that I think is totally solid and you don't really hear many people talking about it, Is they released 160 documents that were from 1949 to 1950. And a lot of these documents were about these green, what they called green fireballs back then. Now, I have heard about these before in other UFO books, but this is the first time where we are. Where we're actually seeing documents, you know, written by, at the time by important people. And I'm just going to highlight some of the stuff, and there's a lot more to digest. When you look through it is a lot of these reports, it was. They were written by Lincoln La Paz, who is a very famous astronomer and meteor expert at the time. And I believe that a lot of people who had heard about it, they've always dismissed these sightings as just meteorites.

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That's.

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That's all anybody was seeing. But when you look through these documents, you quickly see that, wow, these weren't meteorites because, you know, they had Lincoln La Paz looking into it. Another, another gentleman, W.D. crozier, he. And he wrote a lot of scientific reports and chemical and microscopic analysis. And another gentleman, Ben E. Seeley, who worked with Crozier, and also a very high intelligence officer, Richard W. Klein. And you know, when you start looking at all the people who were investigating these, the green fireballs, as they call them, this was a formidable team of experts. So right away you're thinking, okay, so somebody took this very seriously because you're not collecting all these people. And also, many, many organizations were involved. So, you know, people like the Sandia Base, the White Sands Missile Base, Kirkland Air Force Base, Holloman Air Force Base, the Atomic Energy Commission was involved. And one of the reasons was these fireballs were seen at every one of those places I just mentioned. Yeah, but it wasn't just once. It wasn't just like, oh, yeah, Thursday, one flew over. This was multiple, multiple times over many weeks. And as you read the reports, you find out that these things that were called fireballs, which make. Lead you to believe they're meteorites. They were flying horizontally and not showing any characteristics of a meteorite. Some of them changed course, some of them hovered. There was no sound from any of these. And they were a bright green, which is an unusual color for a meteorite. And so something else that. Boy, did this ever jump out at me on the page when I read it is they started to investigate or they wanted to collect dust that was seen falling from the sky after these objects went by. And they were working on getting B25s and modifying them. And one thing that they talked about and I about fell off my chair is because they said they started to find copper. And it's very unusual to find copper because copper in a meteorite is extremely rare. And I thought, well, copper dust from one of these bright green objects. Where have we heard that before? That is right out of Lynn Rule's book we had on the show a few weeks ago. And I, I just keep coming back this. I don't know why Lynn Rule's book is always coming back to a lot of the shows that we're doing. And I think sooner or later, you know, somebody important is going to make a connection between all of this because I think what she discovered or what happened to her is a big, big time clue. And when you're reading these documents from 1949 and it's so similar to what she went through, it just, it makes you pause for sure. And a lot of these experts, you know, when they were talking about these things that people were saying were fireballs, a lot of the experts were saying, well, they showed controlled flight characteristics. So these weren't things you ever saw before. I think, because these documents are released now.

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Yeah.

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You know, you just had read over many years, oh, those are those fireballs that were probably the meteorites. And then when you see all these people connected with it and all the important organizations that were involved, you're thinking, yeah, I don't think anyone there was thinking that these were nothing because as we've just mentioned, these things were flying over very secret facilities. All the atomic weapons facilities, Air force bases that were. Had atomic weapons on them. Yeah. So this caused them a lot of concern. So I think we will be looking into this more because this is, I'm going to say for me, this is the most important thing out of this dump. And oddly enough, it's the least talked about. Everybody's talking about the crazy infrared footage that, you know, could be anything. I don't know what I'm looking at. Right. You just have to have somebody explain it to you really.

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Now the reason I found Sandia so interesting. If you don't know about this place, I certainly didn't. Sandia National Laboratories. It operates as one of three R&D labs of the Department of Energy. Semi autonomous agenc, which is the National Nuclear Security Administration. But it's also a federally funded research and development center sponsored by the Department of Energy, engaged with critical national security missions. Now again, why is this important? It's a multi mission laboratory. Its primary goal is the advancement of US national security through R and D science based technologies. Founded in 1949, its immediate ties were to the Manhattan Project. It's been a pillar in The Advancement of U.S. nuclear weapons science and technology.

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But.

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But it has also since its inception been accused of ties to UFO crash retrieval.

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Yes.

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And material exploitation projects. USAF Master Sergeant Edgar Fouche claimed Sandia and Lawrence Livermore reverse engineered the propulsion Device for the TR3B ARV. New Mexico state Representative J. Andrew Kistner interviewed numerous individuals within UFO legacy programs. Learning UFO materials were kept in the hands of AEC labs like Sandia. And then Sandia changed hands from intriguing corporations such as AAT&T, Lockheed Martin, Honeywell. Discussion of Sandia. Basically it's a critical piece to UFO legacy programs.

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Yes. Yeah, yeah, I like we're saying that this, these documents, I think this is the real gold of this second dump. And you know, forgive me, I think the people who are releasing this, they don't even know what they're releasing. I think they, yeah, they just said, oh here's some old stuff. Release that.

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We don't know what it is.

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We don't know. We like these infrared things. Look at that weird thing flying through the air. I think that's literally, that's how it is. But I could be totally wrong. But yeah, I think, yes, as we're saying this is the real, the real gold and we'll be talking about this more for sure. So now we're going to do our shout out to a small town or city where we have listeners and, and today we are giving our shout out to Bathurst which is a town in New South Wales, Australia. Now it's also unique because it has, we have Listers there, but even more unique because that is the birthplace of my father.

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Oh really?

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Yes, my father, if in case you didn't know, he's from Australia and that's where he was born. Bathurst.

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Wow.

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Yeah, so I have actually been to Bathurst. So it's another one of these places where I've actually traveled to. The population is 44,621 and Bathurst is about 200 km or 120 miles west northwest of Sydney. And one of the most famous things there is the Mount Panorama racetrack, which brings a lot of people in there. And oddly enough, during. When they're not using the racetrack, you can actually drive with your own car onto the racetrack.

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Oh, that'll be so much fun.

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There's a road that actually goes onto it and people drive there like on weekends and during the week when there's no races. And of course, I looked at videos of. I looked at videos of Bathurst and it is extremely charming. There's a lot of old buildings and just, oh, is brimming with history, that's for sure.

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It's beautiful. And I did not realize they call it gold country because it was the site of Australia's first discovery of payable gold.

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Yes.

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And the site of Australia's first gold rush, which is pretty cool.

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Yes. And that is probably why my relatives were there.

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Yes, it's the home to thee. Because we love dinosaurs here in this house. We love dinosaurs. It's the central. Bathurst has the Australian Fossil and Mineral Museum, which not only houses the Somerville collection of fossils and minerals, has Australia's only complete Tyrannosaurus rex skeleton.

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Wow. Yeah, wow, that is interesting. Now we're going to do a shout out to the bakery. And Bathurst has a lot of bakeries, as most cities I found out do. And this one has just a great name. And I could just say this name on this show and every show thereafter. The name of this place is called Food. We do.

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Now, can you get a better name? Really? You cannot?

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Yeah. Where are you going? Oh, Food. We do.

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Oh, we know exactly what we're in for.

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If you say it fast enough, it sounds like a new word.

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Yeah.

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Now it's a very quaint looking place and they have. Oh, yeah, a lot of good stuff as usual. So I'm going to highlight some of it. They have a orange and almond cake, kind of a cake tart kind of a thing. Then they have an apple Danish and they have a thing called a scroll which kind of looks a little bit like a cinnamon bun. And there's another thing now we. Well, I heard this at least a long time ago, I think was a shout out in a British town. They make a cruffin.

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Oh, yes, I love cruffins.

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Yeah, cruffin, which is a flaky buttery croissant and a muffin mixed together. And I didn't actually know that till we covered it. I think it was a couple of months ago on an episode. And they also make another thing, which again, I have no clue. Never heard of this before. It's called a blueberry friand and that is a French almond cake with blueberries in it.

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Oh, yum.

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But it looks a bit, a little bit like a tart. A little bit. And then they make something. And I have heard of this, believe it or not, but you don't hear about it very often. They have a ferangia pan tart that is very good. Now they also have some unusual drinks and I noticed that on one of my trips to Australia that they have different names for coffee for sure. Now some of those names are making their way over here. One of their drinks they call Piccolo Coffee.

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Oh, Piccolo, that's a nice name.

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Yeah, Piccolo Coffee. So it is a small milk based espresso drink and it was invented in Australia.

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I did not know that.

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And then they make another drink called a long black coffee, which I heard that all the time. And apparently that's a double shot of espresso over a small amount of water.

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Well, if you want your caffeine, like a good jolt of caffeine, if you

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want to stay up for the next 24 hours, just have a couple of those. Now they have another drink. So. So many drinks this place makes I've never heard of. They have another one that's called a baby chino.

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Oh, would that be like a little baby. Little baby drink. You can't handle a big one.

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So

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it's actually made for kids. And it kind of looks like a latte or espresso, but it's just a foamed, frothy milk with cocoa powder.

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Oh. So see then, kids. I was gonna say it sounds like something for fun for kids.

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Yes, yes.

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It isn't coffee, but they can pretend they're having coffee with the adults.

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I know, I know. And this place also food. We do. They also grow many of the vegetables they use and they make their own honey. Well, the bees make the honey, but they have their own hives there. And I thought, wow, because they also make a lot of savory things as well, not just this. So that is our shout out to Bathurst, New South Wales in Australia.

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I'd just like to thank everyone for coming along with us through all the year, for through all 150 episodes at whatever point you joined us. And Mike, I'm still so happy you asked me to be part of this project.

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I know, I know. I think back on that and I think we've mentioned it on a few shows now, but we actually met up when I was publishing Home Movies magazine, which was a laserdisc review publication. That's where we first met. And as I started this show, I thought, okay, this would be perfect for Christine Scott. And the rest, as they say, is history. As far as I know, this will be the only summer of 2026 there will ever be. So we just want to thank all of you for being part of the UFO Talker family. We hope you take some time to slow down and enjoy the little things in life. The warm nights, the laughter of friends and family, the quiet moments, and even those endless blue sky days where you can just sit back and watch the clouds drift by. Now remember, life is made up of the small things. And despite everything going on in the world today, there are still a lot of great people out there. Whether you're traveling, sitting around a campfire, looking up at the stars, or simply enjoying a peaceful evening at home, we hope you have a safe, peaceful and unforgettable summer. And thank you for listening, believing, questioning, and sharing this amazing journey with us. So now it's time to say, see you in September.

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See you in the fall. Have a great summer. I'll sign your yearbooks.

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I know. It's like we're cleaning out the lockers and saying goodbye to everybody. Now sit back in your favorite chair, relax, mix your favorite pod tiny. And listen to the words now as they fly magically through the air. Thank you, Tom Snyder. And we'll be right back after this message.

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It was a dark night, and I was driving on a lone road in the middle of nowhere. Then I saw this light. This very mysterious light. Well, that's how the story goes. And we've been hearing this story for a very long, long time. It's a story that has been told by so many people, you can't even really keep track anymore. What is this phenomenon trying to tell us? Sometimes I wonder if there is a meaning. Or is it like some giant puzzle that we are never meant to put together? Like trying to capture a whisper in the wind or trying to walk between raindrops on a Sunday afternoon. Flying saucers, UFOs, UAPs, top secret, classified, NSA, CIA, confidential. So many people involved and so many secrets. Hell, so much misinformation is out there now. It is virtually impossible to tell the real from the imaginary. And come to think of it, maybe that's just the way they want it. Well, I'm going to leave you with a thought. Well, it's actually something Mike keeps telling me I've got to listen to. It's this quote by Ray Manzarek. Yeah, the Doors guy. He says it's like one of those crystal clear moments where everything comes into focus. Words that have a feeling, words that bring you right to that moment, and you know exactly what Ray meant. Well, I could go on, but it's better if you get it straight from rey. And maybe Mr. Mojo Raisen is listening, too.

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You have to be open to the energy. If you can open your heart to the energy, that great love energy of the creation of this entire universe, good

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things will happen to you.

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But you've got to believe. You've got to believe in the goodness. You have to open your heart to the energy. You can't be afraid. We're all riders on the storm. God bless you.

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My next guests are two retired Arizona police officers who spent nearly a combined six decades investigating crimes, interviewing witnesses, and searching for the truth. Marianne Robb has spent 34 years in Arizona law enforcement. And Dave Rich has spent 25 years in Arizona law enforcement. After they retired, they became MUFON field investigators and instructors. Together they co founded UAP pd. Marianne and Dave, welcome to the podcast.

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Mike, thank you for having us. This is wonderful.

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Yes, thanks for having us on.

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Now, I guess the first question I want to ask, why did you guys start UAPD?

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Well, I will start with that question. Back in about the middle of 2022, I went to a MUFON meeting. MUFON stands for Mutual UFO Network. And went to a meeting here in Phoenix, Arizona, and they had a guest speaker that was talking about disclosure. And of course, you've got your military talking, you've got airline pilots talking about this stuff. But after the meeting, I was just thinking about that. I said, you know what? I never heard anything about law enforcement or first responders kind of coming forward because you know that they're seeing something. You've got over 800,000 police officers in just United States alone that are working 24, 7, 365 days a week. Excuse me, a year, not a week. And they. They're out there. They're in a patrol car. They're under the wide open sky. And why aren't they talking? You know, they must see something. So after the meeting, I went home and was talking to a good friend of mine named Alejandro Rojas. Alejandro is with Open Minds. He is the founder of Open Minds, and also he works for Enigma Labs. And we were talking about that, and he goes, you know what? That's an interesting idea. Interesting Question. Why aren't law enforcement folks talking about these things? So I got ahold of Dave on the phone. I called him, and. And I. And I told about the meeting, and I told him about, you know, the thoughts. Why aren't law enforcement officers talking about these things? And all of a sudden he said, I will tell you exactly why officers are not talking. And then he proceeds me to. Proceeds to tell me what happened to him in 2017. And now this is where I'm going to turn the mic over to Dave to explain that.

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All right, so like Marianne said back in 22, she gives me this call, says, hey, what's going on with law enforcement first responders? Why are they not talking about these things that they may be seeing? And so what happened to me when I told her, hey, I can tell you exactly what happened. Back in 2017, I was working in an assignment as a school resource officer at one of the high schools out here in Arizona, and it was April 8th of 2017. I remember exactly the day. It was the day of prom. So I end up showing up at the site for prom, and the principal of the school comes up to me and says, hey, did you hear about the 911 call that happened at the school? And I looked at him, and I thought it was weird because it was a Saturday. I was like, why would there be a 911 call at the school on a Saturday? And he kind of just started laughing and said, hey, you need to call dispatch. So I'm like, okay. So I called dispatch. I'm like, aiden, Was there a 911 call at my school today? And the dispatcher kind of laughs and says, hey, you need to talk to this patrol officer? And I'm like, okay. So now I'm at the point where I'm like, why won't somebody tell me about this 901 call at my school? So I send a text message to this officer because I had a cell number, and I'm like, hey, dude, did you have a call at my school today? And he says, the response is, dude, your school is blank, haunted. And I'm like, okay. So I give him a call. And I. At this time in my life, I was 100% a skeptic. I didn't believe in ghosts, UFOs, Bigfoot, black dust monster, any of those things. I. I was 100%. There's a logical, logical explanation for everything. So I called this guy out. I'm like, dude, what are you talking about? And so he tells me this story. So at about noon, Just before noon, it was 11:54. We had a 911 call from the front desk of the school. There's two phones at the front desk of the school. And this was reception B, the second phone. And 911 operator picks up the phone, and it sounds like a woman who says, I'm scared, but she's kind of like whisper talking. You could still hear it clear as day, but she's kind of talking in a whispered tone. Dispatcher says, what was that? And it says it again, I'm scared. Dispatcher responds with, you're scared? And then it says, no. And then you hear the phone get dropped onto the countertop. You hear that, like kind of plastic on countertop dropping sound. So then for 14 minutes, the dispatcher is going, hello? Hello? Pick up the phone. Hello, Are you there? Come on, pick up the phone. In the meantime, they dispatch two officers to the school. So the officers get there, it's a Saturday, so there's nobody in the office. And they make entry into the school with what's called a Knox box key. So every patrol officer has this master key that can open up a lockbox outside the school, which gives them a key to them to the school itself so they can make entry if need be. So they make entry into the admin office, which is where the reception desk is. Now, in this admin office, the only things that are in there are the principals, the assistant principal office, counseling, the nurse's office, and reception. So they walk inside, the officer walks right up to the desk, sees the foam receiver laying off the hook, just on the counter shot. He picks it up and has a conversation with the dispatcher. So he's like, this has to be the phone. You're on the 911 call. We're gonna do a search of the building, thinking there must have been somebody on the phone. And they just dropped the phone on the counter. So he hangs up. The two officers proceed to search the entire building, and they find nobody. So they line up to go into the nurse's office is the last room that they have to check. And so it's this door off of the main hall. So the way that they entered the room as they did what's called a stack. So one guy goes in front of the other, one guy peels right, one guy peels left, because you don't know which. How big the room is, which direction the room goes from that point. So as they open the door and the one peels right, one peels left. As they are separating and peeling apart from Each other, something that neither of them can see, physically shove them out of the way. So they physically get their shoulders push like something is running past them. They both turn around and run out of the room looking for whatever it is, and there's nothing there. So he tells me this story and I'm listening to the phone and I'm like, right, okay. And I was content to let it go. So I, thanks, cool, talk to you later. And I leave it at that. And my first thought was, this is weird because I know both these officers, they're not going to make something up like that. But that's just. That's unbelievable. So I don't think much of it because it's a Saturday until Monday. I show up at work on Monday. My sergeant comes up to me and goes, hey, did you Hear about the 901 call at your school? I'm like, yeah. And he's like, you need to investigate. And I'm like, timeout. Why? He looks. It's misuse of 911. And I'm like, okay. Now, at the time that he told me to investigate it, I did not know this about this sergeant. He was a very big ghost nut. He loved investigating stuff. He loved ghost stories, he loved everything about it. He also knew that I was about as hardcore skeptic as you could get. I had also at that point in my career been a homicide detective, a sex crimes detective, a gang detective. I had a wealth of investigative experience. So what he loved was the idea of taking somebody who didn't believe, who is trained in how to do all his investigations, that I'm going to make him investigate this. I'm like, okay, So I started this investigation. I investigate everything. I pull the security footage from the front desk, I pull the 911 tape from dispatch. I send the 911 tape out for analysis. Because at the time I was thinking, well, it's either somebody that was in the office or maybe it was a computer generated thing, something like that. So I send that out for analysis. I watched the video from the front desk. Now, that phone in question is almost dead center of the screen. You have the desk. You can see both in front of the desk, behind the desk, both sides of the desk. If there's anybody on that phone, you will see them in that video. There's no way to get to that desk without being seen on the video. At the time that that phone call comes in, there is nobody standing at that desk. The camera is not detailed enough to see the phone come off the receiver. But it is 100% detailed enough to see when the officer walks in, him walk over, pick it up off the counter and have the conversation. The nurse's office does not have a camera in it, but there's a camera outside. The nurse, the same one that sees the phone has the cam, the nurse's office doorway right at the bottom of it. When they get to that point, I see them going and searching. They're looking around. You see them here and there. You see the two of them stack up and go into the nurse's office. And then within a couple seconds, you see the two of them run out like they're looking for something. So I'm looking at this, thinking to myself, this is weird. I don't understand. This doesn't make sense. So I launch into this full investigation, 100% convinced I'm going to find a logical explanation to all of this. Long story short, after running down every possible lead, I could not come up with a rational explanation for what this was. It wasn't a call routed in from another classroom because 911 confirmed it wasn't. It wasn't computer generated. Because I get the results back from the guy who analyzed the 920. He says, first of all, it's not a computer generated voice. It's also not a human voice. And he's like, more importantly, you know, it's also not saying I'm scared. And I'm like, well, what does it say? He said, it actually says I scare. And then, wow, okay. And so when the dispatcher said, you're scared? It says no, and then drops the phone on the counter. So I'm getting all these, like. I'm left with like, I have no idea what the heck it is. I further the investigation. I end up finding out from the nurse because I ended up talking to the nurse because they want the incident, whatever it was. That second part happened in the nurse's office. So I interview the nurse. At first, the nurse didn't want to tell me anything. I go back the next day. She or the later in that day, she still doesn't want to talk about it because she, she bases background on her. She's the wife of a sheriff's deputy. So I had known her for years, very friendly, very outgoing personality. I walk in and talk to her and she's all bubbly and happy like you would expect the school nurse to be, until I brought up this call. And then she completely shut down. So I'm like, okay, well, I've been a cop long enough to know that That's a clue. So I kind of let it go, come back a couple hours later, same thing. She's friendly, outgoing, until I bring up the phone call. Then she locks down. So I'm like, give it a break. I wait. I come back, like three days later, and I asked her again. And as soon as I bring up the phone call, she basically slams her pen down on the desk and says, fine, I'm going to tell you. And I'm like, tell me what? And she proceeds to tell me that her entire life she had been followed by spirits that will follow her from where she lives. She'll move to a different house, everything will be fine for a couple of days, and then all this activity will happen. And she described the activity as being like what you would typical. What you would assume for a typical haunted house. Footsteps upstairs, doors slamming when there's nobody there. Her husband saw a little girl run by in the hallway, and they did not have a little girl. Her son, who's also a sheriff's deputy, now confirmed hearing things and seeing things. Her dog will bark at the corner when there's nothing there. So that kind of activity. So I'm like, well, why didn't you tell me this before? And she's like, well, because three weeks ago, everything at the house stopped. And I'm like, okay. And I looked at, why are you telling me now? And she's like, because last night everything started again. So I ended up looking with dispatch and just called me, curious now at this point, because I'm having that moment of really questioning what I truly believe. And I asked Dispatch about the 911 call, and they're like, oh, by the way, you know, this is the third 911 call in the last three weeks from the school. And the type lined up perfectly with her saying where everything ended at the house. So that's what happened to me. Now, where the UAPPD gets created or the stigmas that we talk about come into play. Happened about three days later when I get a phone call from a sergeant on the second floor. Now, in law enforcement, whenever you say on the second floor, you never want to go talk to the people on the second floor. So he calls me, he's like, hey, you need to come back to the station. I need to talk to you. Okay. So I'm driving back to the station. I'm thinking to myself, what did I do wrong? I've actually had a really good week. I get back there, I go upstairs to his office, and he's sitting in his office, he has two computer screens. And one of them is the. Is the security footage from the front desk of the school. Pause. And the other one is a nine, is the MP3 player with the 911 recording. He proceeds to play both video, the video and the audio. And looks at me and says, you expect me to believe this? And I look at him and I'm like, I don't care what you believe. This is what I found. And he proceeded to accuse me of making up everything, of getting the 911 center, the school district, the people that analyzed the phone were called, the people who gained the security footage, the patrol officers that responded, and the school staff, all involved in this grand conspiracy to make up this incident. And I. Why would I do that? He's like, you tell me. And I'm like, you're not good enough of a cop to pull that. So needless to say, a argument happened at this time in my career. This is the part that really kind of makes. Even today, I'm still a little irritated about it. At that time in my career, I had received the life saving award, meritorious conduct, distinguished service, distinguished team citation, two times. I had, like, more decorations than a Christmas tree. I had a pretty good career in law enforcement. This guy who was accusing me of lying basically did nothing with his career but figure out a way to promote. So needless to say, an argument takes place. But in the course of that argument, I was basically told, I will not write up a report. I will not talk about it any further. I'm going to keep my mouth shut. So I go storming out of the room. About halfway down the stairs, I realize, you have six years left in your career. You need to just shut your mouth. And so I kept my mouth shut for almost six years. And then two months before I retired, Marianne has to call me out of the blue and ask me about this. And so what ended up happening is I realized as we were talking and I explained all this to her and Alejandro, and Alejandro was like, well, you guys need to start talking about this. And I was like, why? And he's like, because right now, the leading theory going around is that law enforcement and first responders are part of a government conspiracy to hide the truth. And I'm like, that's not even close to what it is. We're being told by our uppers to not talk about it too. And even to the point of being told you will not, or ordered you will not talk about it. So after a while, we ended up deciding the, you know, what if it happened to Me, it's happening to other people. And I remember what it felt like for six years to have this something that I couldn't talk about because every year around Halloween time, it would come up and some officer would start talking about it, and they'd be like, dude, just be quiet, because nobody knows about the meeting that happened upstairs. It wasn't like I was advertising that, but every time they brought it up, I kept saying, guys, we just need to let it go. Let it go, and I want to talk about it. And so if that was happening to me, then we realized it's happening to other people all over the country, all over the world. So we created this organization, not so much to hunt down ghosts or UFOs or Bingfoot, but to provide a safe place for first responders who've had experiences like me to talk about it and start moving past it and healing. And in the process, if we come up with some answers, great. I would love to get some answers. But our main focus is really trying to help first responders who have experienced something that they can't explain. Because we have all these things in place in police work and just first responders in general. If you went on a horrible car accident and had to recover something or dealt with a dead body or a major crime scene, there are all sorts of things in place for your mental health, for your. To get you back to where you need to be. There's nothing in place for this type of situation. And so what we wanted to do is kind of create that for these first responders. These are people that dedicated their lives to helping others, and we want to help them back.

B

It's amazing because as you both know really well, that the police are really the people that everybody calls for all of this kind of stuff, like UFOs or that kind of thing. And the police forces all around the world are really the first people to have to deal with it. So it's amazing that you don't hear about this more often, but I know it totally exists. Now, this brings up my second question. Are you aware of any police forces that have official protocols for handling UFOs or paranormal reports, artificial protocols?

A

No, we've heard from during one of our. I don't want to call it a session, but we were speaking with some officers from one of the reservations out here, and he was giving us some stories, and they have a kind of like, informal protocol about one specific situation where it leads to a little bit of a story. I hope it's okay. It's kind of a short One, but it's basically, there's this mission, like a church mission on this lonely, deserted dirt road. And they have a unwritten policy that when you drive past that mission, you need to reach up in the rear view mirror in the patrol car, you need to flip it up so that you can't see in the back seat. And I was like, well, why is that? And he's like, because there are people who, if you look in the back seat, you will see two glowing red eyes of, like, something sitting in the backseat. And their policy says if you see those eyes, you need to immediately contact your supervisor, you need to respond back to the station, and they need to get with a shaman to conduct a ceremony to sever an attachment that has happened to you. Now, you will. You will never see that written in anything. But we had three different officers from that agency all confirm that that unwritten policy is in place.

E

And, Mike, one of the things we'll bring up here in a little bit, talking about the Indian reservation, the one Dave is talking about is in our area, in the Phoenix area. But we have quite a few stories from just that Indian reservation. Probably at least seven officers that have at least two to three stories each that comes to us and tells us their stories. Now, one of the things with uappd, when we talk to officers, we let them know that they are the ones to basically take charge of the interview. When I say that, I mean, if they feel comfortable saying their names or allowing us to use their names and maybe their agencies, great. If they want to remain anonymous, we say, fantastic, Whatever they feel most comfortable. Now, it's interesting. The Indian reservation officers are like, yeah, please use our name. Sounds great, no problem. Then you have agencies other than the reservations. They're like, well, maybe use my last name or maybe use my first name, or, you know what? Just use. I'm a police agency in Utah or Texas or somewhere like that, they don't want to be identified. Now, one of the reasons that we see the Indian reservations are more apt to talk about these things free and open. And they also actually laugh at us when we say, yeah, there's other officers that want to be unidentified, you know, remain anonymous. And I'm going to let Dave explain why. The reservations are very open in talking about these.

A

So, yeah, so on the reservations, you need to remember one thing. Every first responder agency is a reflection of the community that they work for. So things that a community believe in or things that are commonplace in a certain community, you're going to find that your first Responding agencies also share those similar beliefs. So one of the things that we noticed during all these interviews is whenever we would speak with these officers from a reservation, because things like spirits, cryptozoological creatures, star people, skinwalkers, little people, things like that are so interwoven in their culture, the agencies have no problem talking about it either, because what they do is they liken it to. You talk about a payphone. Everybody's seen a payphone. I couldn't tell you where there is one right now, but, you know, payphones exist. It's a similar thing where when they're on the res, if they talk about, like, for example, a skinwalker, if you're talking about skinwalker, there's going to be, like, half the people in the room are going to be like, oh, you know, I haven't seen one, but my uncle saw one, my aunt saw one, my father saw one, I know my cousin saw one. So it's so interwoven in their culture. There isn't really that stigma of unbelievability attached to it, because it's in their culture. And that's kind of part of what we're doing with UAPD is trying to take that stigma of, oh, it's so unbelievable, it's crazy, and just try and push that needle like we always talk about. If you're off the reservation and you talk about something like this, the initial response from the community is going to be, that guy's crazy, instead of having that initial response be, that guy's crazy. What if we could make enough stories come to light that the initial response is, oh, well, they saw something. Maybe it's not. Maybe it's a ghost, maybe it's a ufo, maybe it's Bayfoot. Maybe it's none of those things. It's just a misidentification or, I don't know, hallucination, a trink of the light, something that has nothing to do with it. But instead of automatically assuming that the person is crazy, if we can help people all of a sudden say, oh, you know what, they had some sort of sighting, then we're making progress towards progressing towards that area where it's not going to be so taboo to talk about.

B

That is, I think, a really excellent point. My next question is, and you must get lots of these phone calls or emails, is how do these unexplained encounters affect officers emotionally? Like, do you ever get to talk to these guys? And maybe some of their situations, what's happened has really affected them, not just like another day at the office. Like it's really changed their, their worldview. Do you talk to many people like that?

A

Everybody that we talk to, we, we've probably in the last three years have close to a hundred different stories. And the thing that's interesting is they're all across the board. Like we talk to certain people who for some reason have really embraced it and emotionally there's not really a lot of hang up there. They seem to like have a good connection with it. They believe it or they're okay with it. Oh, we've had others that are like the opposite end of the spectrum. Like I remember we interviewed a detective who had an amazing case that we're not going to go into. He came in, sat down at the table and I have, and I had known him for years. I have never seen him that stress like you could feel physically see like his shoulders and his neck and everything clenching at the idea of just talking about this. Like there was that much of a, an emotional stress on him. And so we then talk about my case, what ended up happening there. We kind of break the ice. We kind of explained them that he's not crazy. And during the course of him recounting what had happened to him, you could literally see the stress starting to melt off of him. And by the end of the conversation he was like the same old guy that we talked to all that like relax and he was joking around and stuff and talking and you could see that release of the stress and the pent up emotions. Like we've had, we've had officers cry after talking to us. We've had others that just like thank us profusely for just providing subways where they can talk and not be judged and not be thought of as crazy. And then like I said, we've had the other end of the spectrum of people that are like, oh yeah, I'll talk about it all day long. And they have like really no stress. But it's. In all honesty, it's one of the best parts about doing this is those officers that are having that hard time helping them understand that they're not crazy and more importantly are not loath that there are people that are willing to listen to them, willing to go to back for them and willing to. We always joke around like as a police officer, what we're always willing to take a bullet for our partners or other officers. We're still willing to do it. It's just not a literal bullet now. Now it's more like an emotional stressful trauma bullet that we're willing to take for them and we'll take that story off of them, help them understand that they're not alone, and then in the process use those stories to help other officers come forward and get the same kind of cathartic release of getting these emotions out.

B

The one thing I wanted to point out for our listeners is like, now I've interviewed probably over a dozen police officers and something I've learned from you guys, and both of you know this already, is when you interview or talk to people on any crime, like not just UFO stories, but anything that your job takes you to. After several years of being a police officer, you're pretty quick to know who's making something up and who's truthful because it's just part of the job. And so when you're asking these guys about their experience, like, you can tell without a lie detector test that, okay, this is real. Like, you'd have to be such a good actor to make this up. It's, it's something that I wanted to point out to listeners because it's something you guys inherently know, like what's a fabrication and what's not true.

E

Mike, the one thing about that is, I'm glad you brought that up is officers. One of the things when we do an on stage presentation, what I talk about is what does it take to become a law enforcement officer? And I go through from the day that you pick that agency that you want to work for, the written test, all the way to when you get that set of keys as a solo officer in your patrol car, is over a year of just training. So you get a police officer out there and you get a 20 year retirement, you know, a 20 year career. Now, at least here in Arizona, it's 25 years before you can retire. And when you retire for the rest of your life, you have a pension. Okay? So one thing about law enforcement officers and first responders is I would hope that an officer would not come forward and come up with some really dumb, outlandish story that's fake just to get maybe their names out there, because the reason, because they have so much to lose. So if it's a citizen or somebody that comes up and like when we were MUFON investigators and somebody came up with a I saw a UFO and set something in. Yeah, we're skeptic. We're going to do our thorough investigation and we are going to see is it real, Is it not real? If we can, if we can figure out what it is. But we would just hope when it comes to law Enforcement officers, that they would not do that. They're not going to just come up with a story because they have so much to lose? So, yes. Did they really see something or like Dave said it, was it a misidentification? That's great. But that's one thing is, is that we don't. We always are checking to make sure because again, we're skeptical on this, but a lot of them is that we're going to take the story face value because these are cops and they have so much to lose. Why would they come forward with their story?

B

Have you ever had people, police officers, contact you and they tell you just an incredible story, but at the end they say, I just want to get this off my chest. I don't want you to ever repeat this. Have you ever heard, like, really? Well, this would be for the books, but you can't mention it because the person didn't want you to pass it along?

A

Absolutely. We. We actually have a story that is just absolutely unreal. It's so awesome. Like, not unbelievable, but just the stuff that was recovered, the stuff that they heard. But the problem is, is it's still an active cold case, so we can't talk about it. So we have things like that where it's like, there is still an acause it had to do with a homicide and it's still technically a cold case. So we, the officer just needed to come forward, be like, hey, I just need to get this off my chest. But you can't talk about this. And we're like, absolutely. And we have never once talked about that case and we never will because it's what we do. I mean, like I said, we'll take a bullet. We've had other cases that have just been like, completely like, wow, like you can't believe it. But then we do our diligence. Like, we like a great example is like, whenever we get videos or pictures and stuff like that, we're always checking for Those little catch 20 twos, those little things that we're looking for that might indicate that it's a hoax. Like you said, I spent four and a half years as a. How was I a sex crimes detective? I professionally getting lying to by people. You get the ability to pick up when people are telling the truth and when they're not telling the truth. And we do still use those techniques when we're talking with officers. The way Marianne said is we have yet to have an officer that. I've literally sat there and said, no, I think they're full of Garbage. The reality is they don't want to risk losing that pension or losing their credibility, which is what our entire career is based off of. Over telling a ghost story or UFO story or something like that. So we've had some pretty amazing stories and some that they've been told. We've been told. I can't let you repeat that. And we're like, fine. That's. That's completely fine because again, at the end of the day, we care about your health. We don't really care so much about the story as much as you getting a release. But we've had other officers come forward and give us these amazing stories and they're like, you can't use my name, you can't use my agency. I don't care. You use the story. So, like, we've got a great story from an agency in Central Arizona that whenever we talk about the story about a missing person in a car accident and all this stuff, we just leave the name of the officer out. We leave the name of the agency out. We just say that it's an agency in Central Arizona and then we go into the story. And the part that's almost good about that is it lends credence to the fact that they believe that it's true too. Because if they didn't believe it was true and they were just trying to get like our 15 minutes of fame, then they would want us to give their name because that's how they're going to get that 15 minutes of fame. So whenever you get that story from the person who looks at you and says, yeah, I. I don't want you to use my name, I don't want you to use my agency, I'm okay with you using the story because it's that hesitation that makes it. It's one of those things that you talked about, Mike, that we pick up on. You have that hesitation. Where does that hesitation come from? It doesn't come from being deceptive, it comes from being truthful. And the ramifications of being truthful when you say something like that. So I think we take those into account. Obviously we still do our due diligence because we don't want to talk about things if they're not true, we're still going to do our follow up and make sure that it's good. But I think that hesitation lends more credence to it being a legitimate story than anything else.

B

There's a question. I actually wasn't going to ask this question, but something you said made me think about it. So you've obviously heard about the missing scientists and the government personnel. A lot of them are in New Mexico. But I want to ask you, because you would know this. So Arizona is similar to New Mexico. How many people just kind of. And this doesn't have to be scientists, just regular civilians. How many cases would you get of people that just walk off into the desert and you just never hear from them again? They've disappeared. Is that a typical or not so typical or.

A

I couldn't give you an exact number, but it happens a lot more often than people think. Like we where we are in Phoenix, immediately east and to the north of us is this area called the Superstition Mountains, which are phenomenally named because there is all sorts of stories of stuff that happened out there. But pretty much every year there will be people that. And there's nothing like suspicious about it. They'll go off hiking. And there are so many little canyons and nooks and crannies and little places where people can get lost that there are whole units in the sheriff's department, both Pinella and Maricopa county, dedicated towards just search and rescue, trying to find people that go missing. There is. It happens a lot more often than I think people realize. And there could be no mystery behind it whatsoever. It could be an illness, it could be an accident when they're off hiking, because this is some pretty rugged terrain. There's a lot of animals that could cause you a lot of mountain lions, rattlesnakes, all sorts of different things, and just some of the fauna and flora. Like you've got campuses that can really mess you up if you fall trip and fall into them. There's a lot of the ravines, a lot of canyons that people can slip into and not get out of. So I think that there's a lot of that that has nothing to do with like any type of suspicious activity. But it's funny because we actually just did a speak stage presentation about two weeks ago here in Phoenix. And that was one of the questions was about the missing scientists. And what do we think about that? It was interesting because it led to a neat little discussion about when we were cases, like major cases, we have these things called murder boards, which is like a big board or a dryer east board or something like that. And you'll write the names of the different players involved or the different events and stuff like that. And then you'll connect them with lines and figure out how everybody in a major investigation is. Is connected. And in the center of that murder board is always that thing that we call the connective tissue. The thing, the one thing that links them all together. And when we were talking about these missing scientists, you have all of these things on the periphery that are link them. But there's not that one thing ironclad that people have been able to find that links them all together because there's different timelines, there's different time, how long it's been between cases. Some have been people that have committed suicide, some that have been people that have walked off into spirit, Some have been involved in car accidents. So there are certain things on the periphery that connect them. But until we find what that major thing, that major connective tissue in the center is, I don't think we're ever going to truly get real good answers about it.

B

Would you have like just a ballpark figure? Like let's say if you got a hundred cases of people that have wandered off into the desert. Of those hundred, let's say how many were do they. Where they actually find a body where the person is deceased and how many are just. They're vanished like they're never found again?

A

I, I couldn't really give you a ballpark figure, but I'll tell you this much. Ever predator, pretty much every year they find bodies. They find decomposed bodies that have been out there for more than just like a couple months. Like there will be people that will disappear and then they'll end up doing DNA, DNA testing on a skeleton that will be found five years later and they'll find out that it's the. The person. It's unfortunate because it is. People kind of forget that it's wild terrain out here. It's. There are areas in Arizona where there may have never been a human has ever set foot before. I know that sounds crazy coming from like a big city area like you're up by Toronto and stuff like that. There's people everywhere. Out here in Arizona there are wide open areas where you can end up and there will be another person come through there for months.

B

Well, there's. This is a question I'm really interested in asking you guys. Do you ever get policemen or police officers who actually have like either radar confirmation, body cam footage or dash cam footage or dispatch recordings that have to do with UFOs or paranormal investigations?

E

Well, actually we have two cases. One case is with a cell phone that this officer was smart enough to get out of this patrol car and use a cell phone to take a photo. And we also have one body cam, one of the things is that we don't have a lot of body cam just for the reason. A lot, lot of the cases that we are getting are from officers that were say 10, 15 years ago or even longer that say, wow, I didn't know that there was someone I could share my story with. They hear about uappd, they get with us and they say, oh wow, I wish I had somebody 10 years ago that I could share the story with. I've kept it inside all these years and didn't know where to go. And a lot of these stories, not too many people had body cams, not too many agencies. Well, nobody had them back there back then. But even now today, a lot of the smaller agencies do not have body cams. So you hope that, you know, like the one guy I'm going to tell you the story about is that they were smart enough to grab their cell phone and tell the story. I'm going to tell the one story and then Dave gets to tell the other story. The one story I'm going to tell you is about the one with a body cam and it was a scream on a body camp. Again, this story happened on an Indian reservation and it was approximately about five, six years ago. Officers were responding to a house on the Indian reservation for a welfare check. 911 call came in to the dispatch and nothing was said. It was just an open line. So two officers would dispatch to this house. They got to the house, they started knocking on the door. No answer. They went around the house and they kept knocking on every door, every window. Hello?

C

Hello?

E

Or is anyone in there? You're not in any trouble. We just want to make sure everything is okay. And they did that for, oh, I don't know, maybe five, ten minutes. Well, they got together and they said, well, I don't know, I'm not sure if anybody's here or not. He said, okay, let's make one more round of going around knocking on the doors and the windows. If we don't hear anything, we'll clear the call. So the one officer goes around and on the front side of the house they knock on a window and all of a sudden there's a knock back from inside the house. And the officer, it startled the officer a little bit and he goes, hey, if you're in here, just yell that you're okay. Just tell us everything is fine and we'll get out of here. That's all you need to do. Nothing happened. So that officer walks back to the back of the house where the, the other officer his partner is stationed, and they're starting to talk about this. What's going on. All of a sudden, on their body jam, you hear a woman, a woman scream. And it's on the body cam. And what's interesting is the partner who is standing there. And of course, the body cam's facing him. The look on his face is like, what was that? I mean, it was a surprise look like, oh, well, they get on radio and they says, okay, you know, we're hearing something inside. We're going to make entry. They get on the radio, tell their dispatch, as they're going over to that back door, they hear another scream. Well, now they're going to make entry. So on a body cam, you watch the officers go to the door, take the door in, they announce themselves, and then they go and do a search of the house. Each officer, one takes one side of the house, one takes the other, and then they crisscross and do a search again where that other officer just searched, just to do a thorough, good search. And there was nobody, absolutely nobody in the house. Sergeant's called, he gets there, and the sergeant asked the officer, what did you find? And he goes, well, nothing. So the sergeant got a little upset, like, why'd you kick in the door if you didn't find anything? You know? But he. So the officer played the screams that they heard prior to entry to the sergeant. So the sergeant shows, okay, you guys stay out here. Watch the corners of the house. The sergeant and two other officers go in, do another feral search. Even in this area, for some reason, there are trap doors in the floor of these homes. I don't know if it's for drugs or what, but a lot of these homes had, like, trap doors. So they checked that. They checked everything, completely nothing in the house. So everybody leaves except for that officer, the initial officer. And he was waiting for the A company to come over and board up the front door, which they kicked in. And then they were going to leave the note for the homeowner because the homeowner, of course, wasn't there. Well, just as the builders were finishing up putting the wood on where the door would be, here comes the homeowner. Okay, so the homeowner gets out. The officer tells her exactly what happened, why they kicked the door in, why they did a search. And the homeowner did not get mad. She goes, well, finally somebody else is hearing these screams. And it kind of surprised the officer. Why do you say that? The homeowner proceeded to tell him that she had a roommate that was basically Being harassed by spirits. Now, she was kind of physically being harassed mentally and sexually being harassed. File. Well, that roommate couldn't handle it anymore, and she just moved out. She left. So the homeowner, even though she's still there, she's hearing these screams. She's hearing these things inside the house. And of course, nobody else, nobody would believe her. And here is the officer hearing these screams. So as the homeowner goes through the house and is looking at everything, she notices that this table that she had as basically an altar, she had a lot of religious figurines that were on this table. And they were kind of helping her, you know, ward away these spirits. They were, they were being her protectors. Well, when she looked at this table, she noticed all the figurines were on the ground on basically face dead. They have been knocked over because of the search and the kicking of the door and everything. Well, that homeowner went from being a very nice person to a very irate screaming at the officer, get out. Get out. Why did you do this? You're going to. You're going to be. You're going to be cursed by these demons because you knocked over the altar. And while she's doing that, she's basically putting all of these religious figurines upright again and just started yelling and screaming at the officer and telling her, get out, get out, get out. So needless to say, he got out and he left the sea. But we do. He gave us that body cam of those two screens coming from inside the house. And I'm going to have Dave tell that other story about how we got pictures from a cell phone.

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Before I go into the story, one of the things that you also got to remember about body cams is I know a lot of people watch TV and they see like TV shows like the rookie and all these shows about body cam and stuff like that. You got to understand that body cam, while it is always running, it is not always recording. The officer has to consciously turn it on to make sure that it records. So in a lot of these situations, you have a situation where officers may experience something and just either not think to turn it on because it's so unbelievable, or might even go the route of I don't want to get this on body cam because I don't want to be the guy who has a ghost on body cam or a guy who has bing front body cam because of the ramifications. But in these rare moments that we have things like this where the officer gave us this. This scream that you heard Clear as day, twice on the body cam. In this other incident, we had an officer who was just south of Phoenix. South. There's a mountain south of Phoenix called South Mountain, which is ironically named as it's south. So he is south of South Mountain in this very open, unincorporated area, driving around, just patrolling dirt roads, some of that. And he looks up in the sky and he sees these four lights that are bopping around, not connected, like, four individual lights flying around. And he's looking at him, and he's got a pretty decent history of, like, aircraft knowledge, excessive knowledge of aircraft. He's like, it wasn't helicopters. It's not airplanes. It's not drones. He's like, I don't know what they were, but they were flying around and they were bopping around, like, bouncing around. So he decided to try and get a better look. So he ends up going down, like, these dirt roads kind of back in the direction that he sees these. These lights flying around. And as he starts to get to an area where it kind of dead ends, and he's like, oh, this is the closest I'm going to get. He's probably like 300, 400 yards away from the thing. And he sees one of the lights all of a sudden starts bouncing or shuddering, and he's like.

B

He.

A

I remember he said, like, he thought it was, like, damaged or something, like somehow it wasn't working right. And it ends up descending towards the ground. Now, it's still a good distance away from him, but he sees it descend toward the ground. And as it descends towards the ground, it changes color from white to, like, a green, like a bluish green color. So he stops the patrol car. He gets out of the patrol car, and this thing is now down, like, almost on the ground, but it's still hundreds of yards away from him, so he can't really see what it is, other than this big light that's. That's floating there. He said the other three lights almost took up, like, a position over it. Like they were kind of watching over it while it was doing whatever it was doing. So he gets out of the patrol car, and he looks at it, and he's like, this is weird. So he pulls out his cell phone, he takes a couple of pictures. He takes one from the driver, like, just stepping out of the driver's side door and taking the picture across the hood of his car out towards where the item. This object was. And then he moves around the car and takes another picture, and he's like, it was probably only down for about 15, 20 seconds. And then all of a sudden it started to rise back up. It changed back to like the white color. And then all four lights shot off north past the mountain. As they shoot off gas, the mountain, he gets a radio call from an officer that is north of the mountain who says, hey, did you just see four lights come flying out of your district? And he's like, yeah. And that was basically where the extent of it was with the conversation because they didn't want to talk about it anymore over the radio. But he ended up giving us these photographs. And the part that's interesting is like, like we were talking about before how we kind of try to verify everything. I love these. Using this story as an example during our stage presentations because we throw up both of the picture. Two of the pictures that he gave us, the first one from when he just sets out of the car. And the reason for that is everybody looks at the, the light glowing. It looks like a greenish blue, like out in the distance. As investigators, we look for those other things. And the one thing that we noticed that a lot of people didn't talk about is you can see a reflection of that object in the dust covered hood of the car. Which is something that if somebody is making a hoax, they're not going to think to put a reflection in the hood of the car. And so I point that out to people when we show that picture is that they're all looking at the big light. And I say, I'm looking at this right here. And then everybody gives the oh, oh, oh. And we had to talk about that for a little bit about how this is a way that we can verify that there was definitely something there. Because who's going to think of putting reflections in their hoaxed photo? We had a lot of hoaxes with Muon. Nobody puts that type of thought on it. But then the other thing that's interesting is the other picture that he walk around the patrol heron took. When you zoom into that picture, you can see the green light reflecting off from a telephone pole that's out there and a little shack that's right next to where it came down. Like a real small, I don't know, it looks like almost like a utility shack but, but it's way in the distance. And if you don't zoom into that picture, you won't see it because it's like the light is too bright. If you're hoaxing something like that, you're not going to think of, oh, I'm going to put two eye items that you're not even going to really see in the picture. Unless you zoom all the way in. Then you're going to see that these items are lit up because of the object. Nobody is putting that kind of thought into a hoax. And so it's a great story in that respect because a no idea what it is. We have a second officer that's north of the mountain that confirmed that these items were there. And then we got two amazing pictures that are filled with things that you're going to look at and go, I think this is legit.

B

Have you had any officers more recently, like not 20 years ago, but more recently than that have talked about encounters with lights or UFOs where it has an effect on their patrol car, like the motor dies or the lights go out. Have you had any calls like that?

A

Not, not that I know of. We've had some on our clothes, like this one that I just told you about was only in 2023. His vehicle didn't have. He was far enough away that I don't think it would have any effect on it. Not that I know of that we have any that the vehicle actually had, but none of them were that close.

E

I don't think I would say just the historical cases that we have from Bloomerton and Bell Johnson, but I don't. We haven't that I remember having anything like that. We would love to hear from officers that have had that kind of situation, but we don't have anything in our records right now.

B

So Marianne, you have a case that happened in the Forest Lake area. Can you tell us about that?

E

Sure. We had an officer, he was a deputy that contacted us that back in 2019 he was stationed out of Flagstaff, Arizona. However, the resident deputy of the Forest Lakes area was not on duty that day. So this officer, we're going to call him Daniel, please allow us to use his first name. Daniel gets a call and has to respond to Forest Lakes on an alarm call from his district, which is Flagstaff. So you're looking at a good two hour drive from where he is to where this burglary alarm is going off at. And he is going at a good rate to get there to see is it really a burglary that's occurring or is it just the alarm? Now what's interesting in this area, there has been a lot of false alarms in the Forest Lakes area. So he's like, well whether or not it's false alarm, you treat it as a real burglary in progress. So it was the fall of 2019. He gets the call, he gets the four swanks. He checks out the, he checks out the house. Nothing going on. House is secure. It was a false alarm. Now this happened about two or three o' clock in the morning is when it occurred. And as he is now leaving the house, the community enforced lakes to head back to, to Flagstaff. He notices that he looks off to his right and he sees this big bright light that is hovering just above the tree line. Now he wasn't sure what this is. It was very bright. He described it as about a small suv. And what was what he noticed underneath was about six to nine spotlights that were coming from underneath his craft. Well, the officer, he decided, or Daniel decided, you know what, I'm going to go ahead, pull off, I'm going to stop and I'm going to see if there's any noise. So he shuts off his patrol vehicle and he actually rolls down the window and he is listening and there's no sound. There is absolutely nothing coming from the, this hovering craft. Looking this object. Now the, it was just, he called it, and it was interesting is that it was just above the tree line and these trees maybe were maybe 15, 20ft tall or so. And this thing was just above the tree line and he, and it wasn't that far away from him. And he's watching this. Well, he decided even though he was scared, he had the bright idea to get out of his patrol car. And he flashed his, his flashlight, his mag light, which is very bright at this object. And as she was flashing his flashlight at this object, it actually shot straight up into the sky area and again just hovered there for, for a short time and it was just floating. And he again, he looked up and he went, yeah, I don't think so. He got really scared. He started up his patrol vehicle and he took off and he never looked back. So one of the things was real interesting when I was asking him, okay, tell me, I'm familiar with forest lakes. So I says kind of tell me where about you were when you saw this object floating in the area. And he goes, well, I was only a couple of miles from 300 road. And I'm like, okay, so it was basically the 260 and just a couple miles from the 300 road. Well, one of the things that happened off the 300 road kind of in that general area was in Travis Walton abduction that happened back in 1975. So I thought that was real interesting that this, this, this object was seen only a few miles from kind of where Travis Walton was Abducted back almost what, about 50 years ago. So I thought that was a really neat story.

B

In this area, Forest Lake, even today, would you say that at night it's pretty dark, there's not a lot of light pollution or.

E

Oh, 100%. There are basically. I don't even think there's lights on the highway, the Highway 260 through the town. I don't even believe there's any lights even on the highway. It's, it's total darkness.

B

Interesting. I, that's, that's why I could never be a cop. Because especially in Arizona, because I can't imagine being on one of these two lane, lonely, dark roads in the middle of nowhere, near knowing what I know about UFOs and just seeing all these stars. That would do me in right there.

E

Oh, wait, did him. I don't think he even says he's staying in Flagstaff. I don't think he's ever gonna hit Forest Lakes again. That was, that was his one and only. That really scared him.

B

So if a police officer or a first responder is listening to this show right now and has experienced something unexplained but is afraid to come forward, what would you guys say to them?

E

Well, I would definitely tell them to contact us. Our website, Let me give you that first. Our website is uap-pd.com. we also have a Facebook page of UAPD. But I would like everyone to understand that we keep talking about law enforcement officers, first responders. Well, law enforcement officers, of course, cops. Well, when we're talking about a first responder, we're talking about firefighters, paramedics, EMTs, nurses, anybody that is on that front line that is a first responder. And we know that again, they're seeing things. They're not talking because of the statements, the ridicule, threat to the career, like what happened to Dave. And if they're keeping it inside and building up that stress, that's something they do not want. Dave went through it. We know how bad it is. Or I should say he does. I've seen it through him. Nobody needs to go through that. Our careers is hard enough dealing with bad guys, dealing with people, life threatening situations. We don't need to have the stress of seeing something you can't explain. So if there are people out there and they have a story they have never shared before and are scared to share it, please understand, we are cops. There is nothing to, you know, worry about talking to us, please, we want you to share. And again, you could either remain anonymous or identify yourself. It's up to you. What do you feel comfortable? And again, please contact us at uap-pd.com or our Facebook at UAP PD. Also, what I like to tell folks is that if you feel more comfortable sharing your story in person, I have no problem being retired, traveling to wherever I need to go to meet with these folks and get their story. If they don't want to do it over the phone or zoom or anything, I'd be more than happy to head out there and meet with them.

B

Before we wrap this up, I just want to mention that I'm going to put a link to UAP PD in the show notes and I just want to thank Marianne and Dave for being on this episode. It has been. It's blown my mind. Plus I'm not going to listen to this in the dark even though I did the show myself. So thank you guys for being on the show today. It was outstanding.

A

Well, thank you for having us.

E

Thank you.

D

Here are the Canadian civil aviation anomalies for the week of May 18th to May 22nd, 2026. On May 19th near Medicine Hat, Alberta, during the daytime flight CWA 922 reported an object that was up to 11000ft above ground level and approximately 2 nautical miles from final Runway 21. No avoidance maneuvers required. Other circuit traffic advised without further reports or comments. Police advised. At 23:41 Zulu time, flight Information Centre was asked if any authorized drones were operating, but none was were reported. On May 21 during the daytime at 21:30 Zulu time, a Gulfstream aircraft flying from Shannon International Airport, Ireland to Westchester County Airport, New York reported flashing tail lights at a high altitude. The lights were moving from left to right going northbound. On May 22nd during the daytime at 16:49 Zulu time, the ICAO GANDER controller advised of an unidentified target. It was visible in the ICAO gander airspace for 21 minutes heading northeast at FL236, New York was contacted and had no record. Target disappeared from the ICAO gander screen. Later, at roughly 180 nautical miles east of St. John's Newfoundland, there was no impact on operations and all flights proceeded to their destinations without further incident. See you in September.

B

Well, that's our podcast for this week. Please share, subscribe and do all those great things to help spread the word about UFO Talker and until next time, this is Michael Ryan. Keep watching the skies.

D

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A

30. That's a wrap.