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Andrew

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Marques Brownlee

At the beginning of the year, I bought a set of three juggling balls.

Adam Molina

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Ellis Rovich

How has none of us known this?

David

How did I know about this?

Andrew

I've talked about juggling at work before.

Marques Brownlee

Is that what's every day? For the past six months, I've been juggling at the end of every day. And what I can report now is that I've gotten pretty good at juggling three. These exact three items.

Andrew

Okay.

Marques Brownlee

Or items that are the same size and shape. So like three small oranges. I can juggle them.

Ellis Rovich

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Marques Brownlee

I will demo it for you.

Andrew

I would like to see. What is up.

Marques Brownlee

People of the Internet, welcome back to another episode of the Waveform podcast.

Ellis Rovich

We're your hosts.

Marques Brownlee

I'm Marques.

Andrew

I'm Andrew.

David

I'm David.

Marques Brownlee

Big week. It is the middle of July and sometimes we get random big weeks in the middle of July. I think this will be a banger. It might be kind of a long episode, but that's okay. Cause we. There's a lot to talk about. I think we can all agree probably the obvious biggest story of the week, which is the new emoji are coming back.

David

New emoji. They're beautiful. There's a pickle, right?

Marques Brownlee

I guess we don't all agree on the biggest story, so we'll get to all that stuff. If you slow it down and listen to all those things, you probably you're in for a good one. And at the end, we have a recommendation game because that's also one of the things that we plan on doing this week before we knew it would be banger. But first, did they even test this?

Andrew

Does anyone have one? Because I have the most niche one possible.

David

People always like thought I had one today, but I don't ones at me and they're always bad.

Andrew

Okay, well, stop tweeting at David is what he's saying.

David

Stop talking to me.

Andrew

I don't want to talk to you.

David

I'm kidding.

Andrew

Okay. My issue is with keep tweeting at me. G board, if you're nice. The keyboard and it's very specific to where a lot of times when I'm typing and I try and go comma space, I accidentally hit emoji button, sticker button. And then when I go and type again, what I'm expecting there's a bunch of sloth emojis or like sloth stickers. Sorry.

David

Yeah.

Andrew

And for some reason I find once a day as I'm typing really fast without paying attention, I'm opening up and just posting a sloth sticker in my messages as God intended. Yeah, normally I notice it. One time I was emailing our HR person and said just were like yeah, that sounds great. And then send a sticker of a sloth saying FML above it.

Ellis Rovich

So.

Marques Brownlee

Huh.

Andrew

I just want to know, does anyone else accidentally send a bunch of sloth stickers in when they're using gboard accidentally?

Ellis Rovich

No, I intentionally use them all the time.

Andrew

Oh really?

Ellis Rovich

Sloth stickers are awesome.

Andrew

Maybe I need to just bring them into my. Yeah, it's this. It's just a sloth with a rained on cloud saying FML on it.

David

They have the blobs as stickers too. I would use those. Yeah, the blobs.

Andrew

I'm not a fan of the sloth ones. Sorry. Yeah, but apparently I use them all the time.

Ellis Rovich

I will say there was like a. This is slightly off tangent, but there was a slack thread that I was going through from like a while back, like years ago, just cleaning out different old messages. And someone had used the blob and I was like, damn, that blob was a good.

David

The blobs are amazing.

Ellis Rovich

Blobs are sick.

David

The blobs are fantastic. Yeah, well.

Marques Brownlee

Yeah, well, they're all sloths.

Andrew

All the sloths. You've never seen the sloths before?

Marques Brownlee

Yeah, never seen those before.

Andrew

I guess I just typed too fast and I don't know, inaccurately.

David

That's crazy. Well, these aren't quite sloths and they're not quite stickers. But I knew that we would talk about my story first. Just saying there are new emoji coming. Everybody, everybody clap.

Marques Brownlee

It's happening. So what are these new emojis? All right, for our audio listeners, you're gonna have to explain all of them.

David

Yeah. Okay. So Jennifer Daniel, who is the chair of the Emoji subcommittee of the Unicode Consortium.

Marques Brownlee

Holy crap.

Andrew

Sickest job title ever.

David

I interviewed her for my Sparkle emoji documentary and she's awesome. She has a substack where she sometimes posts like early looks at emoji that they're working on, which is cool. And she just yesterday posted a new article about the nine new emoji that are coming shortly.

Marques Brownlee

Nine.

David

So we're getting Monarch butterfly Classic. There is currently a butterfly, but it's just like a blue butterfly. Monarchs are probably more, you know, common and popular in media. So I think that makes sense. We're getting a bug catching net.

Marques Brownlee

Future Classic.

Andrew

Why does it have to be bug catching?

David

I mean, it doesn't have to.

Andrew

It's just next to the butterfly. So it feels bug catching. But like Pokemon catching net.

David

I'm just Pokemon pilled. Is that what they call it? A bug catching net in Pokemon?

Adam Molina

So that's a bug catching net. What are you gonna catch in that net? Like a jellyfish? Come on.

David

What about a big fish? Like a large fish?

Andrew

I mean, it would. You'd be swooping under. This one is. I think the reason it feels bug catching is because it's coming from up to down.

David

Yeah. However, these are just Google's interpretations. Like Apple.

Andrew

I know. I'm using that for like Katya.

David

Yeah. There's a meteor.

Marques Brownlee

Nice.

David

I think that was pretty important.

Andrew

That's what this room is going to feel like soon.

David

Yeah. There's the thumbs that basically imply. Get a load of this guy.

Andrew

The. It's like who's got two thumbs and is on a podcast?

David

And they're like pointed inwards or outwards.

Marques Brownlee

One's the left thumb and one is the right thumb.

David

Yeah, yeah.

Marques Brownlee

So there's two.

David

There's a face that is cracking quite a bit already.

Ellis Rovich

My top 10 most used emojis of all time.

David

I very much like this one because I've used the melting face a lot. And then last year, they introduced the. The bug eye emoji as well. So they're doing a lot of, like, funny face emojis, which are cool. There's a lighthouse, which is dope. I was just in Maine. Wait, what? Why?

Marques Brownlee

No, keep going, keep going.

David

Okay, there's pickle, which is good because they did have cucumber, which was being, like, diced, but now it's legit pickle, which I think is important.

Marques Brownlee

No way that gets misused.

David

There's a bar of.

Andrew

Wait, hold on. What is this?

David

A pickle?

Andrew

No, the next one.

David

Oh, a bar of soap.

Marques Brownlee

That's clearly not a bar.

Andrew

That's an eraser.

Marques Brownlee

That's an eraser.

David

Really?

Andrew

That's very clearly. Oh, it's only.

David

Okay, it's only clearly an eraser because there's bits of eraser.

Andrew

It's only clearly an eraser because of the part of it that makes it an eraser.

Marques Brownlee

It's pink, dude.

Andrew

It would be bubbly if it was soap. And there already is a silk one, isn't there?

David

My soap on my. At home and in my shower is

Marques Brownlee

not always bubbly, but that's what all the.

Andrew

If there's a bubble emoji.

Marques Brownlee

If.

David

Why don't you.

Marques Brownlee

Sorry, have we lost everyone under 30?

Adam Molina

Why?

Marques Brownlee

I don't think anyone uses emojis.

David

You are insane.

Andrew

What are you talking about?

Marques Brownlee

Am I wrong about that?

David

You're wrong about that.

Marques Brownlee

Everyone. What do they use Genmoji in the comments below? I just want you to comment how old you are, and if you regularly use emojis in your conversation, they're all gonna use. I've. I have a clue that it might be not happening for younger people.

David

Why wouldn't they use emoji?

Marques Brownlee

I don't know.

Adam Molina

It's cringey and old voice notes and Snapchat.

Marques Brownlee

It's funny because just lowercase text, man, they just use.

David

They're just on FaceTime all the time.

Andrew

I feel like we have a. My proof against you on this is we have a running joke in the office where whenever something gets posted that we don't like, one time someone put the skull in crossbones instead of just the skull, and then somebody got really mad at it, saying, like, boomer, that's not the right one. So now we just skull and crossbones. For everything.

David

Miles, who's like 20 years old, called me Unk for using skull and crossbones instead of just the skull.

Andrew

So now we use skull and crossbones all the time. But the fact that we're getting schooled on what is the proper emo. Yeah, Emoji.

David

Emoji, sure, sure.

Marques Brownlee

But I think an even younger generation, maybe like, Gen Alpha.

Andrew

Yeah, I'll ask Lane when I get home.

Adam Molina

Miles found out yesterday that I was 29. And he was so shocked. He was like, wait, so you're like, actually unk. I was just. I was just kidding this whole time. But, like, you're actually old, brother.

Andrew

We're like, we're in our 30s over here.

David

Okay, bro?

Marques Brownlee

They say if your age starts with a. If you're the year you were born, starts with a one.

David

A one.

Marques Brownlee

You're on.

Andrew

It's funny because, sure, for a while we had the, like. Oh, when were you born? 2000 end. And. Yeah, 2000 end.

David

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Someone. Someone DM'd me on Instagram the other day because I had posted a camera thing and they're like, wow, it's so crazy because I got into photography because of a photo you posted.

Marques Brownlee

And.

David

And now. And I was born in 2008. And I was like, what? Wait, are you legally allowed to talk

Andrew

to me if you were born in 2008?

Marques Brownlee

Loki. One of the things that happens that makes me feel the oldest is someone will come up to me and be like, I've been watching your videos since I was like 8 years old. And they're a full grown adult. I'm like, wait a second, hold on, I'm doing the math. This is crazy.

David

You have been making videos more than half of your life.

Marques Brownlee

It's true.

David

And if you. If you're like your conscious life, you know, your sentient life. Yeah, it's like three quarters of it

Marques Brownlee

pretty much the whole time I've been awake.

Ellis Rovich

Yeah,

David

I wake up, I make videos, I sleep. Yeah, okay.

Marques Brownlee

It's true.

David

Anyway, very excited about these emojis. Speaking of Google, because Jennifer Daniel does work at Google. Google is going to begin carrying third party app stores next week, which is a pretty good deal. Next Wednesday, you might remember. This is the trial that keeps on giving. There was the Google versus Epic trial, which we tried to cover pretty broadly last year, or I guess it was two years ago now, because the Epic. It happened in October of 2024. Google was ordered to carry other app stores inside of the Google Play store for several years. And also all these other App stores would need to have everything available in Google Play available in them as well. So this was like their way of settling this monopoly case. Now what was weird about this is after the trial happens and after the verdict comes down, they have to basically decide amongst themselves what the remedies for these things are. During this remedy period, the judge found out that Epic and Google had tried to secretly work things out amongst themselves for settlement. And Epic had agreed to buy $800 million of Google services in exchange for Epic helping promote Android. Google using Unreal Engine more deeply and each company coordinating on product development, quote, unquote. The judge was a little bit worried about this, specifically worried that it was a quid pro quo and that Epic would still push for changes that would help other developers. And they were a little bit worried that this would not help the antitrust case and that it seemed like a package deal. The problem with this is that Tim Sweeney, kind of the entire reason that he brought this case in the first place is that his take was that Google was taking special deals from people and they were being unfair to developers. And Tim Sweeney said they would never take a special deal from gatekeepers such as Google based on principle, unless. Unless it's $800 million. So yeah, well, I mean, Epic is the one paying Google $800 million, apparently, which is also weird. But apparently Google is just going to be promoting their stuff. The judge felt uneasy, but ultimately let it go through.

Marques Brownlee

That's great.

Ellis Rovich

Same.

David

We love it very. Either way, it's going to be really interesting to see what this ends up looking like in practice because it should be launching on the 22nd, which is next Wednesday. We're going to see other app stores inside of the Google Play Store, which is weird. So we'll probably see the Epic store in there. We might see Microsoft will launch, you know, their own Microsoft Store inside of the Play Store. But it is interesting that they have to offer everything that the Google Play Store offers. I think that's pretty, pretty weird.

Ellis Rovich

Is F Droid not currently on the Play Store?

David

You have to side load it.

Ellis Rovich

Oh, interesting. So that should be there next week.

David

There's that. There's the guys that make Alt Store, which I think. I'm not sure if that's only on the iPhone or not, but Riley Stout and, and co, I think will probably be launching some sort of alternative app store on the Google Play Store. So yeah, I don't know. I mean if this, you know, if these other app stores take less than 30% of a cut, that would theoretically incentivize Google to lower their cut. At the same time, you have to download these other app stores through the Google Play Store, which is a little roundabout.

Marques Brownlee

Yeah.

Andrew

Placer is going to be like Internet Explorer, still super popular because it's the default. But if anything else is good enough now, it will just be the thing that you download other browsers from.

David

That's true.

Andrew

I think it'll be fine.

Adam Molina

I thought you can't even get Internet Explorer. I thought it was Edge.

Andrew

It's Edge now. It's still Internet Explorer.

David

Welcome to Edge. We're so excited to have you.

Andrew

Chrome.

David

Give me Chrome.

Marques Brownlee

Wait, but download. You know. You know what you're here for. Give me Chrome.

David

Yeah.

Ellis Rovich

All right.

Marques Brownlee

Well, speaking of things that don't exist anymore in some regions. Yeah, in some regions. Let's get to some heavier news, which is that OnePlus officially. Nice.

Ellis Rovich

I don't know why.

Andrew

I actually was expecting a harmonica in Ellis's mouth. I mean, audio listeners.

David

Why not?

Andrew

He has a harmonica right now.

David

Right.

Marques Brownlee

Officially, the news is OnePlus is shutting down operations in the US, North America and Europe. We saw the writing on the wall. They kind of started slowing down. A bunch of future devices were discontinued. We thought we might get a new foldable. Cancelled. We thought we might get a new flagship cancelled. And now there will be no more new OnePlus phones for us. They will continue in Asia and India. They're actually pretty popular there still.

David

Normal devices especially.

Marques Brownlee

But I've been a OnePlus user for a long time here and I will no longer be able to daily slash buy the devices here, which is very sad.

Andrew

Yeah.

David

One other thing is that they are going to be merging people over to Color os.

Marques Brownlee

This is fascinating.

David

This is very funny, because they had already done this. People got mad and then they just changed the name back to Oxygen. But it was basically still ColorOS.

Marques Brownlee

It changed. It was. OxygenOS was its own thing for such a long time for OnePlus phones. And I loved Oxygen OS. And then they did this hard pivot into ColorOS and also great OS too. It's fine. It's totally fine. It's just very different. And when people love Oxygen os, that's very jarring to them. And so they just named it Oxygen OS again. But it's essentially color thing. Oppo being the parent company to OnePlus. So now it will officially update state and just become shamelessly color OS again. Yeah. There's a long history with OnePlus, especially on this channel, on the MKBHD channel. I've talked about them since the OnePlus One. They've had so many interesting phones and twists and turns in their history. They felt like the enthusiast brand that showed up and was really disruptive for quite a while before they became the enemy that you either live long enough to see yourself come or die. And so, yeah, they did. Now die.

David

Yeah. If you want to learn more about OnePlus history, I recommend that you go watch our Cyanogen mod episode because we have a ton of OnePlus history in there.

Marques Brownlee

And then go watch the downfall of OnePlus will be studied video.

Andrew

I think you even had another few videos like this. You have another OnePlus video.

Marques Brownlee

I've done various history of OnePlus videos in the past, but that's the latest one where I did get some comments saying, wow, this is way too early. They're not going away. But now that video has aged.

Andrew

What happened to OnePlus five years ago?

Marques Brownlee

Yeah, five years ago. What happened to OnePlus?

David

They really went through a lot of twists and turns. Like they would. They would just be bad all of a sudden and their phones would not be good value. And then people get mad and eventually they'd come back and make a banger and then they'd be bad again. And yeah, eventually they just. I think Oppo Group just got tired of having to deal with those. That fan base.

Marques Brownlee

I would like to Give my top three OnePlus phones of all time. All right, do it in no particular order then.

David

It's no particular order.

Marques Brownlee

All right, fine. I'll do it in order. Fine, fine. I will do it in order. Fine.

Adam Molina

Stay out of business, Marques.

Marques Brownlee

Top three best OnePlus phones of all time. Number three, the OnePlus 15. The OnePlus 15, which I'm still using, still dailying with its unbelievable battery, incredible performance, total lack of bloat, very average cameras, and just the complete OnePlus experience right here. This is the epitome of modern OnePlus. Still pushing the boundaries and not too overpriced. Top three, OnePlus 15. Okay. Number two, the OnePlus one, the sandstone.

David

Sandstone.

Marques Brownlee

The hype factor, the price per dollar

Ellis Rovich

ratio, you could just say sandstone.

Marques Brownlee

Three times sandstone was pretty fire. But I actually think I dailied the white one because the sandstone kind of aged in this weird way. It was cool at first and then it was a little weird when it aged. But that had a whole lore with it from, like how difficult it was to get the invite system, all the things that were happening with OnePlus at the time. But the OnePlus one I'm putting at number two.

David

Can I guess your number one? Is it the 7T?

Marques Brownlee

It's the 7 Pro 7T Pro. There's a whole cluster of them in there. But I would put like, yeah, the 7T Pro McLaren Edition is the best of these. But right around that year where the 7 Pro and then the 7T and 7T Pro came out, these phones, I think I could still use that phone today. Obviously the camera is gonna be much worse. But like those, the software experience was damn near perfect. It was early to high refresh rate displays. So they were some of the only 90Hz I believe displays out there. Super, super smooth. The batteries lasted a long time. They also did this thing where they were approaching like 100% screen to body ratio on the front and that was like a hype number people talked about at the time. So they threw the selfie camera in, a little pop up camera.

David

That's fun.

Marques Brownlee

And that was kind of fun. And it didn't seem to break very easily.

Andrew

So I like that one of ours got waterlogged because we tried opening it underwater.

Marques Brownlee

Oh, ok. The one I was using, I never did that underwater and it didn't have any issues. The battery lasted a long time. Charged super fast. All of the best parts of OnePlus, which is what had me recommending OnePlus phones to people, were in the phones of that exact era. And yeah, I feel like that might be the phone. If you look back at the last 10 to 15 years, I'm pretty sure the number one brand of smartphone that I've dailied myself, LG would be OnePlus.

David

Yeah, the, the 7 Pro series, you have bigger hands than me. But for me it was a little too big and it had a lot of ghost touching issues because the screen to body ratio was so high.

Marques Brownlee

It did waterfall it a little bit

David

and it wrapped around the side and there were so many times I'd just be holding the phone and it would just be doing things on its own because it thought I was touching the side.

Andrew

That was a fun time of we have to do screen to body ratio because it's a number and a marketing photo we can put up and look cool. We don't care how bad it screws up.

Adam Molina

Usability.

Andrew

Yeah, send it.

David

I like the 7T. So because it was like all the best things about the 7 Pro but it was cheaper. It was like 499 had a flat screen. It was better in certain little ways. Yeah. I was obsessed with that one, I recommended it to everybody. I bought my dad one. That was a terrible mistake because after a long period of time when the OS started randomly changing and it randomly changed to color os, my dad just had a meltdown.

Marques Brownlee

Yeah, it was always an enthusiast phone. And it was funny cause people in real life would ask me like, what phone is that? And I'd say, oh, it's a OnePlus 7. And they go, what? Who makes it? What are you talking about? I'd say, oh, sorry, the company name is OnePlus. And then it's the 7. So it's the OnePlus 7. And they'd be like, okay, so the 8, I guess. Yeah, sure, whatever. Fine. So it was always a bit of an enthusiast phone. It was always a slightly, if you know, you know, brand. But yeah, man, people. I had friends that got these that were also in the know. So this is a good time.

David

I have a take that I want to mention about this that I'm also writing an article about where I don't think that OnePlus and US carriers were ever going to work.

Marques Brownlee

They never got along. They never. Maybe there was a brief. Wasn't there like a OnePlus 12 or something?

David

The 6T. Sorry, no. Yeah, the 6T was the first phone on T Mobile.

Andrew

Okay.

David

And they made a big deal about it and they launched on T Mobile and it was a whole thing. And then that lasted a few years. Verizon had OnePlus phones for the OnePlus 8 and the OnePlus 9. The most annoying thing about the OnePlus 8 was that if you bought it at T Mobile, it was like one price. But if you bought it at Verizon, you had to buy it with the millimeter wave bands and it added $100, which made it like not really a good value anymore. Anyway, my sort of like theory about US carriers and OnePlus is that like US carriers, because of the way they want to do the subsidies for you, where they slowly have you pay off the phone with your monthly bill, but then they sort of lock you into that 24 to 36 month pay period, they actually want you to buy more expensive phones. Because then if you leave the plan and if you go to another option, you still have to pay off the rest of the phone. So if you're paying $4 to T Mobile every month for a 1400 dollars iPhone, and as long as you're on that plan for 24 to 36 months, it's like, oh yeah, it's four bucks for a 1400 dollars iPhone. That's amazing. But as soon as you want to leave to, like, Visible or Verizon or something like, oh, you owe us $1,000 now.

Marques Brownlee

Yeah.

David

And it's sort of this chain. And so, like, carriers actually want you to buy more expensive phones because it keeps you on the plan longer. Whereas a $501 phone, if you like, eventually they're like, hey, you owe us 400 bucks now. You're like, okay, I guess. Yeah.

Marques Brownlee

Less incentive.

David

It's way less incentive.

Marques Brownlee

Yeah. This is one of those things that I think we talk about once in a while in videos, and maybe people who aren't from the US get kind of annoyed with it, but it's still true that here in the US Carriers still basically run, like, what phones people buy and what phones sell the most. So people go to their carrier to buy a new phone? Most of the time, yeah. So whatever. Phones get pushed by carriers get sold the most. So whichever ones have the best deals, who buddy up with those carriers will do the best. And so that's why you see that the big companies in the US Continue to do well because they have their deals with Verizon, AT&T, et cetera. And OnePlus was never one of those companies, at least here, so they never really got a ton of. They were probably like a fraction of a percent of market share here.

David

I saw some crazy statistic yesterday. There was a statistic that came out recently that three out of every four phones sold at US carriers were iPhones, 75%.

Andrew

Sheesh.

David

And there was a statistic from 2020, which was two years after the OnePlus launched in T mobile stores, that the, like, 92% of all phones sold at carriers were either Apple phones or Samsung phones. So OnePlus was fighting for that 8%

Marques Brownlee

for the last 8% against Motorola, like Google, Pixel, and all these other. Yeah.

David

Is not. Not good for them. So you can see why they pulled out.

Adam Molina

This whole thing makes our previous time talking about this really, really funny because there was that really weird article like, yeah, like, OnePlus is going out of business. And then the OnePlus of India was like, we're not going anywhere.

Andrew

We said that. Like, I went back and looked at our. Thing is that was like the. The AI written article. Yeah, that was. Everyone agreed that, like, it made sense, but it just said exclusive. And it was a complete opinion piece.

David

Yeah.

Andrew

Written by, helped by AI so no one took it seriously. But yes. But then.

Adam Molina

Yeah. What's funny is OnePlus of India was like, we're not going anywhere because they're not.

Andrew

Plus was like, we specifically said that. We were like, yeah, this is OnePlus India saying they're not going anywhere. But, like, the big thing, the general gist of this article is like, Oppo is winding down some things in different regions. Regions because there's too much going on in the Oppo parent company. Which makes sense. Like, why not take away the regions you're selling the worst in and just make better Oppo phones? Especially with the prices of everything now. Less SKUs is better for you.

David

Value for money is still the most important thing in India and in the US we just don't care because of these carrier plans. Yeah.

Marques Brownlee

We don't have nearly as much hardware competition, which is a real bummer.

David

Yeah.

Andrew

Oh, yeah.

David

Very bummer.

Marques Brownlee

But yeah.

David

Yeah.

Marques Brownlee

One plus.

David

No more here, no more rip.

Marques Brownlee

Wow.

Andrew

Do you think we'll get oppo in

David

the U.S. no, absolutely not.

Marques Brownlee

I don't think so. And I find X9 Ultra is like, one of the best phones in the world. And I would probably be using that phone if I could use it in

David

the U.S. especially the way the U.S. government feels about Chinese right now. Like, DJI just got banned. Honestly, OnePlus was sort of their Trojan horse into the U.S. in general, basically. You know, and it just never.

Marques Brownlee

They never did the things they had to do to make it work.

David

Yeah. I mean, it's just not compatible with their brand ethos. Yeah. But there is a company that is in the United States that is launching

Andrew

a phone in a month that also has really small market share.

David

That also has really small market share. I know we get all excited all the time when the Pixel gains market share. There was like one quarter where they were 7% of sales. And we're like, it's going, it's going. And I looked at a chart yesterday. Almost every quarter, they have 3 to 2, 2 to 3% of sales. There was one quarter where they randomly got seven, and it was the. The month the new Pixel came out.

Andrew

Yep.

David

So they're still not doing great. That's Google, baby. That's Google.

Marques Brownlee

But maybe this one will change it.

David

You know why it'll change it? Because the new colors are fire.

Andrew

Yeah, let's.

Marques Brownlee

Well, we'll talk about it all. Okay. Pixel 11. We actually just complimented Pixel 11 on not leaking as much as we thought it would like a week or two ago. And then, like, mere days after we'd said that basically everything's leaked. So. Okay. Yeah. Now the Pixel 11, we kind of Already know everything from the new colors to the design to the lack of a glow bar.

David

You don't have the camera features though there's that. True.

Marques Brownlee

We'll get some AI stuff. Because software can't leak. Well, it can. It doesn't as much from these companies, but from what we see, the design looks essentially the same as we've seen for the past couple years, but a new color, a set of colors which seems nice. And then we get the spec sheets and the prices. So we'll get to that in a second. But what are the new colors, David? Because you're pumped about these.

David

Okay, well, the. So Andrew, you wrote this down?

Andrew

Yeah, I wrote.

David

When you say there are like two colors for each color, what is that? Okay, what's the deal? You tell me.

Andrew

This is the most confusing set of rumors and leaks I've ever read in my entire life. And writing out just the colors of this probably took me over an hour. Because the reason we have these leaks is an accidental Amazon listing. And the reason we kind of need to take that with a grain of salt is because even though it said it was from the Google Play store on Amazon, with Amazon third party sellers, like sometimes you can get something shipped by a third party that still will say like the company name behind it. So like something can be shipped by third party, like a Canon camera, but still might say Canon under Amazon. So we don't know exactly what this is, but the way things were listed is there was the original rumors of colors that we had names. There was then the listed ones in the title of all of these Amazon listings associated with their code names which seemed to all match up and then in the list sometimes had different color names. So I'm going to tell you the colors with one or two potential names they might each have.

David

It's also possible that they give the distributors different names than the actual colors. They don't link.

Andrew

They might have literally found who accidentally did this if that's the case. But so for the Pixel 11, we have obsidian or Midnight Haze, which is like a black. We have Frost or light Sterling, which is like a whitish light. Bluey tinty. Yeah. We have Hibiscus or Fuchsia, which is like a sick pink.

Marques Brownlee

I mean, fuchsia, right?

Andrew

Yeah, hot, but dark pink. Yeah, I would say.

David

But isn't hot pink dark?

Andrew

I don't know. I would generally do it lighter than. This is a. This is a hot pink saturation slider. Yeah, 100% for sure. And then export it and 100% again. Yeah, and Then green, which is either going to be called pistachio or moss.

David

I think it's just. I hope it's pistachio. I like pistachios.

Andrew

I'm going to go towards moss, but it'll probably. Or actually I don't know. Because then the green for the pros are also either a forest object or a food, which is the same as pistachio or moss. And then for the 11 Pro, we have another black, either midnight haze or obsidian. We have a light fog or sterling. So it's not the same, but very similar as the whitish bluish color before. Yeah, dune. Dune. Dune is fire dune or canyon, which is like this is now a light pink, almost orange. Copper colors are so good. They are really good. And then we have pine or olive as the green, which is a light. Oh, good. I don't even know how to.

Ellis Rovich

I hate all of them.

Andrew

These two are very similar.

Ellis Rovich

The greenish one black and that's it.

David

You're insane.

Marques Brownlee

I hate all.

David

You're insane.

Adam Molina

The pros. The pro colors are fine.

David

The pros are better for.

Adam Molina

No, the non pros are dookie.

Marques Brownlee

Okay, this is what I. This is my actual thoughts ranking. They all these camera. All these companies do this thing where they have like bright, fun, interesting colors for the non pros and then they have all these muted colors for the pros.

David

Not true.

Marques Brownlee

And then Apple kind of broke out of that with this orange pro iPhone, which is crazy. And we're like, oh, maybe this is finally going to be the year of interesting pro colors. But they're doing it again here. Google has this bright pink on the non pro. They have a green, a light purple, and a city in that's not really black. And then the pros are like a muted version of all of them. Yeah, yeah. But give us like a bold pro or give us a black and they don't do either.

David

Well, it's almost black.

Marques Brownlee

That's why it's not black.

Andrew

It's a rat sight.

Ellis Rovich

It's the purple regular 11 and only because it looks like Ellis's old mini.

David

I mean, it does. Yeah. That's basically the same color as the 12 mini. I really like the pro colors. I think the green is very like Pacific Northwesty sort of adventure color.

Marques Brownlee

I will unfortunately never use a green green phone.

David

What about the Dune?

Andrew

No, I like that color. The green's funny because you're right. The pros are the muted versions of the normal ones. Except the green on the normal 11 is already like a muted green. So this is like how do we mute this more? Oh, let's mute the. I like the logo.

David

It feels like a forest color. Yeah, it's interesting. They have no sort of pearlescent option this year. They've always gone, like, the white like one. The fog could be the light fog.

Andrew

I think that might wind up being a little pearlier than this.

Marques Brownlee

Oh, I have another. I have another pet peeve. I have more beef. The non pro phones, they always do the matte aluminum rails, and then the pro phones, they do the shiny, like, fingerprinty rails because it's pro and it's supposed to feel more framed. That last year, though, maybe, but it looks like they're not. They're gonna do that again. This time, the pros have the shiny rails and the non pros have matte rails, and that is a bummer.

David

That is a bummer.

Ellis Rovich

I'm glad they're doing colors, but maybe it's just a me thing, but I'm not a fan of any of these colors.

Andrew

Adam, hold up your phone. He's on an iPhone now. We can't trust him. He's a shill.

David

Silver iPhone.

Andrew

Also, real quick, the 11 Pro colors are obsidian, midnight, haze, or green. Yeah, I like the rails on this screen better. Is that the same? Maybe? It is the same. You just see more of it because of the camera bump and the corners.

David

Last year, they did blue. Right. For the color one, I don't. I'm pretty sure they did. Yeah. For the color names, I'm pretty sure they're probably gonna go with obsidian frost. These are names that they've used in the past. So I imagine that they will just stick with those names Fog and they. Especially when the colors match the other accessories that they have, like the pixel band accessories and stuff. Like the greenish one is called fog. You know, I think that they just try to stick with that across the line. So I don't think they're gonna be changing the name significantly. Yeah.

Marques Brownlee

But now here's the slightly worse news.

David

Way worse news.

Marques Brownlee

All the specs and prices have also leaked from this. So if we are to believe these specs and prices, then what's happening is the base Pixel 11 will start now at double 256 gigs, but it also now starts at $900.

David

Oh, my God.

Marques Brownlee

And goes up from there. So Pixel 11 Pro will start at 256 with 12 gigs of RAM. It will be 1100 DOL. I mean, they all have to get RAM. It's 12 gigs of RAM. It's not nothing but 1200 or 1100 for Pixel 11 Pro and 1300 for the 11 Pro XL.

David

Wow.

Marques Brownlee

$1,300 for Pixel.

Adam Molina

I thought Google just got $800 million from Epic Games.

Andrew

Why are they charging this much?

Marques Brownlee

The rest of the specs do appear to be pretty much in line with last year. Batteries get a tiny bit of a bump. Like 13 megapixel front camera is the same.

Andrew

No, it's not. It was a full. The Pro had a 42 megapixel front facing camera.

Marques Brownlee

Oh really? Okay.

Andrew

Pixel 10 Pro, it was higher resolution, had a nice front facing camera and now.

David

Yeah, and they made a big deal

Andrew

about it and now they made it worse.

David

Now these are 42 megapixel specs. We're not totally sure. Correct.

Marques Brownlee

But 120Hz OLEDs across the board, similar sizes. And then the Pro phone will start at nineteen hundred dollars.

Andrew

Profold.

Marques Brownlee

Profold.

Ellis Rovich

Sorry.

Marques Brownlee

We'll start at dollar and one thousand nine hundred dollars.

Ellis Rovich

Yeah, that's Gonn steel next to the Apple fold.

David

That's true. That's going to be 24.99.

Andrew

Plus a couple funny things. The Pixel 11 has a better battery than the Pixel 11 Pro.

David

Yeah.

Andrew

Yeah. The selfie cameras are worse. The. And yeah, these, these prices are. You know, last year they had the chance to make things right and this year obviously there are RAM things, but I'm not going to let them use that as an excuse because $900 for a 256 base is wild. It's dumb. Yeah, off full. But the iPhone at least last year got to be like we cared about you guys for a little bit. Pixel just spit in your face on

David

the 11 Pro vs 11. It's $200 more. Are you just getting the tele lens and that's it.

Marques Brownlee

You're. That's typically the only difference. Yeah, which is why I keep saying like it's hard to sell people on that and I'm. It's the same size something else too often it's like a brighter display and like a couple other smaller HDR related things that are like small tweaks for the Pro. But yeah, it's a slightly smaller battery because you have slightly more camera. So.

David

This leak though says that the 11 Pro is lighter than the 11, which is very weird.

Marques Brownlee

Less battery.

Andrew

Could be the materials.

David

Materials.

Andrew

Oh yeah. Less battery.

David

Less battery. Yeah, but not by a lot. How much does 100 milliamp hours weigh?

Andrew

I mean, if we're talking about inside of a phone, it's probably one of the more dense things.

David

That's Just, they're just electrons. They can't weigh that much.

Marques Brownlee

The things we don't know about the Pixel are how good is the new Tensor chip and what sort of new features will that unlock?

David

Right.

Marques Brownlee

That is kind of the only way that I think that they can sell me on these phones being like substantially new in any way.

Andrew

I don't have the leak and I can tell you that already not much better and something that will be available on all the other Pixels three months after.

Marques Brownlee

Yeah. I have had this optimism before for Pixels and it has not worked out for me.

David

Yeah.

Marques Brownlee

So I am. I am not going to cross my fingers or hold my breath, but that is the thing that we don't know yet is what are they going to show on stage? Oh, Tensor has well and more tpu, more AI features, more stuff that you can't do on the previous phones until six months later. We'll see. But that's what we don't know.

David

I did see a report that the new Gemma model is being optimized for Tensor on the Pixel 10 and above. So it's possible they have more GPU accelerators, stuff like that. But as far as what actual features this makes better, whether or not it's Google Photos features or whatever, and then it'll probably. Yeah. Just all go to the cloud and everyone will have it in three months.

Andrew

Well, this feels like if you upgrade From a Pixel 10 Pro to a Pixel 11 Pro, you get a worse phone.

Marques Brownlee

Pixel 10 Pro to 11 is a selfie camera phone, but who's upgrading from

Ellis Rovich

a 10 Pro to an 11 Pro?

Andrew

Possibly. But then why wouldn't you upgrade From a Pixel 9 Pro to a Pixel 10 Pro that's you like cheaper and on sale.

Ellis Rovich

That's probably the better move.

Andrew

Yeah, this is. I mean, maybe there's some other stuff we don't know, but usually the stuff we don't know is software features that go to another phone later anyways.

David

Yeah, very curious. Well, there's a new Samsung Flex Titanium display technology that is apparently allegedly going to be used in the Fold 8 and the Fold 8 Ultra. In previous Samsung Galaxy Folds, they have used a plastic backing material against the oled and they have reportedly developed a new Flex Titanium which swaps the plastic support stack that used to be under the OLED panel with a new titanium alloy film, which Samsung is claiming has about 20 times the mechanical stiffness of the old polymer. Great.

Ellis Rovich

What does this do?

David

So there's a couple things that does.

Marques Brownlee

I guess I'm assuming this is basically ideally going to Bring the hinge creaselessness of whatever new fold comes out up to the level of what we just saw with. I want to get the name right. The oppo find N6. Is that what it's called?

David

The fold? I don't know.

Marques Brownlee

The best foldable, peak foldable find N6, which we've seen that one. It's like a super impressive lack of a hinge crease when you're actually using it. So it's beautiful. And Samsung's. Now we look at it side by side and we're like, oh, Samsung actually does kind of still have a crease. So they have essentially directly responded to it by also doing the same thing. Putting metal right behind that little crease and flattening it out. Yeah. Hopefully it works.

David

It's supposed to make it a lot stronger, too. I will say almost everyone I know who has a flip, after about a year to a year and a half, the crease in the center cracks. So apparently this should not crack, theoretically, hopefully on God. For real this time. And yeah, it's supposed to be a lot more flat and stable right now. When the. When you unfold it, there's like a little dip in the center. And that's just because the plastic support cannot actually. Like, it's not stiff enough enough to keep it flat. This is supposed to be much more stiff. Also, because they are using this material now, they don't have to put reinforcement layers on the display, which means that there are less layers between the OLED and your eyes. So they say that they don't have to put as much power in order to achieve the same brightness because there is less diffusion happening on top of the oled.

Marques Brownlee

Great.

David

How much power that actually saves. I'm not totally sure. This could just be their marketing spin, but any little.

Marques Brownlee

It's like an electric car. Like, any little efficiency improvement will take it because these phones don't have the biggest batteries.

David

For sure.

Andrew

Yeah, for sure.

David

So we should be seeing that. Yeah. Next time, the next podcast, we'll be talking exactly about these things. We'll know everything about them. So.

Marques Brownlee

Everything.

David

Everything.

Marques Brownlee

Everything.

David

Yes.

Adam Molina

No.

David

Yes.

Adam Molina

The next podcast will be doing a game show.

David

Oh. Oh, yeah, yeah.

Andrew

Where we talk about everything from Samsung. Right.

David

A day early.

Ellis Rovich

Yeah.

Adam Molina

The next podcast is Trivia Extravaganza.

David

That's right, baby.

Marques Brownlee

Finally.

David

Finally.

Adam Molina

Finally.

David

Finally.

Marques Brownlee

And then the next next podcast.

Andrew

Yeah.

Adam Molina

Then we'll be.

Andrew

Everything is Trivia extravaganza, too.

Adam Molina

Yeah.

David

Electric Boogaloo.

Ellis Rovich

The Trivening.

David

The Triveting. Yeah. So. Well, the next real regular not real. The next regular scheduled show you'll be

Ellis Rovich

hearing, wow, tell us how you really feel.

David

Okay. It's only minus five points if I win. Okay.

Andrew

I think what he's trying to say is everyone should hit the subscribe button to know when both of those podcasts are out. That's true.

David

You want to know. You just want to click. Yeah. So that should be interesting and exciting. We are going to learn more about that next week.

Marques Brownlee

Speaking of learning more about things, you know that always happens when we do trivia.

David

See what I did there?

Andrew

I was gonna say I try and forget all the ones I get wrong because they just make me mad instead.

David

True. It's a lot you learn temporarily.

Adam Molina

Pete lau, who founded OnePlus, right.

Ellis Rovich

Okay.

Adam Molina

I wasn't sure if he was the OG guy or if he came on later, but anyway, Pete Lau, when describing his aspirations for OnePlus all the way back in 201412 years ago, said that he wanted OnePlus to be which Japanese minimalist home goods brand but for the tech industry.

Marques Brownlee

I feel like I learned. I read this recently. What did he say he wanted OnePlus to be?

Adam Molina

He said he wanted it to be the blank of the tech industry. Fujifilm and it's a Japanese minimalist homegoods store known for not putting their logo on any of their products.

David

World Market

Adam Molina

Trader Joe's well, like we

Marques Brownlee

said, we will either get the answers right or we will learn something new. Answers will be at the end like usual.

David

We'll be right back.

Marques Brownlee

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David

Allegedly.

Andrew

Allegedly, allegedly, allegedly, allegedly. But the alleged stories are very funny, so we're going to tell you some of them. We just posted a skit to the main channel called Apple's Winning the AI Race. And at the end, we kind of posed this question of what do you think is more likely? Do you think Apple will create good enough AI to make people stick with the iPhone if people are looking for AIs? Or do you think someone like an AI company will make a good enough piece of hardware like a phone to make people switch off of iPhones? And first one. Yeah, I agree. But apparently OpenAI didn't and their best thought was, well, let's just steal the iPhone. That's. In a suit filed last week, the iPhone maker alleges that OpenAI asked former Apple employees, even potential recruits, to bring information about unreleased products. They also are claiming that OpenAI instructed hires on how to evade security procedures. I'll get to that in a second.

Marques Brownlee

That's a really funny image though, of someone being like, hey, your interview with OpenAI is tomorrow. Oh, what do they tell you?

David

Bring.

Marques Brownlee

Bring my resume. Bring trade secrets from Apple.

Ellis Rovich

Are you cover letter.

Andrew

Did you read the rest of what I wrote? Because you're. It's worse somehow.

Marques Brownlee

Somehow worse. Okay.

Andrew

Everything I'm going to do here is basically allegedly just. Well, yes, allegedly, but things I pulled from. There's a Bloomberg article, there's an Ars Technica article. Everyone covered this. I'm just going to tell you some of the things that OpenAI is allegedly doing because some of them are wild. So. So one of the crazier things I read is that Tang Yutan, a formal Apple VP of the iPhone and Apple Watch product design.

David

He was over 29 years, by the way.

Andrew

Yep. He is now the chief hardware officer at OpenAI. He, I mean like first of all, you can swap tech swaps jobs all the time. We're all used to that. But in the suit, it's alleging that

Ellis Rovich

is it a three piece suit or

Adam Molina

this man became the chief hardware officer at a company that makes no hardware.

Andrew

Well, they're working on. Yeah, Apple's alleged, alleging that he took information about Apple's suppliers to him with OpenAI and encourages interviewees at OpenAI to divulge confidential company information. He has, quote, directed job candidates still working for Apple to bring in actual parts from Apple to their interviews for show and tell sessions.

Ellis Rovich

Okay, that's unrelated to the show and tell session we'll be doing later in this episode.

Andrew

Yes. Yeah, true. And then yeah, I'm bringing in trade secrets. No, not. I'm bringing in the physical products. He's relied on his insider knowledge, like knowing project secret code names to have Apple employees in their interviews discuss unreleased products. He also has used internal allegedly used internal Apple documents to create a checklist to help departing Apple employees circumvent security measures while bringing those trade secrets

Marques Brownlee

messy.

Andrew

Some of that is. The show and tell thing is hilarious.

Marques Brownlee

That show and tell thing is like a par. It almost reads like an Onion article.

Andrew

Yes.

Marques Brownlee

Yeah, it is. I'm sure that there are like very specific things that Apple Makes you sign to work there and then like, once you leave, like, you're not allowed to disclose a bunch of that stuff. But there also is probably a gray area that OpenAI is clearly going past. But there's probably a gray area of like, well, the reason why OpenAI wants to hire you is because of your expertise in the places you work. That's how hiring works. But then they're just kind of being way more over the line about it where they're like, yeah, bring all the, bring the folders from your desk at Apple when you come to work here. Like, stuff like that.

David

Open has also hired over 400 people from Apple and they have gutted so many teams at Apple that they have had to completely rehire for different organizations. Organizations. Because so many people left to OpenAI.

Marques Brownlee

Yeah. Here's a little inside. Baseball is like the number one most common pitch I see in my inbox for companies that think that they're about to get a bunch of investment is we have a bunch of people that came from Apple.

David

Yeah.

Marques Brownlee

That is like the. That's the golden words that you need to be able to say.

David

Yeah.

Marques Brownlee

To get people to be interested in your startup. Humane. Like, it's not new. This is not a new strategy.

David

Right.

Marques Brownlee

So, yes, inevitably you're going to get a lot of people who are like, poached from Apple to go to this new place because they are promised a way bigger role and the ability to shape some crazy new thing and you're taking a risk. But, yeah, that is clearly over the.

David

It's tricky because during the Biden administration, they put forward a bunch of legislation that made it so they could not stop. They could not make you sign agreements that say, I cannot work at these tech companies.

Andrew

Non competes.

David

Two years. Yeah, non competes, basically. And they made it so they can't do that because then you're basically trapped at a corporation and then you can't have a job for two years, which is insane. But on the other side of that coin, it's like, even if you don't explicitly bring trade secrets, it's not like they can take the information out of your brain. You know what I mean? And it's very, very, very difficult to not use that similar information or similar knowledge.

Marques Brownlee

It's part of who you are. It's like, okay.

David

I mean, it depends, though.

Andrew

There's a difference between.

Marques Brownlee

Yeah, yeah, I want to use the sports analogy for. Because it's helped me sympathize. Not sympathize, but understand when you are a unrestricted free Agent from a. Is this basketball game any sport, any team sport? There are players that play for some teams who've played against other teams and one team will win the championship and then the next year they're a free agent, they just won the championship. And a competing team might go, we would like to make a trade to get that guy because he's a good, because he's a good basketball player, but also because we know we're going to have to beat that team again next year. And he knows all their plays, he knows the way they run and the way they're coached and all these secrets that they have. And I'm not going to ask him outright to be like, hey, we want to trade for you. Like, are you going to give us the playbook from your team? But it kind of just comes with the package. Like, that's part of who you are as a basketball player.

David

He also wants to win.

Marques Brownlee

Yeah, it's competitive.

Adam Molina

You brought in the actual thing.

David

That's not what we're talking about.

Marques Brownlee

You know what I'm saying? That's not what we're talking is over the line. But in any, in any other, like, hiring situation, that, that's, that's like part of the story of, like, who you're hiring.

Andrew

I think the better analogy here is like Formula One and being like, oh, Lewis Hamilton or Adrian Newey is up and we're going to sign him at Aston Martin. He brings in a wealth of knowledge of developing the car. That's something they can expect. This would be like Adrian Newey showing up with the blueprint, the front wing and being like in his interview, like, this is what's helping us.

Adam Molina

It's like him driving to work on his first day in the old.

David

Yeah. Apple is also alleging that Lou left Apple on January 22, 2026, never returned at least one company laptop. And he texted a formal colleague still at Apple writing, lol, I found out I can access the network storage. So funny. Her reply was I'm ready.

Andrew

And then she left Apple and went to open AI after.

David

So. Wow, they do have some. They got some dirt. I'm going to say.

Marques Brownlee

Yeah, the text trailer.

Andrew

Yeah, he like used some bug through it and can still access. Could still access the network storage while he was already working at open it. It's.

David

It's crazy.

Andrew

Some of this stuff is like a whole nother level of yeah. Of not just like, oh, I have a bunch of experience from Apple to just like, I have the Apple thing.

David

I would like to remind everybody that currently on the iPhone. There is an open AI ask chat GPT integration.

Marques Brownlee

They were supposed to be friends.

Andrew

Yeah, buddy.

Marques Brownlee

Buddy.

David

Really awkward.

Ellis Rovich

Yeah.

Andrew

Oh, but then this morning. Don't worry everyone. We have a resolution to this already. Yes. Hold on. Where did I post this? OpenAI says it has seen no evidence supporting Apple's trade secret theft claims. Oh, they've. They investigated themselves. I find themselves totally innocent.

Marques Brownlee

An investigation and found nothing wrong.

David

Oh, that's crazy. Okay, well this is ridiculous. I guess they can just. They can just.

Adam Molina

This is a company that stole everything.

Andrew

Because we didn't take that though.

David

Yeah, we literally told. Took everything.

Andrew

But guys, we already built so many things on the things we stole. Do you think we could just use it anyway?

Adam Molina

You remember that episode of Futurama where Bender walks around singing that song goes. I love stealing. I love taking this. Exactly.

David

Yeah. Out in the open. Out in the open, baby. It's kind of like Suno little. Little tangent but there was a report this morning Suno got hacked and all the source code got leaked and alt source code is like like YouTube tags

Marques Brownlee

and yeah, it's just.

David

And genius lyrics which are also copyrighted. This is all cop. This is all stolen. Yeah, there's a lot going on there. This is going to be a really fun lawsuit to watch play out.

Andrew

It's going to be. The more discovery there is, the more fun we are all going to have.

David

Can't wait for.

Andrew

Ultimately what's probably going to happen is it's going to take forever. Open AI is probably going to have to like pause what they're doing hardware wise and try and. And redo things as much as they can without looking like they're taking anything from Apple or else Apple's going to.

Marques Brownlee

But that's the other thing is they kind of still do want to look like they're taking things from Apple.

Andrew

It took Johnny I've.

David

From Apple.

Marques Brownlee

Yeah. And Ferrari took Johnny I've and was proud of that. This is the guy who did the Apple stuff. Now he's with us. That makes it good, right?

David

Like that's it's so.

Marques Brownlee

And yeah, it didn't work.

Andrew

Notice how he's still the former Apple guy, not the luche creator.

David

Yeah, yeah.

Ellis Rovich

Okay, question. If you're hiring someone like you're open AI and you're hiring someone for their knowledge of like a certain part of the market and their relationships and like oh I know these factories, blah blah blah blah. And then you hire them away from someone like Apple. How does that person then not just go back and use Those same factories. Like there's only so many factories you can use to build.

David

I don't think China cares.

Andrew

No, but I mean, saying to use the factories like the per.

Ellis Rovich

To Marques's point, it's this guy's knowledge of these factories. Like, oh, I know this one factory builds this thing. He has that knowledge no matter what, whether or not he's bringing in old iPhone parts or whatever. Or new iPhone parts.

Andrew

Yeah, that's gonna be.

David

This is what I'm saying. You can't restrict knowledge. And this is the whole reason why these non competes existed in the first place. But by non competes existing, you're also basically locking people into a company.

Ellis Rovich

So it's even two years later, I'm still going to know that company exists for sure.

Andrew

Knowing the factory doesn't mean you're going to know how they're building everything in it. I mean, you could use it again, but then it would be the factory breaking trade secrets that they probably have some sort of contract in and how things are built and whatnot. Plus, chances are if you're going to the factory, Apple's using. Apple's probably using them at a pretty high capacity already.

David

Yeah, I mean, I remember getting a tour of the Pegatron factory.

Marques Brownlee

Hilarious name.

David

And they were building the iPhone X there while I was there. And that's how that stuff gets leaked. It's like very, very simple.

Adam Molina

There's, there is difference between just like knowledge and like trade secrets though. Like you can.

Marques Brownlee

Yes, but that's the gray area.

Andrew

They, it sounds. If all these alleged things happened, we passed the gray area.

Marques Brownlee

Yeah, no, yeah, those things are past the gray area. But I think there is a gray area in knowledge that you had to do your job and trade secrets. And I'm sure Apple probably explicitly defines some things as secret and cannot be traded, but the things that aren't explicitly defined are just kind of like, oh, proprietary.

Andrew

Well, you can be, you can have a. Not have a non. Sorry, there's too many non. Yeah, too many abbreviations here. You can have a contract that doesn't involve a non disclosure, but you could still probably have NDA things that you learned at the company that, that if it were to be those things came out, you'd be breaking that contract. No.

David

Yeah, just never open your mouth.

Marques Brownlee

Here's another thing that happens a lot in my inbox is I'll get an email from someone who was working at one smartphone company or one car company or whatever, and they go, hey, it's my last day at the job. Just wanted to say it was great working with you. Here's me passing you off to your new contact here and then five minutes later I'll get an email from the same person. Hey.

Adam Molina

Hey.

Marques Brownlee

I'm now working at this company. Good to be in touch. Here's some stuff to just get our relationship started. So they are taking their contacts from one relationship that they had at one company to another one. Is that trade secrets? No. Is that part of the knowledge you have on the job? Kind of, yeah.

Andrew

That's just how business works.

Marques Brownlee

That's why you got hired. Literally a person who has those contacts.

Adam Molina

Yeah.

Marques Brownlee

So, yeah, it goes with you.

David

It goes with you. Well, funny enough, open eyes.

Andrew

This is legal information or legal.

David

Legal advice.

Andrew

Yes.

David

Legal advice or financial advice? Funny. Related to this. Related to this. OpenAI. Big, big report out of Bloomberg this week. OpenAI's first hardware device is reportedly a movable screenless speaker built as an AI companion.

Ellis Rovich

I thought it was an iPhone.

David

That's not their first one. It will be their second, probably. This is actually really interesting. They're actually allowed to.

Andrew

Why are we calling a movable. It's a Bluetooth speaker.

David

It's a Bluetooth speaker, but it's not Bluetooth. It's not Bluetooth. It's probably WI fi they have. It has. Anyway, I'll go through.

Andrew

Who cares?

David

So it's going to be a smart speaker that lives in your home and it will exist as a sort of companion that you'll be able to talk to casually control other smart home devices, play media, respond to messages, and tap into the full range of capabilities offered by ChatGPT. It kind of sounds like the Sonos Roam speaker. They're a little portable speaker that you move around the house that both has WI fi and Bluetooth. Um, they German says that it will become a. It will become more personalized and proactive as it grows to understand its owner over time. And it will use a more advanced version of the Chat GPT Live feature they just announced last week to communicate with users. It can listen and talk at the same time, adapt naturally to conversations, and quickly process information. It's designed to stay in your home, but it will be extremely easy to move around different rooms. So if you, like, take it to the washing machine room or something. If you live in a house and you're rich, unlike me, it's said to have. I don't have a laundry room, bro. The device is said to have mechanical elements that can move on their own to give the users a sense that the device is actually responding and is a bit more anthropomorphized. Don't love that.

Adam Molina

You mean like that Apple research paper

Andrew

they put out a few years ago?

David

Yes, just like that. Confidential trade secret paper. It will include a camera and other sensors to better understand its surroundings and context. Don't love that part. And reportedly OpenAI is working on five different hardware devices, including the phone. But it plans to announce this one this year and probably Release it in 27. Though because of this lawsuit, it's very possible this gets pushed by like a year.

Andrew

This might stay in. Who knows does this. I don't want a speaker that gets more proactive. That might be the worst feature I could think of on a. A thing that's constantly listening and looking at me all the time. I don't want it to.

Adam Molina

Yeah, no, you're right.

Andrew

That's crazy.

Adam Molina

Right?

Marques Brownlee

It's crazy that it would like get more adapted to you as a more.

Andrew

They're using the word proactive, which makes

Marques Brownlee

me think it will start prompting you because it knows it will stop prompting

Andrew

me instead of me prompting it. Yeah, like, I don't want to walk

David

by to be like, no, we've lost.

Adam Molina

Yo, what's up?

Andrew

Weather's pretty nice and I'm going to pick up the movable speaker and move it as far into the woods as possible with a baseball throw.

David

Andrew, design a web app that does this.

Andrew

I'm going to just toss it out the window. That sounds.

Ellis Rovich

Make no mistakes.

Andrew

Make no mistake.

Adam Molina

These tech, bro. Like, there's so much discussion in the tech space right now about taste and everyone, everyone thinks doing things with taste means doing things with like an Apple hardware finish.

Ellis Rovich

You know what I mean?

David

No.

Adam Molina

Taste means not making a wife a robot waifu in any capacity. I don't care if it's a dude. I don't care if it's a beautif brushed aluminum speaker. Don't do it.

David

But you know, Sam Almonds. Sam Almonds is trying to figure out as many ways as possible to get people to buy a chat GPT subscription for life. Like, that's what he wants. He wants you to become attached to things. He wants you to just never want to unsubscribe to JBT because you're basically killing your friend if you do this. That's what he wants you to do.

Marques Brownlee

I'll tell you.

Ellis Rovich

I'll tell you why.

Marques Brownlee

I think this is really interesting. And this is. This is kind of what came from that video that I just made, which was. Do you think that Apple with the iPhone will make an AI good enough to keep you on the iPhone? Or do you think an AI company will come along and make hardware good enough to take you off of the iPhone? Every company is looking for what the next big thing is all the time. The iPhone has been the big thing for a long time, which has everybody on edge looking for the next big thing. And it seems like AI is going to be related to this next big thing in some way. And so if you're a company that's either new or very heavily invested in AI, and you. You think that there's a possibility that you can get someone to the next big thing that is not the iPhone, how do you make that? What is that thing? Those are all unanswered questions. This is going to be one of the first big company attempts at the next big thing. And what they will absolutely not have is a way to connect it to the iPhone. And so they'll have to do everything on this device, anticipating that it never connects to an iPhone. It'll have to connect to the Internet on its own. It will have to listen to the user and move and connect to the ChatGPT service on its own. And if you want to have it, do all the things that you were talking about that it's supposed to do, which is like, play media, respond to messages, and do all this other stuff. How does it do that without talking to your iPhone? That's really tricky. But the second that you make it connect to the iPhone, you are dependent on the iPhone, and it is therefore not the next big big thing after the iPhone. And that's the challenge that they're all after. We saw this fail many times. Think of the humane pin. Okay, we want to build the next big thing. What if it's a pin that sits on your chest and it has this little AI in it, and you can talk to it and it listens to you, whatever. We all know that was a dumb idea, and it was way too early, and it was a bad product. But one of the things that it absolutely could not do was connect to the iPhone to get messages, to do any of the things we wanted it to do, because the smartphone's so good. So the challenge that seems impossible, that is up against all these big companies and ChatGPT or OpenAI is gonna try, is to make something that you are willing to use that never connects to your phone. And it's a really hard challenge, and it's probably gonna be a dumb, bad product, and we're way too early still. But that's the challenge ahead of them.

Ellis Rovich

That is exactly why specifically the line respond to messages perked my ears up.

David

Yeah, same.

Ellis Rovich

Because how are you gonna do that? Does that mean that they're gonna launch their own messaging service? Is that included in chat?

Andrew

You do we get an exact issue. Humane has something.

Ellis Rovich

Because if you're going to respond to imessages then you need to plug into the iPhone, which Apple will never let you do even if you did hire Johnny. I've.

David

This is the main thing for me. Like OpenAI has been trying to build out an ecosystem of tasks and things that ChatGPT is able to do. None of these things have to do with other people.

Marques Brownlee

Right.

David

And you cannot get rid of the iPhone, you can't get rid of the phone without replacing the messaging ecosystem and the ability to talk to other people, work with other people in Slack in messages. Most of the things that we do on our phones are connect with other people digitally, whether it's social media, whether it's texting. OpenAI does not have that. So yes, you could probably make a bot that you talk to that is anthropomorphized that you develop a relationship with that you just sort of have conversations with. Sure. But like replacing the iPhone is insane. And I still don't know what they expect their phone to be because if it's a phone, it's just gonna be an Android phone. And like, sure, maybe it's optimized for ChatGPT in some way. And the reason they're doing that is because they want you to keep using the ChatGPT subscription until you die. But it's not gonna replace the core fundamental features of what makes texting texting and what makes Slack slack. Like they're never gonna get a critical mass to stop using the messages app.

Marques Brownlee

Yeah, insane. What I do see is the people on the bleeding edge, the tech bros as we call them, trying to turn these AI chatbots into useful tools and to have them do tasks for them or to be useful to them or whatever. And there are existing. I was just pulling it up because I think Johnny used one of these Applaud like a little note taking campaign which is essentially just like a little

Andrew

jam helped every once in a while.

Marques Brownlee

Yeah, which is like, it is just a little useful thing which it can listen to the meetings that you're in and summarize them for you or it can listen to the notes that you talk to it and it can bring back that stuff later proactively when it thinks you want to hear that Stuff. Again, again, Marques was not paid to

Adam Molina

say that that time. But we have been paid to say that, correct?

Marques Brownlee

Good disclosure. Good disclosure. But it's an example of a thing that does not connect to your iPhone but uses AI to try to be useful.

David

Yeah.

Marques Brownlee

And the more big ambitions you have with this thing to be useful, the more you start to overlap with oh well, my phone can do that already or oh well, I think it's just easier to do that on my phone instead of like also getting a second device to do that. And that's where you're up against like, well, what do we make this thing do? Does it live alongside your iPhone like the AI pin tried to. Is it just like a thing I have in my pocket sometimes I take it with me everywhere. Is it wearable? So it's on me all the time. This one, the first descriptions of it kind of sounded like a HomePod, like it was plugged into the wall, but it's clearly not. So it's like a battery powered thing. So you put it in your pocket with you.

David

I don't think it. No, no, no. You're not supposed to take it out of your home.

Marques Brownlee

It's out of your. It's in your home all the time. It never leaves.

Andrew

It's a Bluetooth speaker. So yeah, it's like a wifi.

Marques Brownlee

Yeah. So it is, it is interesting to see what their attempt of it will be and then of course they will shower this with former Apple designers and, and lots of, well, people who maybe

Andrew

they didn't hire an Apple designer from HomePod because they maybe have a bunch of old casings from Sam Altman's stupid I ORB thing that he tried to sell time ago. They're still for what?

Adam Molina

Prove you're a human bro and get rich off.

Andrew

That's the original reason I thought Sam Albin was a loser, but.

Adam Molina

But this human rich off crypto Bing. You're.

David

You're done for. UBI baby, tell.

Andrew

Tell me you couldn't see this orb thing being a little speaker with a camera sensor that would like talk to you. Yeah, like this. This is almost what I imagined it being.

David

It looks like a membrane.

Andrew

It would be so funny if this is what winds up being the hardware for. Or something very similar to it.

Ellis Rovich

Say what you want, but I would be so happy to have a BB8 just follow me around all day chatting with me.

Andrew

Little BB8 guy from Star Wars.

David

I think so.

Marques Brownlee

Cute.

David

So apparently they're working on five hardware devices right now, which is very interesting.

Marques Brownlee

I imagine one of them is planning to leave the house.

David

Probably headphones, maybe.

Marques Brownlee

That could make sense. Yeah, yeah. We also. There's also like Apple is going to be trying to work on things that compete too, because they're also constantly worried about what will beat the iPhone or be next. So like AirPods with cameras, like random AI stuff. They're always working on stuff.

Ellis Rovich

Stuff.

David

Yeah. So, yeah, we'll see. It's funny that I don't think Anthropic is going to make hardware anytime soon. I think they're just cool doing the B2B thing.

Ellis Rovich

Aren't they releasing like a keyboard?

David

No, the Work Louder keyboard is with OpenAI.

Ellis Rovich

That was with OpenAI.

Adam Molina

Yeah.

Andrew

Wait, wait, just. If I can rant on that. It's literally something that's been available forever.

Ellis Rovich

It is.

Andrew

What is it?

Ellis Rovich

It's a macro pad.

Andrew

Work Louder just makes a little macro pad. We've talked about workloudr here. They're an interesting company that makes a lot of stuff that goes on pre order and almost never gets actually sold old. It's just a macro pad they've had forever and it says OpenAI on it. They've done it for Figma already. It's. I'm pretty sure it's the exact same thing.

David

Yeah, it's for codecs.

Andrew

Oh.

Marques Brownlee

Oh, okay.

Andrew

It's just like whatever that can do, you can do with any amount of buttons that can plug into a USB port.

Adam Molina

The action button on my phone does that. I have a shortcut set. So when you press the action button, it does speech to text and then gives that to clock.

Ellis Rovich

Claude.

Adam Molina

And it's just my. My Siri is now Claude button.

Andrew

Yeah, a Steam deck could do whatever that is. It's. It's nothing.

David

Well, in a move that nobody saw coming except for everybody, Meta wants to make glasses that record all the time. They're rumored to be working on this always on pair of AI glasses that are constantly recording audio and snapping photos that you'll be able to add. Ask Meta AI about later.

Ellis Rovich

The absolute cojones on this company.

Andrew

Dude, it's crazy. We gave them credit last week for like working on the drilling out LED lights and then this week they said, hold my beer, I want to make this even worse. They're like they're working on a new pair of glasses that essentially would be recording audio and snapping photos every couple seconds constantly.

David

So you can talk about it later.

Andrew

So you can ask Meta AI questions about it later. Like memory assistance. I guess we've talked about this with other things. The. What was the bubble memory pickle thing. They claim that it wouldn't be quote, stored on. Stored by meta and users wouldn't be able to access it. It would just be. They would be pulling the metadata from it and then you would be able to prompt into it.

David

Sure guys.

Andrew

But they're also not sure if they're going to use it to train their AI models, which definitely means they're 100% going to find a way that they can train from their AI models on. We already saw them do that.

Marques Brownlee

Is this not exactly what we were talking about with the AirPods with cameras?

Andrew

I wasn't here for that.

David

I don't, I don't think the AirPods are. With cameras are gonna be recording all the time, but.

Marques Brownlee

Well, they. Okay, so recording. I think that's a weird misnomer in the title. It's not recording, but it is. So the, here's what the rumor was for the AirPods. It was there was going to be cameras in the stems of the airpods and there are low resolution cameras that are never recording video, but are always recording some low resolution map of what which is like kind of still video.

David

Was that the rumor?

Marques Brownlee

But it would be. Yeah. So it wouldn't be. It's not a high enough like quality camera to like record videos with it, but it would be able to sense your environment. The kinds of.

Ellis Rovich

Yeah, it's more like a sensor.

Marques Brownlee

Are you outside or inside? It's kind of like a low res video sensor in a way that the AI can then use that to identify, oh, you're looking at a sign or oh, you're outside right now or inside right now. And so it's constantly running but it's not recording. And so this article, I'm reading it now, it's saying like, oh, there's this super sensing feature which is again, it's not recording photos and videos, but it is always running so that it has the context of what's going on when you're trying to ask it stuff, when you're trying to engage with it, recording

Andrew

audio all the time and snapping photos every couple seconds.

Marques Brownlee

So this says in one proposed system, which is this is all rumored, raw footage and audio would not be stored by meta or made available to the user. Instead the metadata from the audio and images would be extracted and that would be uploaded to a server for AI to query.

Andrew

But that's still being recorded with the camera on the thing, which is not a low resolution camera and still recording audio all of the time.

Marques Brownlee

Yeah, but that never gets accessed by even the device itself, I guess it's just the metadata that gets access.

Andrew

The metadata gets sent or pulled. But yeah, like, what does that mean?

David

Extracting metadata from metadata and audio.

Andrew

And it needs to be stored at some point to extract that information. Yeah, yeah, but it can't all be stored, so I guess it's only uploading the metadata. I don't know.

Adam Molina

You can't ask questions, questions about metadata. There's no, like, it'll have, like, you'll have your location, it'll have the lens, it'll have the battery life when, when the thing got taken.

David

I mean, it can make tags, I guess, if you looked at a sign. But this is Meadow, like, why are we pretending that they're not gonna do the worst possible thing with this?

Adam Molina

Sooner or later, this data, someone's going to discover you can buy people's memories from a data broker because they're obviously going to be selling this for ad purposes and it's. The whole thing's going to explode. Yeah, it's the same like, I don't know if you guys remember, this is like five or six years ago, the New York Times did this experiment where they started buying people in New York's commutes from data brokers because Google Maps was like tracking their location, you know, and keep it like had a record of like, oh, their commute starts at this place and they go, this is where they network. And you could buy people's commutes by name from data brokers. And sooner or later you're going to be able to buy people's meta glasses, memories or whatever. Like. Like what?

Andrew

Even in a sense, like before that level, like, if they, they're potentially training AI with this, then they're obviously going to be taking enough of a audio or picture sample to be able to train it. And the last time we saw them train with AI is a bunch of people doing private things. Training AI is a bunch of people in a room looking at all of the photos and recordings, labeling them for AI to understand lately.

David

Yeah, it's, you know, I don't know. Obviously all of this is rumored. The Apple AirPods one. I would think that they would only do it if you asked it specifically. Like, what am I looking at? What is that?

Andrew

If that. I wasn't here for that, but AirPods one, if that's what they're doing, you should be just as skeptical with them.

David

Sure, yeah. Yes.

Andrew

If you have something constantly recording, you should be skeptical of it.

David

I don't know, maybe don't put cameras on your Ears. I don't think we need cameras on your ears.

Andrew

I don't think we need cameras.

David

I think when you're. The thing that makes the smartphone so good is that you are very intentional. Intentional about everything you're doing. And it's very obvious to other people the things that you're doing most of the time. Even though, like using a smartphone to take a photo is less in your face as using a camera, because it's very obvious you're just taking a picture and you can sneakily snap a photo with your smartphone, holding it up to do a thing people can see. Staring at your screen, people can see. This is why, like the Meta glasses with the, with the screen inside is like a bad idea because nobody knows that you're just surfing Instagram. You know, I think it's important that the people around you have an awareness of what you're doing with the technology in front of you. And the more we try to hide this stuff, the worse it is for everybody's privacy.

Andrew

So, yeah, they specifically said in their statement that we read last week that, like, they need to be able for people to trust their products because, you know, this is a product that people are supposed to be wearing all the time. And the more people don't trust it, the more it's going to get banned from different places. And therefore, like they're going to shoot themselves in the foot with their own product.

David

Yeah.

Andrew

And at this point point, I don't see why these products don't get banned from bathrooms, changing facilities, gyms, pools, like F1 paddocks. Like, they're going to get banned from so many things that are part of your everyday life, that these aren't going to be able to be things that you can have on your person as an everyday accessory. And they're going to shoot themselves in the foot with it.

David

Yeah, that's what's very hard about this, is that the banning of these things is going to get more and more difficult the more smart glasses company start to exist. Right. Like we have, we had Meta first, but now we have all of these smaller companies that are making smart glasses. Google's going to start making them, Apple's going to make them. It's going to be very difficult for people to actually know what smart glasses and what's not smart glasses.

Andrew

I have to assume by the end of next year glasses with cameras in them will be banned from public restrooms. You don't think so? From lobbying, dude.

Adam Molina

No one is ever going to take care of any of these tech companies.

Marques Brownlee

Man.

David

Yeah.

Andrew

I think that might be a creepy enough thing that I could see it. Well, I mean, it's going to happen whether it's a government ban or just most private companies are allowed to ban it from their own public, their own spaces.

Ellis Rovich

But the problem too, is that some of these, like the meta ones in particular, have prescription lenses in them. So they are the people's glasses.

Andrew

But that's, at that point, that's what shoots meta in the foot is because it doesn't matter if it's prescription glasses or not. If you're a facility that doesn't want recording in it like that, you ban it from it. And then if you either don't wear your glasses or you don't get to come in, or you have to have another pair of prescription glasses, which is annoying.

David

Which is really annoying.

Adam Molina

There's, there's. Dude, I, I've straight up gotten ads on Facebook, like, like recommended Facebook marketplace listings for crystal meth. Like, there's no, there is nothing that can be done about, about this. You know, Like, I, I really believe we're at a point where unless we have, like, some sort of radical change in the power structure of this country, they're just gonna do whatever they want, you know?

David

Yeah.

Adam Molina

And I can make all the jokes I want about, you know, benders stealing or whatever, but, you know, that's, that's how I feel.

David

Yeah.

Ellis Rovich

Yeah.

Marques Brownlee

I did look up the, the Apple story from a couple weeks ago, which, again, this is a rumored thing, so we don't know if it's coming out or not, but it was infrared cameras.

David

Infrared, yeah.

Marques Brownlee

Okay, so it's cameras, and people will say it's cameras, but there you go.

Ellis Rovich

Yep, it's still a camera. It's a camera. It's a camera. There are people that still put tape over there, like webcams, you know, like, yeah, anytime there's a camera.

Andrew

Computers that come with a physical. Yeah, a lot of switch.

Ellis Rovich

So, like, I think anytime you put a camera in your thing, people are going to look at it with a skeptical eye.

Andrew

I mean, if you want to, if you want to believe all the companies, you should even just be skeptical of it. Because if someone can somehow get into any of the things, like most people do it for webcams, more. Because if someone gets into your network where you're worried people are seeing what's on your webcam, there's a thousand reasons to be, but guys skeptical of it.

David

What is a photo anyway? It doesn't matter.

Andrew

The other thing I saw in this, which Is still a rumor is. I guess they pulled up a statement from Meadow a while ago that kind of breathes some information into what we talked about before. But they claim that the reason they don't want it lighting up during AI instances versus recording instances is then if it's lighting up all of the time, then people won't actually know when people are recording actively versus the AI recording it and then become too accustomed to it that they won't actually know which just one, two different color record. Two different color lights. Solved. Meta. I'll take my check. How long did that take your second. But. But yeah, it's like that's one of those things that like on the absolute baseline of it is like, that makes sense. And then you think about it for five seconds and you're like, that's just all for your benefit and not for the benefit of any of your users. So stupid. But. So I can only assume always super sensing will not activate the recording light because it would just be on all the time.

David

And thus concludes our depressing Meta coverage.

Andrew

Well, wait, one more thing. Well, well, but wait, there's more. There is potent. They are also potentially thinking if they would bring this into existing products already. So, like the current Meta glasses just getting. If you assume this could be a software update. Right. It's got all the stuff it needs for it already.

Adam Molina

The cojones.

David

Well, that concludes our depressing Medicare.

Adam Molina

It's really hot in this room right now. You know, maybe that is raising our tempers a little bit. Maybe we'd feel more sympathetic.

Andrew

This is a pretty stupid one. What did Marquez. What was. How'd you. How'd you post this in Slack when it happened? What? Oh, yeah. It was like, could Meta be more tone deaf? And then just posted an article that just said says Meta wants to make glasses that are recording all the time. Yeah.

Marques Brownlee

This is not new, by the way. Meta wanted to put like that thing in your house. What was that called? That little screen that had a camera on it.

David

Portal.

Marques Brownlee

The portal. Facebook portal. They wanted to put that in your house years ago. They've always wanted to put camera on.

Andrew

I remember.

Adam Molina

Oh, yeah.

Marques Brownlee

They were not allergic to cameras.

Andrew

Early into me working for you, and you were like, we just got an ad opportunity and it's the most money we've ever been offered. And he sent it to me and I was like, we can't do this. He's like, yeah, I know. We can't do this. It's Facebook camera in your house. We obviously can't do this. He's just like, just crazy.

David

Yeah.

Marques Brownlee

So they've had the cojones for many years.

Ellis Rovich

Listen, I.

Andrew

Everyone wants a camera in your house.

Ellis Rovich

I love the meta glasses as a GoPro. The moment that you're using them for anything else, just take them off.

Andrew

They're a way cooler GoPro.

Ellis Rovich

It's like if you're snowboarding, sure. I want to see your first person, like, people POV video.

Andrew

That's super cool.

Ellis Rovich

If you're surfing, if you're doing anything, stream sports. But like, if you're just walking on your, like, daily commute to the train station, just wear regular glasses. It's fine.

David

Yeah, These are not meta glasses, by the way.

Ellis Rovich

Allegedly.

Marques Brownlee

Sometimes they're shaped like meta glasses because meta glasses are shaped like regular glasses. And you kind of have to like, do a double check, let people know.

Adam Molina

I got got by the Oakleys on the train the other day. I was like, why are those Oakleys so thick?

Marques Brownlee

The metal ones?

Adam Molina

Yeah.

Andrew

And I was like.

Adam Molina

Cause also, like, I don't know know if I hadn't seen this before, but the Oakley's I saw only had a camera on one side.

Andrew

No, they usually only.

Adam Molina

And they had a stud on the other side. Like there was something is that I

David

was on the other side.

Marques Brownlee

The Oakley ones have it in the center from what I remember.

Andrew

No, no, the Oakley running ones, the normal Oakley ones are just like the ravens. Yeah, the, the first Oakley ones that came out are more like a pair of glasses that just look crazy and kind of cool at the same time. I hate that I kind of like them. But you're talking about the like, Oakley running, like pit viper esque from last year.

Ellis Rovich

It wasn't.

Adam Molina

It wasn't those. It was a slightly more normal pair of.

Andrew

If you saw someone with those just on the subway, I. I don't know if I would be worried about the camera or what. This person's about to like, launch out of the subway on some record run that he's going on in.

David

Yeah, parkour record run. And his time is going to be like 14 minutes a mile. I guarantee you it's Everybody in Brooklyn, they wear their like shiny rainbow glasses and their bandit running $100 shorts and they run like 14 minute miles.

Ellis Rovich

Listen, 14 minute miles is better than no minute miles.

Marques Brownlee

Don't gate, keep running.

Ellis Rovich

Don't gate, keep running.

Marques Brownlee

You're allowed to be bad at running and run and pay attention.

Adam Molina

I run 14 mile, 40 minute miles in, you know, a heavy cotton T shirt in my 20.

Marques Brownlee

Everyone.

David

That's what I'm saying if Ellis can do it in that, you don't need those ugly glasses.

Marques Brownlee

Yeah, but it's part of getting yourself invested. You can buy fancy golf clubs and shoot 150, and no one's mad at you for getting the clubs. You're out there on the course with

David

the rest of the US 150 is

Adam Molina

really good though, right? That's high.

Marques Brownlee

It's quite bad. Maybe you don't want high. Maybe unsustainably bad, you don't want high. But it's okay. You're on the course.

Andrew

I don't shame anyone running or. What does.

David

What does hit 150 mean?

Marques Brownlee

Oh, God. In golf, you play 18 holes. The object of the game is to have as few strokes as possible. So there's par three, par fours and par fives. So like a normal golf course, this is like a par 72 for the whole 18 holes.

David

Does that mean you hit. You hit the ball 72 times to

Marques Brownlee

get all 18 holes in for even par? Exactly.

David

150 sounds horrible.

Marques Brownlee

So 150 is. It's pretty bad.

Ellis Rovich

So best case scenario, you shoot at 18. What, like 18 holes?

Marques Brownlee

Oh, a hole in one on every hole.

David

Oh, yeah.

Ellis Rovich

That would be like the best score you could possibly.

Marques Brownlee

Allegedly. I shouldn't even say.

David

8.3 strokes.

Andrew

I say it.

Marques Brownlee

No, I'm not gonna say.

Andrew

I feel like I know what you're

David

going to call out someone for being bad at golf.

Marques Brownlee

No, it's a. It's a totally unrelated political statement. We won't even say it on the vibe.

Andrew

Is speaking of political statements, trivia.

Adam Molina

You know what else is unsustainably bad?

David

The state of the world.

Ellis Rovich

All right, so we spoke about the Meta glasses. Always recording. Just now for the last half hour of my life. But it immediately made me think of a different AI camera that was constantly recording that Google released in 2017. Oh, yeah, what was it called?

Marques Brownlee

Oh, yeah.

David

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I remember this.

Marques Brownlee

Yeah.

Andrew

It's funny. Super sensing would be really great for. Were you paying attention?

Marques Brownlee

You remember how super sensing.

David

Marques, you remember how nobody was mad about the Google camera that was always recording in your house?

Adam Molina

No one used it.

Marques Brownlee

Yeah. Wait, why was nobody mad about that? Maybe they were because we were.

David

We were not.

Marques Brownlee

It was also just more like a dorky thing that no one would buy. But the Meta glasses already everywhere and

David

it was like, cute. You're supposed to use it with your

Marques Brownlee

kids and it's only in your house so you can't creep on people because it's only in your house.

David

Oh, that's a big thing. It was your call to like it's

Marques Brownlee

you getting creeped on instead of creeping

David

on other people by Google instead of creeping on other people. That's true. That's a big difference.

Andrew

Made me realize I don't know what the product is because I thought it was something else.

David

But I also think that since then we have just been cursed with knowledge. We were willfully ignorant.

Marques Brownlee

We understand. Long period of time, many more motivations now.

David

Yeah, yeah. Money.

Marques Brownlee

Yeah. Okay, well, answers will be at the end, like usual.

Ellis Rovich

We'll be right back.

David

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Adam Molina

So I thought it would be fun

David

if we made $15 bills, but it

Adam Molina

turns out that's very illegal.

Andrew

So there goes my big idea for the commercial.

David

Give it a try@mintmobile.com switch upfront payment

Marques Brownlee

of $45 for three months, $90 for six months or $180 for a 12 month plan required $15 per month equivalent to taxes and fees. Extra initial plan term only greater than 50 gigabytes. Me slow when network is busy.

David

See Terms.

Andrew

I'm Neil Apitel, Editor in chief of the Verge and Decoder is my show about big ideas and other problems. Today we've got the first of a

Marques Brownlee

two part series on the systems that run the world.

Andrew

I'm talking with Bart Butler, the CTO of Proton, a company that makes private and secure productivity software.

Marques Brownlee

It's impossible to create a backdoor that

Ellis Rovich

can only be used by the good guys.

David

No company is going to go to jail for you.

Andrew

Often the response is, well, if you

Marques Brownlee

change the legal foundation here, we will leave.

Andrew

Yeah, how real is that?

David

It's dead serious. With all due respect to Swiss authorities and everybody else, I think it would be suicidal to continue down this path.

Andrew

Subscribe wherever you get your podcast.

Adam Molina

This series is presented by Comcast.

David

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Marques Brownlee

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David

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Marques Brownlee

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David

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Marques Brownlee

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Marques Brownlee

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David

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Marques Brownlee

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David

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Marques Brownlee

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Ellis Rovich

Welcome back. So for this last segment, we are going to do a game. I am going to shout out one of my favorite podcasts that I've been listening to recently. It's after the Whistle, which is a soccer podcast all about the World Cup. And they have a segment at the end called Bits and Bobs where they talk about random little things that have something to do with soccer. Maybe not. Maybe it does. I thought it would be fun for us to do it. And then as I was explaining it to everyone, they were like, so show and tell. And I was like, yeah, Yeah, I guess.

Andrew

Yeah.

Ellis Rovich

Okay, so. So show and tell. We're gonna do show and tell. Who wants to go first?

David

I'm bringing in my trade secrets.

Andrew

I was gonna say I brought in secret Apple park parts.

Marques Brownlee

Here's the blueprints for the next generation icon.

David

So this is just stuff we've been, like, enjoying recently.

Ellis Rovich

Enjoying things that you're excited about.

Marques Brownlee

Wait, can I read what you described it as? And I can justify what I brought?

Ellis Rovich

Perfect. Yeah.

Andrew

Marquez has a backpack that he won't let any of us see what's inside.

Ellis Rovich

We have no idea what's in the bag. What's in the bag.

Marques Brownlee

And also, David, you said something about you brought three things. I have, like, three things. And I also have three things. Oh. Sufficient.

Andrew

This is a pretty long episode already, guys.

David

I'll be quick.

Adam Molina

I'm gonna go first.

Marques Brownlee

They're all related.

Adam Molina

Okay, you go.

Andrew

Oh, my God.

Adam Molina

My thing is my birthday present from Adam and Alex. It is a VJ Edgecomb rookie card.

Marques Brownlee

Whoa.

Adam Molina

And also, he is a rookie still, right? A VJ Edgecomb rookie card. And then eight more identical BJ Edgecombe rookie cards. And I keep them on my desk, all 10 of them.

David

That's cute. That's nice.

Andrew

Is he a sixer? Alex bought something from. From. That's a sixer.

Adam Molina

That's dedication.

Marques Brownlee

That's true dedication.

Andrew

He's fired.

Ellis Rovich

Listen. Game recognized game. BJ Edgecomb is a baller.

Andrew

Has Alex ever heard of Joel Embiid?

David

Yeah. So none of my things are going to actually one of them users or listeners might actually want to use. Okay, I'm going to do a couple. So, first one. Fairly recently, I decided that I was going to model my old. My old new Nintendo 3ds XL. So I did significant upgrades to it. They're funny enough, have been a lot of hardware advancements in the last 20 years.

Ellis Rovich

As long as you don't need to buy Ram.

David

I didn't have to buy RAM for this. I did buy a Battery. They sell batteries now that have 3x. The battery capacity of the original one, which is a 3XL crazy. For the 3DSX, the new 3DS XL.

Ellis Rovich

It was for Tom.

David

I have this beautiful Galaxy color. I remember I sold my original ds. It was the Ocarina of Time edition for it, which I regret because now that's worth a lot of money. But I home brewed it, so now you can play practically anything on it. Pretty awesome that you legally purchased. Myself on the Nintendo store that doesn't exist anymore. And yeah, I've just been. I've been playing not aggravated. I've been playing Legend of Zelda. I don't know. It's the one after a Link. It's the 3Ds one that came out after a link to the past.

Andrew

Isn't it in. Can you just pull it out of the thing and read it?

David

No, it's on the side. It's software. Yeah.

Andrew

What's the link between worlds?

David

A link between worlds. I think it's Fire emblem is the cartridge.

Marques Brownlee

I.

David

Anyway, I've just been like, you know, on the little subway. That's been fun. So, yeah, that's been fun. Other things for the subway.

Ellis Rovich

That's a good one. I think I gave Ellis or you my. My 3ds or my DS. I forget and I. I kind of regret it.

David

I think I took it. Yeah, it was me. Okay. Other fun thing that you guys might have fun with. I bought this recently. It only cost $50. So. This is called the XTE Ink. It is an E reader that is super, super thin. Doesn't even have a backlight. There's a lot of problems with it, but. But it is very small. This is the X4. They also make the X3. What's cool with it is that it. They give you these magsafe rings with it and you can stick the magsafe ring on the back. And it is perfectly sized for the back of your phone. So if you have like an iPhone air or an iPhone Pro Max, the XT, the 3 is fits on the regular Pro. The 4 fits on the Pro Max. Yeah, it's pretty awesome. It just sticks to the back of your phone. And so then when you're on the subway, you can either play a link between worlds or you can just go on and flip your phone over and suddenly you have an E reader.

Andrew

Can't you read on the front part of your phone?

David

Shut up, Andrew. All right, last thing, really quickly. Piece of software that I've been enjoying a lot recently it is called Typora and it's writing, it's writing software. And you might find, you might think that's boring. You might think that's boring because it is. Because it kind of is. But it's sort of just like very simplistic writing software that it has like, it has support for Markdown and it's got all these different headings and paragraphs and it's like, it's. It's got a lot more features than Google Docs and it lets you organize things better. But it's so simplistic and it's so just like there is nothing else that I found that when I'm writing with it, I'm just flying across the zone.

Marques Brownlee

I love those.

David

When I'm on Google Docs, I get so distracted so easily. The fact that I'm in a browser with tabs is like horrible. There's way too many things on Google Docs that don't work well. Like image insertion is freaking horrible on Google Docs.

Andrew

Still has that created AI as the first. Like, like clicking insert an image and then generating images.

Ellis Rovich

Generating the image or even just downloading images that you guys drop in the docs is the worst in Google Docs.

David

Yeah. And honestly just not having other tabs available to me. So I don't get distracted at all and just, just thinking about what I'm writing. I really liked this app. It's. They have a two week free trial and then it's like $15 once if you want to buy it outright. And to me that's very much worth it. So no subscription, which is really nice. Nice Typora for Mac. I really like it. So those are my three things.

Andrew

Cool. Nice.

Ellis Rovich

Andrew.

Andrew

I have one pretty simple one, but I'm in the middle of a podcast right now that I'm really enjoying.

Ellis Rovich

We are currently recording it. So yes.

Andrew

Claire found this podcast on Reddit. It's from like 2019, but it's about an actor who got hired for a role in Band of Brothers and then Tom Hanks fired him after he already got hired because he saw his audition tape and said he has dead eyes. And so the entire.

Ellis Rovich

Don't you want that for a band of brothers?

Andrew

That's what everyone. A lot of people say that it's like awful. World War II or. No, really good miniseries.

David

Yes.

Andrew

About World War II. But lots of people in World War II are generally. But the whole thing is just him talking to other people in the movie industry that he knows that might know Tom Hanks and trying to figure out what this comment about Dead Eyes means to the point where he's. Because it's 20 years ago at this point. That came out in like 2000.

Ellis Rovich

If the last episode doesn't end with him asking Tom Hanks to his face, I he.

Andrew

The. I'm on episode 8 out of 10. So I'm getting really close to seeing if that's the. And I'm only assuming if people say this was a good podcast recommending that. I'm hoping something along the lines he's tried to get in touch with the con. The. The. This. What's it called? Why can't I think of the screening director or the casting director. Thank you. But she didn't want to talk to him and now. But a lot of the people he knows know Tom Hanks, so I'm hoping Tom Hanks gets in here somewhere so you can ask him about. It's like four lines in one episode, but it happens to be episode five of Band of Brothers. Tom Hanks directs, even though he's in it already.

Ellis Rovich

Can I ask a question? What is this podcast called?

Andrew

It's called Dead Eyes.

Ellis Rovich

Oh, okay.

Andrew

Say that Connor Radcliffe, I believe his name is. He's been in like a bunch of small things here and there. He's pretty. Pretty. He has like Jon Hamm on it. There's a lot of very impressive people on it.

Ellis Rovich

You mean Jonathan Hamon.

Andrew

Yes.

Ellis Rovich

Huge bad buddy fan.

Andrew

Yes. Huge. But yeah, I'm enjoying it. I love these podcasts that are hyper focused on something that's so trivial, but if you can make 10 episodes out of it, it's like, like, well, now I'm just invested. So stuff like that I really enjoy. Yeah. Shout out to reply. I'll shout out. It's. This is like serial for something that doesn't matter at all or only matters to one person and it really affected their life 20 years ago. And that's fascinating. So I'm excited to finish it. But if you need a quick podcast.

Marques Brownlee

Yeah.

Ellis Rovich

After you finish this one.

Andrew

After. After Waveform and you subscribe and listen to our whole backlog and let it play while you're sleeping and then you can listen to Dead Eyes once you've

Marques Brownlee

gotten through the whole stuff season.

Ellis Rovich

What are yours?

Marques Brownlee

I'm so excited. Mine.

Ellis Rovich

So what's in the bag?

Marques Brownlee

Yeah, I brought my bag. I brought my bag here. So my. At the beginning of the new year, I decided I wanted to have a New Year's resolution to learn a new skill. And I decided that that skill would be Juggling So. Oh, beginning of the year, I bought a set of three juggling balls.

Ellis Rovich

How the. How has none of us known this?

David

How did I never hear about this

Andrew

juggling at work before?

Marques Brownlee

Is that what spawned. So every day for the past six months, I've been juggling at the end of every day. And what I can report now is that I've gotten pretty good at juggling these exact three items or items that are the same size and shape. So, like, three small oranges I can

Ellis Rovich

juggle with size things.

Marques Brownlee

I will demo it for you.

Andrew

I would like to see.

Adam Molina

Wait.

Andrew

How the goal for this should be by next year. At any point when I'm at my desk, I can just throw something to your desk and you start.

David

No way.

Andrew

Oh, that was.

David

I now feel like I know nothing about it.

Andrew

That was pretty good.

David

What else are you hiding from us?

Andrew

1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10.

Adam Molina

Dude.

David

Dude.

Marques Brownlee

Are you kidding me?

David

Good for audio listeners. Honestly, for audio listeners.

Marques Brownlee

Why?

Andrew

Can I try?

Marques Brownlee

Yeah, I just thought it would be so Rufus can juggle. I was like, it looks like fun to be able to juggle, but I also kind of like a Rubik's cube. I wanted to be able to try something that didn't have instructions. So, like, a Rubik's cube. It would be fun to learn how to solve a Rubik's cube, but it's basically just learning and memorizing a set of instructions. I wanted it to be a little bit creative. Like, there's different. You see different types of juggling and, like, different patterns and stuff like that. Yeah, I think those still require instructions, but I've just been. No instructions. Just, like, throwing them up in the air and figuring it out for the past couple months.

Andrew

So, Adam, you probably know the. The brand. The brand.

Ellis Rovich

What is the brand?

Andrew

Duncan?

Ellis Rovich

Yep. They make yo yos really good yo yos.

Andrew

Duncan, yo yos. When we were in, like, fourth grade, were.

Ellis Rovich

What do you mean? I still have one.

Andrew

You still have a Duncan yo yo?

Adam Molina

You guys are into yo yos?

David

I'm hella into yo yos.

Adam Molina

You guys are into yo yos too?

David

I remember so good at yo yo dude.

Adam Molina

I could do a bunch of the trick.

David

I could do the do that too, baby.

Adam Molina

How did this.

Andrew

You want me to wait?

David

We should start a yo yo core.

Adam Molina

I didn't know you guys were any yo yos.

Ellis Rovich

Marquez is still juggling, by the way.

Andrew

This might be the oldest thing I've ever said, but when I was younger, I remember going to the five and dime and looking for a Duncan. Yo, yo. In my town.

Adam Molina

What's a. What's a five?

Andrew

It's like a general store.

David

I've never heard of five. And you probably might not know stuff right there. Dollar Tree here.

Marques Brownlee

Yeah, but five and dime is older.

Andrew

Five and dimes, were you.

Marques Brownlee

Yeah, like that.

Andrew

Wait, were they.

David

Were they in raspberry PI?

Ellis Rovich

I would like to remind everyone that this was Marques's first of three things.

Marques Brownlee

Oh, no, sorry. These are all three things.

Andrew

Oh,

Marques Brownlee

it was a pun.

Ellis Rovich

I was like, what else have you been hiding from? Yeah, sorry. That was it.

Marques Brownlee

That was the three things.

David

Juggle sacks. Okay, so what is your thing, Adam?

Ellis Rovich

My. Thank you for remembering my name.

David

I couldn't remember.

Andrew

I was.

Marques Brownlee

I blacked out.

Ellis Rovich

It's only been a decade.

Marques Brownlee

It's 150 degrees. It is 150.

David

I'm cooking in here, dude. My brain is on fire.

Ellis Rovich

Mine is just an audiobook that actually Andrew put me onto called Dungeon Crawler Carl.

Andrew

Oh.

Ellis Rovich

And I had. I had mentioned to him a couple weeks ago how I've been seeing this book everywhere and I don't really know what it's about. Everyone's talking about it. Dungeon Crawl Carl. It's like a whole series. And he was like. He explained it to me in like two sentences in a way that made me instantly intrigued. And he was like, oh, yeah. And the audiobook was pretty good, but I stopped listening to it because blah,

Marques Brownlee

blah, blah, blah, blah.

Ellis Rovich

So I was like, okay, maybe I'll just start listening to the audiobook again. And the audiobook is more than pretty good. It is amazing. It is really good.

Andrew

I just sometimes, unlike when my commute is too long, I find myself zoned out and then I've missed however many minutes, and then it's so hard to find where I miss.

David

But it's what it is to be an adult.

Marques Brownlee

Yeah.

Andrew

The reason it's everyone's talking about is because they just announced a Netflix version.

Marques Brownlee

Oh.

Ellis Rovich

Maybe that's what it is. Okay. Yeah, but it's really good. Great sound effect effects, great direction. The main actor, I forget his name. I'm terrible. But he acted his ass off. Like, it was so good. Yeah.

David

Where do you listen to it? What. What app deals?

Ellis Rovich

Unfortunately, it is exclusive to audible. So if you're. If you're on Spotify, if you're on anything else, you have to, like, pretty much get.

David

I wish Pocket Cast had ebooks.

Ellis Rovich

I know.

Andrew

There's also, like, eight books.

Ellis Rovich

Yeah. There's audiobooks out, I believe. I don't Know how many actual books there are? I'm not there yet.

David

I'm on Dungeon Crawler.

Ellis Rovich

Dungeon Crawler. Carl. Yeah, Andrew, you want to give the synopsis? Because you're the one that sold it to me.

David

Sounds terrible.

Andrew

I mean, it's like. It's exactly what it sounds like. It's a Dungeon Crawler game in book format. It's like a guy asked. You enter a dungeon with random.

David

And like, that doesn't sound good at all.

Andrew

Bosses and things. I know it sounds really silly, but it's pretty well done in the way they describe everything. Like, they describe, like, he's walking and question mark pops up and he clicks question mark to, like, find, like, instructions. The way they do it all is really.

Ellis Rovich

I've read the description so many times, and I was just like, this sounds dumb.

David

And then listening to a D and

Ellis Rovich

D game, basically, yeah, it's like listening to a D and D game because I read it and I was like, yeah, no, not for me. And then when Andrew mentioned that he had been listening to it and he was like, oh, he really liked it. I was like, oh, let me.

David

Actually, to be fair, D and D is like all imagination and just imagining things in your head. So I guess an audiobook would be good fodder.

Andrew

And it's not just like, you're not just listening to a book of a guy. Guy playing. It's like the world has turned into this and the only people surviving have to go into, like, these dungeon gates that open up and then you start dungeon crawling in the sense of, like, there's levels and bosses.

Ellis Rovich

Jeff Hayes. That's the actor. Jeff Hayes, incredible voice actor. Kills it.

David

Okay, cool.

Ellis Rovich

So that was mine.

David

All right, I like this. I think we should be recommending things more often.

Marques Brownlee

We used to do that as an opening segment.

Andrew

Segment. Yeah, we did.

Marques Brownlee

It was like a piece of content or a thing you want.

Andrew

Oh, yeah.

David

One thing you've done that way long ago.

Ellis Rovich

A while ago in the before times. Why are you guys getting your boards ready? What do you think is coming up?

Marques Brownlee

I have a feeling we might want to answer some trivia questions now.

David

Give a pen.

Andrew

He's not wrong.

David

How do the pens keep getting relocated?

Adam Molina

Guys, What Japanese Minimalist. Minimalist. Minimal. Minimalist home goods brand. Did Pete Lau want OnePlus to be the tech industry equivalent of Hit It

Marques Brownlee

Japanese?

David

I feel like this is more. What is the company? The, like, rom, the Android ROM that became Xiaomi? It feels like more like a. Like Xiaomi would be more of this. You know, why Well, I can't give it away. Give it away. Give it away. Get it away now. But I'll give it away later.

Marques Brownlee

I'm interested.

Adam Molina

Yeah, no, I. OnePlus never actually became anything. Not even a weird quote for 2014.

David

I agree.

Adam Molina

All right. Turn it around. Oh, Marquez, you put the country. Is that the Japanese flag?

Marques Brownlee

Yep.

Adam Molina

It's not a bad artist rendering. I mean, it's not a difficult flag to draw.

David

Yeah, but it's red.

Marques Brownlee

Give me some credit.

David

He only has a black marker.

Adam Molina

Yeah, it's.

Marques Brownlee

Oh, I couldn't.

Adam Molina

It's monochrome.

Marques Brownlee

Damn it.

Andrew

You had the red marker, too. That's. That's.

Adam Molina

Cut that. Cut that. All right, Andrew, you put. That's incorrect. But David, you put Muji, and Muji is the correct. You've never heard of.

David

You've never heard of Muji? I forgot you guys live in New Jersey.

Adam Molina

In New Jersey.

David

I don't know.

Adam Molina

Muji rules.

Marques Brownlee

We have that is it.

Andrew

This looks just like unicorn.

David

Yeah, kind of.

Adam Molina

No, but they. They sell less clothes than More. Other.

David

More like my.

Adam Molina

My slippers that I.

Andrew

It's like world market uni.

David

Yeah, but only Japan.

Adam Molina

No. And they make it everything. They don't sell any non Muji stuff.

Ellis Rovich

There is not a Muji in New Jersey.

David

Oh, that's what I said.

Andrew

Literally never.

Adam Molina

The slippers I have.

David

There's one in Williamsburg Here.

Adam Molina

Muji rules.

David

Muji rules.

Adam Molina

I have a lot of their mixing bowls, and I own some Muji slippers.

David

Their stuff is really cheap and very good.

Adam Molina

And their pens. Yeah, their stationary is really good.

David

Yeah.

Ellis Rovich

All right, so for the question of this trivia season, are you guys ready?

Andrew

These two are. I have no idea.

Marques Brownlee

I actually don't.

Andrew

I thought I knew what it was.

Ellis Rovich

In 2017, Google released an AI camera. What was it called?

Adam Molina

I don't remember this.

Marques Brownlee

I don't remember.

David

I know name, though, because you're not a king.

Marques Brownlee

I remember what it looked like. I remember it sitting in the middle of your house and swiveling around and looking at you, but I don't remember the name Swivel. It moved.

Ellis Rovich

It did not swivel.

Marques Brownlee

Or is this.

Andrew

No, sorry.

Marques Brownlee

I'm saying two things. That's a different thing.

Ellis Rovich

But you are supposed to, like, put it on your mantle and just kind

Andrew

of leave it there. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Then I'm definitely wrong.

Adam Molina

Whatever happened to mantles? You never hear about people in their mantles.

Marques Brownlee

I have a good man.

David

We don't have homes.

Marques Brownlee

I got a great.

Adam Molina

You got a fireplace.

Marques Brownlee

Oh, I Got a mantle.

Adam Molina

Damn. All right. Proven wrong once again.

Marques Brownlee

Yeah, I like Juggles.

Adam Molina

He's got a mantle. You've got a mantle.

Andrew

I have a mantle. I have house.

Adam Molina

Yeah.

Andrew

I have a fireplace. That's crazy. We barely use it. Cuz I'm afraid it's going to set the whole house. But it looks sick and probably will split Lane's head open.

Adam Molina

One fun fact. The house I grew up in had a fireplace but no mantle. Anyway, we need to do the score because I'm hungry and we have a

David

game show and we have to show our Flip.

Ellis Rovich

Him and Reed. What do you got? Who wants to go first?

Marques Brownlee

That's what it was called.

Adam Molina

Yeah.

David

Okay.

Marques Brownlee

Think Marques, think. I wrote clicks, but that was.

Ellis Rovich

That was not it. That's the communicator.

David

Yeah.

Ellis Rovich

Andrew, what'd you rate?

Andrew

I wrote solely. I think that's a good guess.

Ellis Rovich

That's not a good guess.

Andrew

The camera that's on all the time,

Ellis Rovich

but it was on a Pixel 4 XL.

Andrew

Yeah. And it sucked.

Ellis Rovich

That's true.

David

There's a long video.

Ellis Rovich

Tell us what it is, David.

David

Okay. Google clips.

Ellis Rovich

Correct.

Marques Brownlee

That's what it was. I was halfway there.

David

I stay winning.

Ellis Rovich

With that correct answer, the score is going into Trivia. David with 35, Andrew with 28 and Marques with 32. Wow.

Marques Brownlee

I prefer to stay at 32.

David

Adam, how old are you?

Adam Molina

I'm unknown. None of these scores are going to matter in the next 90 minutes.

Marques Brownlee

We'll see.

David

We call this the preseason.

Marques Brownlee

Wow. It's very sports of you.

David

I know.

Andrew

It's very sports of David because he's still getting it wrong. Because it would be like regular season and we'd be going to playoffs.

Marques Brownlee

Perfect. Perfectly wrong. Anyway, thanks for watching, thank you for listening. And of course, if you made it this far into the episode, comment your trade secrets. Comment your trade secrets down below.

Adam Molina

Don't do that.

Marques Brownlee

Bring them. No comment. The most important, top secret trade secrets down below in Minecraft. We will for sure not use them, but we'll think about maybe hiring you if you leave good ones. Anyway, catch you guys next week in our bonus episode which will be trivia extravaganza. See you soon. Peace.

Andrew

Waveform is produced by Adam Molina and Ellis Rovich and we're partnered with Voxmeto podcast network. The air conditioner is on and we're also music by Vane Silk.

Adam Molina

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Marques Brownlee

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Marques Brownlee

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Marques Brownlee

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David

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Marques Brownlee

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